Terror Attacks in Mumbai

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 11:44

Man my blood is boiling listening to Barkha....

She says Pukes have offered hotline with intel chief and they fear the response from GoI due to domestic pressure... She says Pukes fear b'cos generally they are the fall guy when something like this happens in India
(Now, here is where my BP shot up )

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 11:46

lakshmic wrote:90-100 Israelis in Nariman house are hostages. This was revealed by three who escaped/let off. This is amazing, without intel/recce this would not have been possible.

Can you share the link/source for this please?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 11:47

milindc wrote:Man my blood is boiling listening to Barkha....

She says Pukes have offered hotline with intel chief and they fear the response from GoI due to domestic pressure... She says Pukes fear b'cos generally they are the fall guy when something like this happens in India
(Now, here is where my BP shot up )

Wasnt this Barkha the same one who covered Kargil ? the war where we made Pukes the fall guys due to our own internal domestic problem ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 11:48

Mathew G wrote:
lakshmic wrote:90-100 Israelis in Nariman house are hostages. This was revealed by three who escaped/let off. This is amazing, without intel/recce this would not have been possible.
Can you share the link/source for this please?

Video report on CNN

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:48

A reckless and a failed nation like Pakistan would see benefits in any reckless operation it can launch. Nothing more to lose.

Meanwhile, defence minister calls for emergency high-level meeting.

Mathew G · Post by **Mathew G** » 27 Nov 2008 11:49

KV Rao wrote:
pradeepe wrote:I still cant comprehend the ATS losses.

Looks like a Hail Mary from the ISI. Was there a trigger?

Isloo, Karachi and Pindi will have to burn for this.
Pakistani military/ISI strategic logic goes like this: Attack India and create a dangerous situation. Run to the US and tell them the situation is fraught with nuclear danger, and the danger can only go away if they make India give Kashmir to them.

Plus, they are institutionally incapable of thinking of alternate strategies. Just look at their response to the domestic upheavals they faced in the last two years--they kept trying the same failed tactics (kill, arrest, intimidate, grin ingratiatingly at the West, repeat) over and over again, and didn't have an alternate strategic framework to make adjustments with what passes for civil society over there. (Granted, it would be very hard to change any strategic framework just like that, even if you are not a corrupt military dictatorship.)

They did this with Kargil. It didnt' quite work. But now they sense a new opportunity with ambiguous statement on Kashmir coming from the US president-elect. They don't have any other strategy on the shelf, so they reach for the same old one, and hope that it will work this time, given different actors in Washington.

In the worst case, they would still have inflicted massive tactical damage on India, who has more and more to lose each day. They on the other hand, have little to lose.

A no-lose decision, if you are a Pakistani. Zardari making nice could have been a feint, or irrelevant wishful blathering by a president who ultimately doesn't control anything of strategic consequence anyway.

Great point of view. If the TSP/ISI is conclusively proven to be behind this; this may be their last stance before disintegrating into smaller mini states, ala Yugoslavia. In which case, India should react...scratch that..MUST react.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 27 Nov 2008 11:50

All channels are covering the Taj. No one's talking about hostages at the Nariman house.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:50

Paul Cruickshank NYU Center on Law and Security
Terrorists may be trying to decouple India from strategic alliance with US. Mentions it could be punishing US, UK and other countries for Iraq.

Barbara Star :
Intelligence agencies all over the world looking at this as a game changer. The size, communication, training, co-ordination etc. is very sophisticated. US/UK/Indian and other agencies would have to trace back and see who would have the capability.

Another anchor mentions.. LeT and its violent history. Connects LeT to Al Queda. Say Al Queda would love to distract Pakistan, if LeT were involved. (As if suggesting, Pakistan Army will get off Al Queda and go after somebody else)...

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 11:50

Koli folk being interviewed saying that the boats were piloted away after dropping off the terrorists at the landing point. A 'joint operation' between the LeT and the Pakistan Army if ones bothers to make that distinction.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:52

More NSG troops being ferried to Mumbai.

I won't be surprised if another city is also attacked now taking advantage of the situation in Mumbai.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Nov 2008 11:53

akumar wrote:Dorkette host at NDTV

“The cops has asked us not to reveal any details, but we know that Commandoes have taken up position as you can see in these visuals”

NDTV is showing close up shots of NSG sharpshooter inclding their faces. Just short of actually interviewing them.

Do these low life scum’s have any scruples left ?

There is no reason to not apply Defence of India Rules at this point.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 11:53

HT is doing a great service of connecting the India Mujahideen to today's attack. They are doing serious job for the first time. As per HT, they(TSP/ISI) used SIMI to do the side show at Jaipur, HYD, Ahmedabad ect., and after the side shows they performed they did the real dhamaka.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 11:55

a_kumar wrote:Intelligence agencies all over the world looking at this as a game changer. The size, communication, training, co-ordination etc. is very sophisticated. US/UK/Indian and other agencies would have to trace back and see who would have the capability.

The pigs had money, attacked during the night (instead of the usual morning/evening rush hour bomb attacks). I suspect these are not normal pigs, their plan might have been to shoot a few, set off a few bombs and disappear into the crowds. News reports of not wanting to take hostages also substantiate this. The op probably went downhill when they barricaded themselves into the hotels and it stretched on into the day.

These are not jihadi pigs of the local or international variety. They are the same "mujahiddeen" types who attacked us in Kargil.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Nov 2008 11:56

local informers or terrorists on R&R had done some proper scouting well in advance.

I will pay for 200 tubes of KY jelly and a taxi to wagah border for Ms Dutt.
is she a indian citizen? has anyone checked?

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 27 Nov 2008 11:56

just heard the pig talking on India TV. Definitely Pakjabi. His accent along with word choice are clear cut indicators.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 27 Nov 2008 11:59

Remember there were 2-3 separate cells involved in the 7/7 London attacks. If ISI had taken the effort and $ to do this, I doubt they just went for a one-night effort. Chances are we have another group from the boats ready to attack once this one dies down. Multiple attacks spanning days has exponential impact on panic and will bring the country's economic acitivities to a grinding halt for weeks.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 27 Nov 2008 11:59

With connections to the political circles, Barkha Dutt can lose common sense in the name of reporting. Vishnu Som has to come into BRF and make an explanation.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 11:59

Pakistan FM says that India should not quickly jump to conclusion. He also questions how can terrorists travel in a boat from Karachi to Mumbai ?

BTW, he also claims that Pakistan is equally affected by terror.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 27 Nov 2008 12:00

and a taxi to wagah border for Ms Dutt.
is she a indian citizen? has anyone checked?

Yes and probably a Hussaini Brahmin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussaini_Brahmin
The small Hussaini Brahmin sect, located mostly in Indian Punjab, also known as Dutts or Mohyals.

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Nov 2008 12:00

Jagan. how is calling come one Napunsak 'namecalling' ? if that is indeed the case we all resort to namecalling on BRF every other day.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Nov 2008 12:01

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan FM says that India should not quickly jump to conclusion. He also questions how can terrorists travel in a boat from Karachi to Mumbai ?

I dont know. But guess one can travel from Mumbai to Karachi in a boat. Missile boat to be exact. We tried it out once.

Vivek Sreenivasan · Post by **Vivek Sreenivasan** » 27 Nov 2008 12:02

Talk about bad timing, MMS was just talking 2 days ago about how another major terrorist attack MUST be prevented because it will undermine people's confidence in the ability of the government to protect them. Now this happens. I think peoples confidence have been full and truly undermined now.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Nov 2008 12:02

I was near a Paki restaurant trying to find out what was the topic of discussion.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Nov 2008 12:02

Pakistani FM question> Simple transport arranged by Paki miltary

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Nov 2008 12:02

Cant the I&B minstry talk to the owners and revoke the TV license for Barkha's barking up the worng tree. And making up info. The Minster is sayng no negotiaitions. Why is she reporting contrary position? Is she trying to undermine the state during hostage situation? Freedom of press is one thing but propoganda is another thing.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Nov 2008 12:02

So far, I haven't seen anyone commenting on the unique depravity of these terrorists in attacking hospitals. They did this in Gujarat this year, as well.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 12:03

I hope to be proved wrong. From what TimesNow is reporting, it seems there has been some massacre within Taj by the terrorists.

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Nov 2008 12:04

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan FM says that India should not quickly jump to conclusion. He also questions how can terrorists travel in a boat from Karachi to Mumbai ?

BTW, he also claims that Pakistan is equally affected by terror.

By boat. In other circumstances, their lack of empathy and vacuous statement would have been hilarious. Now they are even below contempt.

Anyway, latest update on the rediff page ...

12:14 PM: At least four terrorists are holed up in the Taj Hotel where 40 to 50 guests were still trapped, says Major R K Hooda, General Officer Commanding of Maharashtra, Goa [Images] and Gujarat. Two bodies have been brought out of the Taj Hotel and taken away in an ambulance.

11:25 AM: Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister R R Patil has said that there can be 10 to 12 terrorists involved in the terror attack inside Taj Hotel. Five of them have been killed and one of them arrested, he told media persons outside the hotel as security forces prepared to launch an assault to end the terror.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 27 Nov 2008 12:04

Times Now reporting terrorists are armed with HK MP5 SMGs. Guess who makes those in this part of the world.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 27 Nov 2008 12:04

The cabal has the family the in its core. The scion is the hope. He should go and the cabal breaks down.

I dont expect this message to last. I dont care!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2008 12:05

Terrorists have been using MP5 guns

Raja · Post by **Raja** » 27 Nov 2008 12:07

KV Rao wrote:
pradeepe wrote: But now they sense a new opportunity with ambiguous statement on Kashmir coming from the US president-elect.

Boss, this took a long time in planning. It was not cooked up in few weeks. It was going down regardless of the outcome of the US elections.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Nov 2008 12:07

CNN Intl was showing those bodies being taken away in ambulances. The anchor of Indian origin wanted to know who they were? I guess baad me gaya privacy etc. female dog.

MP5 arent they RATS standard issue? That explains the BPJ failure.

Praveen · Post by **Praveen** » 27 Nov 2008 12:08

How the hell are ppl allowed to go near back of the TAJ hotel? Is anyone in control of the situations?

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 27 Nov 2008 12:09

ramana wrote: amol.p, maybe you didnt have the right training. these are fedayeen killers trained in TSP camps. And probably Razakar pathan progeny from the sad ullah's rantings.

Ramana,

Some of us are intimately aware of the inner goings on in the IB. The IB has quickly established that these are Pakistan LET folks. I will like to say that I remain skeptical of this claim. Sure some of the terrorists may actually be Pakis, no doubt.

It can *NEVER* be a fully foreign operation. The meticulous planning, the targeting of Jewish homes, the ins and outs of the Hotels - all have been studies before by *locals*.

And as in Delhi (Previous Diwali Blasts), we know that when some of the pigs escape, which "localities" they hide in, who provides them food, clothing, shelter, and safety so they can slip away, undetected to fight another day.

Forgive my language, but I can bet both my testimonials that as I write this at least some of the escapees are, at this very moment, hiding in Nagpada, Agripada, Dongri and or near Mohammed. Ali Road. These areas are "no-go" areas for everybody else.

The only difference is that the Terrorists have finally given up on the anonymous method of placing RDX in Dustbins in crowded markets. That was not having the desired results and was not creating mass fear. The poor have to work, they have no choice. Politicians have very tight security around them. That leaves only the movers and shakers (with foreigners among them) as obvious targets. The prognosis, is indeed, grim. Unless there are targeted assassinations of ISI folks, this will keep happening. The ostrich approach can not and will not work.

And I will also say this - not out of graciousness - this is NOT the fault of the police, they did the very best they could, under the circumstances. The rot starts at the top of the GOI administration. They do as they are told.

The media reports that 16 + Policemen are already dead (not counting the casualties of the other security forces). The death toll, when it finally comes out, will be close to 500.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 27 Nov 2008 12:10

UTVi: 2 US intelligence officers amongst the dead

armenon · Post by **armenon** » 27 Nov 2008 12:10

SSridhar wrote:Terrorists have been using MP5 guns

Yes.. it is a message for us. It is our turn now.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 27 Nov 2008 12:11

Did not Putin respond immediately by flying back?
How come GoI cannot drive to work faster than that?
Or are they waiting to take advantage of this situation and declare emergency and forget about loosing in elections?

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 27 Nov 2008 12:11

SSridhar wrote:I hope to be proved wrong. From what TimesNow is reporting, it seems there has been some massacre within Taj by the terrorists.

In both the hotels, once things clear, we have to deal with Massacre.
The scums had huge number of Grenades available.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Nov 2008 12:12

Manu,
That was accurate and best post in these circumstances.