Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 30 Nov 2008 22:48

Kapil wrote:I suggest we rename Barkha as Jerka

Kapil
I had better names but I will start with Barkha as Burqa.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 30 Nov 2008 22:54

We call her Burkha anyway. Let's just stick to it and get back to the topic

Kapil wrote:I suggest we rename Barkha as Jerka

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 30 Nov 2008 22:55

Local tv news station sent a camera crew to the local temple expecting some sorta memorial to the Mumbai victims to happen there.

The astute pujari didn't disappoint. Luckily, some temple exec committee members were also available to say a few words of mourning and remembrance. There were no candles lit, though.

The crew was respectful, removed their shoes before entering, and taped the entire aarti as well.

Usually, sundays aarti happens at the temple and sunday school of sorts (teaching Hindi and book reading of the classics like Ramayan and Mahabharata for pre-teens) also happens on sundays. So decent attendance was there. Moi too went for the weekly aarti.

Well, just mentioning.

Would be nice if private indivs and orgs in India commemorate the Mumbai victims with simple placards, a minute of silence and so on. Helps develop solidarity, espirit de corps amongst ordinary yindians far from Mumbai.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 30 Nov 2008 22:57

Sandeep was India's, says father; turns away politicians

Sources close to Unnikrishnan said he even went to the extent of issuing a threat that he would commit suicide if any politician entered his house.

He had told his friends that his son, whose valour was witnessed by the entire country, did not belong to Kerala alone but to the entire nation.

Must salute both father and son.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 30 Nov 2008 23:01

Fareed Zakaria on CNN INTERVIEW with RATAN TATA, HENRY KISSINGER

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 30 Nov 2008 23:02

vsudhir: Thanks! Quoted your post in an email to local netaship.

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Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 30 Nov 2008 23:06

X posting from response thread.

Israel praises Indian rescue efforts
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 57,00.html

First of all this article wrongly shows the Mumbai policemen as "troops". This is a deliberate misrepresentation on their part to show that Indian troops are ill-equipped and poorly trained. Second the response of an average Israeli based on the comments in the above link are extremely condescending, arrogant and ignorant.

Take a look at this article.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD94PBROG0

On Friday, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said it was clear that Indian forces were not on par with elite Israeli units.

The Israeli press clearly seems hostile to India. I'm deeply disturbed by this given the bonhomie enjoyed by average Israeli on the Indian streets.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 30 Nov 2008 23:08

Guys, this discussion on war is going far outside this thread - there is a Response thread set up for speculation and breast-beating and

As ramana mentioned, these threads are important to archive, but I would not say the same for the

and armchair cavalry.
I am not sure I have the time to move all such posts to the Response Thread, but pls assume that that is where the discussion will continue.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 30 Nov 2008 23:10

If that is so then I am mighty pleased, The Israeli invincibility inspite of Unkil giving them co ordinates of every Hezbullah is all there to see during recent Lebanon crisis.

Just because they own the media and are smart enough to exploit it they get undue milage out of small victories here and there. If unkil does half what it does to Israeli, heck for that matter if unkil does'nt tie our hands we can win hands down....

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 30 Nov 2008 23:10

SandeepA wrote:Sandeep was India's, says father; turns away politicians

Sources close to Unnikrishnan said he even went to the extent of issuing a threat that he would commit suicide if any politician entered his house.

He had told his friends that his son, whose valour was witnessed by the entire country, did not belong to Kerala alone but to the entire nation.

Must salute both father and son.

We should send this quote to Raj Thackrey if he still doesn't get any sense in his head, then he can explore the depths of Indian Ocean with his chacha

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 30 Nov 2008 23:13

n guru ok no posting from me. just reading.
Thanks

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 30 Nov 2008 23:13

India rushes Menon to brief Obama on terror attacks
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30m ... -obama.htm
The Americans have a highly sophisticated "call-chaining" technology that will help trace the entire sequence and chain of telephone calls made through satellite. India also possesses the telecommunications technology, but the US-based system is more advanced.

The Lashkar e Tayiba's senior operative, Yousuf Muzamil, who masterminded the Taj Mahal hotel [Images] operation, had coordinated the logistics with the help of Yahya Mujahideen [Images] who is based in Bangladesh.

The US is expected to help India get more names through "call chaining" technology.

India, however, needs to fine-tune the evidence gathered so far in Mumbai.

"America could be a positive help," said the source.

More important, it is felt, is to apprise the US about the anger and anguish within India which can't be ignored by any government.

Something is cooking...

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 30 Nov 2008 23:14

Hariprasad wrote:X posting from response thread.

Israel praises Indian rescue efforts
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 57,00.html

First of all this article wrongly shows the Mumbai policemen as "troops". Second the response of an average Israeli based on the comments below the article are extremely condescending, arrogant and ignorant.

Take a look at this article.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD94PBROG0

On Friday, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said it was clear that Indian forces were not on par with elite Israeli units.
The Israeli press clearly seems hostile to India. I'm deeply disturbed by this given the bonhomie enjoyed by average Israeli on the Indian streets.

Don't get depressed by some comment by an idiot like Behud Balak. Read Avram's post on how most israelis feel about their politicians and their operational expertise.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 30 Nov 2008 23:14

Acharya wrote:Fareed Zakaria on CNN INTERVIEW with RATAN TATA, HENRY KISSINGER

Please give an internet address for the webcast or record it and put it on youtube PLEASE!!!

animesharma · Post by **animesharma** » 30 Nov 2008 23:18

(MODS, its not a political bashing)
I just had a chat with a chai wala this evening. his response was like, mass murder all congress politicians. they have made life worse for people like him in these 5 years. the outrage in population of his class is intense.

Tilak · Post by **Tilak** » 30 Nov 2008 23:19

saumitra_j wrote:Tilak,

I am no expert but let me try to answer this one for you:

1) Why did the operation take so long ?? especially the second phase at the Taj ?, given that the motive was clearly know when, CST was sprayed earlier, the Nariman house out of all was under seige.
The people had to clear up the place room by room, floor by floor. The did not have any layouts. IN the Taj, things were further complicated by the fact that the rooms were interlinked - which allowed the terrorists to move around and change positons. The terrorists were using two tactics: They had live hostages (about 25 of em) and were using hand grenades - all of which prevented the NSG from going for all out. The NSG knew all along that there won't be negotiations but the fact that they still had hostages was a major consideration.

PS: RApelling was done to land the commandos at Nariman House - was not possible at the Taj and the Oberoi

I dont disagree with you entirely. But contrary to the media perpetrated "forces had a free hand", I would argue that it was the opposite, there were some bigwigs that were to be rescued "first at all costs" (ie. not the ones that were already taken hostage, but the ones that were contacted from the outside and learnt to be stranded in their rooms). So they were going from floor by floor, batlling their way through the only known entry points, the stairways and were repeatedly coming under fire. As for the second part, I meant rapelling down the faces of the building wrt. the taj and the nariman house, and gaining multiple/additional entry points, would have made it much easier no ??..

In so far as Nariman House is concerned, I have grown up in that area and I can tell you that the biggest hindrance for the NSG would have been collateral damage. The place is packed with buildings/structures and any attempt at going all guns blazing without proper planning would have resulted in severe damage and possibly injuries/deaths to locals. The NSG knew all along that the 5 hostages at Nariman house were killed. The operation in that sense was simple - to neutralize the terrorist but larger considerations of collateral damage prevented them from launching an operation immediately.

I am not holding the NSG, responsible in this regard.. but the pandus who were supposed to cleanse the area, prior to the NSG's arrival. Nobody was able to get a picture inside, as the curtains were closed shut, and they remained so until the oft said 'final assault'.

PS : Usual disclaimers wrt. oraclizing apply..

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 30 Nov 2008 23:20

Not teh live link but go here: http://edition.cnn.com/video/?iref=videoglobal

select US and choose Tata videos..

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 30 Nov 2008 23:21

animesharma wrote:Something is cooking...

Friend, the only thing cooking now is Congress (I)'s goose...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 30 Nov 2008 23:24

WOLF BLITZER of CNN has two question

Can only 10 terrorists can do this job.
Is LeT and Pakistan invloved in the attack

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 30 Nov 2008 23:26

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008- ... 431743.htm

Ratan Tata (C), chairman of the Tata Group, stands in front of Taj Mahal hotel after the operation to dislodge militants in Mumbai November 29, 2008.(Xinhua/Reuters Photo)

National Security Guard members rest outside Taj Mahal Hotel after an operation in Mumbai November 29, 2008. (Xinhua/Reuters Photo)

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 30 Nov 2008 23:27

India Vulnerable from all sides

The government, however, prefers to sleep, waking up only to flounder from one crisis to another. Consider this: the Army officially requested both the defence and home ministries for bulk scanners for deploying at places like Jawahar Tunnel, Lakhanpur and Zoji La as well as road links being operationalised with Pakistan as far back as in July 2006. Despite subsequent reminders, there is no word on the scanners till now.

Sometimes, the government response is so tardy that even the Comptroller and Auditor General of India gets shocked. CAG's latest report laments the gaping holes in the existing radar coverage over India, holding that the radars present with IAF are grossly inadequate as well as obsolete.

My blood has vapourized!

vishnua · Post by **vishnua** » 30 Nov 2008 23:37

Fareed Zakaria 'anal'ysis

This Fire Needs to Be Put Out

Sai · Post by **Sai** » 30 Nov 2008 23:39

Maj Sandeep Unnikrishnan's father turned out Kerala CM when he visited the former's house to offer condolences. His reaction to the CM's visit was very angry, as seen on Times Now.

Predictably, commie channel NDTV is not reporting the matter. Brinda Karat, CPIM politician, is a relative of Prannoy Roy, whose channel often runs campaigns in favor of CPIM.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 30 Nov 2008 23:40

Xtian Science Monitor:

TSP and India Should work together.

Here are a few gems:

Both India and Pakistan know their abilities to uplift their poor would be hurt by another distracting confrontation. And with so many recent terrorist attacks within each country by a range of groups with grievances, the two nations need to find common ground. India now sees that a majority of Pakistanis are against global jihadists. And after this latest attack, it has every right to ask for information from Pakistan's military about likely groups behind the Mumbai assault, which may include Lashkar-i Tayyaba. If Pakistan's military does not cooperate with their civilian leaders, the US needs to use its leverage over that military and help India gain the reassurance that all Pakistani forces will not condone any sort of terrorism.
{LOL yeah, as seen in FATA}
The last thing the world needs now is a unilateral attack by India on suspected terrorists inside Pakistani-held territory. While such an attack may seem morally similar to US attacks against Al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, the history of war between the two neighbors – three since 1947 – would argue against such provocative action that could lead to nuclear war.{Basicallly asks us to be GUBOs}

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 30 Nov 2008 23:41

Sai wrote:Maj Sandeep Unnikrishnan's father turned out Kerala CM when he visited the former's house to offer condolences. His reaction to the CM's visit was very angry, as seen on Times Now.

Predictably, commie channel NDTV is not reporting the matter. Brinda Karat, CPIM politician, is a relative of Prannoy Roy, whose channel often runs campaigns in favor of CPIM.

Yes if it was someone like Modi, it would be headline news for a couple of days.

Tilak · Post by **Tilak** » 30 Nov 2008 23:41

Hariprasad wrote:
The Israeli press clearly seems hostile to India. I'm deeply disturbed by this given the bonhomie enjoyed by average Israeli on the Indian streets.

Hariprasadji

I am pretty sure going by your registration date, that you have come across the "external validation theory", that makes rounds here. I mean who is worried about what others say, it is your country that is being bled and we are worried about our citizenry first and their lives, not the "spirit of mumbai", "media projections/ image of India", and much less the peachy bollywoodies on news channels, who are probably lining up to promote their movies across the border at this moment with their "pakistan is a victim too.. give zardari a chance", those will come later.. after every thing else.

:Up for deletion:

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 30 Nov 2008 23:44

harbans wrote:For those who are advocating an all out War, can they elaborate on what that will achieve?

it will achieve the following:

apart from ending the paki nuclear blackmail, we will achieve

- split pakistan AGAIN
- names would be : baluchidesh, pakjab, sindhdesh (along the lines of bangladesh)
- we will have more countries playing cricket and join ICL (more revenues for india)
- hurriat members will be re-converted as brahmins, they can be employed as priests all over india
- NWFP can be absorbed by afghanistan
- elimination of islamic bomb

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 30 Nov 2008 23:45

Did anyone catch the verbal lashing received by Kerala CM and HM by Sandeep Unnikrishnan's father. It was in Malayalam, Did not understand it but he was very very angry. Slammed the door on the face of a CM's aide.

This is being shown repeatedely on all Suvarna news Kannada and TV9 channels and also on TimesNow

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 30 Nov 2008 23:45

mraghu wrote:Did anyone catch the verbal lashing received by Kerala CM and HM by Sandeep Unnikrishnan's father. It was in Malayalam, Did not understand it but he was very very angry. Slammed the door on the face of a CM's aide.

This is being shown repeatedely on all Suvarna news Kannada and TV9 channels and also on TimesNow

I can translate it if you give me the link. Thanks

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 30 Nov 2008 23:48

Will someone please also compile a list of news outlets along with their web addresses, who dished out equal-equal over this event?

I am going to wait until something bad happens to them, then go on the offensive writing condescending socialist peacenik bullcrap in their comments section. I urge everyone to also do the same.

I have my targets already marked out.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 Nov 2008 23:48

Cohen on CNN with FZ, talks about the railway station named after a Hindu reeks of his ignorance about the land and the symbols. When was the station renamed? Except for the name there is no Hindu value to it. Experts, duh?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 30 Nov 2008 23:50

mraghu wrote:Did anyone catch the verbal lashing received by Kerala CM and HM by Sandeep Unnikrishnan's father. It was in Malayalam, Did not understand it but he was very very angry. Slammed the door on the face of a CM's aide.

This is being shown repeatedely on all Suvarna news Kannada and TV9 channels and also on TimesNow

For how many years the family has been in Bangalore?
Are they long time residents

Sai · Post by **Sai** » 30 Nov 2008 23:51

vishnua wrote:Fareed f...ing Zakaria 'anal'ysis

This Fire Needs to Be Put Out

Not half as obnoxious as pro-Congress editor Shekhar Gupta's lying and deceptive piece:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/171320?tid=relatedcl

While he pretends to blame (that too not in straightforward manner) UPA government's repeal of POTA, he cleverly does not mention the fact that his own newspaper ran a vicious, politically-motivated campaign against POTA on the same lines as the Congress did.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 30 Nov 2008 23:51

What kinda of sickness is this ? Sending sniffer dogs for the safety of a CM ? Is this how we respect to our soldiers ? My blood boils

Unnikrishnan refused to allow police sniffer dogs into the house when security personnel came there ahead of the Kerala Chief Minister's visit to perform their duties.

This is from the TOI

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 30 Nov 2008 23:53

Sandeep was born and brought up in Bangalore, He studied in FAPS ( Frank Antony Public School ), Not sure about his college and other studies.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 Nov 2008 23:54

Cohen talks about Cold Start, predicts tough 2-3 months and things could happen.

samuel.chandra · Post by **samuel.chandra** » 01 Dec 2008 00:06

Also, for those worried about re-hyphenation with Pakistan. Cohen just re-hyphenated us with several 'weak governments' in the region. India/Pakistan/Bangladesk/Sri-lanka.

So we should not really listen to who they hyphenate us with. They all have their own agenda's. The de-hyphenation will occur automatically when we give the pakis a solid jhapad.

SwamyG wrote:Cohen talks about Cold Start, predicts tough 2-3 months and things could happen.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 01 Dec 2008 00:07

p_saggu wrote:Will someone please also compile a list of news outlets along with their web addresses, who dished out equal-equal over this event?

I am going to wait until something bad happens to them, then go on the offensive writing condescending socialist peacenik bullcrap in their comments section. I urge everyone to also do the same.

I have my targets already marked out.

Remember that for LeT types, Chhatrapati Shivaji is a bugaboo. I'd not be shocked if they chose the station for that reason.

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 01 Dec 2008 00:08

Hariprasad wrote:
On Friday, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said it was clear that Indian forces were not on par with elite Israeli units.

it is true that if this had happened in their country:
- they would have responded faster (its a small country)
- they have more experience (small country at war surrounded by countries of religion of piss)
- their government is not so secular (small country mostly made of one jewish party or another jewish part)
- their F-16 pilots are sitting in their planes, with one finger on missile launcher and engines revving all the time (small country surrounded by country of religion of piss)
- israeli military gets goodies from USA (small country dependent on USA)

in short, israel is a small country surrounded by a primitive enemy

in india, the situation is entirely different

- diverse political landscape
- nuclear armed junkistan
- corrupt, inept, self serving governing politicians taking orders from italian desh-ki-bahu

india is a large country with much bigger shoreline and land borders, with an enemy who is encouraged by china and supplied by USA, yet india is handling the situation and making progress on every front.

Still:
the indian military keeps out of politics and does its best with whatever resources it has, their courage and sacrifice is as great as any israeli soldier

Therefore:
Indians consider israel their friend, but indians would prefer israeli "experts" or israeli forum members don't pass judgement on recently concluded military operation

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 01 Dec 2008 00:09

Check out his WK Gloves, They are in Army colours.