Quality and chinese are oxymorons eh!!! The nigerians should have come to ISRO. Btw, what is the cheeni space agency known as ? We have NASA/ISRO/ESA/JAXA. Those maroons should have a name right ??Acharya wrote:http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holn ... 131149.htm
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China fears India-Japan space alliance
By Peter J Brown
India and Japan's agreement in October to expand cooperation between the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), in the field of disaster management, has the raised the ire of a China fearful that the US is masterminding a powerful space alliance between its allies in the region.
All of Asia wants to see improved regional disaster management capabilities, but the growing ties between ISRO and JAXA come just as India and Japan are devising an action plan to advance security cooperation.
"China is concerned about the general effort of the US during the Bush Administration to form a Japanese-Indian alliance to contain.
China," said Dr Gregory Kulacki, senior analyst and China project manager at the Massachusetts-based Union of Concerned Scientists.
"They are more concerned about what this implies about US intentions rather than what it implies about the intentions of the Japanese or the Indians, particularly as it concerns space."
Brian Weeden, a technical consultant at the Colorado-based Secure World Foundation, hesitates to agree that India and Japan's efforts to pursue closer ties in space are part of a deliberate US master plan for the region, but he does not see the US taking any steps to discourage them.
"The US sees India as primarily a counterbalance to China in the region, but at the same time it does not see India as a full ally in the same sense as Britain or Japan. I do not think the US looks unfavorably on this relationship, but I am certain it will be examining it very closely and if the US does have concerns, they will be quietly expressed to the Japanese," said Weeden.
Whereas Japan benefits greatly from the steady deployment in the Pacific Ocean of US AEGIS ballistic missile defense (BMD) technology - it will soon be aboard all four of Japan's Kongo-class destroyers - this sea-based BMD system will probably not appear soon on any of India's warships, for example.
Weedon also points to the most recent 'Red Flag' exercise at Nellis Air force Base in Nevada. "The Russian-built Indian fighters participating had their radars in test mode so as not to give away their full capabilities to the Americans. Likewise, the US didn't let the F-22 participate for the same reasons."
The agreement is a concern for China, as it would be for any nation when their traditional regional adversaries talk about cooperation, adds Weedon. "Most countries still see the national security angle of space as a unilateral effort and are unlikely to collaborate in that area. They will, however collaborate in scientific or civilian areas."
There is considerable turmoil in Japan concerning the future of JAXA and how much money the Japanese government should be spending on it. The situation is made more complicated by Japan's recently enacted Space Basic Law, which for the first time permits Japan to consider deployment of national security space assets, which the Japanese had denied themselves until now.
"The government of Japan, particularly the Ministry of Defense, is still sorting this out," said Aerospace consultant Lance Gatling, head of Tokyo-based Gatling Associates, which closely monitors JAXA and the Japanese space program.
Japan has been using its weather satellites to provide free weather data to countries throughout Asia for many years without any hint of controversy, but this is quite different from deploying a new generation of surveillance satellites to monitor disasters.
Virtually all existing satellite-based multinational disaster management initiatives such as the "International Charter, Space and Major Disasters" depend upon the ability of the signatories to engage in the rapid tasking of their respective surveillance satellites. In other words, quickly altering the flight patterns of the surveillance satellites in question so they zoom right over a disaster zone is essential to the success of the mission at hand.
"This could be seen by some as a sensitive undertaking with obvious dual use possibilities which Japan will attempt to handle with great care. And that degree of sensitivity clearly permeates anything that ISRO and JAXA have been given the green light to develop in this instance, even though JAXA has no national security mission," said Gatling.
When, in early November, the Japanese press revealed that Japan has begun to explore the possible future launch of an early warning satellite which can detect the launch of enemy ballistic missiles, according to a draft plan obtained by The Yomiuri Shimbun, the joint declaration was not even mentioned.
Among other things, this draft plan promotes the use of rockets and satellites for defense purposes and endorses the need to examine the feasibility of deploying a new satellite which can perform BMD-oriented security and crisis management or disaster monitoring roles simultaneously.
The draft plan is scheduled for a final review in late November, and while it may not neatly address whatever ISRO and JAXA have elected to pursue, Beijing will be hard pressed to dismiss what could easily become a convenient addendum to the Joint Declaration.
India, on the other hand, simply wants to increase satellite surveillance of all Chinese military activities, particularly along the Chinese border with India.
On November 1, for example, the Times of India reported that during the most recent Indian Army commanders' conference, "one of the main agenda items" included a discussion of the need to dig tunnels in forward areas including along the Chinese border with "fooling enemy satellites from gauging the exact troop positions and their strength in forward areas" identified as one of the key objectives.
"China has resorted to tunneling on a large-scale along the LAC [Line of Actual Control] especially in the Tibetan Autonomous Region," one senior officer at the conference told the Times.
Proponents of increased Japanese government budgetary support look to exploit every opportunity to stress the commercial and strategic importance of the Japanese space program, and in this case, China's manned spaceflight program - not tunnels - serves an important purpose.
"The rapid advances in space by China - and India - clearly caught the attention of the Japanese who saw themselves as the leader in space in the region a decade ago," said Gatling.
Dr Joan Johnson-Freese, chair of the Department of National Security Studies at the US Naval War College, does not believe the Japan-India space relationship is picking up steam. "The consensus-driven decision making process used in Japan means that pretty much everything moves at a glacial pace," said Johnson-Freese.
She prefers to take the language in the Joint Declaration at face value.
"Disaster management efforts in the Pacific Rim region have been under discussion for a long time, and this is part of the culmination of those talks. It is one of the few areas where everyone in the region agrees that concerted efforts are required," said Johnson-Freese, adding that she has not heard of any serious concerns from China over Japan-India working together on disaster management.
Kulacki also recalls the tone and spirit of the proceedings of the International Lunar Exploration Working Group (ILEWG) conference in Beijing in 2006, where the Group issued a declaration on cooperation called the ILEWG Beijing Declaration.
"All sides seemed cordial, well-acquainted and anxious to pursue joint projects. I do not sense any tension among the space professionals of these three countries, who understand and are anxious to reap the benefits of joint efforts," said Kulacki.
Johnson-Freese views things a bit differently, and labels the three parties as "cautiously prudent".
"They will pursue joint projects when it is win-win," said Johnson-Freese.
Here she adds weight, albeit indirectly, to the argument that India and Japan are very much on the same page, and probably agree that a merger of their space activities gradually over time may offers a distinct strategic edge.
Johnson-Freese and Kulacki also clearly disagree over China's leadership role in the Asian space race.
"China is not anxious to be seen as a leader and does not see itself as a leader. China feels it is far behind most advanced spacefaring nations," said Kulacki.
"They are also focused on their own objectives and their own needs. While they would welcome the opportunity to be a competitive commercial space player, especially in the international launch services market where they have a strong advantage, they are focused on longstanding goals first set back in the mid-1980s and revised only marginally since then.”
"China very much wants to be seen as both the leader of space efforts in Asia, and for developing nations. They are using their manned program to reap all the prestige awards it renders - which are considerable, if only in perceptions created - including that it is beating the US," said Johnson-Freese.
“By virtue of their success in manned space - and the worldwide attention that it brings them - there is certainly the perception that China is the regional technology leader. While that is a function more of political will than technical capability, perception very quickly becomes the reality from which people base opinions and actions.”
Interestingly, news of Japan's draft plan involving the possible launch of an early warning satellite coincided with the arrival in Tokyo of Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov. He warned Japan and the rest of Asia about the dangers of the rampant missile technology proliferation now underway in the region and an emerging "confrontational atmosphere" stemming from such things as Japan's AEGIS BMD deployment.
Of course, Lavrov said nothing about Russia's important role in support of South Korea's entry into the Asian space race or about how Russia has been a major backer of the Indian aerospace sector. In fact, the Russian space agency is actively engaged in ISRO's Chandrayaan-2 project, supplying ISRO with its lunar lander and jointly developing a lunar rover.
China's recent announcement that it would provide Pakistan with a new communications satellite early in the next decade - adding yet another space asset to the fast-growing Asian "dual use" roster - no doubt provides India with further justification for pursuing closer ties in space with Japan.
China, at the same time, must not enjoy the news that numerous NASA scientists are apparently eager and poised to joint the ranks of ISRO, a timely shift in highly specialized talent that came to light in the days immediately following the successful launch of India's new moon probe, Chandrayaan-1.
"I doubt China is the only factor, but it is one factor in [any ongoing India-Japan joint space activity]. Other factors could be desires to increase regional relations and influence. We are seeing more and more cooperation in space, sometimes along traditional relationships like US and Europe, and sometimes along nontraditional ones like Japan and India," said Weedon.
The success of the International Space Station program, and the fact that countries are looking for new ways to cope with the huge costs of operating in space during this steep global economic downturn, are making international cooperation a more attractive and more acceptable option, he said.
By Peter J Brown
India and Japan's agreement in October to expand cooperation between the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), in the field of disaster management, has the raised the ire of a China fearful that the US is masterminding a powerful space alliance between its allies in the region.
All of Asia wants to see improved regional disaster management capabilities, but the growing ties between ISRO and JAXA come just as India and Japan are devising an action plan to advance security cooperation.
"China is concerned about the general effort of the US during the Bush Administration to form a Japanese-Indian alliance to contain.
China," said Dr Gregory Kulacki, senior analyst and China project manager at the Massachusetts-based Union of Concerned Scientists.
"They are more concerned about what this implies about US intentions rather than what it implies about the intentions of the Japanese or the Indians, particularly as it concerns space."
Brian Weeden, a technical consultant at the Colorado-based Secure World Foundation, hesitates to agree that India and Japan's efforts to pursue closer ties in space are part of a deliberate US master plan for the region, but he does not see the US taking any steps to discourage them.
"The US sees India as primarily a counterbalance to China in the region, but at the same time it does not see India as a full ally in the same sense as Britain or Japan. I do not think the US looks unfavorably on this relationship, but I am certain it will be examining it very closely and if the US does have concerns, they will be quietly expressed to the Japanese," said Weeden.
Whereas Japan benefits greatly from the steady deployment in the Pacific Ocean of US AEGIS ballistic missile defense (BMD) technology - it will soon be aboard all four of Japan's Kongo-class destroyers - this sea-based BMD system will probably not appear soon on any of India's warships, for example.
Weedon also points to the most recent 'Red Flag' exercise at Nellis Air force Base in Nevada. "The Russian-built Indian fighters participating had their radars in test mode so as not to give away their full capabilities to the Americans. Likewise, the US didn't let the F-22 participate for the same reasons."
The agreement is a concern for China, as it would be for any nation when their traditional regional adversaries talk about cooperation, adds Weedon. "Most countries still see the national security angle of space as a unilateral effort and are unlikely to collaborate in that area. They will, however collaborate in scientific or civilian areas."
There is considerable turmoil in Japan concerning the future of JAXA and how much money the Japanese government should be spending on it. The situation is made more complicated by Japan's recently enacted Space Basic Law, which for the first time permits Japan to consider deployment of national security space assets, which the Japanese had denied themselves until now.
"The government of Japan, particularly the Ministry of Defense, is still sorting this out," said Aerospace consultant Lance Gatling, head of Tokyo-based Gatling Associates, which closely monitors JAXA and the Japanese space program.
Japan has been using its weather satellites to provide free weather data to countries throughout Asia for many years without any hint of controversy, but this is quite different from deploying a new generation of surveillance satellites to monitor disasters.
Virtually all existing satellite-based multinational disaster management initiatives such as the "International Charter, Space and Major Disasters" depend upon the ability of the signatories to engage in the rapid tasking of their respective surveillance satellites. In other words, quickly altering the flight patterns of the surveillance satellites in question so they zoom right over a disaster zone is essential to the success of the mission at hand.
"This could be seen by some as a sensitive undertaking with obvious dual use possibilities which Japan will attempt to handle with great care. And that degree of sensitivity clearly permeates anything that ISRO and JAXA have been given the green light to develop in this instance, even though JAXA has no national security mission," said Gatling.
When, in early November, the Japanese press revealed that Japan has begun to explore the possible future launch of an early warning satellite which can detect the launch of enemy ballistic missiles, according to a draft plan obtained by The Yomiuri Shimbun, the joint declaration was not even mentioned.
Among other things, this draft plan promotes the use of rockets and satellites for defense purposes and endorses the need to examine the feasibility of deploying a new satellite which can perform BMD-oriented security and crisis management or disaster monitoring roles simultaneously.
The draft plan is scheduled for a final review in late November, and while it may not neatly address whatever ISRO and JAXA have elected to pursue, Beijing will be hard pressed to dismiss what could easily become a convenient addendum to the Joint Declaration.
India, on the other hand, simply wants to increase satellite surveillance of all Chinese military activities, particularly along the Chinese border with India.
On November 1, for example, the Times of India reported that during the most recent Indian Army commanders' conference, "one of the main agenda items" included a discussion of the need to dig tunnels in forward areas including along the Chinese border with "fooling enemy satellites from gauging the exact troop positions and their strength in forward areas" identified as one of the key objectives.
"China has resorted to tunneling on a large-scale along the LAC [Line of Actual Control] especially in the Tibetan Autonomous Region," one senior officer at the conference told the Times.
Proponents of increased Japanese government budgetary support look to exploit every opportunity to stress the commercial and strategic importance of the Japanese space program, and in this case, China's manned spaceflight program - not tunnels - serves an important purpose.
"The rapid advances in space by China - and India - clearly caught the attention of the Japanese who saw themselves as the leader in space in the region a decade ago," said Gatling.
Dr Joan Johnson-Freese, chair of the Department of National Security Studies at the US Naval War College, does not believe the Japan-India space relationship is picking up steam. "The consensus-driven decision making process used in Japan means that pretty much everything moves at a glacial pace," said Johnson-Freese.
She prefers to take the language in the Joint Declaration at face value.
"Disaster management efforts in the Pacific Rim region have been under discussion for a long time, and this is part of the culmination of those talks. It is one of the few areas where everyone in the region agrees that concerted efforts are required," said Johnson-Freese, adding that she has not heard of any serious concerns from China over Japan-India working together on disaster management.
Kulacki also recalls the tone and spirit of the proceedings of the International Lunar Exploration Working Group (ILEWG) conference in Beijing in 2006, where the Group issued a declaration on cooperation called the ILEWG Beijing Declaration.
"All sides seemed cordial, well-acquainted and anxious to pursue joint projects. I do not sense any tension among the space professionals of these three countries, who understand and are anxious to reap the benefits of joint efforts," said Kulacki.
Johnson-Freese views things a bit differently, and labels the three parties as "cautiously prudent".
"They will pursue joint projects when it is win-win," said Johnson-Freese.
Here she adds weight, albeit indirectly, to the argument that India and Japan are very much on the same page, and probably agree that a merger of their space activities gradually over time may offers a distinct strategic edge.
Johnson-Freese and Kulacki also clearly disagree over China's leadership role in the Asian space race.
"China is not anxious to be seen as a leader and does not see itself as a leader. China feels it is far behind most advanced spacefaring nations," said Kulacki.
"They are also focused on their own objectives and their own needs. While they would welcome the opportunity to be a competitive commercial space player, especially in the international launch services market where they have a strong advantage, they are focused on longstanding goals first set back in the mid-1980s and revised only marginally since then.”
"China very much wants to be seen as both the leader of space efforts in Asia, and for developing nations. They are using their manned program to reap all the prestige awards it renders - which are considerable, if only in perceptions created - including that it is beating the US," said Johnson-Freese.
“By virtue of their success in manned space - and the worldwide attention that it brings them - there is certainly the perception that China is the regional technology leader. While that is a function more of political will than technical capability, perception very quickly becomes the reality from which people base opinions and actions.”
Interestingly, news of Japan's draft plan involving the possible launch of an early warning satellite coincided with the arrival in Tokyo of Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov. He warned Japan and the rest of Asia about the dangers of the rampant missile technology proliferation now underway in the region and an emerging "confrontational atmosphere" stemming from such things as Japan's AEGIS BMD deployment.
Of course, Lavrov said nothing about Russia's important role in support of South Korea's entry into the Asian space race or about how Russia has been a major backer of the Indian aerospace sector. In fact, the Russian space agency is actively engaged in ISRO's Chandrayaan-2 project, supplying ISRO with its lunar lander and jointly developing a lunar rover.
China's recent announcement that it would provide Pakistan with a new communications satellite early in the next decade - adding yet another space asset to the fast-growing Asian "dual use" roster - no doubt provides India with further justification for pursuing closer ties in space with Japan.
China, at the same time, must not enjoy the news that numerous NASA scientists are apparently eager and poised to joint the ranks of ISRO, a timely shift in highly specialized talent that came to light in the days immediately following the successful launch of India's new moon probe, Chandrayaan-1.
"I doubt China is the only factor, but it is one factor in [any ongoing India-Japan joint space activity]. Other factors could be desires to increase regional relations and influence. We are seeing more and more cooperation in space, sometimes along traditional relationships like US and Europe, and sometimes along nontraditional ones like Japan and India," said Weedon.
The success of the International Space Station program, and the fact that countries are looking for new ways to cope with the huge costs of operating in space during this steep global economic downturn, are making international cooperation a more attractive and more acceptable option, he said.
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Nigerian satellite battery dead, not lost in space
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 6:08 GMT
http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE4AC02K.html
By Felix Onuah
ABUJA (Reuters) - Nigeria's government said on Wednesday that its $340 million communications satellite was not lost in space, as reported by the local media, but that it was simply suffering from a flat battery.
The Nigerian Communication Satellite, or NIGCOMSAT-1, blasted off from a launch pad in China in May 2007 to great fanfare, with Nigeria hoping it would offer advanced telecoms, broadcasting and broadband multimedia services for 15 years.
Minister of state for Science and Technology Alhassan Zaku said engineers at ground stations in Abuja and China had noticed the satellite's solar-powered battery was not recharging and feared it could smash into other satellites if left unrepaired.
"After looking at the options we decided that the best thing to do was to park it, like you park a car," Zaku said.
"If it wasn't parked and it lost all its power there would be no energy to even move it ... and it would be like a loose cannon and would keep rolling about and hit other satellites in the orbit," he told reporters.
Nigerian newspapers had reported NIGCOMSAT-1 was missing from orbit.
The satellite was supposed to make Africa's most populous nation a technological hub, saving broadband users and phone users hundreds of millions of dollars a year and enabling Internet access to remote rural villages.
Critics say the project, estimated to have cost the government 40 billion naira, has done little to improve communications, with Internet connections notoriously unreliable and among the most expensive in the region.
Zaku said the satellite was insured and that it would be replaced if it could not be repaired. He said customers had been assured that television, radio and Internet services affected by the problem would be re-routed.
Nigerian Internet users have already been battling with service problems after damage to the South Atlantic Terminal III (SAT-3) underwater cable, the main gateway to the country for international calls and Internet connections.
Nigeria's formerly state-owned telecoms firm Nitel said last month it had invited foreign firms to help it fix the cable.
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I wonder what would be the experience of Venezuelans and ofcourse the porkis with the third class chinki sats. Ironic ISRO just delivered its first satellite for EUTELSAT and the nigerians discover the quality of chinese sats. 
This is the second failure of this new generation chinese satellite. The first one SINOSAT-2 failed immediately after launch.
This is the second failure of this new generation chinese satellite. The first one SINOSAT-2 failed immediately after launch.Re: China Military Watch
http://www.thisdayonline.com/ncomments.php?id=127885
Just look at the comments from ordinary nigerians about china
Just look at the comments from ordinary nigerians about china
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Slightly of topic but a question for the gurus :
Don't you think that it is high time that GOI stops Indian IT companies from doing business in China and teaching the chinese the tricks and trades of the software industries.
Never know one of these days one of these guys writes the software codes for some highly critical military system that gets targeted towards India.
Don't you think that it is high time that GOI stops Indian IT companies from doing business in China and teaching the chinese the tricks and trades of the software industries.
Never know one of these days one of these guys writes the software codes for some highly critical military system that gets targeted towards India.
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- MADE IN CHINA - Proven in Space
China's Enemies Are All Around Part One
by Andrei Chang
Hong Kong (UPI) Nov 12, 2008
China's military preparedness and strategic deployment of weaponry take into consideration a whole range of potential enemies, an analysis of internal People's Liberation Army documents has revealed.
In order of importance -- that is, the likelihood of actual military engagement -- those enemies are Taiwan, the United States and Japan -- as potential defenders of Taiwan, India, Vietnam, Southeast Asia, Russia and the U.S.-led North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Chinese military journals consistently criticize the United States for seeking to isolate and contain China. The PLA's indignation and frustration over this perceived U.S. interference is a reflection of its ambition to become a global hegemon, or at least a regional one.
As evidence of U.S. hostility, the military journals cite Washington's sales of arms to Taiwan, its military alliance with Japan, its support of NATO's eastward expansion, the stationing of a permanent force in Afghanistan, the expansion of its nuclear arsenal and its influence in restricting European arms sales to China. The journals claim these U.S. actions all pose a direct or indirect threat to China's national security.
As for Japan, despite warmer political relations between the two countries in recent months, there are two prickly issues that will not be easily resolved. One is the territorial fight over the Diaoyutai Islands -- which Japan calls the Senkakus -- and the other is the dispute over the exact location of the border in the East China Sea, in the midst of rich oil and gas reserves that both sides claim.
For now the two sides are working together to develop these resources, but the lack of a legally defined border makes the situation unpredictable. Also, China remains highly wary of any Japanese steps to strengthen its military.
On the Indian front, mistrust between the two countries has become more heated. New Delhi is wary of China's increased deployment of ballistic missiles aimed at India, the activities of the Chinese navy in the Indian Ocean and China's intentions with regard to territorial disputes.
On the other hand, China is also keeping an eye on India's active development of its Flame III intermediate-range ballistic missile, the activities of the Indian navy in the South China Sea and India's constantly changing attitude with regard to border disputes.
Differences between China and Vietnam focus on disputed maritime territories. At the same time, China is watching closely Vietnam's rapprochement to India and the United States.
As for the members of the Association of South East Nations, they too have disputes with China over territories at sea. China thinks it eventually will recapture the Nansha Islands -- better known as the Spratlys -- located between Vietnam and the Philippines and claimed by both, as well as by China. The area is a rich fishing ground and may also contain oil and gas. There may one day be a struggle over ownership of these islands.
In the midst of these disputes, since the mid-1990s Chinese military strategists have focused on one key issue -- the economic, political and national security benefits of expanding the military and centralizing all forces to "solve the Taiwan issue." Their position was that after Taiwan was reunited with the mainland, there would be additional economic benefits and national security gains resulting from the military buildup.
One argument held that the South China Sea disputes could be easily resolved when the time was right. Toward that end, there was a need to develop major maritime combat platforms, including an aircraft carrier.
China's Enemies Are All Around Part One
by Andrei Chang
Hong Kong (UPI) Nov 12, 2008
China's military preparedness and strategic deployment of weaponry take into consideration a whole range of potential enemies, an analysis of internal People's Liberation Army documents has revealed.
In order of importance -- that is, the likelihood of actual military engagement -- those enemies are Taiwan, the United States and Japan -- as potential defenders of Taiwan, India, Vietnam, Southeast Asia, Russia and the U.S.-led North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Chinese military journals consistently criticize the United States for seeking to isolate and contain China. The PLA's indignation and frustration over this perceived U.S. interference is a reflection of its ambition to become a global hegemon, or at least a regional one.
As evidence of U.S. hostility, the military journals cite Washington's sales of arms to Taiwan, its military alliance with Japan, its support of NATO's eastward expansion, the stationing of a permanent force in Afghanistan, the expansion of its nuclear arsenal and its influence in restricting European arms sales to China. The journals claim these U.S. actions all pose a direct or indirect threat to China's national security.
As for Japan, despite warmer political relations between the two countries in recent months, there are two prickly issues that will not be easily resolved. One is the territorial fight over the Diaoyutai Islands -- which Japan calls the Senkakus -- and the other is the dispute over the exact location of the border in the East China Sea, in the midst of rich oil and gas reserves that both sides claim.
For now the two sides are working together to develop these resources, but the lack of a legally defined border makes the situation unpredictable. Also, China remains highly wary of any Japanese steps to strengthen its military.
On the Indian front, mistrust between the two countries has become more heated. New Delhi is wary of China's increased deployment of ballistic missiles aimed at India, the activities of the Chinese navy in the Indian Ocean and China's intentions with regard to territorial disputes.
On the other hand, China is also keeping an eye on India's active development of its Flame III intermediate-range ballistic missile, the activities of the Indian navy in the South China Sea and India's constantly changing attitude with regard to border disputes.
Differences between China and Vietnam focus on disputed maritime territories. At the same time, China is watching closely Vietnam's rapprochement to India and the United States.
As for the members of the Association of South East Nations, they too have disputes with China over territories at sea. China thinks it eventually will recapture the Nansha Islands -- better known as the Spratlys -- located between Vietnam and the Philippines and claimed by both, as well as by China. The area is a rich fishing ground and may also contain oil and gas. There may one day be a struggle over ownership of these islands.
In the midst of these disputes, since the mid-1990s Chinese military strategists have focused on one key issue -- the economic, political and national security benefits of expanding the military and centralizing all forces to "solve the Taiwan issue." Their position was that after Taiwan was reunited with the mainland, there would be additional economic benefits and national security gains resulting from the military buildup.
One argument held that the South China Sea disputes could be easily resolved when the time was right. Toward that end, there was a need to develop major maritime combat platforms, including an aircraft carrier.
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What sort of a name is "Union of concerned scientists"?Dr Gregory Kulacki, senior analyst and China project manager at the Massachusetts-based Union of Concerned Scientists.
Also, what happens to the Chini-Nig sat deal now that the sat has failed? Do the Chinis do a money back to the Nigerians(who must be fuming)?
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Chineese Next Gen UAV
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=MSCxF2WDiYk
And Comments from Graham Warwick of AWST senior editor in AWST's Blog on 16-10-2008.
This video is doing the rounds on the internet. It appears to show taxi tests of China's Chengdu Aircraft (CAC) Xianglong (Soar Dragon) high-altitude. long-endurance (HALE) UAV, a model of which was displayed at the Zuhai show in 2006.The UAV clearly resembles the Global Hawk in configuration, but the relatively small size of the engine (here seen without its full nacelle) has caused some comment. Data displayed at Zuhai showed the Xianglong to be 14.3m long, with a 25m span, a takeoff weight of 7,500kg with a payload of 650kg and a cruise altitude of 18km.
Forgive the 'foreign" units, but that makes the Xianglong substantially smaller than the Block 20 Global Hawk, which has a 39.9m span, 14,630kg takeoff weight and 1,360kg payload. No endurance was given for the Chinese UAV, but the stated range of 7,500km is much less than the Global Hawk's quoted 22,800km ferry range, But interestingly the Xianglong is faster - a cruise speed of 750km/h compared with Global Hawk's 650km/h.
I suspect that explains the smaller engine - a turbojet or low-bypass turbofan versus the high-bypass turbofan powering Global Hawk. That may be a reflection of China's engine technology, or a philosophy that favours dash speed over loiter endurance.
Bill Sweetman adds: Alternatively, since China has not previously had a requirement for a domestically built turbofan cleared for high-altitude operation, this is a pure jet for early flight demos. The G-Hawk team were lucky in that Allison (as it then was) had developed the AE 3007 for the Citation X.
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=MSCxF2WDiYk
And Comments from Graham Warwick of AWST senior editor in AWST's Blog on 16-10-2008.
This video is doing the rounds on the internet. It appears to show taxi tests of China's Chengdu Aircraft (CAC) Xianglong (Soar Dragon) high-altitude. long-endurance (HALE) UAV, a model of which was displayed at the Zuhai show in 2006.The UAV clearly resembles the Global Hawk in configuration, but the relatively small size of the engine (here seen without its full nacelle) has caused some comment. Data displayed at Zuhai showed the Xianglong to be 14.3m long, with a 25m span, a takeoff weight of 7,500kg with a payload of 650kg and a cruise altitude of 18km.
Forgive the 'foreign" units, but that makes the Xianglong substantially smaller than the Block 20 Global Hawk, which has a 39.9m span, 14,630kg takeoff weight and 1,360kg payload. No endurance was given for the Chinese UAV, but the stated range of 7,500km is much less than the Global Hawk's quoted 22,800km ferry range, But interestingly the Xianglong is faster - a cruise speed of 750km/h compared with Global Hawk's 650km/h.
I suspect that explains the smaller engine - a turbojet or low-bypass turbofan versus the high-bypass turbofan powering Global Hawk. That may be a reflection of China's engine technology, or a philosophy that favours dash speed over loiter endurance.
Bill Sweetman adds: Alternatively, since China has not previously had a requirement for a domestically built turbofan cleared for high-altitude operation, this is a pure jet for early flight demos. The G-Hawk team were lucky in that Allison (as it then was) had developed the AE 3007 for the Citation X.
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On the other hand, China is also keeping an eye on India's active development of its Flame III intermediate-range ballistic missile, the activities of the Indian navy in the South China Sea and India's constantly changing attitude with regard to border disputes.
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So china swindles nigerians of 40 billion nairas.Nayak wrote:Nigerian satellite battery dead, not lost in space
Thu 13 Nov 2008, 6:08 GMT
http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE4AC02K.html
Nigerian newspapers had reported NIGCOMSAT-1 was missing from orbit.
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Critics say the project, estimated to have cost the government 40 billion naira, has done little to improve communications, with Internet connections notoriously unreliable and among the most expensive in the region.
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Why do the chinese sats based on the failed DFH-4 bus weigh so much? The Nigcomsat only had 28 transponders while Venesat-1 has 26 but both weigh 5100 kg approx. ISRO's INSAT-4a carries 24 transponders but only weighs 3200 kg?
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008- ... 347379.htm
Chinese scientist calls for co-op between Asian space powers
http://www.chinaview.cn 2008-11-12 21:06:43 Print
BEIJING, Nov. 12 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese scientist on Wednesday called for moon probe program experts in China, India and Japan to step up cooperation to "deepen mankind's understanding of the moon."
Ouyang Ziyuan, chief scientist for China's moon exploration program, said the three countries shared goals on moon probe while each had its advantages.
Taking a full map of the moon's surface, detecting minerals and studying the space environment were the common goals, he said.
Each country had its unparalleled technological competitiveness, and he expected more cooperation and hoped to see more contributions made by the scientists in the three Asian countries.
Ouyang's comments came only hours after Chinese scientists revealed the country's first full map of the moon's surface, which was hailed as the most complete image of the moon surface yet published.
The picture was released more than a year after the launch of China's first lunar probe, Chang'e-1.
An official also announced on Wednesday that China would launch a second lunar probe, Chang'e-2, before 2012, as part of its three-stage moon mission.
The eventual goal is to bring lunar soil and stone samples back to earth for study in about 2017.
"Chang'e" is named after a legendary Chinese moon goddess.
In 1990, following the Soviet Union and the United States, Japan became the third country to orbit the moon after sending the Hiten spacecraft. India launched an unmanned lunar orbiter last month.
China publishes its first full map of the moon surface in Beijing, capital of China, Nov. 12, 2008, about a year after its first lunar probe -- Chang'e-1 -- was launched. (Xinhua/Li Xiaoguo)
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what happened?? Their stupid APSCO members don't want to cooperate on the moon venture? Maybe the taller than ocean and deeper than mountain friend can.
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Is that a coincidence that Chang'e sounds like how Chinese would say Chandra?!"Chang'e" is named after a legendary Chinese moon goddess.
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Why are the Chinese suddenly interested in cooperation with India on the Moon? Do they want to investigate the quality and sophistication of CY1? Have any of the instruments on the Chang'e 1 failed? Enquiring minds want to know!Acharya wrote:http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008- ... 347379.htm
Chinese scientist calls for co-op between Asian space powers
http://www.chinaview.cn 2008-11-12 21:06:43 Print
BEIJING, Nov. 12 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese scientist on Wednesday called for moon probe program experts in China, India and Japan to step up cooperation to "deepen mankind's understanding of the moon."
Ouyang Ziyuan, chief scientist for China's moon exploration program, said the three countries shared goals on moon probe while each had its advantages.
Taking a full map of the moon's surface, detecting minerals and studying the space environment were the common goals, he said.
Each country had its unparalleled technological competitiveness, and he expected more cooperation and hoped to see more contributions made by the scientists in the three Asian countries.
Ouyang's comments came only hours after Chinese scientists revealed the country's first full map of the moon's surface, which was hailed as the most complete image of the moon surface yet published.
The picture was released more than a year after the launch of China's first lunar probe, Chang'e-1.
An official also announced on Wednesday that China would launch a second lunar probe, Chang'e-2, before 2012, as part of its three-stage moon mission.
The eventual goal is to bring lunar soil and stone samples back to earth for study in about 2017.
"Chang'e" is named after a legendary Chinese moon goddess.
In 1990, following the Soviet Union and the United States, Japan became the third country to orbit the moon after sending the Hiten spacecraft. India launched an unmanned lunar orbiter last month.
China publishes its first full map of the moon surface in Beijing, capital of China, Nov. 12, 2008, about a year after its first lunar probe -- Chang'e-1 -- was launched. (Xinhua/Li Xiaoguo)
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It is best to keep these chaaphay-maars at bays length. Trust and confidence is something these mooks don't understand or comprehend. ISRO has worked it butt off to get to where it is, don't see any reason why we have to co-operate and let our IP get stolen by these thieves.
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What is so 'legendary' about the 'moon' goddess from chicom-land ? 
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This is from the above articlesum wrote: Also, what happens to the Chini-Nig sat deal now that the sat has failed? Do the Chinis do a money back to the Nigerians(who must be fuming)?
Zaku said the satellite was insured and that it would be replaced if it could not be repaired.
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If nigeria gets the money who will they approach for a replacement sat? I would guess russia would be the logical choice. IF GSLV-III was ready ISRO could have offered something like W2M or INSAt-4a with launch from sriharikota.
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China's Enemies Are All Around Part Two
by Andrei Chang Hong Kong (UPI) Nov 13, 2008
China is concerned about the resurgence of extreme nationalism within Russia, which could lead to territorial demands on China.
China is also constantly worried about NATO's eastward expansion. The existence of NATO forces in neighboring countries would undermine its border security.
Against this background of regional tensions, improved relations across the Taiwan Strait are not reason enough for the Chinese People's Liberation Army to relax its level of preparedness. All of the issues outlined above have been discussed frequently in numerous military and diplomatic documents over the past 10 years.
China's development and deployment of military equipment correspond to all the conflict scenarios it foresees. First, priority attention has been placed on the development of combat equipment related to the air force, navy and landing operations, all of which are directed at Taiwan.
Second, in response to possible intervention by U.S. forces, China has actively developed and deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles, intermediate-range ballistic missiles, anti-satellite weapons, space warfare capabilities, and ballistic-missile and attack submarines.
Third, to cope with front lines in Vietnam and India, China has developed mountain warfare armored vehicles and medium- and short-range ballistic missiles. An upgraded IRBM is now deployed in Yunnan province, which borders Vietnam.
Fourth, in the direction of Japan, the PLA has deployed DF-3A IRBMs in coastal Shandong province and reinforced the combat capabilities of its No. 19 Division based in that region.
Fifth, with an eye to Southeast Asia and India, a large submarine base has been established on Hainan Island and electronic surveillance stations set up on the Xisha Islands (also known as the Paracel Islands) in the South China Sea at China's southern tip.
Sixth, in response to the presence of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, China has sped up the deployment of HQ-9 long-range ground-to-air missiles in major metropolitan centers and strengthened its No. 6 Fighter Division in the Lanzhou Military Region of central China. In the direction of Russia, China is now actively developing and upgrading new main battle tanks and armored vehicles.
Given the need to cover all the scenarios described above, it is likely that China's military spending will continue to rise, with the 2009 military budget reflecting at least a 10-percent increase over this year.
Some equipment intended for combat operations against Taiwan will be replaced, and there will be some adjustments in the deployment of this equipment. The pressure to maintain a vigilant "military deterrence" against Taiwan is expected to continue.
It is worth noting, however, that with the warming of cross-strait relations and the balance of military power in the Taiwan Strait already tilted in China's favor, the PLA will likely focus its military buildup in other directions, particularly in the upgrading of long-range military projection capability.
Close attention should be paid to China's building of a new aircraft carrier fleet, its development and deployment of more ICBMs, SSBNs (ballistic missile submarines), new bombers and next-generation fighters. The Chinese military industry will also take this opportunity to put greater effort and expenditure into upgrading and expanding its research for the development of new weapons systems.
(Andrei Chang is editor in chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto.)
by Andrei Chang Hong Kong (UPI) Nov 13, 2008
China is concerned about the resurgence of extreme nationalism within Russia, which could lead to territorial demands on China.
China is also constantly worried about NATO's eastward expansion. The existence of NATO forces in neighboring countries would undermine its border security.
Against this background of regional tensions, improved relations across the Taiwan Strait are not reason enough for the Chinese People's Liberation Army to relax its level of preparedness. All of the issues outlined above have been discussed frequently in numerous military and diplomatic documents over the past 10 years.
China's development and deployment of military equipment correspond to all the conflict scenarios it foresees. First, priority attention has been placed on the development of combat equipment related to the air force, navy and landing operations, all of which are directed at Taiwan.
Second, in response to possible intervention by U.S. forces, China has actively developed and deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles, intermediate-range ballistic missiles, anti-satellite weapons, space warfare capabilities, and ballistic-missile and attack submarines.
Third, to cope with front lines in Vietnam and India, China has developed mountain warfare armored vehicles and medium- and short-range ballistic missiles. An upgraded IRBM is now deployed in Yunnan province, which borders Vietnam.
Fourth, in the direction of Japan, the PLA has deployed DF-3A IRBMs in coastal Shandong province and reinforced the combat capabilities of its No. 19 Division based in that region.
Fifth, with an eye to Southeast Asia and India, a large submarine base has been established on Hainan Island and electronic surveillance stations set up on the Xisha Islands (also known as the Paracel Islands) in the South China Sea at China's southern tip.
Sixth, in response to the presence of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, China has sped up the deployment of HQ-9 long-range ground-to-air missiles in major metropolitan centers and strengthened its No. 6 Fighter Division in the Lanzhou Military Region of central China. In the direction of Russia, China is now actively developing and upgrading new main battle tanks and armored vehicles.
Given the need to cover all the scenarios described above, it is likely that China's military spending will continue to rise, with the 2009 military budget reflecting at least a 10-percent increase over this year.
Some equipment intended for combat operations against Taiwan will be replaced, and there will be some adjustments in the deployment of this equipment. The pressure to maintain a vigilant "military deterrence" against Taiwan is expected to continue.
It is worth noting, however, that with the warming of cross-strait relations and the balance of military power in the Taiwan Strait already tilted in China's favor, the PLA will likely focus its military buildup in other directions, particularly in the upgrading of long-range military projection capability.
Close attention should be paid to China's building of a new aircraft carrier fleet, its development and deployment of more ICBMs, SSBNs (ballistic missile submarines), new bombers and next-generation fighters. The Chinese military industry will also take this opportunity to put greater effort and expenditure into upgrading and expanding its research for the development of new weapons systems.
(Andrei Chang is editor in chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto.)
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Chinese fishing boat captured of the coast of Somalia
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... EPHNG0.htm
Somali pirates early Friday captured a Chinese fishing boat and its multinational crew, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.
The Tianyu No. 8 was seized at about 2 a.m. Beijing time while fishing off the coast of Kenya, (wonder what they are fishing off the Kenyan coast? Seems a little far just to go fishing. Have they added Africa to the list of places that historically used to be part of China?) Xinhua said, citing an unidentified source with the Transport Ministry. The pirates ordered the crew to sail north toward the Somali coast, it said.
The boat's 24-member crew includes 15 Chinese, one Taiwanese, one Japanese, three Filipinos and four Vietnamese, Xinhua said. The Transport Ministry has ordered a response to be coordinated with the foreign and agriculture ministries, it said.
The Foreign Ministry said it had no immediate information about the report.
Pirate attacks aimed at collecting ransoms are common off Somalia, which has had no functioning government since 1991.
A NATO flotilla of seven vessels is patrolling the Gulf of Aden to help the U.S. 5th Fleet in anti-piracy patrols and to escort cargo vessels. The 5th Fleet said that it has repelled about two dozen pirate attacks since Aug 22.
China's navy is mainly intended for coastal defense and has little experience operating away from its home ports. What a slap in the face of PLAN, especially a few days after IN rescued those ships. I expect full protests at BW office in Beijing.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... EPHNG0.htm
Somali pirates early Friday captured a Chinese fishing boat and its multinational crew, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.
The Tianyu No. 8 was seized at about 2 a.m. Beijing time while fishing off the coast of Kenya, (wonder what they are fishing off the Kenyan coast? Seems a little far just to go fishing. Have they added Africa to the list of places that historically used to be part of China?) Xinhua said, citing an unidentified source with the Transport Ministry. The pirates ordered the crew to sail north toward the Somali coast, it said.
The boat's 24-member crew includes 15 Chinese, one Taiwanese, one Japanese, three Filipinos and four Vietnamese, Xinhua said. The Transport Ministry has ordered a response to be coordinated with the foreign and agriculture ministries, it said.
The Foreign Ministry said it had no immediate information about the report.
Pirate attacks aimed at collecting ransoms are common off Somalia, which has had no functioning government since 1991.
A NATO flotilla of seven vessels is patrolling the Gulf of Aden to help the U.S. 5th Fleet in anti-piracy patrols and to escort cargo vessels. The 5th Fleet said that it has repelled about two dozen pirate attacks since Aug 22.
China's navy is mainly intended for coastal defense and has little experience operating away from its home ports.
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Does anybody have any idea what mountain warfare vehicle Andrei Chinag is talking about.
How does Andrei get his information?
How does Andrei get his information?
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its amazing someone managed to swindle the Nigerians of all people. hats off to the chipanda.
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I don't think it was intentional. The people who will be sweating the most will be the venzuelans. The Simon Bolivar launched a few days ago is an almost exact copy of the NIGCOMSAT-1 based on the DFH-4 bus that has 100 % failure record. I am surprised these {edited} nations didn't just stick with russia.
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Reason: Edited: don't disparage other nations casually
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Flamebait.
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they have crawled back to older dfh-3 tech after failure of dfh-4 which was a massive face loss for beijing olympics broadcast. as usual they
tried to hide it until exposed by the industry. seems _all_ solar panels
failed to deploy...must have used cheap plastic shenzhen bucket hinges to cut corners lol
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 0406p2.xml
tried to hide it until exposed by the industry. seems _all_ solar panels
failed to deploy...must have used cheap plastic shenzhen bucket hinges to cut corners lol
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 0406p2.xml
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Heard that China has declassified 1962 war papers with india,can BR get a hand on it,there was speculation that this can strain relations between the countries
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prao wrote:Why are the Chinese suddenly interested in cooperation with India on the Moon? Do they want to investigate the quality and sophistication of CY1? Have any of the instruments on the Chang'e 1 failed? Enquiring minds want to know!Acharya wrote: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008- ... 347379.htm
In my opinion, there should be no Indian space co-operation with China. The Chinese will simply transfer Indian knowledge to Pak. India does not need Chinese help in space exploration.
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http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
well this is a real catch indeed..this video is revealing a lot about the very AMBITIOUS CHINESE SPACE PROG.....space gurus 2 kindly have a good look at this video..i think the chinese are following the mantra"if u cant make it just fake it"
well this is a real catch indeed..this video is revealing a lot about the very AMBITIOUS CHINESE SPACE PROG.....space gurus 2 kindly have a good look at this video..i think the chinese are following the mantra"if u cant make it just fake it"
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Third, to cope with front lines in Vietnam and India, China has developed mountain warfare armored vehicles and medium- and short-range ballistic missiles
Something that should grab your attention. In the Indo-China Border Mobility will be key.
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http://defense-technologynews.blogspot. ... on-of.html
Please also note that PRC has intiated licensed production of Mi-17 V5 at Lantian,China.
This will give quick deployment capacity to PRC in those border areas..if the need arises..so.
regards,
Please also note that PRC has intiated licensed production of Mi-17 V5 at Lantian,China.
This will give quick deployment capacity to PRC in those border areas..if the need arises..so.
regards,
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While we keep waiting forever for the 80 Mi-17s to arrive from Russia.Sontu wrote:Please also note that PRC has intiated licensed production of Mi-17 V5 at Lantian,China.
This will give quick deployment capacity to PRC in those border areas..if the need arises..so.
Fantastic, isn't it?
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I'm curious too. is he talking about the golf cartlike vehicles of the 155 light mech regiment ?Hari Sud wrote:Does anybody have any idea what mountain warfare vehicle Andrei Chinag is talking about.
How does Andrei get his information?
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Vivek..IIRC one exceptional case with this procurement is ...entire lot will be purchased off the shelf and no offset policy is imposed on this purchase (to speed up the delivery ?) and on top of this...as you said "we keep waiting forever for the 80 Mi-17s to arrive from Russia !"vivek_ahuja wrote:While we keep waiting forever for the 80 Mi-17s to arrive from Russia.Sontu wrote:Please also note that PRC has intiated licensed production of Mi-17 V5 at Lantian,China.
This will give quick deployment capacity to PRC in those border areas..if the need arises..so.
Fantastic, isn't it?
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Rahul,Rahul M wrote:I'm curious too. is he talking about the golf cartlike vehicles of the 155 light mech regiment ?Hari Sud wrote:Does anybody have any idea what mountain warfare vehicle Andrei Chinag is talking about.
How does Andrei get his information?
The article says "Mountain warfare armored vehicles". Perhaps he is referring to the wheeled APCs etc that are currently deployed in Tibet. I think any light APC or tank that is wheeled is inherently classified as "Mountain warfare capable". The idea being of course that they are more likely to survive without massive maintenance and repair than that their tracked counterparts. Whether that light nature means that they can survive against entrenched infantry at higher altitudes in today's day and age is of course something that remains to be seen. Also, it should be interesting to see the engine modifications made within these vehicles to allow operations at very high altitudes...
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vivek, the ones I'm referring to are six wheeled vehicles. the golf-cart term refers to the fact that the soldiers carried have no protection.
wheeled APCs are better in urban/semi-urban rapid deployment forces but in hilly terrain they face serious difficulties.
not quite you know. the wheeled ones have serious trouble getting around in mountainous environment AFAIK.The idea being of course that they are more likely to survive without massive maintenance and repair than that their tracked counterparts.
wheeled APCs are better in urban/semi-urban rapid deployment forces but in hilly terrain they face serious difficulties.
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Yes, I realize that. However, what I was saying was that the article perhaps was not talking about these vehicles. I quote, from the article:Rahul M wrote:vivek, the ones I'm referring to are six wheeled vehicles. the golf-cart term refers to the fact that the soldiers carried have no protection.
China has developed mountain warfare armored vehicles
Indeed they are better suited for urban environs. After all, they were designed originally for that role. But at the same time, there is a general trade-off in terms of maintenance and logistics required and mobility. Tracked vehicles are more mobile but will need a larger logistical train behind them to keep them up to speed. If you want fast and light operations and if the terrain is right (and that is a very big 'if'), you will want to use wheeled APCs in the hills. Fundamentally of course, there is yet to be a vehicle that fits both requirements.the wheeled ones have serious trouble getting around in mountainous environment AFAIK.
wheeled APCs are better in urban/semi-urban rapid deployment forces but in hilly terrain they face serious difficulties.
It was why Andrei's comments need to be taken in perspective and a grain of salt, IMO.
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Yes, I understand where you are coming from. frankly, the debate is not over yet !
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Not sure if Andre Chang is talking about this wheeled one offboarded from a Mi-17
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/hel ... 17_05large
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/hel ... 17_05large