Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

[Singha]

someone should print that nvg pic I posted, make a roll out of it and slap
her rump with it.

only few european nations, US, Israel and Rus have condemned the attack
overtly I think.

Arab countries all silent

no word from those two south-south stalwarts brazil, SA

no word from Australia?

Japan and ASEAN are as usual hiding in the bathroom hoping that by
being "nice" to the islamists they will escape the blade somehow.

as to who will fight with us - I suppose one can take example of tanker
hijack this week. two british and one irish security guard hired to protect
a indo-bd staffed tanker, wetted their pants and jumped into the sea
when confronted by a rag tag group of pirates. picked up by a helicopter
later while the indian crew and ship is in pirate hands.

so dont be taken in by paintball gear and "ex-SAS" hype. most will run,
only a few will fight and of these maybe 1% are the true "friends"

[Raju]

I have often liked tough situations for just one reasons

You know who your real friends are !!!!

Baloch Association of America have condemned this attack.

[Vikram_S]

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Of all the stupid things that the TV channels did, the Guvrmand got mad at only ONE thing:

The Interview with the terrorists that was broadcast. Please ask urselves WHY?
To me it seems to be because this one act told the Indian population with 100% certainty that the terrorists were Pakistani, it placed their accents down to the precise pig-stys in Pakistan where they were bred.

In one blow, this destroyed the Indian Guvrmand's standard Mushroom Policy of Informing the Citizenry: Keep them in the dark and feed them sh1t. Without this "interview", today we would still be hearing "Deccan Mujaheddin", "Revenge for Godhra/Malegaon/BestBakery/Babri Masjid" and the occasional unsupported declaration by the Mumbai Police that: "This is Lashkar-e-Toiba onlee".

So the GOI has now really revealed the policy of the MMS administration: HIDE Pakistani origin of terrorist attacks, and invent an "Indian Mujaheddin" along with a guilt complex, and even invent "Hindu Terrorism" as the explanation for all the killing of innocents.

Note that the traitors who broadcast video of the ATS chief putting on body armor, and the make and license plate of the vehicle in which they were going, and where they were going, have NOT been taken to task.

sir

it is very correct what you have said. also the interview is open about muslims versus the rest language.

openly says "Allahs momeen" versus kaffirs; he says that many times.

it basically blows the whole UPA game out of the water about disguising jihadi attacks in india, and disgusing jihadi extremism and trying to pass them off as of minor importance.

for first time indian common public got to see what indian security forces daily see (and what is the reason why BJP/ others etc are so angry about).

in other words, this is all about elections. the UPA does not want anything to blow holes in its useless credibility before elections. this party is truly lost sir and even we understand what has been going on at the center.

[SSridhar]

In the BBC panel discussion, there was this Paki journalist who brazenly said that there was no Faridkot in Pakistan and in their eagerness to falsely accuse Pakistan, they were getting their facts wrong because Faridkot was only in India. Liar and got away with that.

The Faridkot that this Ismail terrorist comes from is in West Punjab on the road from Multan to Lahore near Khanewal, coordinates 30° 16' 30" North, 71° 57' 30" East

[Nayak]

Shobaa De on CNN IBN. She told Rajdeep that enough is enough, a spade has to be called a spade. Everybody knows that where the terror camps are. No point in hiding and running away from truth.

Horror of horror, Rajdeep agreed with her.

Guys, these media twerps know that being politically correct in this charged atmosphere will only get them lynched.

They are just acting nationalist for the moment, they will be back to slimy ways soon.

[Rahul M]

Rahulji: Terminological redundancy there - "cylindrical" and "round" , though strictly independent, are often confused. May I suggest

Gentle Mammal of Revolution ? Or in referring to the actual animal, use "Well-fed Lahori"?

yes, I see that now. only excuse is I was too shocked by NDTV !

[Kersi D]

I have created a google map showing major locations from landing to ultimate capture by Mumbai police of pakistani terrorist.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&ms ... 227957847l

I request fellow members to help with filling in more details and accurate time frames. Will like to add images and link to youtube videos as and when i locate them.

You have indicated that some incident has happened on the road between Grant Road and Bharat Nagar. I do not think any incident took place on this road. The nearest was at Chowpaty where one terrorist was killed and the other captured

[SK Mody]

Times Now is just another crappy channel, owned by ToI of all people, do not put too many expectations on it.
there is no 'patriotic outlet' in India as such, it is just that Arnab exceeded himself in this very instant.

Nevertheless he should be congratulated and appreciation (for him personally - and not necessarily TOI) put on record. Anyone has an e-mail address?

[Kersi D]

I have often liked tough situations for just one reasons

You know who your real friends are !!!!

Baloch Association of America have condemned this attack.

We should all thank them !!!

[Singha]

there are 5 state elections on the verge now right?

this will be the weathercock that shows direction of wind.

MMS/UPA is busy closing all options of a counterstrike, so they will not
have any "success" to crow about next year. the economy is nothing to
crow about right now. they killed whatever good projects NDA had managed
to start.

are they hoping to win the next elections on muslim vote bank , alliance with the SP lunatics and on NREGS?

[Shreeman]

The barbarians were planning to kill 5000 people, according to Mah deputy CM.

Here's my theory: this is Al Qaeda. They wanted a spectacular strike on the lines of 9/11. US, UK and Europe having become sort of impregnable for Bin Laden and gang, they have chosen the remaining infidel nation, which also happily happens to be a soft target.

In the terms of "match" analogy shared by a knowledgeable poster earlier, India is the state, airlines, railways team (remember Kandahar hijack -> later consequences). Team you practice with. US, UK,... are the international squad. This is to get acquainted.

[Sharma]

See what we have been promised and helped with from World community on our war against terror -

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=j4N_Y7tMNzs

[milindc]

Shobaa De on CNN IBN. She told Rajdeep that enough is enough, a spade has to be called a spade. Everybody knows that where the terror camps are. No point in hiding and running away from truth.

Horror of horror, Rajdeep agreed with her.

Guys, these media twerps know that being politically correct in this charged atmosphere will only get them lynched.

They are just acting nationalist for the moment, they will be back to slimy ways soon.

I was pondering about the sudden nationalist feeling among our elite DDM. For them, the terror has hit home, 5* lobbies. This time it is not some random bazaar, train, or bus, but home....
Hence all the talk about UPA failure, soft on terror etc etc...
This is similar to RAPE getting scared on Talibunnies at LaWhore border.

[A_Gupta]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... India.html

"This kind of terrorism is unforgivable, extremely despicable and vicious. I feel strong resentment and deeply condemn it. Japan is with the Indian people who are fighting against terrorism and we will cooperate with the Indian government." - Taro Aso, the Prime Minister of Japan

[Singha]

I have no hope in UPA Govt. they will be supine and gubo even if hit teams took out race course road and set 10 janpath on fire.

havent seen the face of mananiya HM in a while....has he woken up or
still in the dressing room selecting his sharp cut suits?

[Sai]

Luce motions?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b77572d0-bcbc ... k_check=1

Both Islamist and Hindu extremists have been bombing their way across India in an attempt to polarise opinion, especially ahead of general elections next year. Some of these appear to have been “false flag” attacks, including by Hindu supremacists masquerading as jihadis. One of the Mumbai attackers, presumed to be Islamists, was photographed wearing a sacred Hindu thread around his wrist

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b77572d0-bcbc ... ck_check=1

[Hariprasad]

Times Now
There is one Vinod Mehta on TimesNow asking for resignation from NSA Narayanan, Shivraj Patil and going after Pakistan. Extremely well put. Kabir bedi is also making the right noises.

[jamwal]

Headline Today showing face of Paki FM as he received the phone call from Mukheejee... The idiot was doing Aadab and blabbering some pleasantries.
He went pale and kept saying yes...
Definitely a keep

Also, Gaurav Sawant from Headline Today openly states that inviting ISI chief would be like calling a Murderer to examine evidence against him...

some DDM have had definitely some testosterone shots

Saar jee, do you have the video?

[Madhusudhan]

We should stop looking to the British for any sympathy, cooperation or understanding. Their blame the victim mentality and appeasement of Islamists has lead to London becoming Londonistan. It's only a matter of time before they are fully taken over by Islamists. I propose they rename themselves to West Pakistan.

[Sai]

Times Now
There is one Vinod Mehta on TimesNow asking for resignation from NSA Narayanan, Shivraj Patil and going after Pakistan. Extremely well put.

Chameleon changing colour.

[Raj Malhotra]

Traditionally MAFIA CAN ONLY survive if there is complicity of Police and Politicians with Mafiosi.Now think Dawood, Kangress, Film industry and cricket matches

[jamwal]

. But I sure hope he was thrown out ... he fell head down! And for the first time in my life I am happy to see a bullet ridden man going head down through the window! That scene is gonna be my wallpaper for a long time.

I missed that too

Just got this SMS - Great QUOTE

Forgiving a terrorist is left to GOD, But fixing their appointment with GOD is our Responsibility - INDIAN ARMY

I read this thing on some army bases in J&K long time ago, but in slightly different language

[SK Mody]

See what we have been promised and helped with from World community on our war against terror -

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=j4N_Y7tMNzs

Great song.

[George J]

Ok Children, be useful for once

1) HOW do I download to HDD the video in this link?
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Nava ... 520089.php

2) Does anyone have the whole video? It looks like its a bit truncated at the front.

[kshirin]

[quote="Nayak"]Shobaa De on CNN IBN. She told Rajdeep that enough is enough, a spade has to be called a spade. Everybody knows that where the terror camps are. No point in hiding and running away from truth.

Horror of horror, Rajdeep agreed with her.

Guys, these media twerps know that being politically correct in this charged atmosphere will only get them lynched.

They are just acting nationalist for the moment, they will be back to slimy ways soon.[/quote]

The only reason these media people may be changing their tune is because they all have polls tracking public opinion on their websites and they must be realising how sickening their positions are and very soon they will be out of a job if they anger the public anymore.

However, one note of caution. I am as angry as anyone on this forum, one was hoping some action would be taken after the Delhi blasts, only to be faced with surrealistic developments, but we must see the international situation and respond strongly but intelligently. Hence my request to start a discussion on an effective but responsible response, which simultanously protects our security and strengthens our nation.

BBC for example in one broadcast was focusing on Muslim Hindu divide (despite one other foreign channel, forgot which, reporting that communal harmony remained solid during this horrendous attack), and that Kashmir issue should be tackled (despite 70% turnout which disproves jihadist/separatist claims decisively). Given that the Bombay attack followed closely the Tibetan Congress in Dharmasala, one can see the larger game plan aimed at breaking up India. We must not react emotionally, but strategically and effectively - India has been attacked and India has to show the world what we are capable of.

[bharatiya]

Link to complete video:
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/vi ... x?id=45615

[sampat]

See what we have been promised and helped with from World community on our war against terror -

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=j4N_Y7tMNzs

right on spot..good collection of photos..

Ayee hain smajhane log..

[Kapil]

Hi,
I was at the Karkare funeral today:from residence to the cremation.
So many police officers there..so many years of experieice and we are still clueless.
Met a young ATS guy-- He was saying that we are looking at the Boss's loss as:Our boss has been working hard for the last 5 months and has just gone to take rest.
Now we are moving to do huis work as he rests and watches us.They have taken one Karkare Saheb,now they have to face the other 'Karkares' among us.Very moving.
The whole of Dadar was cordoned off.

There was something different int he air-the police are going to show steel now.
Raghuvanshi has gone back as ATS Chief and was not at the cremation as he was interrogating the captured guy.

It has been a depressing day.Watching 16 yr old Akash Karkare cremate his father.
The entire police and state administrative brass was there.The politicians were quite.
Plenty of DDM about but they left the family in peace.

One officer said that these 3 officers were the most professional guys in the force and we have lost them.

[Raju]

Shobaa De on CNN IBN. She told Rajdeep that enough is enough, a spade has to be called a spade. Everybody knows that where the terror camps are. No point in hiding and running away from truth.

Horror of horror, Rajdeep agreed with her.

Guys, these media twerps know that being politically correct in this charged atmosphere will only get them lynched.

They are just acting nationalist for the moment, they will be back to slimy ways soon.

Such earth shaking revelations were heard post 7/11 also.
K. P. Nayyar, I. K. Gujral, Shekhar Gupta all talking hawkishly.

but nothing happened.

[hshukla]

Singhaji ...Japan has condemned the attacks and shown solidarity with India....it was shown in CNN...my only source of info besides u guys.

On another note....unless economy gets hit MMS wont act...Sensex has to fall like crazy for MMS to act.
Such incompetent bas@#$% ruling at such a crucial junction of our nation's emergence.Praying for some IAF strikes at POK terrorist camps tonight.

[kshirin]

Unbelievable, Outlook claims we had been warned of this attack.

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fo ... ikat&sid=1
EXCLUSIVE
The Gateway Of India By mid-September, Indian agencies knew that the attack would come from the sea, by mid-November, they knew that the Taj hotel would be targeted... And yet... and yet... A blow by blow account of how the plan to attack Mumbai by sea was hatched and executed Saikat Datta

In mid-September this year, the CIA station chief in Delhi sought an urgent meeting with his counterpart in R&AW to pass on some critical inputs. This was part of an understanding that Indian and American intelligence had institutionalised in the aftermath of 9/11. From its assets in Pakistan and Afghanistan, American intelligence had come to learn that the Lashkar-e-Toiba was planning to launch a major terrorist attack in Mumbai, which would be carried out from the sea.

This input was in conjunction with other inputs that Indian intelligence had received from various other sources. For instance, Riyasuddin, the son of Maulana Nasiruddin, who was under arrest for his alleged involvement in the assassination of the then Gujarat home minister Naren Pandya, had stated in his statements to the police that a sea-borne attack was being planned by certain terrorist groups abroad for an attack on Mumbai.

Similarly other vague inputs had also come in from Uttar Pradesh as well as other sources. But by September 24, Indian intelligence picked up several specific inputs. These were:

• An LeT module was being trained in a camp around Karachi for launching attacks from the sea for at least three months
  Yusuf Muzammil, the chief of operations of the LeT was in contact with an LeT operative stationed in Bangladesh (identified as "Yayah") who was being asked to procure international SIM cards for an operation that had been planned
  Information was also available that the team had been trained by Zakir-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, also known as "Chacha" an ageing ideologue who conducted most of the LeT's training modules.

By the middle of November, as Indian intelligence continued to check out further inputs, the pieces of an intricate jigsaw puzzle began to fall into place. Sources say they learnt that the attack would come from the sea and that the Taj Hotel would be a major target. However, it was not known whether this attack would be carried out by planting bombs in the hotel or by terrorists carrying small arms. Indian intelligence assessments were tilting towards bombs being planted and security at the hotel was beefed up accordingly to prevent terrorists from planting bombs inside the premises.

On November 18, R&AW passed on a specific advisory to the Coast Guard, which serves as the Lead intelligence Agency for the coastal area. The advisory asked the coast guard to intensify patrolling and look out for a suspicious vessel, probably of Pakistani origin, which had sailed off from Karachi. While the coast guard began to patrol the area with renewed intensity, the terrorists had an entirely different plan.

According to details available with Indian intelligence and the information given by the terrorist who was picked up by the Mumbai police in an encounter near Chowpatty, the terrorists hijacked an Indian fishing boat, the Kuber, somewhere near Pakistani waters. They beheaded the majority of the boat's crew of six and only allowed one crew-member, Amarsinh Solanki, to live so that he could help them with navigating the boat to Mumbai. The coast guard found a Global Positioning System abandoned on the fishing trawler that was drifting nearly four nautical miles off the coast of Mumbai early on Thursday, November 27 morning, several hours after the terrorist attack began.

While the coast guard was looking for a Pakistani or unidentified vessel, the Kuber (registration number 2303) blended in with the thousands of registered Indian fishing vessels out at sea.

This enabled the terrorists to avoid detection and slip into Badhwar park in Cuffe Parade in Mumbai before they began their operations. Most of them got into waiting boats that had been arranged by Karachi-based underworld don Dawood Ibrahim's diesel smuggling network in Mumbai. Arms, ammunition and plastic explosives were quickly transferred to the waiting boats that took the terrorists to the Gateway of India which was the pre-arranged launching pad for the terrorist attack.

What has surprised investigators piecing together the details of the attack is that the GPS recovered from the abandoned trawler, Kuber, had two maps fed into it to aid navigation. One was a route from Karachi that was plotted quite close to the Indian coast, while a return route had also been mapped into the GPS from the Mumbai coast back to Karachi. "We think this was done to give the terrorists some semblance of hope that they would go back home after a successful raid," a top security official told Outlook. The fact that these two maps were fed into the GPS has confirmed that there was some help from people with a naval or army background, and had extensive knowledge of navigation at sea.

What security officials have also confirmed is the fact that most of the terrorists were from Punjab in Pakistan. The arrested terrorist, Azmal Amir Qasab, a resident of Chippalpura Taluka in Ukkad Zilla, Punjab, Pakistan has told his interrogators that the terrorists had trained for over two months, much of it on the Karachi coast for the naval leg. They were trained in basic rudiments of conducting naval commando raids, given extensive biefings on the layout of South Mumbai with adequate footage for familiarity and CDs of alleged "atrocities" carried out against Muslims in India. Qasab has also given details of how two of their operatives checked into the Taj Hotel last Saturday, November 22, with a lot of equipment. The duo received several visitors with huge bags, apparently carrying RDX for the two IEDs which were defused by the Mumbai police on the night of the first attack.

Meanwhile, investigators are poring through the call data details downloaded from the satellite phone also recovered from the abandoned trawler. Many of the call details have revealed numbers that have been traced back to the LeT's chief of operations, Muzamil, as well as to Lakhvi. Interestingly, the international SIM cards recovered from the bodies of the killed terrorists correspond to the intelligence picked up earlier, when Muzamil had asked his Bangladesh operative Yayah, to procure them. He apparently also procured the fake Mauritian identity card recovered by the marine commandos.

Top security sources have also told Outlook that the intercepts made by the intelligence agencies while the NSG commando assault was underway clearly indicates that the terrorists were speaking to their handlers in Pakistan. Among the instructions passed on to them during the nearly 62-hour crisis were to throw grenades indiscriminately if they were in danger of being overpowered and to start fake negotiations to prolong the crisis.In fact, two such attempts at negotiations were made at Nariman Bhawan and the Oberoi-Trident hotel to stave off an impending assault, even though the terrorists had already killed the hostages.

In the days to come investigators will have to continue putting the pieces of the puzzle together to create a more comprehensive picture of the attack. Hidden among them will be key lessons on how to prevent similar attacks in the future.

[Sidd]

Aaj tak showing CCTV video of girlie boy's capture. Shows bystanders kicking and punching him. No wonder the pig started singing right away.

[jamwal]

Ok Children, be useful for once

1) HOW do I download to HDD the video in this link?
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Nava ... 520089.php

2) Does anyone have the whole video? It looks like its a bit truncated at the front.

Play the video in your browser, then check the temporary files folder of the browser. It must be thre.Check for files with size in few MBs.
Should be a file with swf or no extension.

[SK Mody]

Ok Children, be useful for once

1) HOW do I download to HDD the video in this link?
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Nava ... 520089.php

2) Does anyone have the whole video? It looks like its a bit truncated at the front.

Look for the title in the html page source. The source link should be somewhere around the title.

[Anabhaya]

One factor influencing New Delhi's (lack of) reaction :

Four phases of JK polls to be held from 30th to Dec 24th.

[GuruNandan]

Ok Children, be useful for once

1) HOW do I download to HDD the video in this link?
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Nava ... 520089.php

George J,

You have to download and install 'Adobe Flash Player'
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/

and then open the url and it should work.

[Raj Malhotra]

NDTV profit, Times Now, Headlines Today are blaming Pakistan, to protect their TRP but I am ready to bet that in less than 48 hours discussion in ALL English news channels will shift on how to have better "defensive mechanisms" and how it was all our fault with Godhara, Ayodhya thrown in.

[Kapil]

dunno if this has been posted.

Robin Horsfall, who is an SAS Legend (Nimrod/Iranian Embassy) gives a pretty balanced analysis of the performance of the Indian SF units. Not that we need a certificate but...


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... mon_Newton

[faraz]

Barkha Dutta ? Isn't she the one who said , " SADLY, people are raising slogans against Pakistan and this is dangerous.

What else can be more dangerous than terrorists entering your city and killing people at whim ?

These psuedo-intellectuals are going to ruin India !

Let us thank our media not withstanidng what ever goof up they may have made

I am impressed by

Barkha Dutta

Arnab Goswami

Vishnu Som

and many many other reporters and cameraman for having done a great 50+ hour work

[sampat]

Ok Children, be useful for once

1) HOW do I download to HDD the video in this link?
http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-Nava ... 520089.php

2) Does anyone have the whole video? It looks like its a bit truncated at the front.

Look for the title in the html page source. The source link should be somewhere around the title.

simple download it from youtube
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=qqkaSTpTFAM

www.keepvid.com for easy you tube downloads...