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The SUN, UK: Terrorists hit England hotel
ENGLAND’S cricket tour of India was thrown into doubt last night when terrorists attacked the Mumbai hotel Kevin Pietersen’s men will use for the Second Test. At least 80 people were said to be dead and more than 250 injured as explosions shook the Taj Mahal Palace hotel while numerous bombings and shootings were reported in coordinated attacks across the city.

Hostages, including Brits, were taken at the Taj and a bomb went off in the upper floors.

The England players were horrified by the news and are privately wondering if the tour is now in jeopardy.
Middlesex were due to check into the same hotel today but have pulled out of this morning’s flight.
They are supposed to be playing in the Champions League tournament but will take Foreign Office advice today and could cancel the trip.
KP’s team spent a week in the Taj at the start of the tour and were due to return on December 16.
England team spokesman Andrew Walpole said: “We will await developments.”

Middlesex captain Shaun Udal said: “I’m watching the situation unfold on TV.”
Daily Mail, UK: Mumbai massacre puts England's India tour in danger

Christian Today, Australia
GFA Leader Cries Out Against Mumbai Terrorist Attacks, Questions Cause
KERALA, India, – Gospel for Asia President K.P. Yohannan today lamented the terrorist attacks on India’s financial capital of Mumbai that have left some 80 people dead and more than 200 wounded, saying he has serious questions about who was behind the bloodshed.

In coordinated gun and grenade attacks, gunmen opened fire in at least seven locations, including the main train station, two luxury hotels, a restaurant frequented by foreigners and a hospital where wounded would be treated.

The terrorists have taken hostages, including Westerners, and Mumbai’s 105-year-old Taj Palace Hotel was in flames. Troops surrounded the Taj Palace and Oberoi hotels, where terrorists were holding hostages in the wake of the attacks.

Dr. Yohannan said that while news reports are blaming Islamic terrorists, he has doubts about who is truly behind the attacks.

“This is definitely a well-planned and executed incident to bring instability to the nation in the light of the national elections coming up,” he said. “But I have real reservations about placing blame on the Muslims.”

Dr. Yohannan pointed out that there have been at least eight major terrorist attacks within India this year, and all were initially attributed to Islamic terrorists.

“But upon further investigation, they all turned out to have been perpetrated by radical Hindu extremist groups led by radical priests,” he pointed out. “So until there is a complete investigation of these horrible attacks, I am not ready to blame the Muslims.


“Anyone can take a Muslim name for their group,” he noted.

Lending credence to the doubts was the fact that among those killed in the attacks was a leading anti-terrorism official who played a role in uncovering the Hindu connections to the previous attacks.

Regardless of the source, the attacks across the city once known as Bombay seemed to be aimed at foreigners, and multiple witnesses have reported that the terrorists were seeking out people with British or American passports.

“This is definitely going to scare foreign investment,” Dr. Yohannan noted, “and that is ultimately going to hurt the Dalits and others at the bottom of India’s caste system.

“Usually a nation has to remain in poverty for these extremists to keep their hold, and this could be a plot, because without foreign investment, the Dalits will remain in poverty.”

Dr. Yohannan also noted that attacks seeking out foreigners was completely contrary to Indian culture.

“India always treated foreigners with such respect and value,” he said. “This is totally against the nature of Indians. The question is, will this spread over all the country?

“We know that only the Gospel of Christ can change human hearts, regardless of caste, race or religion. That is why we must pray for India at this time.”
Speaking about 40 minutes from Mumbai, the GFA founder lamented, “I am deeply saddened over these inhumane, brutal acts of killing innocent people. My beautiful land is beautiful no more.”

Gospel for Asia is a mission organization sharing God’s love through both words and actions in the most unreached regions of the 10/40 Window. GFA serves the people of all these nations regardless of class, creed or religion, bringing Christ’s love to suffering humanity.
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Times Now reporting 4 sniper nests have been put up around the Taj.
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It has to be said that the society hasn't got it right when kids and mentally retarded abduls can bring down a city to its knees.

I think there will be a growing trend similar to the American school shootings here in our major cities in India where narcissistic abduls or assorted disenfranchised kids go on a suicidal mission to force the issue wishing to go down in a blaze of glory.

This predilection of certain abduls is evident from the photoshop efforts of one terrorist who couldn't wait to see his pretty mug on a most wanted poster.

Its time to device some preemptive strategies to put this to an end before more of them find this an attractive option to their miserable lives.
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Dmurphy wrote:
What on earth took them soooo long? Had it been Israel, his would have been long over and they would have been undertaking retaliatory attacks by F-16s.
Lets not blame the establishment here. Israel is much much smaller than India. And where do you think our version of F16 would attack? Taj Hotel!

Anyway, this indian lady Zain Verjee from IBN is constantly trying in CNN to say that "Hindu Extremists" might be involved even after that email from the group claiming responsibility is out in open. Main anchor though has ignored that. And another Deepak Chopra is giving excuses why certain groups have legitimate reason to act this way.
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Hey all --

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 85#p572485

We can discuss our opinions and analysis on this in the the TSP thread? I have posted a question there. We can discuss our response to this incident especially with regards to TSP....I guess the mods wud be ok with it........
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my thought is that marcos and army commandos are not trained in hostage rescue where you have to be very selective and discriminating.
they can do a pretty good job in killing everyone inside if need be, but avoiding shooting innocents in the melee is something perhaps only NSG
trains for.

good luck to all the hostages, poor fellows - hope they personally get a chance to slap our griha mantri if they make it through.

MMS's much feared 100 days anti-terror plan last all of 10 days
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“But upon further investigation, they all turned out to have been perpetrated by radical Hindu extremist groups led by radical priests,” he pointed out. “So until there is a complete investigation of these horrible attacks, I am not ready to blame the Muslims.

Shouldn't he have followed his own logic in "radical Hindu extremist" investigation.
Well, we can do all the talking here but the reality is whole word will point finger to Hindus and the army, at least they will whisper for sure. Now people will realize what UPA/ATS has done to our beloved country.
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The Chief Minister of Maharashtra was on TV.
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If the targets of the terrorists were Americans and Britons, I wonder why they attacked the railway station, the police station and a hospital?
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Singha wrote:my thought is that marcos and army commandos are not trained in hostage rescue where you have to be very selective and discriminating.
they can do a pretty good job in killing everyone inside if need be, but avoiding shooting innocents in the melee is something perhaps only NSG
trains for.

good luck to all the hostages, poor fellows - hope they personally get a chance to slap our griha mantri if they make it through.

MMS's much feared 100 days anti-terror plan last all of 10 days
marcos does train for hostage rescue.
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There is total lack of accountablitiy in the govt. They should have designated spokespeople. Even after the Jamia Nagar incident there was no spokesperson which led to media frenzy. the big problem is they dont kow which way the UPA will spin it so everyone is mum.

By now the Maharastra Cabinet Secy should have tasked his Home Ministry guys to be the spokeperson. Or the DIG of the police. I guess they already called the Army which means its out of control..

BTW Ashley Tellis was on NPR and the ususal nothings were stated.
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The fire at the Taj Hotel looks like it is really getting out of control on the roof now.
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This attack has the signature of ISI all over it. No IM, DM, or SIMI has the training or wherewithal to carry out such a coordinated attack.

Targeting the Taj hotel specifically is make it == to the Marriott, Islamabad.

The Paki/ ISI message with this attack is:

Hum to doobenge sanam, tum ko bhi le doobenge.

Another message is: "We have cells, with trained and ready operatives, in every city in your country. You Kaffirs act uppity, and we shall unleash hell all over your country."
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Manny wrote:I am usually mad with anger at these things.... But this time.. I am not. I am feeling down ...almost a defeatist attitude.

Its not the Islamists that have done it... Nope. I feel defeated by desis from the left and the Indian govenment who would again not do anything of substance!

This would just be chalked up as just another incident and desis would move on.

A country and people that doesn;t feel anything worth fighting for deserve nothing!

:(
exactly . Add a whole bunch of self goal specialists and we are looking at a tailspin . Sad sad sad days.
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Jeez,,NDTV shows the snipers deployed on Gateway of India
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the roof of the taj is wooden? there's tons of combustible false ceilings,
carpets and furnishings in there.

anyway lets not worry about the building which will be rebuilt with insurance money, but saving lives now.
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deepak chopra asked on tv where saudi petrodollars are going and what pakistan is exactly doing in finding terrorists. He then went off and said muslims should be protected from a likely fundamentalist hindu response.
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Deepak is on a roll. :)

He wants the Us to ask where is SA sending their monies. Pakis should ask how they can help India and India should ask Pakis for help. India should not chase IM down the street.

And, of course Obama has a great opportunity.

Wow. "Terror is a term you apply to the other." - Deepak Chopra, Nov, 2008

This guy is on a roll. A real roll.
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Manu wrote:All articles from Google Cache. No personal comments on any reports from me.

Christian Today, Australia
I don't know if personal comments are being allowed on this thread but I'll just stick my neck out.

From the above:
Dr. Yohannan pointed out that there have been at least eight major terrorist attacks within India this year, and all were initially attributed to Islamic terrorists.

But upon further investigation, they all turned out to have been perpetrated by radical Hindu extremist groups led by radical priests,” he pointed out. “So until there is a complete investigation of these horrible attacks, I am not ready to blame the Muslims.
The blame game has already started. Right now its the EJ crowd. Very soon that will percolate down to "political" commentators who populate newsrooms of the "world media" and very soon the Indian "secular" media will follow suit.

Sadly, I think this is exactly one of the objectives of all the pigs who have been planning terror attacks on India over the past decade. One decade of "hard" work on their part and things are finally happening according to their plans.

My heartfelt condolences to the people Mumbai. They've shown remarkable resilience in the past in shrugging off such setbacks which would traumatize most other cities. I'm sure they'll recover from this one too. And most importantly, if foreigners see that the locals are unafraid, they'll forget too.

I pray for everything to get alright asap.
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Dmurphy wrote:
What on earth took them soooo long? Had it been Israel, his would have been long over and they would have been undertaking retaliatory attacks by F-16s.
This is what happens when {The Mahdi was Here} . Israel and F-16s my {Gen. Pervez}.
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Warning not an analysis piece, but more like a rant from B Raman
How safe are our nuclear establishments? B Raman
I could not sleep the whole of last night. One question which kept bothering me again and again was: how safe are our nuclear establishments and material?

Till now, we were greeting with glee Pakistan's incompetence in dealing with terrorism. We can no longer do so. We have become as clueless as Pakistan.
why is he bringing in the nuclear safety now and resorting to scare mongering? Makes no sense to me. I can understand his shock and I hope he comes back with a clear analysis soon.
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Wow, FOX News streaming NDTV news, CNN streaming CNN-IBN news. Fox News and CNN are now fully devoted to this onlee. Instructions could have come to them. Larry King pondered for a moment why there is so much attention now, the answer given was not convincing. MSNBC notably not covering it now.
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Kakkaji wrote:This attack has the signature of ISI all over it. No IM, DM, or SIMI has the training or wherewithal to carry out such a coordinated attack.

Targeting the Taj hotel specifically is make it == to the Marriott, Islamabad.
This was exactly what I was thinking. In coming days, the paki opinions will equate the Marriott attacks with Taj. They will constantly drop references to equal tragedies and we will get dragged down to TSP level.
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SwamyG wrote:Deepak Chopra, on CNN, betraying India.

He states it is a global problem. He says it is opportunity for Obama. Reminds of Hindu fundamentalism in Gujarat.
But his later statements seem a bit redeeming. He said its not enough for TSP to condemn, but rather root out the scum it harbours. He also said its not enough for west to worry about westerners alone (that seems to be the tone of the coverage, only SDREs attacked till now, but suddenly us goras are also targetted), but should condemn the killing of every life by TSP scum.

But I agree, he was trying to be overly politically correct with his BS abou Hindu fundamentalism.
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Nayak, Dont. We will get a lot of responses like that. Noow is not the time to waste bandwidth.

Thanks, ramana
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kid on CNN from Turkey says that his parents were sent back into their rooms(in the Taj) and were assured by the terrorists that nothing will happen to them since they are muslims.
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rgsrini wrote:Warning not an analysis piece, but more like a rant from B Raman
How safe are our nuclear establishments? B Raman
I could not sleep the whole of last night. One question which kept bothering me again and again was: how safe are our nuclear establishments and material?

Till now, we were greeting with glee Pakistan's incompetence in dealing with terrorism. We can no longer do so. We have become as clueless as Pakistan.
why is he bringing in the nuclear safety now and resorting to scare mongering? Makes no sense to me. I can understand his shock and I hope he comes back with a clear analysis soon.
Hmmmmmmm.......

What next - Chandrayan in jeopardy?
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How will Godhra/Ayodhya references help, when the Pigs were demanding to kill Britishers/Americans ?

maybe we should start screaming about 1000000000000 troops torturing the Saudis or 10000000000 american/british troops r@ping the eyeraaaki wimmen ?
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Thank goodness our government officials here in the US don't speculate as wildly as our journalists do.

I hope for a safe ending to all of this.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1227739 ... lenews_wsj
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Why is NDTV showing location of snipers of the ongoing operation?
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If in the end, westerners are killed in large #s, and US does not shy away from the fact that its ally TSP is involved in this, I wonder of Hilary and Obama will peddle this Kashmir needs to be 'resolved' to appease TSP to round up "Al Quaeda"/Taliban in Afganisthan?
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Reuters Report
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - At least 86 people were killed in attacks by gunmen in India's commercial hub Mumbai and security forces began moving on two luxury hotels on Thursday where foreign hostages were being held, officials and witnesses said.

The attacks by small groups of gunmen armed with automatic weapons and grenades on the hotels and other sites in the city came amid state elections and risk destabilising the country ahead of national elections next year.

Following are analysts' reactions to the attacks:

ROBERT BROADFOOT, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC RISK CONSULTANCY (PERC) IN HONG KONG.

"This attack seems to me to have the hallmarks of one of the younger indigenous groups, the Indian Mujahedeen or one of their offshoots.
"This was a well-planned, carefully co-ordinated, almost army-style operation. It's very different from a set of indiscriminate suicide bombings. The style of this attack is very different, particularly the specific targeting of foreigners."

"India is not going to hell in a handbasket. The economy has a lot of depth. I certainly don't think that this attack is going to cripple or wreck the economy."

JOSEPH TAN, ASIA CHIEF ECONOMIST AT CREDIT SUISSE IN SINGAPORE:

"Clearly, it will be negative for the sentiment towards India at this point of time, the time when the world is already looking to be highly uncertain in term of its growth prospects.

"When the equity market actually opens, it could probably be opening down as opposed to the rest of Asia.

"Secondly, such terrorist attacks do not have a lasting impact on the market -- I don't think it will have a lasting impact on India.

"This will be negative for the rupee versus the dollar, but again I want to stress that the impact will be short-lived."
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How come phones are still working inside Taj? NDTV is talking to a Mr.Deepak inside Taj.
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Rohit_K wrote:kid on CNN from Turkey says that his parents were sent back into their rooms(in the Taj) and were assured by the terrorists that nothing will happen to them since they are muslims.
Hopefully this kind of comments will put paid to the attempt to say, "Oh were they really Muslim terrorists, afterall India is full of Hindu terrorists" and other such crap.
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Nayak wrote: This was exactly what I was thinking. In coming days, the paki opinions will equate the Marriott attacks with Taj. They will constantly drop references to equal tragedies and we will get dragged down to TSP level.
Actually your spot on. For example when and if Indian cricket team refuses to tour Pakistan, then Miandad will do his monkey jump and say India is also not safe so no cricketers should tour there as well.

Equal, equal.

Sigh!
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Why NSG caanot be kept ready in a cities and important locations like Mumbai ?

Everytime they have to fly down to a troubled spot - and people wait till the scores of people are killed and wounded (or it is a special tool of our politicos to tell - see we have despatched NSG?)

NSG could not reach amritsar in time when Kandahar Hijack happened, now we have NSG in mumbai while the Army & Navy commandos have done 70% of jobs.
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I think that an elaborate ruse has been built up in the last month or so to throw the scent off and then commit this horrible crime. It is now so easy to sow seeds of doubt as to who could have committed this crime. That was the plan and ISI is deeply involved in this.
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Just catch them alive.

Use chemical/biological weapons or whatever it takes.
The world cannot blame us and if at all they do, who cares?
Just catch them ALIVE.
It's important.

But OTOH i suspect that this shameless govt will negotiate.
There is no limit that this govt cannot cross.
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Don't know how true it is, but Stratfor says the boats are registered in Pakistan.
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