(demeaning or otherwise, it is understood that the kill ratio (at Mountain Home AFB) was 21 : 1, in favour of the Su-30MKIs).


(demeaning or otherwise, it is understood that the kill ratio (at Mountain Home AFB) was 21 : 1, in favour of the Su-30MKIs).
I suspect that Stephen is in direct contact with Pushpindar Singh. It sounds like an email.George J wrote:Umm where did Pushpinder Singh post this stuff?? Can someone scan Vayu if that's where Stephen is picking this up from?
This almost looks like the same email posted by Shiv, earlier in the Red Flag Thread !Jagan wrote:I suspect that Stephen is in direct contact with Pushpindar Singh. It sounds like an email.George J wrote:Umm where did Pushpinder Singh post this stuff?? Can someone scan Vayu if that's where Stephen is picking this up from?
Waiting!!!Vishnu wrote:Coming up ... exciting new details on the nature of 1 v 1 engagements at Mountain Home ... gun kills, the use of the AIM 9X-JHMCS ... gun kills etc ... Watch this space.
That picture of pie in the face is hilarious, which was also posted on BR 2 weeks ago by me.jerry wrote:watch the blog for details of ''that colonel''
http://livefist.blogspot.com/
come to think of it th good colonel has done us jingos a lot of favour.
lots of info has come outta this debate.
Also as far as su30mki ' dudh ka dudh, pani ka pani ho gaya '
Stalkers-r-usgogna wrote:That picture of pie in the face is hilarious, which was also posted on BR 2 weeks ago by me.jerry wrote:watch the blog for details of ''that colonel''
http://livefist.blogspot.com/
come to think of it th good colonel has done us jingos a lot of favour.
lots of info has come outta this debate.
Also as far as su30mki ' dudh ka dudh, pani ka pani ho gaya '
uploader:In memory of Shailendra Singh (Shail Sr).
Dedicated to some of the best pilots in the World! Ja Hind!
some guy:Awesome! Looking forward to more videos such as these. This is from the Instructors Training School at AFS Tambaram at Chennai, isn't it?
it was later removed i think somebody may have objectedIndeed it is! Thanks... I know it's low quality video, but it was my first ever effort. The shots vary between the practice at Chennai Beach and then cuts from the IAF AF Academy outside Hyderabad. I was an exchange Instructor w/ India from 03-05. Are you affilliated with the IAF? If so, please try to get the word out on this video. The IAF has some of the best pilots ever!
Though you made a lucid explanation of your point, i have some difficulties in putting that into the context at the sametime I'm not opposing.tsarkar wrote:JTull,
I agree with you that a person holding that position should have known his facts. However most positions of these nature are filled by middle aged ex squadron / wing commanders who don’t have the inclination to research deeply as a youngster would. They think they’ve seen all / done all.
He is certainly guilty of bragging in front of what he thought was a closed audience. He didn’t claim expertise – the media did.
To his credit, he got some parts right. For example, on TVC,
US, UK and India have been flying Harriers for ages. The jargon then was "viffing" - vector in forward flight. By vectoring their nozzles, the pilots would take a snap turn in a turn or loop and take a quick shot. While pilots practiced, they decided against using it.
The sudden drop in airspeed while viffing caused the Harrier to be a sitting duck for many seconds for opponents other than its intended target. To better explain, Harrier viffs to target enemy A. Enemy B some distance off can easily pick the Harrier as it has lost airspeed that it will take some time to regain. Guns are used in these situations.
Some thoughts on ‘that’ Red Flag video…
You’ve probably heard about the video that surfaced of USAF F-15 pilot Col Terrence Fornof giving a lecture about the performance of the Indian AF Su-30MKIs and other participants at Red Flag this year. If not, I recommend you watch it…
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WKEa-R37PeU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv ... re=related
Now, despite an apology from the USAF, making clear that these were Col Fornof’s personal comments and not an official view, the Indian media has got hold of the story and is milking it for all it’s worth. I especially enjoyed this clip from an Indian news channel, originally posted by Stephen Trimble on his Flightglobal blog — suffice to say, the style of the report is rather alien to those of us who prefer a John Simpson or a Jeremy Bowen.
http://www.itgo.in/index.php?issueid=&i ... t_bottom=0
What this brings to my mind, apart from what it says about the relative merits of the respective aircraft and pilots, is the manner in which so many official public statements about aviation matters — military and civil — have been so hopelessly emasculated by the need to present a positive or unified image that anything mildly controversial is deemed notable or, worse, shocking. I don’t expect anything to be released that is in any way unwise or sensitive, but a bit more genuine information and a bit less spin would not go amiss. In this case, I was pleased to hear a set of opinions that didn’t toe the party line. Indeed, I look forward to a similarly ‘honest’ Indian response to the perceived slur. Will we get one?
tsarkar wrote:..............To his credit, he got some parts right. For example, on TVC................
From the the archive thread and also from Page 2 of this thread which you SHOULD have read wrote: From the email I was "asked" to post.
3. The behaviour of the MKI in thrust vectoring is incorrectly described. Maybe someone who has actually flown against the MKI can do better justice, provided it’s an honest and unbiased assessment.
Shiv's email:
2.The data rates of turn and TV with regard to the Su is grossly out- the ones on the F-22 may be closer to the truth!! The figures for the Su are very much more than that referred to in the video!!
Hi Kaangeya. I have been resisting so far not to post this but there have been too many "The Col should atleast know this" type posts. I talked to one IA officer who happens to be my friend and he didn't know about PLA's main infantry rifile. Another said that Beretta is german and "What's the de-cocking lever on a Pistol?" No offence meant to anyone (including my friendskaangeya wrote:While it does matter that the colonel is a test pilot and is expected to know a little more than a routine operational pilot, his ignorance would still be cause for concern, because serving personnel who talks from a podium addressing fellow officers in any capacity whould have at least read up the basics. It is hard to concede that the Colonel did not read up or prepare for his speech and still harder to accept that the vast sources of information he had access to lead him to believe that the SU30 MKI uses a Tumansky and the MiG-21 Bison uses an Israeli Radar. These are errors of fact that point to non-serious thinking and poor preparation. OK the Colonel I am sure knows his job, but this wasn't his regular job.
I agree 100% with the above quote from tsarkar.Firstly, service personnel are trained to focus on their job. Collecting trivia information isn’t a part of their job routine. Hence I find it fully plausible that he doesn’t know MiG21 has a Russian radar than an Israeli one or the Su30 engine is Saturn rather than Trumansky. Because he devotes his attention to flying rather than reading Janes IDR! Just to give an example, most F-16s use P&W or GE engines. Pakistani F-16s use P&W engines. Yet if you quizzed of all IAF WAC & SWAC pilots, flight commanders and squadron commanders, most of them won’t be able to identify a Pakistani F-16’s engine. Because they focus on understanding the F-16’s fighting & flying capabilities rather than the brand of its engine or radar. Similarly, 90% of IN ship and sub commanders won’t know what brand of engine powers Pakistani Type 21s. Hell, half of them won’t know what brand powers their own ships. To them it’s just “diesels” or “GTs” generating “xyz” hp. That suffices in their job rather than knowing the name of some obscure Russian diesel or GT manufacturing factory.
Not really - Everyone grew up on a diet of MiG fighters - so Tumansky comes to mind naturally naturally . Its a bit more difficult to remember Saturn or llyuka or other such names.By the way, how could this pilot say Tumansky (not Trumansky), which is tougher to remember than Saturn?
Yeah, and I talked to my friend who knows ACM Tipnis's son's friend, who has once flown with the USAF, who says that the Colonel should have...Hi Kaangeya. I have been resisting so far not to post this but there have been too many "The Col should atleast know this" type posts. I talked to one IA officer who happens to be my friend and he didn't know about PLA's main infantry rifile. Another said that Beretta is german and "What's the de-cocking lever on a Pistol?" No offence meant to anyone (including my friends) in Indian armed forces but this is the way it is.
Yes that was a casual meeting and was not supposed to come out on youtube like that. He was speeking in 'Daedalians meet' as pointed out by Georje earlier.kaangeya wrote:Yeah, and I talked to my friend who knows ACM Tipnis's son's friend, who has once flown with the USAF, who says that the Colonel should have...Hi Kaangeya. I have been resisting so far not to post this but there have been too many "The Col should atleast know this" type posts. I talked to one IA officer who happens to be my friend and he didn't know about PLA's main infantry rifile. Another said that Beretta is german and "What's the de-cocking lever on a Pistol?" No offence meant to anyone (including my friends) in Indian armed forces but this is the way it is.
You get the idea right?
This wasn't a casual chat. This was a talk from a podium. There's a difference.
the good colonel's credibility goes out of the window if the topgun is his source on migs !Jagan wrote:Not really - Everyone grew up on a diet of MiG fighters - so Tumansky comes to mind naturally naturally . Its a bit more difficult to remember Saturn or llyuka or other such names.By the way, how could this pilot say Tumansky (not Trumansky), which is tougher to remember than Saturn?
that would be true if he quoted MiG-28sRahul M wrote:[
the good colonel's credibility goes out of the window if the topgun is his source on migs !![]()
at least should have read the jane's mags he kept referring to !