Terror Attacks in Mumbai

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 02:18

{useless rant deleted. Cheers. }

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 27 Nov 2008 02:19

vivek_ahuja wrote:How on earth did these terrorists manage to capture the police vehicles?

The piglets painted a white ambassodr, changed number plates and put a red light on top to get into the green zone in the parliament attack case. IMHO, they could've just as well done a paint job on some mahindra jeep and or toyota qualis and made a 'police vehicle' 0ut of it.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 02:20

As advised by JEM, not putting names. There are so far three hotels and three hospitals with hostage situation is all we can get so far. The whole ordeal started at 9.45 and now it is 2.45.

Mumbai will wake up while the comando ops are going on in barious location. Scary situation.

so far no single news that can put the entire operation in perspective and report in a coordianted fashion.

It is the worst attack so far in India and we still do not have the full picture.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 02:20

..and military training is what given at the terrorist camps, as well. However, nothing can be ruled out now.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 27 Nov 2008 02:21

Zain Verjee has gone crazy. She keeps repeating "we don't know for sure if Hindu extremist groups could be behind this".

ChandraS · Post by **ChandraS** » 27 Nov 2008 02:22

vivek_ahuja wrote:How on earth did these terrorists manage to capture the police vehicles?

Possibly shot dead the cops nearby the Taj/Oberoi/ CST station - There is always some police bandobast in these places.

There don't seem to be any news from the Nariman House - place where Jewish families are present.

\my thoughts
Man, there is going to be hell to pay for these pigs.- Jews, Westerners, Indians - Guess this is a last ditch attempt from the NaPakis
\end

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 27 Nov 2008 02:22

vishal wrote:CST reported to be cleared of terrorists.

another grenade goes off inside the CST station even as Star News live coverage was on in the background.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 02:23

NRao-saar, Please edit your post, look at JEM-saar's post.

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 27 Nov 2008 02:23

vsudhir wrote:
vivek_ahuja wrote:How on earth did these terrorists manage to capture the police vehicles?
The piglets painted a white ambassodr, changed number plates and put a red light on top to get into the green zone in the parliament attack case. IMHO, they could've just as well done a paint job on some mahindra jeep and or toyota qualis and made a 'police vehicle' 0ut of it.

True.

This is exactly what happens when the police and security forces remain underfunded and unable to acquire specialist vehicles.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 27 Nov 2008 02:26

Army has entered Oberoi and Taj. Latest reports say 15 hostages in Taj, ~40 in the Oberoi.

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 27 Nov 2008 02:26

ChandraS wrote:Possibly shot dead the cops nearby the Taj/Oberoi/ CST station - There is always some police bandobast in these places.

But according to news reports, the number of vehicles "stolen" does not match with the numbers of police dead. Possibly the other option: just how difficult is it to imitate the equipment of the indian police forces?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 02:27

I can agree, if they are under trained, and given bad arms and security vehicles. But I would not agree if the police were under funded.

Its high time, we realize that our police is equiped with advanced gadgets, where in they are fool proof in terms of even providing a remote controlled button to "self destruct" their vehicles.

Hijack, Achutng commands should be enough!

ChandraS · Post by **ChandraS** » 27 Nov 2008 02:28

Another update

The TV coverage doesn't seem to show anything new in visuals. even the reporters are just recycling news unless any new bit of info is released by the afsars.

Guess the flushing out operations are on full swing and the media blackout is too deny any situational awareness to the terros.

Re: the Qualis seemed to be a genuine one from Mumbai Police. Talk is of it being hijacked. Nearly 15 cops are injured. Could be one of them.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 27 Nov 2008 02:29

there is a nagging thought in my mind ..
it is also possible that something like this could be in response to India's increasing naval profile.
Somalian pirates can easily be handled by US Navy .. yet they are keeping their hands off the issue.
very powerful international forces could be behind this move with piracy just being a front.
Just can't avoid the feeling that one hydra headed dragon is managing various theatres, in pursuit of bigger goal.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 02:30

Latest: the terrorist jsut blew up a petrol bunk with a rocket launcher at a south Mumbai loacation as per Headlines TV report.

This is war in Mumbai.

Vriksh · Post by **Vriksh** » 27 Nov 2008 02:30

What probability is there that the terrorist perps inside Taj/Oberoi etc still have internet access and can read BR/other news agencies in real time and plan accordingly?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 02:31

Raju, if 600 pakis visas can disappear into crowds, your thoughts are well valid. we have a very poor security setup especially in authorizaton and authentication of identities.. we need to move into bio-metrics soon, that detects genetic lineage in minutes.

adarshp · Post by **adarshp** » 27 Nov 2008 02:32

As some other members are indicating, the operations seem to have a level of sophistication, which indicates structured training and a functioning organizational structure behind it. I am sure we will get a lot of time to discuss the details threadbare once the current operation is over. At the moment, my respects to all who have lost their lives in duty of mother India, and deep felt hope that the numbers do not rise any further.

(Cant stop myself from saying this) When this settles I only hope that the brains behind such operations and the hidden hands are retaliated against, and the matter is not closed at getting rid of the terrorist operators. Putting the fear of god in the heart of those arm chair generals and making them know that there is a desire and will for retribution is what is needed.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Nov 2008 02:32

vivek_ahuja wrote:
ChandraS wrote:Possibly shot dead the cops nearby the Taj/Oberoi/ CST station - There is always some police bandobast in these places.
But according to news reports, the number of vehicles "stolen" does not match with the numbers of police dead. Possibly the other option: just how difficult is it to imitate the equipment of the indian police forces?

not much. more so because the recent better acquisitions like the qualis etc are not coloured in any specialist police schemes. with a regular civilian paintjob all it takes is a cardboard written police on it and an optional redlight. also not every policecar has a redlight.

What probability is there that the terrorist perps inside Taj/Oberoi etc still have internet access and can read BR/other news agencies in real time and plan accordingly?

I guess all signals will be jammed now, including cable and possibly telephone lines.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 02:33

Muppalla wrote:Latest: the terrorist jsut blew up a petrol bunk with a rocket launcher at a south Mumbai loacation as per Headlines TV report.

This is war in Mumbai.

sounds like a war... they are in numbers!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 02:33

Vriksh wrote:What probability is there that the terrorist perps inside Taj/Oberoi etc still have internet access and can read BR/other news agencies in real time and plan accordingly?

They can access using wireless cards even if the communication is cutoff unless the police brought in jammers and also switch off all the wireless towers in South Mumbai.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 27 Nov 2008 02:33

Headlines Today : 9 suspects held, 2 shot dead!

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 27 Nov 2008 02:33

ChandraS wrote:Another update

The TV coverage doesn't seem to show anything new in visuals. even the reporters are just recycling news unless any new bit of info is released by the afsars.

Guess the flushing out operations are on full swing and the media blackout is too deny any situational awareness to the terros.

Exactly. Expect the media exposure to reduce back down to what you see in the J&K Ops: the aftermath.

About time too. These terrorists want as much media coverage they can manage.

Re: the Qualis seemed to be a genuine one from Mumbai Police. Talk is of it being hijacked.

Then that is a slap in the face of the police forces.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Nov 2008 02:33

Can BR stop posting specefics of developing situation. Just that it is on TV is no excuse to tell whoever is watching what is going on. Can we stop it please. Just talk in generalities.

Thanks,

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Nov 2008 02:35

One can make up any excuse however it has to have credibility. Only folks who have shown such capability are the Mumbai criminals with ISI help/guidance. Going after police officers is a criminal bent of mind. The Westerners are being rounded up to please the old man in the cave. Didnt Zawahari makes some rants after the US elections?

Anyway after the thing is over need to settle scores with the Indian media. Press freedom is one thing and to out right sow dissension and rouse passions at times of distress is treason. Is that Virjee even an Indian?

They are those unlogged guests surfing BRF on their cellphones. Get a life.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Nov 2008 02:38

Folks in other major metros, should also be on the lookout. This is war on the Indian state and people. Foreigners especially need to watch out. This is clearly aimed at hurting the economy.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 27 Nov 2008 02:38

ramana wrote:One can make up any excuse however it has to have credibility. Only folks who have shown such capability are the Mumbai criminals with ISI help/guidance. Going after police officers is a criminal bent of mind. The Westerners are being rounded up to please the old man in the cave. Didnt Zawahari makes some rants after the US elections?

Anyway after the thing is over need to settle scores with the Indian media. Press freedom is one thing and to out right sow dissension and rouse passions at times of distress is treason. Is that Virjee even an Indian?

They are those unlogged guests surfing BRF on their cellphones. Get a life.

Virjee is a typical Kutch surname.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 02:39

need to evacuate civilians asap and cordon off the area for marcos... once the terrorists are caught, they should be handled by military courts onlee.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 02:40

I think all the BR member have to learn new things in this operation and very quickly too. In the past when we had these threads, the attacks are over and it was during rescue and relief we had these posts. This attack(still going on), we have to be careful about what we post as most of the folks here are knowledged and we might unwantedly end up helping someone.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 27 Nov 2008 02:40

NOT THE TIME OR THE PLACE

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Nov 2008 02:41

Raju wrote:there is a nagging thought in my mind ..
it is also possible that something like this could be in response to India's increasing naval profile.
Somalian pirates can easily be handled by US Navy .. yet they are keeping their hands off the issue.
very powerful international forces could be behind this move with piracy just being a front.
Just can't avoid the feeling that one hydra headed dragon is managing various theatres, in pursuit of bigger goal.

Dragon and its ugly Litter ,both inside India and in the neighborhood.

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 27 Nov 2008 02:41

SaiK wrote:need to evacuate civilians asap and cordon off the area for marcos... once the terrorists are caught, they should be handled by military courts onlee.

Yeah, like that's ever going to happen! A week from now people from the same city will be fighting for the rights of these very terrorists.

Vivek Sreenivasan · Post by **Vivek Sreenivasan** » 27 Nov 2008 02:42

Not sure about this, but heard on BBC world Service that there were 16 GROUPS of terrorists going around shooting people and causing mayhem in different sites around Mumbai. How the hell did police not get a tip off?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 27 Nov 2008 02:42

zain verjee going on about hindu terror. thank fully the host didnot take the bite.
she is out of her head. speculating in a situation that is live.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 02:43

vivek_ahuja wrote:
SaiK wrote:need to evacuate civilians asap and cordon off the area for marcos... once the terrorists are caught, they should be handled by military courts onlee.
Yeah, like that's ever going to happen! A week from now people from the same city will be fighting for the rights of these very terrorists.

perhaps, deny that right to them.. there should be some turning point.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 27 Nov 2008 02:43

Can BR stop posting specefics of developing situation. Just that it is on TV is no excuse to tell whoever is watching what is going on. Can we stop it please. Just talk in generalities.

Thanks,

Not everybody has access to Indian TVs ............so bear with it.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 27 Nov 2008 02:44

http://flickr.com/photos/vinu/

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Nov 2008 02:45

NDTV saying that "Deccan Mujahideen" is claiming attack.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 27 Nov 2008 02:45

200 NSG commandos on way to city

VickersB · Post by **VickersB** » 27 Nov 2008 02:45

Zain Verjee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zain_Verjee