Terror Attacks on Mumbai-II

niran · Post by **niran** » 28 Nov 2008 10:13

Have patience folks. The role is reversed now.
NSG is the Hunter, they will observe and wait for
the moment.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 10:15

Bijushet, nothing is gonna happen. Sad but true. Did you see the statement given by our respected PM ?
Does it inspire any confidence ? That guy did not even mention 'Pakistan'.

Most probably we will have a joint commission enquiry committee set up with our neighbours foreign office.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2008 10:15

no impact so far on stick market. up +200 in 1st hr.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 28 Nov 2008 10:17

As emotionally distraught we all are, PLEASE..restrain and use the anger in collecting information on the snake oil salesmen on media (who is spreading what propoganda)...try and see who is picking up the same lines from where..who are the the good guys reporting the good stuff

this is a good time to find out enemies and friends. SwamyGs thread is also a very good place to document a lot of things.

Please collect more information before the spin takes over, if it hasn't already.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 28 Nov 2008 10:17

I gotta post this again folks. Be on guard against CNN type propaganda.

i notice 3 trends in some segment of the western media :

1) a strong attempt to portray the terrorists as being local to India. Check out article : "Clues suggest homegrown terrorists in India attack" where the contributing author is one Muneeza Naqvi (sounds pakistani) and no real Indian journalist.

2) Ignorant "terrorism experts" and "analysts" around the world giving their views and passing it off as fact. Most probably never even set foot in India in their life.

3) an attempt to differentiate between an al-queda terrorist attack from this attack. The message being that an al-queda attack only happens in a western country which is terrorism. if it happens in another country, its not an al-queda attack and not really terrorism.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Nov 2008 10:20

Singha wrote:being hotels there is no real headcount on who was there just eating or visiting when this
happened. the hotel record might show who was a guest, but many of these guests ran away and decamped for home countries with shirts on backs without being debriefed or checked off on a list.
I hope the immigration desk at all airports have been asked to seek info if anyone was there,
and record their names.

cant have some guys coming back later and demanding to know where their folks are.

All these guys are being video graphed by multiple concerned agencies as well as the hotel staff are identifying hotel guests to the agencies as they come out individually escorted.
For sure, all relevant details are being recorded to prevent porkies from mingling with the "hostages" and walking out.
The press is at a distance and interview these "hostages" after all these formalities have been done.
Note how they all say that they have been asked not to speak to the press.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2008 10:21

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/wo ... .chaos.cnn

I cannot turn the audio on here, can anyone tell me what this was about.
note the subaltern looking du/jnu female assistant to the right of the main reporter.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 28 Nov 2008 10:21

I have power cut where I am now. Any updates on the storming of Nariman house? and the Taj?

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 10:22

PM, Patil and Sonia in Mumbai; take stock

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/st ... 0080074394

Press Trust of India
Thursday, November 27, 2008, (Mumbai)
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday night held a high-level meeting in Mumbai to review the situation in the city in the wake of the attacks as security operations continued to flush out terrorists holed up on two luxury hotels.

Singh, who along with UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and Home Minister Shivraj Patil undertook a whirlwind tour of Mumbai, held the meeting with Maharashtra Governor S C Jamir and Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh.

National Security Adviser M K Narayanan, top state government and police officials of Maharashtra, senior officials of army, paramilitary and intelligence officials were also present at the meeting.

The Prime Minister was apprised about the details of the attack as well as updated about the latest situation.

The meeting discussed immediate steps as also long term measures to be taken to ensure that such incidents don't recur.

Prior to the meeting, Singh, Gandhi and Patil went to the JJ Hospital to enquire about the condition of those injured in the attacks.

Rediff mentions Amar Singh was also present in the team visiting the hospital.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Nov 2008 10:25

Singha: The gist was that the people did not like her reporting from there. The audio is not very clear.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 28 Nov 2008 10:25

Gus wrote:I have power cut where I am now. Any updates on the storming of Nariman house? and the Taj?

They started clearing out news of some women and childrens trapped inside

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Nov 2008 10:25

Times Now is reporting that hostages are being released from Oberoi as I write. Almost 30 of them were released with all of them being European, Philipino etc.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 28 Nov 2008 10:26

Raju wrote:Times Now is reporting that hostages are being released from Oberoi as I write. Almost 30 of them were released with all of them being European, Philipino etc.

From where I can get live streams?

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Nov 2008 10:27

NDTV seems to have muted Barkha Dutt .. she is still animatedly talking into the camera but no one is listening.
without makeup and proper rest she is also looking pretty hideous.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 28 Nov 2008 10:27

Nayak wrote:Bijushet, nothing is gonna happen. Sad but true. Did you see the statement given by our respected PM ?
Does it inspire any confidence ? That guy did not even mention 'Pakistan'.

Most probably we will have a joint commission enquiry committee set up with our neighbours foreign office.

At the very least in 6 months the electorate will exercise their fundamental right. If the current GoI has nothing to show for this outrage then I trust my billion brothers and sisters to show their disgust.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 28 Nov 2008 10:27

From where I can get live streams?

http://www.idesitv.com

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Nov 2008 10:28

Nitesh wrote:
Raju wrote:Times Now is reporting that hostages are being released from Oberoi as I write. Almost 30 of them were released with all of them being European, Philipino etc.
From where I can get live streams?

try yesterday's link someone posted in Part I of this thread, around the last pages.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Nov 2008 10:28

Live streams: http://www.idesitv.com

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 28 Nov 2008 10:29

amit wrote:I have a feeling the Kiyani and the Paki Army is dying to have another Parakram type situation.
What could all the that mean? I reckon there's two possibilities and neither are good for India:

a) Kiyani wants a Parakram II knowing fully well that the Americans....

Any comments anyone?

Amit,
I think pukes barely have resources for a week's standoff.
This time no Parakram crap, just bomb infrastructure and wait for Puke response.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 28 Nov 2008 10:30

Rahul M wrote:GJ, I was talking about these guys.
Purush wrote:Who are these soldiers with AKs? (JPEG title says 'army'). Is it IA or RAF?

These would be the men from Maharashtra Police's commando wing. AFAIK, they have some armed police battalions which have got some level of commando training. There also used to be a specific Mumbai Police commando team (who wore black uniforms), but these two chaps seems to be from Maharashtra Armed Police battalions only. A more better word would be "Police commandos".

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 28 Nov 2008 10:30

My dear fellow BRFites,

I have been deeply pained since the developments of the night of 26th November. Now is the time for us Indians atleast the ones who frequent this website to show that we don't ust talk the talk but, walk the walk too.

Can the admins setup some type of a payment system where we can donate funds to the bereaved families of the soldiers, policemen who bravely laid down their lives. I believe something like paypal would be the easiest thing to do.

I don't know if this the right thread to initiate such a request but, I firmly believe that the Govt./Politicians while making huge announcements will not pay heed to their promises as has been proven time and again. It is time for us fellow countrymen to do something for our fellow citizens and ensure that their sacrifice will never be forgotten.

Admins, if this is not the right place to discuss this plea, please move or delete this post.

Humbly yours,
An Indian

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 28 Nov 2008 10:33

Still no word from the Indian hostages in the Trident. My fiance's cousin and her husband were in the Trident for dinner at the Tiffin. No word from them yet. We're on our way there now.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 28 Nov 2008 10:36

Terrorists did recee, set up control rooms in luxury hotels
And the hospital staff didn't get a hint?[

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 28 Nov 2008 10:36

amit wrote:I have a feeling the Kiyani and the Paki Army is dying to have another Parakram type situation. The Kabul Embassy bombing was done without bothering to hide the ISI imprint. And this time the terrorists came via the sea route and started taking hostages and doing a shootout. Surely the planners anticipated that a few could be/would be caught alive and direct complicity of the Pukes will be there for everyone to see?

What could all the that mean? I reckon there's two possibilities and neither are good for India:

a) Kiyani wants a Parakram II knowing fully well that the Americans, with their exposure in Afghanistan will never allow a hot war to ensure. Yet Kiyani gets an excuse to pull out of FATA and concentrate his troops where they feel most comfortable that is the eastern border. Going by Parakram, even if there's no shooting war, the standoff would go on for at least six months or so, sufficient time for the Taleban to recoupe.

b) The second point could be what Samit Ganguly has mentioned. The Indian leadership has built up such an effeminate of itself and the country that Kiyani doesn't care what the Indian reaction would be, confident of being able to handle the consequences.

Any comments anyone?

I posted a reply in the response thread.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Nov 2008 10:36

GOC Western Region is talking. There could be two more terrorists in TAJ. There are NSG casualties and he is not interested in disclosing the number to decline the morale boost to Terror.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 10:37

Lt. Gen Thamburaj says that one (may be two) terrorists are still there in the dance floor possibly holding up some hostages ( I guess it is in the Heritage bldg) because the Lt. Gen said the New Bldg is cleared. He is specifically saying that a lady and a gentleman are with the terrorist as hostages and there could be more. Some guests are not opening their doors for fear even after identification by the NSG but the NSG is leaving these rooms after ascertaining they are civilians.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 10:40

Any updates on the situation people ?

ShakilAnam · Post by **ShakilAnam** » 28 Nov 2008 10:41

It's in bad taste to turn such a tragic incident into a matter of politically-motivated speculations. The most important thing to be done at the moment is for all the security forces of India and of the neighboring countries to launch country-wide anti-terror operations to make sure the terror masterminds are trapped and their escape routes are blocked.

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PS: SSridhar, I follow the forum rules while posting in threads. You may not accept my opinions, but that doesn`t necessarily make them wrong.
Regards,
Shakil

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 28 Nov 2008 10:43

Rediff: 30 hostages rescued from Trident!

But i have feeling its those people who had locked themselves inside their rooms, coming out. If the real hostages come out, they will come out in one go.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 10:43

You are skating on very thin ice here bee-dee-duggay. Just keep your techni-coloured-lungi out of this thread.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2008 10:44

seems like "trident" has two parts - one trident and one oberoi.
the trident per army is sanitized now, but 2+ terrorists holed up in 8th floor of "oberoi part" and firing periodically. and they have started a fire also.

I think its time we dropped people on the roof to work their
way down and sandwich them.

admins, could this new Paki be shown the door. no food,
no meat, no water - only torn tents and american drones
in pakistan. go back and lurk there.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2008 10:47

ShakilAnam wrote It's in bad taste to turn such a tragic incident into a matter of politically-motivated speculations. The most important thing to be done at the moment is for all the security forces of India and of the neighboring countries to launch country-wide anti-terror operations to make sure the terror masterminds are trapped and their escape routes are blocked.

these are Gujarati Riot victims taking revenge

Back to old tricks eh?? Please tell why would riot victims target the TAJ and not the rioters, who assigned the targets.

Where did they have miltary training happen, where did they procure weapons,how did they vast sums of money for the operation, why are they speking in Pakistani Punjabi speech???

Just a few questions before you BD brain overloads

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Nov 2008 10:48

sonam_kapadia wrote:I was in Mumbai in 2006 and was aghast that the city prided itself on bouncing back the next day. There is no honour in boucing back..you have to be angry, grive and take the sternest action againt the criminals. Let them know that they will feel the full might of the state on the if they violate our life and our property.

Sonam,

A very good point. We Indians have a wrong of sense of pride.

The world laughs at us when we say were so resilient that we get back to our feet resolutely and then wait for the next attack. This just another form of putting out your other cheek after a slap.

It just makes the Pigs more bold.

The only way to counter this is to respond irrationally and wildly. That's the only way to instill fear in the bas#%#ds and their masters.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 10:48

Folks, pl don't fall for such flame baits.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 28 Nov 2008 10:49

ShakilAnam wrote:It's in bad taste

someone wake me up when its ok to **, ***, and **** such trolls.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Nov 2008 10:50

The Fire officer of Mumbai is talking about the operational difficulties at Nariman building. He is also mentioning that his team is wearing bullet proof aprons for the first time while doing the fire rescue ops.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Nov 2008 10:51

Sorry Sridhar, but it is soo easy to answer the question. Rather than getting worked up please ask whoever who asks the question a few elementary questions and well will see them run for cover

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 10:54

Aditya_V wrote:Sorry Sridhar, but it is soo easy to answer the question. Rather than getting worked up please ask whoever who asks the question a few elementary questions and well will see them run for cover

Aditya, I haven't edited your reply. However, I don't want others to go in tangential directions. That was my intent.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Nov 2008 10:55

Times Now reported that the 3 month baby was rescued. It was surprising when the reporter added they did not know whose baby it was, and yet some adult was carrying the baby. Hope the authorities have a handle on it. What are the steps of hostage debriefing?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Nov 2008 10:56

Notes to IT folks

Meanwhile, foreign nationals working for various firms in the city said they weren't perturbed by the Mumbai terror attacks. "I don't feel scared because it wasn't only foreigners but even Indians who were killed in this tragic incident,'' says Patrick Dempsey, a US national working in Hyderabad for the last three years. He says he is all set to attend a conference on Friday in a five-star hotel.