Terror Attacks in Mumbai

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 04:46

Brihaspati,
While I want the Islamic pigs responsible for this heinous crime to be be butchered, I don't for a moment believe that all muslims are terrorists. We should be capable of separating Islamic terrorists from muslims in this situation. (similar to LTTE and tamils in Srilanka).

I sincerely hope that this doesn't result in backlash on Muslim communities. Otherwise we will have another Godhra on our hand and that will give even more ammunition to the media to beat the hindus down. The whole media will shift the focus on the backlash and forget the root cause very similar to Godhra. Hopefully the authorities are taking appropriate action to prevent any attacks on the muslim community. The city wide curfew is a welcome decision in that direction.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 04:47

Rahul Shukla wrote:CNN confirms foreign casualties, "...many foreigners have been killed."

CNN: Americans amongst targeted: State Dept: Unaware of American casualties...

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 04:49

There may be a reason for not publicising the american casualities. Otherwise the western governments will be forced to take action to save their citizen's life, may be even force the Indian government to negotiate, allowing the terrorists to gain an upper hand on the situation.

May be the western government are allowing some breathing space for India to finish this up before it lets any news out.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 27 Nov 2008 04:49

Deleted.

For goodness' sake, stop posting suggestions of mass murder in retaliation. If you were a terrorist that's exactly the sort of wild response you would hope for. This is an emotional time, but its not an excuse to switch off the brain and post.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 04:50

rgsrini wrote:Brihaspati,
While I want the Islamic pigs responsible for this heinous crime to be be butchered, I don't for a moment believe that all muslims are terrorists. We should be capable of separating Islamic terrorists from muslims in this situation. (similar to LTTE and tamils in Srilanka).

rgsrini, not a time to argue but brihaspati is right. It really does not matter if all muslims are not terrorists. Hindus will always be subject to extermination unless there is a fightback.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 27 Nov 2008 04:50

Pakistan is begging for another Parakaram. Situation is getting out of control in Pakistan and they have no choice but to hit India to get a response out of GOI to deflect pressure on their western front. But as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for...

Ujjal · Post by **Ujjal** » 27 Nov 2008 04:51

It's funny and retarded to see our Pakistani inbreds "spreading

" their dirty propaganda of "Hindu terrorists" being behind the attacks.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 04:51

Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan is begging for another Parakaram. Situation is getting out of control in Pakistan and they have no choice but to hit India to get a response out of GOI to deflect pressure on their western front. But as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for...

Or maybe ISI ******** want to show Zardari he is not under control.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 04:52

Vavinash,
I hope you are not in Mumbai. If you are, I recommend that you go to sleep. It is people like you who bring a bad name to Hindus. It is critical that we differentiate between Islamic terrorists and muslims. There is no other way to solve this issue without coopting the muslims.
Also, Muslims are Indians as well, in case you have forgotten.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 04:54

Abhi_G
No one is arguing that we need a fight back. I am saying that it should be against the correct party (terrorists and their supporters) and not innocent Indians (muslims)

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 27 Nov 2008 04:55

If GOI doesn't act there will be millions of Vavinash.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Nov 2008 04:56

CNN: US Officials say L.E.T could be possibly involved.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 04:56

rgsrini wrote:Vavinash,
I hope you are not in Mumbai. If you are, I recommend that you go to sleep. It is people like you who bring a bad name to Hindus. It is critical that we differentiate between Islamic terrorists and muslims. There is no other way to solve this issue without coopting the muslims.
Also, Muslims are Indians as well, in case you have forgotten.

While I am tempted to reply to your "Muslims are Indians" ...I will hold back to ensure that irrelevant topics are not discussed in this thread. But I agree with you that we differentiate between terrorists and Muslims...

Vivek Sreenivasan · Post by **Vivek Sreenivasan** » 27 Nov 2008 04:57

Views from the scene. BBC.

Some of the people caught up in the Mumbai attacks, which targeted two of the Indian city's top hotels, a railway station, a hospital and other sites, have been describing their experiences.

Police say at least 78 people have been killed and more than 200 injured.

ALAN JONES
Alan Jones was in Mumbai on business, and was at the Trident Hotel, which adjoins the Oberoi Hotel, with a colleague when the attacks happened.

"We took the lift to the lobby and heard bangs as the door opened. A Japanese man, one of four men in the lift, was shot and wounded at that precise moment," he told BBC News.

"I frantically pressed the "close door" button but had to move the shot man's foot for the doors to close.

"We headed back to our rooms on the 28th floor of the hotel but were quickly instructed by staff to go to a "safe" room in the basement.

"There, we met many residents, but nowhere near all of them. After approximately an hour, we were escorted from the hotel, and, with the help of our local office, made our way back to the office we've been working at.

"It's still near the affected area but feels more secure.

"We're under the impression that there are still gunmen in the Oberoi -Trident complex, with many residents still inside."

ALEX CHAMBERLAIN
Alex Chamberlain, a British man in Mumbai on business, said he had escaped from the Oberoi hotel which was on fire.

He told the British television broadcaster, Sky, that when he was in the hotel a gunman ordered people upstairs.

"They told everybody to stop and put their hands up and asked if there were any British or Americans. My friend said to me, 'don't be a hero, don't say you are British'.

"I am sure that is what this is all about. They were talking about British and Americans specifically."

Fearing that he would be asphyxiated by smoke in the stairwell, Mr Chamberlain said he had managed to escape through a fire exit with another person.

But his Indian friend was "still on the roof of that hotel somewhere" while armed police surrounded the building.

SANVAR OBEROI
Mumbai resident Sanvar Oberoi said he was near the Chhatrapati Shivaji railway station - one of the targets - when the attacks began.

"On hearing two loud distinct bomb sounds we rushed back home," he told BBC News.

"On our way back at Marine Drive, a long stretch of sea-facing road, we saw the deployment of a large police personnel and safety measures being carried out such as evacuations.

"We saw a team of ambulances and police vehicles racing past on the other side of the road.

"Even in the posh area of Nepeansea Road and Malabar Hill all apartment buildings' gates were tight shut and police check posts set up.

"Colleges and offices have announced that they are shut for tomorrow. The entire city is in panic and shock.

"Cell phone networks are down, slow, congested.

"Mumbai indeed has seen its share of terrorism but never in the past 18 years to such a large and bold extent."

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 04:58

Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan is begging for another Parakaram. Situation is getting out of control in Pakistan and they have no choice but to hit India to get a response out of GOI to deflect pressure on their western front. But as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for...

Not operation Parakram

We need Operation ASAL UTTAR!!!!!!Operation VIAY, Operation Safed Sagar....

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 04:59

CNN: India has a terrorist problem, its a fact....

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 27 Nov 2008 05:01

shots being heard around taj hotel. Blast heard.

One more terrorist dead.

NDTV

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 27 Nov 2008 05:02

2 years ago when 180 people died in Mumbai, someone's heart bled, and nothing happened.

Manmohini needs to forget his kada and wear chudis when he comes to Mumbai to commiserate with the latest victims of his nauch for the us/paki.

Thoo!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 05:03

Work is cut out for India's foreign affairs folks. The following are to come
1) Investment pullout
2) Tourism downtrend
3) Sports teams pulling out of India
4) Travel advisories
5) TSP saying equal equal
6) kashimir related whines and adivises from Irope

ajay_hk · Post by **ajay_hk** » 27 Nov 2008 05:03

NDTV reporting that firing has resumed at the Taj hotel. People still stuck inside.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 05:03

Cybaru wrote:shots being heard around taj hotel. Blast heard.

One more terrorist dead.

NDTV

From same source...Damage very high inside Taj Colaba...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Nov 2008 05:06

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Mandeep · Post by **Mandeep** » 27 Nov 2008 05:06

At this moment its important to show unity in the face of this latest terrorist outrage. I strongly advocate that BRites desist from posting irrelevant stuff. And please lets not have any more posts labeling all Muslims as terrorists.

Aditya_M · Post by **Aditya_M** » 27 Nov 2008 05:07

harbans - my sympathies with you in this hard time. Hope you find peace. And hope the ******** that killed her never do.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 05:07

Obama: We condemn terrorist attack in strongest terms...We stand by the people of India whose democracy will prevail over the hateful ideology of the terrorists....

Bush: We are wit India....

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Nov 2008 05:08

toll has gone up to 85.

ajay_hk · Post by **ajay_hk** » 27 Nov 2008 05:10

CNN-IBN reporting that 6 blasts occured in the Taj and 1 in Oberoi...

birju · Post by **birju** » 27 Nov 2008 05:12

the toll does not include the bodies still left in the hotels it is just a hospital count, god knows how many people are on those top floors.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 05:12

Rohan Gunaratna "International" terrorism expert....Attack was in Al-Qaeda style...well-financed, well-based and well-planned attack..would have taken several months of careful planning...group able to operate in spite of extensive efforts by Indian govt to penetrate the group (Deccan Mujahiddeen)

I am so glad to see no .303 rifle totting policemen through the course of this incident...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Nov 2008 05:13

Rohan Gunaratana on CNN, says this kind of operation is AQ styled carried out by Indian Mujaheddin. He believes only IM has the intention and capability to carry out such attacks.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 27 Nov 2008 05:14

edited.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 27 Nov 2008 05:14

Muppalla wrote:Work is cut out for India's foreign affairs folks. The following are to come
1) Investment pullout
2) Tourism downtrend
3) Sports teams pulling out of India
4) Travel advisories
5) TSP saying equal equal
6) kashimir related whines and adivises from Irope

Sad but true.

Investment pullout is already happening under various guises. The FDI levels may take a hit but given the west's serious econ crisis, its not as if there's capital waiting to rush in anyway.

Tourism? Well, as long as flights to India cost a ton, are always jam packed with travelling indians, can't say tourism hit is too big a deal. We'll unlikley get the PRC level of tourists for the next 2 decades anyway. We don't have the hospitality infra to handle that kinda load.

Sports teams pulling out? Yes. Likely. IPL's $$$ have been dented by security concerns now.

Travel advisories? keep happening anyway and its time Dilli develops the cojones to grin while bearing them. They'll lose teeth with time, will reduce one big source of videsi leverage against GoI and GoI will tolerate them only when it has no other option, like at present.

TSP? Time to ramp up the pi$$ process whilst sending quiet feelers that the indus basin could very well be desertified in the next 2 yrs....

J&K is not in any outside powers' hands to wrest away. Period. So == buffoonery can fool some ppl in yindia still, but its incresingly a hard sell.

Hey, JMTPs etc.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Nov 2008 05:14

^^^
true.

army commando badly injured.3 terrorists killed in taj, more still inside.
apparently they are trying to herd the remaining hostages in a central location.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 27 Nov 2008 05:15

Daniel cites police sources as saying the army commandoes are doing a systematic sweep of the hotel, lobbing grenades ahead of them to take out hidden dangers before securing each successive wing of the hotel.

Vikramaditya · Post by **Vikramaditya** » 27 Nov 2008 05:15

harbans wrote:My cousins close friend at Oberois was shot dead as she walked out from the reception after a grenade blast early on today. Cannot give more details here for obvious reasons. This is nothing but an assault on the Indian state.

heart felt sympathies harbans

vijyeta · Post by **vijyeta** » 27 Nov 2008 05:16

Yogi_G wrote:...I am so glad to see no .303 rifle totting policemen through the course of this incident...

I saw at least one on Times now pointing his .303 in the direction of the front entrance of the new Taj.....

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 27 Nov 2008 05:17

Vavinash,
Please take a break from posting on BR. You are not understanding what we are saying. While the terrorists are muslims, it is crucial we differentiate between ordinary muslim citizens and Islamic terrorist pigs.

Think of Dr. Abdul Kalam, Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan as well, when you think of muslims. There are several millions of muslims who are strong patriots.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 27 Nov 2008 05:20

vijyeta wrote:
Yogi_G wrote:...I am so glad to see no .303 rifle totting policemen through the course of this incident...
I saw at least one on Times now pointing his .303 in the direction of the front entrance of the new Taj.....

that shud scare them away now...sorry for the skeptical humour...

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 27 Nov 2008 05:22

Sorry to hear that Harbans. My sympathies are with you and her family.

Ujjal · Post by **Ujjal** » 27 Nov 2008 05:23

MSM is stressing that if India "jumps into a conclusion" too soon and considers taking some sort of action against TSP then it would be a nightmare for the Obama administration (OA).

It wouldn't be surprising to see OA pressuring India to keep things under the rug to save their "inexperienced" asses.