Terror Attacks on Mumbai-II

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 14:49

What is the situation at Nariman Point ?

Are the hostage safe ?

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 Nov 2008 14:50

Fresh firing has been reported at Nariman point per NDTV.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Nov 2008 14:50

Dmurphy wrote:On a serious note, a storm is coming!

Not at all. Just as in the past a few tough sounding words before going malai-like soft later and sympathising that both countries are victims of terror.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 14:51

Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 28 Nov 2008 14:52

Rahul Shukla wrote:Fresh firing has been reported at Nariman point per NDTV.

Rahul/ Nayak...

Please be specific. Its either Nariman Building or Oberoi/Tirdent hotel located at Nariman point.

Arya Sumantra · Post by **Arya Sumantra** » 28 Nov 2008 14:55

Rahul Shukla wrote:Fresh firing has been reported at Nariman point per NDTV.

Don't confuse between Nariman point and Nariman House. BTW Nariman House is now called Chabad house since 2 years according to Haaretz since the Chabad group bought over the building.

Harish · Post by **Harish** » 28 Nov 2008 14:55

A bunch of 15-20 terrorists managing to kill just 125+ is not a good kill rate. If they had stood at one or two spots and fired away, they would have killed many, many more - perhaps a couple of thousand. Seriously. Mumbai is crowded enough for that to be possible. Too easy, in fact.

But instead they chose to storm hotels, take hostages and keep themselves alive to face the inevitable assault by army commandos. They didn't seem to have any demands either.

Importantly, they did not go after the BARC either. A group of 15-20 mounting a surprise attack could have possibly breached security in and around BARC. I am not sure how well-defended the site is. But then the CRPF camp in Kashmir was also defended like a fortress with jawans all over the place with access to some serious ammunition and weapons.

Till date, this is the first such attack where the terrorists have exposed themselves to the world and stood their ground for a fight. BARC would have probably been unprepared for a serious assualt of this nature.

So what happened and what didn't happen both signal that the attack was intended to be high-profile, cause serious damage to economic infrastructure and result in further erosion of political strength and international standing. But not great enough to cause India actually do something. After all India has been happy to absorb 100-200 dead every few months or so.

The hotel standoff probably means that the jehadis could not mount a serious strike with enough RDX to penetrate these locations and cause deaths. So they chose the hard way out, manually targetting Westerners and Israelis and killing many birds with one stone. I dont agree that the terrorists were blundering idiots because they didnt manage to kill very many. All terror attacks have to be calibrated and kept under tolerable thresholds. You dont want an elephant thrashing about near you, howsoever impotent you know the elephant to be.

I dont believe this will fundamentally change anything. India being India, will be happy to swallow this carnage and get on with life. We Mumbaikars are bloody resilient onlee...

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Nov 2008 14:56

Zardari has just phoned MMS and said "non-state" actors may be involved.

Which means he's admitted that Pakis were involved. That's significant IMHO.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 14:56

Times Now
NSG clears one wing of Taj of terrorists.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 28 Nov 2008 14:58

Indian Media apparently unaware that the NSG Special Action Group is composed entirely of Army officers and Jawans.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 14:59

UK papers are full of reports that some of the pigs were british-born pakis !!

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/worl ... ts-UK.html

British-born Pakistanis were among the Mumbai terrorists, Indian government sources confirmed today.

The two Britons were captured with eight others after commandos stormed two hotels and a Jewish centre to free hostages.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 15:00

Sorry, I was talking about the hostage situation at Nariman House.

Sai · Post by **Sai** » 28 Nov 2008 15:00

Nesoj wrote:NDTV - Breaking News

Police Chief - reports that 2 Commandos killed - 1 at Nariman, 1 at Taj

Nariman: is this one of those commandos we saw descending on to the building from a chopper? To think he was alive as of this morning ..

May their souls rest in peace, and I hope their families will be well taken care of.

Abhijit N · Post by **Abhijit N** » 28 Nov 2008 15:01

Times Now
NSG clears one wing of Taj of terrorists.

Does that include the pig lobbing grenades inside Taj ?

Thanks for continuous posting guys, Internet slow due to flooding here in Chennai

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Nov 2008 15:04

ASPuar wrote:Indian Media apparently unaware that the NSG Special Action Group is composed entirely of Army officers and Jawans.

why do you think so ?

Nariman: is this one of those commandos we saw descending on to the building from a chopper? To think he was alive as of this morning ..

May their souls rest in peace, and I hope their families will be well taken care of.

rest assured, amar singh, teesta svetalavad and a roy will see to that.

the families should consider themselves lucky if they are not hauled to court for harbouring a hindu terrorist.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 Nov 2008 15:05

Per IBN Live host, the explosions at Taj were due to NSG mop-up operations and do not necessarily imply that terrorists are still inside.

Arya, I'm pretty sure the ticker said "point" but I'll confirm if I see the ticker again.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 28 Nov 2008 15:05

Abhijit N wrote:Does that include the pig lobbing grenades inside Taj ?

IMHO, all pigs are doing that

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Nov 2008 15:07

one ex NSG man said in a bengali channel that stun grenades are standard Op procedure for NSG.

the explosions are most likely from that.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 Nov 2008 15:07

Ok, I might have messed up...

Tickers on both NDTV and IBN Live say firing is on at Nariman House.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 15:07

amit wrote:Zardari has just phoned MMS and said "non-state" actors may be involved.

Which means he's admitted that Pakis were involved. That's significant IMHO.

Source amit-dada !!

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 28 Nov 2008 15:08

chetak wrote:
SSridhar wrote:MMS is asking Gilani to send ISI chief to Delhi
He will arrive with the usual jehadi stock of dry fruits for sustained operations.
Our dhimi ELM media will give him all the TV time for his propaganda war.

There is a time for talk and there is a time for something stronger. Mush was lionised by our news-men, they will do so to the ISI chief too. Gilani is a puppet, and Zardari has no power. MMS can not talk to either without showing his own weakness.
Gautam

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 15:08

Abhijit N wrote:
Times Now
NSG clears one wing of Taj of terrorists.
Does that include the pig lobbing grenades inside Taj ?

Thanks for continuous posting guys, Internet slow due to flooding here in Chennai

Not sure Abhijit. The piglets seem to be holed up on the first floor.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Nov 2008 15:08

Harish wrote:A bunch of 15-20 terrorists managing to kill just 125+ is not a good kill rate. If they had stood at one or two spots and fired away, they would have killed many, many more - perhaps a couple of thousand. Seriously. Mumbai is crowded enough for that to be possible. Too easy, in fact.

But instead they chose to storm hotels, take hostages and keep themselves alive to face the inevitable assault by army commandos. They didn't seem to have any demands either.

Importantly, they did not go after the BARC either. A group of 15-20 mounting a surprise attack could have possibly breached security in and around BARC. I am not sure how well-defended the site is. But then the CRPF camp in Kashmir was also defended like a fortress with jawans all over the place with access to some serious ammunition and weapons.

Till date, this is the first such attack where the terrorists have exposed themselves to the world and stood their ground for a fight. BARC would have probably been unprepared for a serious assualt of this nature.

So what happened and what didn't happen both signal that the attack was intended to be high-profile, cause serious damage to economic infrastructure and result in further erosion of political strength and international standing. But not great enough to cause India actually do something. After all India has been happy to absorb 100-200 dead every few months or so.

The hotel standoff probably means that the jehadis could not mount a serious strike with enough RDX to penetrate these locations and cause deaths. So they chose the hard way out, manually targetting Westerners and Israelis and killing many birds with one stone. I dont agree that the terrorists were blundering idiots because they didnt manage to kill very many. All terror attacks have to be calibrated and kept under tolerable thresholds. You dont want an elephant thrashing about near you, howsoever impotent you know the elephant to be.

I dont believe this will fundamentally change anything. India being India, will be happy to swallow this carnage and get on with life. We Mumbaikars are bloody resilient onlee...

They have got global TV coverage for little cost.
The TRPs are through the roof.
This is exactly what they wanted.
This is what they have got.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 15:09

Times Now
Cable and satellite TV has been restored in Mumbai.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 15:09

Gilani has agreed to send the ISI chief to India

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 15:09

Hats off to the NSG guys. They have surpassed the confidence the public had in these guys.

After this NSG/MARCOS will be able to write a hardcore manual on hostage-rescue ops.

Hopefully they share this with their yehoodi counterparts and make it even better.

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 28 Nov 2008 15:11

modi visited hemant karkare home
said entire country feels their pain
announced RS 1 cr. for every fallen jawan/police

india should start with a blocade of karachi

another minor angle, paki/ISI were fuminig over no teams visiting pak for cricket, and they wanted same situation
in india among other reasons

paki/ISI want to divert attention from their utter failure
in NWFP, balochistan, etc etc

paki/ISI want to harm indian economy because they
themselves are becoming a failed state, failed governance,
failed culture, failed religion, failed society, failed education,
failed economy,

they can't accept india progress if they are failing

they remember 1971 and want to keep hurting india
until india responds strongly and fries few hundred thousand
pakis

long live india - long live bombay

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 28 Nov 2008 15:11

India's political leadership to blame: Wall Street Journal
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/indias-polit ... 270-2.html

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 15:12

Can the kicka$$ combo team of Mayuri CA and Mahroof Raza-sir do a special segment on NSG ops ?

Will satisfy the lust of some jingoes and send out a message to Pindi pigs what to expect in the future.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 15:14

Times Now
Commandos are engaging enemy at Nariman house. Explosions heard and smoke seen coming out of the third floor.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Nov 2008 15:17

IBN: 2 terrorists killed in oberoi. 24 bodies recovered from stairs.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 28 Nov 2008 15:19

SSridhar wrote:Gilani has agreed to send the ISI chief to India

Kiyani is coming with him as per times now.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 28 Nov 2008 15:20

Wow!!
TimesNow ticker

Kiya-nahi will accompany ISI chief to India.

This is something, I guess it is done assuage the angry crowd and then go with slogan 'pukes are also victims' like us. Lets give away Cashmere valley

Nesoj · Post by **Nesoj** » 28 Nov 2008 15:52

Food (Dry Fruits) were recovered from the rucksacks of the terrorists - which means they were 'not expecting' to die but come out live victorious.
Also, in case they were on a suicide mission - they would have killed as many as possible and then killed themselves.

What were they expecting to achieve ? Have they made any demands or negotiating (other than yesterdays statement) - any info ????

Again on another note, why is the NDTV reporter at the Taj, reporting while lying on the floor ? when the camera clearly shows people in front of him (nearer to building) walking around. The guy looks STUPID lying on the floor and speaking on the mike, trying to act as if he is 50 mts from the building and someone is shooting at him

Abhijit N · Post by **Abhijit N** » 28 Nov 2008 15:54

Commandos are engaging enemy at Nariman house. Explosions heard and smoke seen coming out of the third floor.

Any news about Nariman House Hari......are the pigs porked yet ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2008 15:55

wrt to the Mushrador-2 visit:
fellow sufferers of terrorism, expect the ndtv types to go ballistic and start throwing their panties and bras on the stage when the rock stars arrive onstage. you'd need a good squad of police to keep their mewling and oohing under control.

Nayak, its important for SAG, Marcos, para cdo not to expose themselves to the media and be even more secretive "Vympel" type units, often using civilian clothes and hairstyles. thats the path I'd like to see.

let the alums of the western SF write books and publish photos in superb "blackhawk down" type gear.

selectively a few masked photos or film clips with a distorted boomy
rogue warrior voice could be leaked and then for psyops but thats all.

Sai · Post by **Sai** » 28 Nov 2008 15:58

Nesoj wrote:
Again on another note, why is the NDTV reporter at the Taj, reporting while lying on the floor ? when the camera clearly shows people in front of him (nearer to building) walking around. The guy looks STUPID lying on the floor and speaking on the mike, trying to act as if he is 50 mts from the building and someone is shooting at him

I think these media types are putting on a show to tell us that they are risking their lives to bring us news.

Arya Sumantra · Post by **Arya Sumantra** » 28 Nov 2008 16:10

Someone here posted about a missing ToI editor's details and raised suspicions about her.
Here it is
Times of India editor Sabina was at Taj, still missing

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 28 Nov 2008 16:10

http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/27mu ... s-shot.htm

Ok, I realize that the apparatus we have for emergency care is pathetic in terms of ambulances etc. I can understand that. But this is shameful: the guy is shot, goes to a hospital on his own and asks for help and the hospital refuses treatment on account of a gun shot wound?

This is insane. I know there are laws regarding this, but its a stupid law. The days of doctors and Hippocratic oath are long gone, I know, but to tell the guy please go away when shot on his own is the height of callousness.

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 28 Nov 2008 16:12

This is absolutely ridiculous... CNN IBN is reporting that army snipers are being called in to check movement in the old Taj's first floor. Someone please remove these idiots from the area...