Indian Missile Technology Discussion

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 15 Nov 2008 23:42

I am not sure the length of the canister matters that much even on a ship. You can always store the canister flat and then when time to launch comes, make it vertical and launch it. The canisters are not wide so a section of the deck can be dedicated as the raise and fire area. Think of a machine gun bullet belt like system under the deck, with the firing sequence, requiring the canister to be elevated to a vertical before launch.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 16 Nov 2008 05:16

India sets stage for laser- guided missile

The missile, Sudarshan, is the latest weapon system developed indigenously to occupy the niche of a precision delivery mechanism. It can neutralise any target in a 800-1,000 km range with a zero margin of error.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 16 Nov 2008 05:19

Shaurya only a variant of ballistic missile K-15

Anabhaya · Post by **Anabhaya** » 16 Nov 2008 07:16

Gerard wrote:India sets stage for laser- guided missile

Like we don't have enough confusion already.

Sudarshan was being developed by ADE and LASTEC

Is it a missile? or an LGB kit?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Nov 2008 07:44

per spies in recent drdo open house its a LGB kit. maybe they meant 8-10km which is
near about the max designation range of LDP pods.

Anabhaya · Post by **Anabhaya** » 16 Nov 2008 07:50

Point.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 16 Nov 2008 09:17

Singha wrote:per spies in recent drdo open house its a LGB kit. maybe they meant 8-10km which is
near about the max designation range of LDP pods.

I was thinking of the same. Looks like it has a laser seeker combined with a imager that employs image processing to keep the target locked after laser designator has done its job (i.e. target does not need to be illuminated for the whole time missile is in flight.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Nov 2008 11:06

Arun_S wrote:
Singha wrote:per spies in recent drdo open house its a LGB kit. maybe they meant 8-10km which is
near about the max designation range of LDP pods.
I was thinking of the same. Looks like it has a laser seeker combined with a imager that employs image processing to keep the target locked after laser designator has done its job (i.e. target does not need to be illuminated for the whole time missile is in flight.

This release from way back gives some clues

Press Information Bureau Government of India: ANTONY TO VISIT DRDO LABS IN BANGALORE
The major projects executed by ADE are Lakshya, Nishant UAV, LCA Simulator and Sudarshan Laser Guided Gun.

I think it might be a terminally guided munition for Bofors/155mm artillery like Krasnopol. Remember we bought a boatload of those for a boatload of money during the Kargil episode ?

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 16 Nov 2008 11:14

Picture of SUDARSHAN from July issue of DRDO Newsletter

Looks like a LGB

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 16 Nov 2008 11:17

Is it the whole LGB or just the Laser guidance set like griffin-3?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 16 Nov 2008 11:33

Sontu wrote:I didn't mean stealing..but said can be made imovable thru sabotage ..by field agents/sympathisers and their huge network.

The rail mobile BM systems are indistinguishable from other civilan rail coaches. the field agents would need to blow up each and every rail track all over the country to make them immovable which is impossible.

Sontu · Post by **Sontu** » 16 Nov 2008 12:03

Avinash R wrote:
Sontu wrote:I didn't mean stealing..but said can be made imovable thru sabotage ..by field agents/sympathisers and their huge network.
The rail mobile BM systems are indistinguishable from other civilan rail coaches. the field agents would need to blow up each and every rail track all over the country to make them immovable which is impossible.

Not sure how it looks ...even if RML (Rail Mobile Launcher system) has the same dimention of a standard civilian passenger/freight coaches ....still I assume it should have it's own special/unique configuration/structure to host/handle a long range missile system also to support during launch, these features apart from extra-extra security stuff should make it identifiable from other standard passenger/freight trains.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 16 Nov 2008 12:46

What makes you think this extra-extra security stuff doesnt come with extra-extra security

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 16 Nov 2008 12:58

sontu, there was a pic from either week or india today which explained your questions about these self contained rail mobile BM systems.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 16 Nov 2008 13:09

sontu, it is not identifiable. it is identical to a normal freight car.
one compartment houses the missile and another has the command and communication post.

RML's don't carry overt security with them anywhere in the world AFAIK. defeats the very purpose.

Raj Malhotra · Post by **Raj Malhotra** » 16 Nov 2008 13:24

I think that reporter has confused CLGM and Sudershan. My version of corrected report reads as follows:-

Manoj K DasFirst Published : 16 Nov 2008 12:40:00 AM ISTLast Updated : 16 Nov 2008 01:22:55 AM ISTKOCHI: After registering significant success with conventional missile systems, India is all set to test its first laser-guided missile at the Interim Test Range, Balasore, Orissa.

The missile is the latest weapon system developed indigenously to occupy the niche of a precision delivery mechanism. It can neutralise any target in a 8000-10,000m range with a zero margin of error.

Developed by the Aeronautical Development Establishment, Bangalore, CLGMis a versatile missile that can be used by the army, navy and air force. It suits the requirements of the artillery for a long-distance strike weapon. The navy can also fire it from an onboard launcher.

“The first version will use a ground-based launcher. However, subsequent ones could be fired from a flying fighter or drone. This will enhance the range,” a source told to this website's newspaper.

CLGM will use a laser of a specific frequency bandwidth to locate the target. The laser creates a heat signature on the target. The missile recognises the signature and homes in on it even if the target is moving, sources said. “The target can be spotlighted using laser beamed from a ship or air. The onboard systems can light it up and the missile follows the reflected light to reach targets that need pinpoint accuracy,” said the source.

However, unlike the practice of giving continuous laser guidance to a missile using an aircraft or a handheld designator, CLGM instrumentation enables it to chase a target once the navigation systems lock in on it. I assume that it Refers to lock on after launch

The ADE is equipping the missile with global positioning system technology. Like all modern missiles, it will have a three-dimensional locking mechanism using latitude, longitude and elevation. This line is more applicable to Sudarshan unless CLGM will also be fired in parabolic mode, see Nimrod series of Israeli missiles

The preliminary trials, the sources said, were satisfactory. A dummy target was lit up using a laser fired from a battle tank. The missile’s navigation system picked up the light and eliminated the target. CLGM final trials are expected to take place within three months.

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geeth · Post by **geeth** » 17 Nov 2008 09:12

Guys pls stop feeding Sontu with security details., to me he appears to be fishing

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2008 09:13

So Sudarshan is for taking out bunkers where jarnials hide? Otherwise I don't see the name relevance. Sudharsan makes the enemy headless.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2008 09:27

Gerard wrote:Shaurya only a variant of ballistic missile K-15

Dont know whether to laugh or cry. The source seems to be suffering from sour grapes. Wonder why he had to bleat? And to claim underwater launch is no big deal is so silly as you get more data from that about sea state etc.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 17 Nov 2008 09:44

IS 8-10 km enogh range for a LGB? The pic of shudharshan shown seem to show a 1000-2000 lb LGB, I would have assumed atleast 20-25 km range would be required so that the aircraft is in no danger.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 17 Nov 2008 10:05

lakshmic wrote: I think it might be a terminally guided munition for Bofors/155mm artillery like Krasnopol. Remember we bought a boatload of those for a boatload of money during the Kargil episode ?

I confirm its a LGB kit. Pity I didn't take a snap of it, looked very neat. I think we will get plenty of opportunities during Aero India 09.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Nov 2008 10:25

20-25 km range would be required so that the aircraft is in no danger.

I dont think the small guidance fins on a typical LGB-nose-n-tailkit
can glide the munition for such a distance even for a high alt 30,000ft
release.

lifting & foldable midbody fins like the 'diamondback kit' now being
fitted by USAF would be needed and will surely come to IAF also - sooner the better.

this is precisely the kind of stuff we need. pull in rafael if needed.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... d-back.htm

Diamond Back® features a unique joined tandem wing design that extends the wings from a compact storage position by the rearward movement of a carriage assembly to which the rear wings are attached. The deployed wings provide a diamond shaped platform with excellent maneuverability and glide characteristic's which increases the basic weapon footprint area by more than 20 times. After the bomb has been released and the "diamond" wing has been extended, the bomb benefits from additional lift. When a bomb like the GPS-guided JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition), equipped with a DIAMOND BACK ® kit, is released at an altitude of 25,000 ft (7 600 m), its range changes from 18.5km to 65 km.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 17 Nov 2008 10:25

K Mehta: Thanks.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Nov 2008 10:28

@50km and above 20kft, the launch a/c is pretty much immune to
anything below S300 SAM. even SA6/Tor/Buk cannot reach that
far out. and gps guided devices dont even need targeting updates though usn f/18 has played with updating the gps co-ords in a midflight jdam too...for better tactical attacks.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 17 Nov 2008 10:45

So this sudarshan baby is going to be similar to the Paveway IV (Dual mode GPS/Laser) thats entering service with the RAF currently.

In terms of putting wings to it IMHO DRDO should be able to develop the mid wings I think.

More importantly IMHO DRDO should look at developing lite (250, 500lb) versions of it as well it can be similar to the amrikhan SDB then given that its a kit this should be relatively simple, while the heavier (1000, 2000lb and more can be used against heavier targets and bunker busting).

Just my 2 naya paisa

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Nov 2008 10:54

indeed - light and accurate bombs permit more range/loiter time for the same bang and reduced drag and rcs.

I have also been petitioning for a smaller version of brahmos
150km max range and 75kms lo-lo-lo range as a fast attack missile
but looks like "crystal maze" fills that niche in.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 17 Nov 2008 11:24

Guys has there been any news at all on Crystal maze integration with the Rambha??

Also any news on what platform will be used to test Sudarshan IMHO Rambha would be an ideal one, now that the Litening is fully up and running on it.

Singha saar, the 150km range mini Brahmos actually is a good idea it can be developed as a dedicated anti radar missile to tackle the S300 threat.

Scenario: MKI's armed with multiple mini brahmos launch at the s300s and more MKI's or M2000's follow with crystal maze for the rest of the targets.

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 17 Nov 2008 12:25

Nirbhay UAV

Under a fast-track project that forms an integral part of India’s efforts to develop a credible cruise missile defence system, the Defence Research & Development Organisation’s (DRDO) ADE and ASL laboratories are co-developing an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) called Nirbhay (fearless) that will be both air-launched and ship-launched. Believed to have been launched in late 2005, the project calls for the UAV to be developed as both a high-speed target drone capable of simulating the flight profiles of land-attack/anti-ship cruise missiles like China’s DH-10A and Pakistan’s Babur

Nirbhay was supposed to be a Subsonic Cruise Missile with a range of 1000 kms,isnt it?

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K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 17 Nov 2008 13:13

narayana wrote:[url=http://404..html]Nirbhay UAV[/url]

Under a fast-track project that forms an integral part of India’s efforts to develop a credible cruise missile defence system, the Defence Research & Development Organisation’s (DRDO) ADE and ASL laboratories are co-developing an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) called Nirbhay (fearless) that will be both air-launched and ship-launched. Believed to have been launched in late 2005, the project calls for the UAV to be developed as both a high-speed target drone capable of simulating the flight profiles of land-attack/anti-ship cruise missiles like China’s DH-10A and Pakistan’s Babur
Nirbhay was supposed to be a Subsonic Cruise Missile with a range of 1000 kms,isnt it?

Another PS's BS He is mixing things here. He is mixing Lakshya's enhanced version and HALE UAV with Nirbhay Cruise missile. There is no target drone variant of Nirbhay, Lakshya already exists. And a CTOL variant of a cruise missile, you gotta be kidding me. He is mixing three projects as one and giving you a fantasy product. If we use a foreign engine the missile will be a non-starter thanks to MTCR. He is BSing through and through here. Please people dont post such things from his blog.
Wonder where he got the drawing from this time?

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to put it into perspective, we have had a copyright issue with PSG and force and this step is therefore necessary.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 18 Nov 2008 09:58

http://frontierindia.net/indian-agni-mi ... ese-border

Indian Agni missiles deployed in tunnels on Chinese border
Written on November 18, 2008 – 9:19 am | by P. Chacko Joseph |

India has built atleast 2 tunnels in mountains for storage of Agni Intermediate Range Ballastic Missile (IRBM). It was revealed by Mr. Bharat Karnad, who released his book “India’s Nuclear Policy” in Mumbai yesterday. He said that India is building more such facilities. Such tunnels will help India’s second strike capability, as; the Chinese Thermo Nuclear weapons cannot vaporize mountains.

Mr. Karnad explaind that it has been done to offset the deployments of Chinese IRBM”s in Chinese occupied Tibet. Mr. Karnad also outlined some scenarios when India and China might actually fight a war and the nuclear weapons might be used. One of the foremost reasons could be the Chinese plans to build a dam and divert water from Yarlung Zangbo (Brahmaputra) to the Yellow river. He said that China has already proceeded by the civil works. In a second scenario, he said, the new generation Tibetians who are very motivated, would launch an armed struggle against Chinese Imperialist. Another important fact he said was that India and China are already engaged in a battle to secure natural resources, even as far as Ecuador.

Bharat Karnad said that the weakest point of the Nuclear Chain of command was the will of the government to launch retaliatory strike. He said this was told to him by a retired Indian Army General. While Bharat karnad was unsure of current governments will, he and other speakers were unanimous that eventually the decision will come.

I have difference of opinion with some of the points made by Mr. Karnad. He mentions that the MiG-23 was purchased by IAF when they were given choice of purchasing TU-22M. MiG-23 was purchased was a knee jerk reaction to purchase of F-16’s by Pakistan Air Force. But the general observation of the lack of foresight by the Indian Air Force to build up capabilities against Chinese is agreeable. He also mentioned that India had put the ICBM development in back burner because of lack of resources. My point of view is different. I assume that India is actually building ICBM capabilities in the DRDO’s Advanced Systems laboratory (ASL). ASL does not seem to have a publicly defined mandate. Mr. Karnad says that India is leasing Akulas and it will improve the second strike capability. I just wonder which Indian missile can be fired from it. Mr. Karnad also revealed that India is negotiating for purchase of TU-160 Black Jacks from Russia. He could be right; Russian Air Force did display Tu-160s with their capability to get their job done over Indian Ocean during Indo-Russian Naval Exercises (INDRA).

I would also like to add some vital comments by some good speakers present at the book launch. Dr. P.K. Iyengar, former Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission made a point that, the Indian nuclear program was about weaponisation right from the start. He observed that, Nasser, Nehru and Tito, the three founders of Non- Alignment Movement (NAM) had agreed that if NAM has to be heard, it needs nuclear weapons. While Apsara reactor was established to get hands on Graphite machining and Cirrus was for extracting Plutonium. Dr. Iyengar was not at his verbal best on his opposition to India-US civil nuclear deal. Dr. Iyengar also recounted an incident that where he had asked the Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi for nuclear test. But Rajiv Gandhi responded by saying that he is putting a note to UN general assembly for disarmament.

Vice Admiral Madanjit Singh (Retd.) outlined the structure of the Indian nuclear command. He said that there was a National Commission (or Committee, I didn’t get that right. Then Executive Committee. These both are manned by civilians. Then the decision goes to another civil (DRDO and AEC) and military group who would translate the decisions into reality. Vice Admiral Madanjit also outlined the prospects of the Indian Nuclear submarine (ATV) building costs, costs of operation that includes the decision where would the ATV be berthed after it comes back from sea.

Ambassador Prakash Shah, IFS (Retd.) revealed that India signed Chemical Weapons ban (CWC) with the pre-condition that infamous Australia Group will be dissolved in future.

Dr. A.N. Prasad, former Director, BARC turned out to be the terrific speaker. He managed to come out with some pointed inferences, while I was wondering what he would speak since everybody else has spoken everything. He said that Thorium is the third stage but what about natural Uranium right now? He said that Dr. Homi Jehangir Bhabha had the vision to start extracting uranium right in 1960 with the uranium in Indian oreof just .07% (700 grams per ton). Those days, the world was operating 2-3% uranium content mines. Then he said that India lost focus and is now realizing the mistake of not continuing to build up on new mines and processing facility. He said that if the Indians would have concentrated on various ways of extracting uranium, we could have found alternative source like the Japanese have found a method of extracting uranium from sea water. One major point he brought out was that when the decision to build the nuclear submarine in 1970’s, the choice of the fuel was enriched uranium and not plutonium. India did not posses the facilities to enrich uranium but subsequently built it up.

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Nov 2008 12:53

India has built atleast 2 tunnels in mountains for storage of Agni Intermediate Range Ballastic Missile (IRBM). It was revealed by Mr. Bharat Karnad, who released his book “India’s Nuclear Policy” in Mumbai yesterday. He said that India is building more such facilities. Such tunnels will help India’s second strike capability, as; the Chinese Thermo Nuclear weapons cannot vaporize mountains.

So, we are following the "discredited" silo methodology?

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 18 Nov 2008 13:40

sum wrote:
So, we are following the "discredited" silo methodology?

No sir. You cannot compare mountain tunnels with silos. Silos can easily be nuked using precise missiles. But one cannot vaporise mountains with nukes.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Nov 2008 13:49

SAC MIB-bunker is under cheyenne mtn in colorado. ofcourse it is backed by a airborne
command post for el-presidante and Tacamo planes to communicate with submerged SSBN.

with multiple exits and long caverns, housing solid eqpt to clear the way incase of 1st
strike, these caves would be the most secure places to store agni's during peacetime
with mated n-devices.

the multi part handshake of PMO(pal)->BARC(warhead)->DRDO(agni)->Army(fire)
sure wont last 5mins in a real war. we need mated n-weapons ready to cook off on 10 mins notice.

and we need a dr.strangelove type cats paw of a "nuclear adviser" to PMO who comes on
TV on a monthly basis and talks casually of nuking A and B with a strange glint in his
eye.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 18 Nov 2008 15:49

Singha wrote: and we need a dr.strangelove type cats paw of a "nuclear adviser" to PMO who comes on
TV on a monthly basis and talks casually of nuking A and B with a strange glint in his
eye.

Where do I sign up?

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Nov 2008 16:15

prashanth wrote:
sum wrote:
So, we are following the "discredited" silo methodology?
No sir. You cannot compare mountain tunnels with silos. Silos can easily be nuked using precise missiles. But one cannot vaporise mountains with nukes.

Oh,ok...guess that am confused between the two. Will read up on both in more detail.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 19 Nov 2008 00:47

I am sorry to say that I am disappointed with very poorly edited piece. The first person statements inserted in midst of the news reporting is a jarring. There is no clarity if this piece is news reporting (in which case the reporter need to be doing reporting and not putting in his arguments/reposte to what people spoke at the event) or is it an article/commentary/rebuttal, in which case there is no problem statement identified that is being analyzed in the article.

http://frontierindia.net/indian-agni-mi ... ese-border

Indian Agni missiles deployed in tunnels on Chinese border
Written on November 18, 2008 – 9:19 am | by P. Chacko Joseph |

India has built atleast 2 tunnels in mountains for storage of Agni Intermediate Range Ballastic Missile (IRBM). It was revealed by Mr. Bharat Karnad, who released his book “India’s Nuclear Policy” in Mumbai yesterday. He said that India is building more such facilities. Such tunnels will help India’s second strike capability, as; the Chinese Thermo Nuclear weapons cannot vaporize mountains.

Mr. Karnad explaind that it has been done to offset the deployments of Chinese IRBM”s in Chinese occupied Tibet. Mr. Karnad also outlined some scenarios when India and China might actually fight a war and the nuclear weapons might be used. One of the foremost reasons could be the Chinese plans to build a dam and divert water from Yarlung Zangbo (Brahmaputra) to the Yellow river. He said that China has already proceeded by the civil works. In a second scenario, he said, the new generation Tibetians who are very motivated, would launch an armed struggle against Chinese Imperialist. Another important fact he said was that India and China are already engaged in a battle to secure natural resources, even as far as Ecuador.

Bharat Karnad said that the weakest point of the Nuclear Chain of command was the will of the government to launch retaliatory strike. He said this was told to him by a retired Indian Army General. While Bharat karnad was unsure of current governments will, he and other speakers were unanimous that eventually the decision will come.

I have difference of opinion with some of the points made by Mr. Karnad. He mentions that the MiG-23 was purchased by IAF when they were given choice of purchasing TU-22M. MiG-23 was purchased was a knee jerk reaction to purchase of F-16’s by Pakistan Air Force. But the general observation of the lack of foresight by the Indian Air Force to build up capabilities against Chinese is agreeable. He also mentioned that India had put the ICBM development in back burner because of lack of resources. My point of view is different. I assume that India is actually building ICBM capabilities in the DRDO’s Advanced Systems laboratory (ASL). ASL does not seem to have a publicly defined mandate. Mr. Karnad says that India is leasing Akulas and it will improve the second strike capability. I just wonder which Indian missile can be fired from it. Mr. Karnad also revealed that India is negotiating for purchase of TU-160 Black Jacks from Russia. He could be right; Russian Air Force did display Tu-160s with their capability to get their job done over Indian Ocean during Indo-Russian Naval Exercises (INDRA).

I would also like to add some vital comments by some good speakers present at the book launch. Dr. P.K. Iyengar, former Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission made a point that, the Indian nuclear program was about weaponisation right from the start. He observed that, Nasser, Nehru and Tito, the three founders of Non- Alignment Movement (NAM) had agreed that if NAM has to be heard, it needs nuclear weapons. While Apsara reactor was established to get hands on Graphite machining and Cirrus was for extracting Plutonium. Dr. Iyengar was not at his verbal best on his opposition to India-US civil nuclear deal. Dr. Iyengar also recounted an incident that where he had asked the Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi for nuclear test. But Rajiv Gandhi responded by saying that he is putting a note to UN general assembly for disarmament.

Vice Admiral Madanjit Singh (Retd.) outlined the structure of the Indian nuclear command. He said that there was a National Commission (or Committee, I didn’t get that right. Then Executive Committee. These both are manned by civilians. Then the decision goes to another civil (DRDO and AEC) and military group who would translate the decisions into reality. Vice Admiral Madanjit also outlined the prospects of the Indian Nuclear submarine (ATV) building costs, costs of operation that includes the decision where would the ATV be berthed after it comes back from sea.

Ambassador Prakash Shah, IFS (Retd.) revealed that India signed Chemical Weapons ban (CWC) with the pre-condition that infamous Australia Group will be dissolved in future.

Dr. A.N. Prasad, former Director, BARC turned out to be the terrific speaker. He managed to come out with some pointed inferences, while I was wondering what he would speak since everybody else has spoken everything. He said that Thorium is the third stage but what about natural Uranium right now? He said that Dr. Homi Jehangir Bhabha had the vision to start extracting uranium right in 1960 with the uranium in Indian oreof just .07% (700 grams per ton). Those days, the world was operating 2-3% uranium content mines. Then he said that India lost focus and is now realizing the mistake of not continuing to build up on new mines and processing facility. He said that if the Indians would have concentrated on various ways of extracting uranium, we could have found alternative source like the Japanese have found a method of extracting uranium from sea water. One major point he brought out was that when the decision to build the nuclear submarine in 1970’s, the choice of the fuel was enriched uranium and not plutonium. India did not posses the facilities to enrich uranium but subsequently built it up.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 19 Nov 2008 00:49

sum wrote:
prashanth wrote: No sir. You cannot compare mountain tunnels with silos. Silos can easily be nuked using precise missiles. But one cannot vaporise mountains with nukes.
Oh,ok...guess that am confused between the two. Will read up on both in more detail.

Silo's on relatively flat land can be hit from IRBM/ICBM from all directions.

Missile tunnels on steep mountain sides can be best hit from only one side. Also the altitude sensors will have big inaccuracy in hand on steep mountain sides. So a complex of mountain sides tunnels can be built, such that some missiles will be always protected, unless enemy has ability to hit from 360 degrees (I.e. missile range between 20,000 and 35,000 km, or a combination of land and submarine launched BM, or Cruise missiles).

Recall Kargil war and IAF's abelity to hit the targets down-slope versus bombing La-whore.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Nov 2008 01:24

Arun, Despite the poor writing the article has wealth of details that help in understanding the way things were and will be. One instance is the tripatriate understanding on need for strategic weapons. Of those three, one state has been cut up, the second is neutered and India is last man standing. And explains the culture wars of the last fifty years. Also shows why Second Five Year plan became Science focussed. Next come to RG decisions and ouster after the 1988 disarmament plan via Bofors scandal and VP Singh's bhagl me churi. And so on...