Terror Attacks on Mumbai-II

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Nov 2008 02:20

Folks it will be nice IF you can put anything you cut and paste from web site be placed in quotes (by selecting the Quote button).

Otherwise the post becomes very difficult to read.

Thx.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 02:23

Is Taj cleared of all hostages? or we still have them to be rescued? if its only the pigs that we are fighting there, then better smoke them out.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 29 Nov 2008 02:27

TimesNow
Operation still going on in Taj. Same old message flashing on TimesNow for a while now.

Admin note: please spare us the rants - there is a seperate thread for it and this is not one

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Nov 2008 02:28

US Muslim outfit cautions India over retaliation

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) – the largest Muslim rights group in the US and Canada – while condemning the Mumbai terrorist attacks asked the Indian government to protect its citizens from the type of retaliatory attacks that have followed similar incidents in the past.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 29 Nov 2008 02:29

Burkha Dutt and their coharts @ NDTV will be disappointed, so does the other WKK types. MMS needs to find another reason to do nothing.

George J wrote:TIMES NOW Ticker: ISI Chief NOT coming to India.

disha · Post by **disha** » 29 Nov 2008 02:30

NRao wrote:Such an attack IMHO is a precursor to a similar attack on western soil. A practice run if you will.

Pointed out just that in a previous post. The western agencies are scared ...

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 29 Nov 2008 02:30

Rediff and zeenews have not updated their timelines, Perhaps media blackout. Operation is still going on in Taj with DG Mr Dutt leading.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 02:30

there is a difference between requesting and cautioning. it matters what words they use., and irritate people who are restrained. un-necessary provocation by us muslims.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Nov 2008 02:31

p_saggu wrote:My sincerest condolences to the families. I stand humbled by the sacrifice these men gave for this nation.
Jt CP Hemant Karkare
Police Inspector Vijay Salaskar
Additonal CP Ashok Kamte
Police Sub Insdpector Prakash More
Police Constable Chite
Police Constable Khandekar
Police Inspector Shashank Sinde Railway
Police Sub Inspector Durgude ATS
Assnt SI Nanasaheb Bhosale
Poliece Constable Jaywant Patil
Police Constable Yogesh Patil
Police Constable Ambadas Ramchandra Pawar
Police Constable MC Chaudhary
Jai Hind

Is there any way of doing something for their children and loved ones ? This incident has made it clear, who the selfless and the brave protecting us are.

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 29 Nov 2008 02:32

Hariprasad wrote:Even animals with primitive brains try to attack when provoked repeatedly. But no not the Indian politicos. They will somehow come up with a brilliant self defeating excuse and talk peace with the terrorists.

Operation still going on in Taj. Same old message flashing on TimesNow.

Well said sir!!

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Sid · Post by **Sid** » 29 Nov 2008 02:34

George J wrote:TIMES NOW Ticker: ISI Chief NOT coming to India.

They are sending some junior instead of chief.

APP :- A spokesman of the Prime Minister's House said on Friday that a representative of ISI will visit India, instead of Director General ISI, to help in investigating the Mumbai terrorism incident.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 29 Nov 2008 02:37

Sudhanshu wrote:
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Come on! Show some more sense, my friend. First there has been an intelligence failure. Let us not let our emotions carry our senses away! {Deleted} So you want us to be like the Porkis!!

The people of India must demand retribution and revenge. Let us talk about things like that.

{Ur heart is in the right place, bless you, but pls heed the caution of someone above who said: "DON'T quote idiotic posts as you rip them to shreds". It then makes it necessary for Admins 2 come and edit ur post too..}

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Nov 2008 02:38

Gerard wrote:US Muslim outfit cautions India over retaliation
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) – the largest Muslim rights group in the US and Canada – while condemning the Mumbai terrorist attacks asked the Indian government to protect its citizens from the type of retaliatory attacks that have followed similar incidents in the past.

CAIR would be very irresponsible if they do not issue a similar request to Islamic terrorists to stop their Islamic activities that hurt others. CAIR, in the same breath, NEEDS to tell LeT, and the like, to disband. What CAIR has just done is to tie the hands of a democratically elected GoI by being one sided.

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 29 Nov 2008 02:39

The more I read about the ISI coming to India the more I puke in my mouth. It's like asking a murderer to help out on the investigation. Instead of severing ties with Pukistan, and declaring these people (and Deepak Chopra I might add) persona non grata, we give them the red carpet. Umm how exactly will he assist you? Jot down all the mistakes this time so they can do it better next time. Pathetic and a bold face insult to all those who died and were injured. There should be a war footing on board not invitations to tea and biscuits. Ahh I pray for the dead and wounded and the men and women combating this nonsense.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 02:39

some one said, link?, that they had received intel about sea based attack. get more facts there.. and what did the Indian admins did after that, and the veracity of such intel.. how did the same was kept under the carpets.

we need keep a separate thread on intel inputs.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Nov 2008 02:40

India should just say, there is no need for anybody from ISI to come to India. Pakistani Govt. has no credibility left, and especially no ISI.

They say we offered help. We say, you need credibility for that. End of Story.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 29 Nov 2008 02:42

George J wrote:TIMES NOW Ticker: ISI Chief NOT coming to India.

Was GoI smoking pot to expect ISI chief to be in India so that narco-test can be conducted on him?

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 29 Nov 2008 02:44

Why didn't GoI declare emergency in Mumbai till the attacks are contained?

That would have put unnecessary media reports under control

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Nov 2008 02:44

The Western media is saying this is all AQ influenced onlee.

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 29 Nov 2008 02:47

Vivek K wrote: {deleted useless quote}

I agree with you, but, it is matter of opinion.

Let more such fishing boats coming from our neighbor, and let more city be bombed like these. And, let our PM, HM act this way. You will agree what I am saying. Let me predict, you will see next terror attack within two month span. And, our HM would not have any clue of that.

I still don't understand why NSG and SF didn't have NVG/(IR vision) or NV scope snipers , in spite of such essential equipments they did superb job, I salute them.

{Sudhanshu: pls end this line of discussion and see above. In the same post where you claim to be admiring the Indian security forces you are insulting the very core of their professionalism - the oath to the nation. You are right - they are not such idiots.

Smart move: END your line of argument NOW. Thx.}

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 29 Nov 2008 02:48

I think it is already done. No new reports, everything blacked out, I think.

shyam wrote:Why didn't GoI declare emergency in Mumbai till the attacks are contained?

That would have put unnecessary media reports under control

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Nov 2008 02:48

NYTimes reporting that there are 3 holed up in the Taj.

faraz · Post by **faraz** » 29 Nov 2008 02:49

ADMIN NOTE: NOT THE THREAD TO RANT

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 29 Nov 2008 02:49

shynee wrote:I think it is already done. No new reports, everything blacked out, I think.

shyam wrote:Why didn't GoI declare emergency in Mumbai till the attacks are contained?

That would have put unnecessary media reports under control

No. The city was funcitioning normally with people going about their business until an hour ago.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 29 Nov 2008 02:50

NRao wrote:NYTimes reporting that there are 3 holed up in the Taj.

yups thats what Times now reported..atleast 3-4 still hold up in Taj.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 29 Nov 2008 02:51

I was referring to the news reports, not talking about declaring emergency

vera_k wrote:
shynee wrote:I think it is already done. No new reports, everything blacked out, I think.

No. The city was funcitioning normally with people going about their business until an hour ago.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 29 Nov 2008 02:51

vera_k wrote:
shynee wrote:I think it is already done. No new reports, everything blacked out, I think.

No. The city was funcitioning normally with people going about their business until an hour ago.

I guess it is only media blackout, no one is reporting current status.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 29 Nov 2008 02:52

AFAIK, CNN/IBN said ISI personal was called in to hand over evidence of bakistan's involvement not to help in investigation. RAW will commit mass suicide before coordinating with ISI.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Nov 2008 02:52

Keeping it open to media is fine.. there is nothing wrong with that. But taking a stupid stance is wrong, both by the govt, dis allowing broadcast.. and at the same time by the CNN et al, where it cocks and bulls its own versions.

The fact needs to be presented live.. which is fine., but reporters twisting and attacking our commandos is unacceptable. Attacking our govt is perfect. and they are ok to say, they reacted slow.. we can agree to extent of the truth.. as it is, we have a powerful bureaucratic setup.

Keeping out our politics .. we need to look at aspects. being CNN, GoI, or USA. Just bash them up for wrong reporitng.

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 29 Nov 2008 02:54

Sid wrote:AFAIK, CNN/IBN said ISI personal was called in to hand over evidence of bakistan's involvement not to help in investigation. RAW will commit mass suicide before coordinating with ISI.

I really appreciate your sense of humor maite

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 29 Nov 2008 02:56

Mr.K Unninathan was on Timesnow.

Sir, Thank you!

Shiv Ji did you record his statement? We need that.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 29 Nov 2008 02:57

Pakis going to call it bogus anyway or they are going to look into it, until the heat is off. It's a farcical exercise.

Sid wrote:AFAIK, CNN/IBN said ISI personal was called in to hand over evidence of bakistan's involvement not to help in investigation. RAW will commit mass suicide before coordinating with ISI.

faraz · Post by **faraz** » 29 Nov 2008 02:59

This is just a farce , a show by this lame-duck Government , my friend. Tell me one inquiry they have had for any terrrorist attack in this country.

MMS is no Golda Meir to order strikes against terrorists and their supporters.

shynee wrote:Pakis going to call it bogus anyway or they are going to look into it, until the heat is off. It's a farcical exercise.

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 29 Nov 2008 03:00

Aaj Tak: Explosions in Nariman House. Terrorists hid explosives under the dead bodies of hostages.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 29 Nov 2008 03:01

MMS is no Golda Meir to order strikes against terrorists and their supporters.

Reminds me of how our govt. handled LTTE after Rajiv Gandhi Assasination..... by doing nothing much.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 29 Nov 2008 03:02

What is this CNN IBN saying? They said that the ISI chief is coming (I realize that the chief is not coming) to receive the "elements" from Pak? GoI has accepted the offer. Is this a slip on the part of the commentator?

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 29 Nov 2008 03:02

UK media is agressively saying now that it is unlikely that any terrorists were British born. Apparently Gordon Brown had a chat with MMS, who said he's unaware of any involvement.

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 29 Nov 2008 03:02

To:forum admin Narayanan

That was just an opinion and a constructive criticism, I am sorry if that didn't fit in your own perspective or your fell into your flawed interpretation. I don't have reason to continue that discussion. Just wanted to say something on the record, which I thought is gonna happen in future.

But, I won't apologize or retract from what I said. Thanks!

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 29 Nov 2008 03:05

Naraynan,

naryanan wrote:You don't know your history. {Gratuitous rudeness. I am leaving that there for all 2 c. BTW, he knows history better than you are pott-e-trained. Please stop being obnoxious if you can. }

Actually, while there existed various 'taliban' under the soviet occupation, they were collectively known as the mujahideen and there NEVER was a separate Taliban while the Soviets were in A'tan, and the US was engaged in the conflict.

The taliban as we know it today coalesced into its current form in 1994 in Kandahar. Well after the Soviets withdrew AND 2 years after the Najibullah government had fallen to the mujahideen. In 1994, Masoods northern faction was had been occupying Kabul for nearly two years, and Hekmatyar had levelled Kabul with help from paki arty units trying to dislodge Masood from there. Massood was never a PA favourite, and they wanted one of their own (hekmatyar) in-charge in Kabul.

Only when hekmatyar could not do it despite PA help, the ISI pushed a new 'taliban' from Kandahar under mullah omar, this was the taliban which swept thru A'tan, once Kabul fell to the taliban, pakistan dropped its support of hekmatyar.

Look it up.

PS: Apologies rgsrini for being a little 'short', I am a little stressed.

{Dear shalav: I did NOT mean that the postor knew history better than you know history, and in fact I agree with what you write about the sequence of events in the formation of the Taliban. Please read carefully what I wrote - reading carefully what people write will Save Your Soul, brother!

BTW, I understand that many, indeed most, of us here are stressed, some more severely than others. Cheers, narayanan}

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 29 Nov 2008 03:06

this is from a previously open-minded, fairness minded and sane individual, as the rules have changed now. this is worse than 911 for india.

- indians should be thankful for the country they are living in
- indians should donate generously towards the fallen heroes of indian police and military who were trying to save innocent muslim, jews, christians and hindus while risking their own lives
- indians should live in india following indian laws (not islamis laws but indian common laws)
- indians should sign a statement condeming islamic terrorism originating from pakistan
- indian movie stars should donate their ENTIRE cash stash to cleaning up of the Taj, Oberoi, VT, and other places
- IF NOT, indians should LEAVE india to their favorite destination, be it dubai, or uganda or karachi, or swat, or argentina or jeddah, (or londonistan) or antarctica or kampuchea or america or frogistan

{Said individual should be commended for continuing to be open-minded, fairness-minded and sane, temporary insanity is hopefully now over. This post was "reported" by some postor. I can't imagine why - it's a lovely sentiment, unifying all Indians! Thanks!

}