Chandrayan-1 moon mission

[Neela]

SSSalvi

I thought so too. But I looked hard again and then realised they were in fact craters only.
You need to imagine the bright area to be craters and the dark parts as shadows.

Sunlight incident angle fools our vision

[SaiK]

has this been posted before ?
Hitting a bull’s-eye on the Moon
http://moon.airspacemag.com/2008/11/15/ ... -the-moon/

Future milestones may be less splashy, but they will largely make up the ultimate value of the Chandryaan-1 mission.

Absolutely!., but the next milestone I am waiting on is the spectral analyzer of the MIP and what did the impact results produced? plus, that descent video!!! that should be exciting.

[Raj]

Chandrayaan-1: imaging moon in 64 colours
http://www.hindu.com/seta/2008/11/20/st ... 041700.htm

HySI will map the equatorial region during two 60-day slots in a year

http://www.thehindu.com/seta/2008/11/20 ... ayaan1.pdf

[sumishi]

Phil Stooke has put the ISRO TMC video as a single strip.
Post #220 in
There seems to be inversion in data values resulting depressions to appear as mountains.

you may be right. Emily Lakdawalla also pointed that out in her blog http://www.planetary.org/blog/.
check out her comments on the first pics of earth taken by CY, she mentions that pics are in inverse order and she gives a reason behind it too..

No! SSSalvi was not referring to the lateral inversion problem as was the case for CY's images of earth that were released, which Emily had pointed and corrected in her blog.

[SSSalvi]

Interesting article here:

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001743/

This is a very low-resolution movie made from data from Chandrayaan-1's high-resolution camera as it traveled in its 100-kilometer orbit over the south polar region of the Moon

Is it a low resolution or high resolution photograph?

As I said earlier the TMC data releaes is a QLD image ans generally such images are sub-sampled to accomodate in the TV ( or computer ) screen width in order to match the aspect ratio.

They might have released the movie at 1 pixel out of 4 or 5 pixels so the resolution is not full 5 m but 20 or 25 m.

I am used to see 1:6 QLD data in ALL IRS missions.

[harbans]

SSSalvi wrote:
Phil Stooke has put the ISRO TMC video as a single strip.
Post #220 in
There seems to be inversion in data values resulting depressions to appear as mountains.

I had a look at that. Seems absolutely OK to me. Compared it with Clementines Moretus picture too. Identical features. Why do you say that features seem inverted? I did'nt understand.

[UPrabhu]

SSSalvi wrote:
Phil Stooke has put the ISRO TMC video as a single strip.
Post #220 in
There seems to be inversion in data values resulting depressions to appear as mountains.

I had a look at that. Seems absolutely OK to me. Compared it with Clementines Moretus picture too. Identical features. Why do you say that features seem inverted? I did'nt understand.

Since it is just a 2d image with no actual height information, I see craters sometimes as mountains... optical illusion?... bheja cannot make sense based only on shading I guess..

[harbans]

Simplest thing is to compare it with a similar picture from a previous mission. Thats what i did compare it with the Clementine mission picture. It is identical. Thus the picture is correct. Rest is perspective.

Which forum was it? That was a good piece of deductive work, locating the region covered by CY's camera.

Indeed a poster called ArMap in ATS forum has done some really cool deductive work. Here's more..can you (anyone) post the comparitive images (kms/ pixel one) here. Am bandwidth challenged at the moment..but this is good stuff for those browsing these sections for illustrative info on CYs TMC..

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread403882/pg34

In this he's again got a compartive measure on Clementine and Chandrayaan in pixels. Extremely informative deduction indeed! Scroll somewhere below the middle for the pictures.

Another really interesting thing is that CYs TMC was not at full resolution at the time of the first image mapping. Seems it's going to be higher by 4 times at least!

[sumishi]

Which forum was it? That was a good piece of deductive work, locating the region covered by CY's camera.

Indeed a poster called ArMap in ATS forum has done some really cool deductive work. Here's more..can you (anyone) post the comparitive images (kms/ pixel one) here. Am bandwidth challenged at the moment..but this is good stuff for those browsing these sections for illustrative info on CYs TMC..

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread403882/pg34

In this he's again got a compartive measure on Clementine and Chandrayaan in pixels. Extremely informative deduction indeed! Scroll somewhere below the middle for the pictures.

tch..tch..tch.. Harbans! For a skeptic, you are not supposed to visit those sites - ATS is the home of conspiracy hunters, believers and lovers, with viewpoints ranging from the sublime to the downright weirdo.

[ss_roy]

There is a much simpler explanation for the resolution of the chandrayaan-1 images

Ok, most digital devices store or record in numbers that are the nth powers of 2. That is why numbers like 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 (or their multiples) are seen in everything from memory cards, hard drives, screen sizes and CCD sensors.

My guess is the chandrayaan-1 TMC's CCD array is a 4096 pixel array. The square of 4096 pixels would be over 16 MP (20 km * 20 km). Given that ISRO puts lossless BMP format images on their website, we are looking at a 16MB picture that would be downloaded by thousands if not millions in the first few days. Given the attitudes and lack of PR finesse in government run institutions, someone decided to convert a 4096 pixel wide image to a 1024 pixel wide image. The advantage of this approach is that people get a lossless image with 1/16th the bandwidth.

I would have preferred that ISRO made a 1024 pixel width image that sampled 5 km * 5km piece of the larger image.

[manoba]

tch..tch..tch.. Harbans! For a skeptic, you are not supposed to visit those sites - ATS is the home of conspiracy hunters, believers and lovers, with viewpoints ranging from the sublime to the downright weirdo.

Sumishi, I think your are a very good sentinel keeping conspiracies and weird stuffs away from BRF. Good work.

[sumishi]

tch..tch..tch.. Harbans! For a skeptic, you are not supposed to visit those sites - ATS is the home of conspiracy hunters, believers and lovers, with viewpoints ranging from the sublime to the downright weirdo.

Sumishi, I think your are a very good sentinel keeping conspiracies and weird stuffs away from BRF. Good work.

Incredible, Holmes!! how did you know it? (kudos)

[manoba]

Incredible, Holmes!! how did you know it? (kudos)

Errrr... what are you talking about...? I knew what...?
Anyway thanks for the kudos

[sumishi]

Incredible, Holmes!! how did you know it? (kudos)

Errrr... what are you talking about...? I knew what...?

That I have been personally working real hard to keep those stuff outta here. Cheers!

[sumishi]

A curfew seems to have been clamped on ISRO's website. Are the interesting events over? No more images/vids coming up. Do we have to now keep twiddling our thumbs till a full 3D Atlas emerges?

[harbans]

tch..tch..tch.. Harbans! For a skeptic, you are not supposed to visit those sites - ATS is the home of conspiracy hunters, believers and lovers, with viewpoints ranging from the sublime to the downright weirdo.

Thats why the Moon pics are analyzed in such great detail..better than on other space forums..

You're right, but don't assume answering conspiracy theorists is an easy task. Requires some degree of explanation. While CTs do float around, there's a good deal of bunking them too using rational means. Seen those sort of comparative photographs anywhere else on the Web? No.

Given the attitudes and lack of PR finesse in government run institutions, someone decided to convert a 4096 pixel wide image to a 1024 pixel wide image. The advantage of this approach is that people get a lossless image with 1/16th the bandwidth

Good post, did'nt think that way. However can you please explain this a little more? TIA.

[sumishi]

tch..tch..tch.. Harbans! For a skeptic, you are not supposed to visit those sites - ATS is the home of conspiracy hunters, believers and lovers, with viewpoints ranging from the sublime to the downright weirdo.

Thats why the Moon pics are analyzed in such great detail..better than on other space forums..

You're right, but don't assume answering conspiracy theorists is an easy task. Requires some degree of explanation. While CTs do float around, there's a good deal of bunking them too using rational means. Seen those sort of comparative photographs anywhere else on the Web? No.

Hmmm... you make an interesting point there regarding the analysis stuff!!

[Philip]

Kudos to our scientists from Sri Lanka's veteran editor,Gamini Weerakoon,columnist in the Morning Leader,and the relevance for poor developing countries.I however abhor the use of the phrase "third world" which he has used.Mrs.Gandhi hated it and said that there were only "rich and poor nations","developed and developing" and that "when the Europeans came to India,it was one of the richest in the world and when they left it, they left it one of the poorest"!

Quote:
"Like Japan and China India should not shift from the Indian way of thinking."

"The colonial masters had brought about a mindset that prevented the poor of these countries to look beyond the West for science, technology and management. Even after independence the leaders of these countries followed the models left behind by the colonial masters not daring to look or think beyond their noses. "

http://www.themorningleader.lk/20081119/World.html
The relevance of the Indian moon hit

By Gamini Weerakoon

The Moon Impact Probe with the tri-colour Indian flag painted on it, released by the Indian satellite Chandraayan, hitting the surface of the moon sent Indians into ecstasy. Even the victory of the Indian cricketers over the Australians in their three match series — cricket being the national obsession — was pushed aside by Indian TV channels. Watching NDTV news on cable TV we were struck to the extent which the usually staid news readers and news anchors were moved. It was a moment of national pride.

Former President Abdul Kalam, the renowned Indian space scientist who had nurtured India’s moon mission for decades, called it a ‘national dream.’

No hype in outside world

That media hype was not evident on other international TV channels such as the BBC and CNN. The MIP (Moon Impact Probe) hit the moon surface at 8.31 pm (Sri Lanka time) on Friday and hours after the event, the BBC carried only a brief announcement. We did not see a report of the event on CNN although there were other news items on India the same day. Probably they came on later at night but reports did appear on their online news channels the next day.

The Sri Lankan media too only had a few reports of the event the days following, despite the professed importance stressed on by these media organisations on Indo-Lanka relations. Perhaps the Lankan media organisations depend heavily on intentional agencies for international news. For big international news agencies and channels however, the Indian achievement was not really news. Moon probes were reported 40 years ago. Since then four other countries had planted their national flags on the moon and now probes are made much further than the moon into space.

Important to poor countries

Nonetheless, the entry of Third World countries into space science, space exploration and the development of space technologies are all important and should be considered a part of the development of all mankind.

The people of Asia — save Japan — have been confined to the realm of agricultural peasantry by and large till quite recently. So are the Africans and Latin Americans. Even the oil rich Arabs of the Middle East are today basically dependent on their incomes from oil. Technological prowess is confined to the North Americas, Europe, apart from Russia and Japan.

Even though China and India are now considered as Emergent Economies above the Third World, still a great majority of their populations numbering millions are poor farmers totally dependent on agriculture.

In this context the question is asked why billions of dollars should be spent on space research and other advanced scientific disciplines that have little bearing or relevance on the day-to-day living of the poor people.

Those who advocate development of science and technology in poor countries point out that the Third World will remain Third Class as long as resources of these countries are not diverted into science and technologies that could improve the lives of the poor. Even more than half a century ago there were Third World visionaries like Franz Fanon who declared that the poor of the Third World would remain the ‘wretched of the earth’ as log as they cannot breakthrough the bonds of neo-colonialist thinking.

The colonial masters had brought about a mindset that prevented the poor of these countries to look beyond the West for science, technology and management. Even after independence the leaders of these countries followed the models left behind by the colonial masters not daring to look or think beyond their noses.

Nehru and Mao

Present day progress in Indian science and technology has been attributed mainly to Jawaharlal Nehru who with his scientific educational background set out the basis for development of science and technology. Yet, Nehru was hampered by his own vision of a mixed form of socialism and Gandhism called Nehruvian economics as well as the welter of superstition that still engulfs Indian thinking to a fair extent.

China had Mao Tse Tung, a Marxist but not hide bound by the tenets of the Marxist Trinity of Marx, Lenin and Engels. He adapted Marxism to his own style to guide a quarter million of the world to become the nation it is today. The other country that did not don the colonial strait jacket of thinking was Japan which as far back as in the 19th Century of the Meiji Era debated what was best for Japan and decided on ‘Japanese thinking and Western technology.’

China and India are speeding ahead in science and technology. Marxist China guided and controlled by the Communist Party will no doubt be eclectic in the selection of its economic and scientific research and to suit its own national needs. India is a democracy and has accepted a free market economy. The question is whether it will be propelled by these forces beyond its national interests.

Indigenous thinking

Already the American and other Western influences in the media and other lifestyles have become markedly apparent. Like Japan and China India should not shift from the Indian way of thinking. In many fields, particularly in advertising the tendency to imitate the West is markedly visible. Imitation, as Oscar Wilde remarked, may be the highest form of flattery. But by imitating the West, India should look at its net gains.

India became an atomic power virtually on its own human resources. It is now hitting the moon with its own indigenous resolve. Its success will depend on how it can translate the indigenous gains made in the laboratory to its poor farmers in the fields.


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[Arya Sumantra]

Phil Stooke has put the ISRO TMC video as a single strip.
Post #220 in
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/inde ... &start=210



There seems to be inversion in data values resulting depressions to appear as mountains.

In reality these should be images along an Arc on the moon and not a vertical strip since Moon is also rotating about its axis while CY moves along its vertical orbit. Makes a small difference though considering the large difference between the two velocities.

BTW one silly question, Couldn't they modify a laser range finder to do a 3d topographic scans of areas made up of a numerous closely spaced line-scans?

[K Mehta]

I have stumbled upon The Blog of the Principal Investigator of Mini-SAR project-Dr. Paul D. Spudis, called The Once and Future Moon
with some nice entries on
Hitting a bull’s-eye on the Moon
The continuing saga of Chandrayaan-1

The first major event will be the release of a Moon Impact Probe, a small sub-satellite designed to hit Malapert, a large mountain near the south pole of the Moon, sending back pictures on the way down. Next, the mission team will deploy the large high-gain antenna and begin to commission the instruments. Commissioning involves turning each instrument on, making checks of their systems, taking small amounts of preliminary data and calibrating them such that the measurements we make are directly comparable to data taken from other ongoing and previous missions.

I wish one of our scientists had a blog of this kind. Well if wishes were horses....
On the brighter part Dr. Paul does seem quite open to questions, his blog hasnt been spammed with questions yet but that can change right?

[SSridhar]

Chandrayaan's Payload Data Centre

[ss_roy]

Ok, The attitude of people who have spent too much time under bureaucratic pressures to cut cost typically is-

1. We do not require resources (bandwidth and a slick website) to handle public interest.. it is too costly (not true in a media driven age).
2. We do not have a mandate to fulfill public curiosity about our work (very short sighted as public interest often translates into more money).
3. Let us give a satisfactory product instead of the delivering the best possible product (chalta hai).
4. People won't notice that we are not giving the best product (wrong again, this is the internet age).

IMHO they could have asked google to host the high resolution images. ISRO would not have had to pay extra one cent in bandwith fees, but rigid hierarchies often create an environment that discourages innovative thinking and action in the organization.

The chilling effect of hierarchy on innovation is not just an asian phenomenon- the same kind of thinking has wrecked many large western companies and indeed much of western science in the last 20 years.


//Given the attitudes and lack PR finesse in government run institutions, someone decided to convert a 4096 pixel wide image to a 1024 pixel wide image. The advantage of this approach is that people get a lossless image with 1/16th the bandwidth

Good post, did'nt think that way. However can you please explain this a little more? TIA.[/quote]//

[svinayak]

Ok, The attitude of people who have spent too much time under bureaucratic pressures to cut cost typically is-

1. We do not require resources (bandwidth and a slick website) to handle public interest.. it is too costly (not true in a media driven age).
2. We do not have a mandate to fulfill public curiosity about our work (very short sighted as public interest often translates into more money).
3. Let us give a satisfactory product instead of the delivering the best possible product (chalta hai).
4. People won't notice that we are not giving the best product (wrong again, this is the internet age).

IMHO they could have asked google to host the high resolution images. ISRO would not have had to pay extra one cent in bandwith fees, but rigid hierarchies often create an environment that discourages innovative thinking and action in the organization.

The chilling effect of hierarchy on innovation is not just an asian phenomenon- the same kind of thinking has wrecked many large western companies and indeed much of western science in the last 20 years.


//Given the attitudes and lack PR finesse in government run institutions, someone decided to convert a 4096 pixel wide image to a 1024 pixel wide image. The advantage of this approach is that people get a lossless image with 1/16th the bandwidth

Good post, did'nt think that way. However can you please explain this a little more? TIA.

I know the person who did the PR internet launch for JPL/NASA when they did the 2004 mars rover launch. It was a budget of $10M and it was quite a success.

[harbans]

I agree with Royji. Someone should forward this JAXA page to ISRO for improvement on their website. It won't cost 10m USD for sure. This is such an important mission and so well carried out that it is a must that it be presented well also.

See how blatantly comparative the Japanese Space agency is, and how well they present their mission here..

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/20071116_kaguya_e.html

And ISRO having slogged to get 4 times better imagery than the one in the above site, does a 100 times worse job on it's website.

[harbans]

And direct naysayers to this link..

India develops fuel cells using rocket technology from moon mission

November 19, 2008

Government group collaborating with Tata Motors to develop zero-emission buses powered by hydrogen fuel cells.

The Indian Space Research Organization said it has developed hydrogen fuel cells using the technology perfected during its recent mission to the moon.

Scientists say the cryogenic technology for the rocket can now be applied to buses.

The organization has assembled the first prototype, with the first road-ready bus expected to come out next year.

The group plans to enlist Tata Motors to work on the engine and hydrogen system. In 2006, Tata Motors, a division of India's Tata, began working with ISRO to design and develop a hydrogen fuel cell bus.

In the system developed by the Indian Space Research Center, the fuel cells are expected to produce 80 kilowatts of electric power, using hydrogen from eight high-pressure bottles stored on top of the bus.

The central government has said it wants to have 1 million hydrogen-fueled vehicles on the road by 2020 (see India makes cheaper fuel cell part).

Another Tata subsidiary, Jamshedpur, India-based Tata Steel, recently announced it had developed a method to extract hydrogen from steel slag (See Harvesting hydrogen from steel). The company plans to test the process at a small plant before the end of the year.

Fuel cells show promise for buses and other heavy-duty vehicles. Pasadena, Calif.-based Calstart has launched a $24 million program to test new and existing fuel cell technologies on transit buses in the state to help commercialize the use of hydrogen systems (see Calstart starts up fuel cell bus projects).

http://www.cleantech.com/news/3889/indi ... on-mission

[ss_roy]

ISRO requires a budget of about 50 million rupees to start a decent PR division.

A few good IT and publicity people, a couple of knowledgeable and well spoken scientists, support staff, equipment and office space + travel/ entertainment expenses should not require more than 5 crore (50 million rupees)/ year.

[vdutta]

I agree with Royji. Someone should forward this JAXA page to ISRO for improvement on their website. It won't cost 10m USD for sure. This is such an important mission and so well carried out that it is a must that it be presented well also.

See how blatantly comparative the Japanese Space agency is, and how well they present their mission here..

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/20071116_kaguya_e.html

And ISRO having slogged to get 4 times better imagery than the one in the above site, does a 100 times worse job on it's website.

wow. thats an awesome presentation of their work by Japanese. in todays world its not enough to do a good job but its also necessary to present it nicely. ISRO is lagging generations behind in reaching to the people.

[svinayak]

http://www.web-hosting-top.com/web-host ... ra-network

NASA Content Delivered Over Speedera Network Jan 8, 2004
Content delivery service provider Speedera Networks (speedera.com) said on Wednesday that it has delivered the Mars exploration Web content for NASA's Web sites over its globally distributed on-demand network.

According to Brian Dunbar, Internet services manager for NASA, Speedera has been able to keep up with the unprecedented levels of traffic without difficulty.
Speedera announced in December that it was partnering with Netherlands-based Capcave to help the European Space Agency to provide live streaming of content from the Mars probe. At the same time, the company said it would be providing on-demand computing services to NASA.
Speedera said that between 3:00 a.m. EST Saturday and 9:30 a.m. EST Tuesday, NASA's Web sites received 916 million hits and users downloaded 154 million Web pages. This occurred after the sites received a reported 109 million hits in the first 24 hours. According to Speedera, the Mars rover Spirit mission has become the most widely watched Internet event ever sponsored by the space agency.

NASA is relying on 1,300 servers to host the sites that document the mission.
Internet research organization Keynote Systems said yesterday that the performance of the NASA Web sites stabilized after a slowdown in performance on Tuesday.

"The NASA sites related to the Mars Rover mission which Keynote is measuring appear to have stabilized after yesterday's early spikes in performance. The response times for home page downloads are again well below 2 seconds with 100 percent success rates for reaching the sites," said Roopak Patel, senior Internet analyst for Keynote Systems. "From 3pm PST yesterday to 3pm PST today, the two sites had download times of 1.3 and 1.8 seconds (NASA and JPL respectively). Compared to the Keynote Government 40 Index numbers on which performance ranges from sub-second responses up to eight or ten seconds, the NASA sites have been very resilient in handling the traffic associated with the Mars mission."
Keynote measured the performance of two NASA sites - http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html (NASA) and http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html (JPL).

[Bade]

For that to happen, ISRO needs to outsource some of its work to private companies like NASA,NOAA and many other federal agencies in the US does. Long way to go for ISRO and other national agencies in India.

I do not know how ISRO plans to inspire young minds with just press releases of photographs randomly doled out. and pictures of meeting heads and chairman's mug shots and signing meetings of MOUs with various agencies as the only info they put out. It is so pathetic with zero science content on their website. Check their space science pages. It has been frozen since the year 2002, when I last complained in person at one of the ISRO sponsored symposiums....

[sumishi]

Cannot we, each one of us, be a part of an organised e-mailing campaign mailing to ISRO different versions of "Wassup fellas? Long time no pix-see"?

[Avid]

I propose setting up an ISOOGLE (IS= Indian Space) Moon Project

lunar version of the google earth but using the stereographic images from chandrayaan to construct the moon equivalent. Update it as the images roll in and we keep filling in the blank moon sphere.

[Arya Sumantra]

lunar version of the google earth but using the stereographic images from chandrayaan to construct the moon equivalent. Update it as the images roll in and we keep filling in the blank moon sphere.

And have a webpage with a periodic table where you select elements with a click and then return to webpage with lunar image and it would show the color maps of spatial distribution of selected elements within the area being viewed.

[ss_roy]

The rover part of Chandrayaan-2 lander is not a technological challenge. We have enough publicly available information about the surface conditions on the moon to test a variety of models in simulated chambers on earth. We can simulate the temperature ranges, day/night periods, vacuum, soil type/ conditions etc. We could even power the rover with an RTG to make it more reliable.

The real challenge is building a lander for carrying the rover to the lunar surface. The lander would have to use throttleable hypergolic engines + smaller thrusters to simultaneously slow down as well as orient itself correctly. So you have to design a craftt that simultaneously keeps itself upright and is capable of a controlled descent with a final speed of less than 2 m/s.

The last 30 seconds of descent have to be autonomous because of the 1.3 second delay (each way) in communications between the moon and the earth.

The lander must have a reasonable radar with a backup radar+ reliable hypergolic engines + thrusters + radiation hardened computer with a real time OS. All of this was possible with 1960s technology, but it required multiple testings in large space chambers on earth as well as the willingness to accept a couple of initial failures.

[lakshmikanth]

The last 30 seconds of descent have to be autonomous because of the 1.3 second delay (each way) in communications between the moon and the earth.

That wont be an issue if the lander is completely controlled by the mother ship which is orbiting the moon (instead of the earth station).

The entire thing can be autonomous, and I believe we have the capability to do that too. One benefit would be in the case where the mothership loses radio link when the descent is going on (because of the orbit) hence making it autonomous is the best option. Another would be to use the same technology in future missions like the Mars mission where there would be significant loss of radio link while the descent is happening, due to re-entry into martian atmosphere.

I propose setting up an ISOOGLE (IS= Indian Space) Moon Project

I think its better to be the backend providers to Google itself and focus more on space related activities. Google is the "Walmart" of web-tech. So its better to complement each other rather than compete with each other (as in the case of Bhuvan )... IMVVVHO

[Amber G.]

I think most of the people already know but there is (and has been for a last few years) google moon .

(And google showed it's sense of humor when one one zoomed in too close - one will cheese )

[SaiK]

rightly said.. bhuvan should be more applied where it is needed. google at best gives you 15m resolution, while bhuvan is at 10m., adv one!.

The most important applications should be floods, famines, infrastructure development, and education.

1. Tsunami prevention plan and areas where Mangroves needs to be re-grown.
2. water bodies, and river distribution - i am thinking kalamjis inter linking of rivers.
3. infra dev, that maps for growth and not at congesting cities. a plan, is needed from a business and growth sense.. bhuvan can only aid, but our plans are the driving forces.. for example look at structures and roads in bangalore.. how newer areas needs to be viewed? basically capacity planning.- right now we suck here.
4. constant feed back - taking Indian land forms on a periodic basis, and and the algorithms come up with the changes in the land forms, is against expected growth or unplanned.. thus tracking those growth and fixing issues.
5. moving cities to villiages.. pura plans etc.

people must only do one thing.. just think right and do it right

[Sumit A]

Post content deleted.

Please, don't post sensationalist nonsense about secret ISRO 'UFO projects'

[lakshmikanth]

rightly said.. bhuvan should be more applied where it is needed. google at best gives you 15m resolution, while bhuvan is at 10m., adv one!.

The most important applications should be floods, famines, infrastructure development, and education.

1. Tsunami prevention plan and areas where Mangroves needs to be re-grown.
2. water bodies, and river distribution - i am thinking kalamjis inter linking of rivers.
3. infra dev, that maps for growth and not at congesting cities. a plan, is needed from a business and growth sense.. bhuvan can only aid, but our plans are the driving forces.. for example look at structures and roads in bangalore.. how newer areas needs to be viewed? basically capacity planning.- right now we suck here.
4. constant feed back - taking Indian land forms on a periodic basis, and and the algorithms come up with the changes in the land forms, is against expected growth or unplanned.. thus tracking those growth and fixing issues.
5. moving cities to villiages.. pura plans etc.

people must only do one thing.. just think right and do it right

Agreed.

We can provide "Bhuvan APIs" similar to Google API to customers anywhere in the world to use. Ideally there should be a web interface and some sort of C/C++ interface as well. As this is web enabled, any device PC/Embedded thats connected to the net would be able to access these apis. This would make a LOT of people use opensource projects to work on things you mentioned above. We can easily source those projects and develop more complicated interface infrastructure. This would help everyone and is a perfect win-win. I am up for suggesting this to ISRO and to code up some of the infrastructure bits (in case anyone shows interest in getting open source leverage.)

[SaiK]

I doubt ISRO would allow an open-source project for this? .. further, they might charge on the service.
!?

[Amber G.]

Mean while a small news item from University of Tennessee ..Among many lectures on public policy being given recently, one was given by Jack Schmitt. (He is a former NM senator and also the only scientist and the last person to walk on moon – Apollo 17 ). He wished US travel back to space , and explore moon, and Mars etc and was a little disappointed to note that he “does not see the curiosity of the unknown, particularly from young people” here said some thing to the effect .

I hate to say it, but we need to get back to where we were 40 years ago. In our ability to work in deep space, in our understanding of deep space and developing a generation or two or more of people that have that understanding. We don’t have that anymore. We’ve let that all go.

He said he was optimistic, though, being part of the team of M3 (Moon Mineralogy Mapper ) on Chandrayaan-1 (Along with UT’s Prof Taylor)