Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Dec 2008 12:52

Seems like they are pissing in their pants

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 01 Dec 2008 12:54

When I went through the previous blasts thread and compare it with the current event's thread, it gives me a sense of deja vu, all over again.

Pakis are killing Indians like flies, the politicians don't have a clue, the elites are busy talking and the public is pi$$e.

Tiresome, until the cycle starts all over again in the next bomb-blast.

Hey admins, this may seem cruel but can you guys create a bomb-blast archive ? Save all the rona-dhona threads under that category.

It will be easier to copy and paste our ideas from the previous versions.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 01 Dec 2008 12:55

krishnan wrote:Seems like they are pissing in their pants

Zardari is. Which means diddly squat.

We need to make ISI piss in their pants.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 01 Dec 2008 13:04

krishnan wrote:Seems like they are pissing in their pants

Yes, but still not acting. Whats stopping him from acting NOW? Plus, its probably his real bosses, the ISI, that is making him sing.

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 01 Dec 2008 13:05

It seems there is a sense as if things are under control and terrorists are killed, but many questions remain to be answered.

who is in charge of the local investigation?
(not the larger question about LeT and ISI, but finer details as below)

- who coined the name "Deccan Mujahuddin" (need local help)
- who escorted the pigs in (need local help)
- how we know everything the girly-pig is saying is truth (what if 20 or 30 terrorists actually arrived, and have melted away either too scared or for later missions)
- what if the ATS chief's murder was not "random" (need insider info as to whereabouts of ATS chief, or someone insider guided the ATS chief's car into a trap)
- what if someone in media was broadcasting pictures / information to aid the terrorists (e,g, to give operational details of the NSG work), for example a rogue cameraman
- who smuggled in the weapons and granades (it could not have been a single ferry with 10 pigs)
- what was the role of dawood the super pig in this
- what are known hostile muslim groups in mumbai, need their entire whereabouts / phone records / travel records leading up to this day of massacre
- what type of RDX was used (i.e. was there any fingerprint in the chemical make up of the RDX)
- what was the make of dry-fruits that the pigs were eating
- what was the brand of shoes pigs were wearing
- what make shirts, pants, undies they were wearing
- which two of the 10 pigs were talking to the TV station
- from which hotel

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 01 Dec 2008 13:07

I would recommend for a link on ISI of Pakistan to analyse

How ISI is linked to different countries and their intelligence?
What is the structure of the ISI?
How do they train Terrorists?

It is essential to trace out -
Whether they can be aware of these plans of attacks?
Whether they are operating under the Pakistan government or under military or independently?
Whether they can be influenced by countries like China or Western Intelligence?
Whether they are more powerful than the government?
Do they keep their plans and their secrets known to the higher authorities in Pakistan?

These are a few questions one has to analyse. ISI can play between government and many other agencies in particular their links with many of the terror groups.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 01 Dec 2008 13:08

Sky TV shows amateur camera footage for girlie-boy being tackled by Mumbai crowd before his arrest by policemen. He stepped out of the Skoda with his arms in the air and then pulled out a gun from between his legs..fearless crowd attacked him from all sides!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2008 13:09

asprinzl wrote:Honestly, I dont think Israel has the capablity to launch wide scale sabotage operation in Pak_Is-Satan. I would like to think that India probably has more sleeper cells and other assets in there or at least have the ability to acquire such assets much better than Israel could mostly because of cultural/linguistic similarity. Thus looking for Israel to take the lead in someways would be a non-starter. I also don't think Israel is in any position to carry out joint aerial strikes either. America would shoot that down the moment NSC gets hold of any such whispers...........

Avram, that we can do.

once the politicians give the go-ahead. Can Israel convince THEM ?

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 01 Dec 2008 13:11

SandeepA wrote:Sky TV shows amateur camera footage for girlie-boy being tackled by Mumbai crowd before his arrest by policemen. He stepped out of the Skoda with his arms in the air and then pulled out a gun from between his legs..fearless crowd attacked him from all sides!

Sandeep video link pls!! Thanks.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 01 Dec 2008 13:12

akl wrote:
krishnan wrote:Seems like they are pissing in their pants
Yes, but still not acting. Whats stopping him from acting NOW? Plus, its probably his real bosses, the ISI, that is making him sing.

The point is, can they act?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2008 13:12

SandeepA wrote:Sky TV shows amateur camera footage for girlie-boy being tackled by Mumbai crowd before his arrest by policemen. He stepped out of the Skoda with his arms in the air and then pulled out a gun from between his legs..fearless crowd attacked him from all sides!

GUYS, PLEASE RECORD AND YOUTUBE IT.

I promise a bottle of any drink you may want !

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 01 Dec 2008 13:12

kobe wrote:It seems there is a sense as if things are under control and terrorists are killed, but many questions remain to be answered.

who is in charge of the local investigation?
(not the larger question about LeT and ISI, but finer details as below)

- who coined the name "Deccan Mujahuddin" (need local help)
- who escorted the pigs in (need local help)
- how we know everything the girly-pig is saying is truth (what if 20 or 30 terrorists actually arrived, and have melted away either too scared or for later missions)
- what if the ATS chief's murder was not "random" (need insider info as to whereabouts of ATS chief, or someone insider guided the ATS chief's car into a trap)
- what if someone in media was broadcasting pictures / information to aid the terrorists (e,g, to give operational details of the NSG work), for example a rogue cameraman
- who smuggled in the weapons and granades (it could not have been a single ferry with 10 pigs)
- what was the role of dawood the super pig in this
- what are known hostile muslim groups in mumbai, need their entire whereabouts / phone records / travel records leading up to this day of massacre
- what type of RDX was used (i.e. was there any fingerprint in the chemical make up of the RDX)
- what was the make of dry-fruits that the pigs were eating
- what was the brand of shoes pigs were wearing
- what make shirts, pants, undies they were wearing
- which two of the 10 pigs were talking to the TV station
- from which hotel

Did you go through the previous versions of the thread ?

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 01 Dec 2008 13:13

- India should have pursued a measured military strike at sea and sunk Paki naval assets during the Mumbai cleanup to make a much needed point and then delivered the real pain using covert means.

- The very first day of the terrorist attack, GOI should have announced a doubling of Afghan reconstruction aid, training for Afghan military and Air-Force on Indian soil and construction of 3 new Indian consulates within 100 km of Durand line.

- Israel should have been requested to send over 6 F-15's and 6 F-16's for 'routine exercises' and with F-15's based in Rajasthan and F-16's in Gujrat. Paki chain of command would have died of dehydration just p*ssing in their salwars and trembling...

- This should have been followed by steadily escalating economic warfare to make it prohibitively expensive for Samuddin to keep Pak-is-satan economy afloat.

- Clean up house, raise defense budget to 4.5% of GDP, approve major military acquisitions from EU nations under the condition of no military sales to Pakistan, ensure induction of indigenous military hardware in sufficient numbers Indian armed forces (Arjun etc.)...

That's what I would have done.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 01 Dec 2008 13:13

Rahul in party mood soon after Mumbai crisis
Mail Today Bureau
New Delhi, December 1, 2008

Even before the tears of Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan’s mother could dry up, Congress general secretary and heir apparent Rahul Gandhi went partying with his pals at a farmhouse on Delhi’s outskirts.

The Prince partied hard, till 5 in the morning, on Sunday at the ‘sangeet’ for the forthcoming wedding of Samir Sharma, his childhood friend. They were at a sprawling farmhouse at Radhey Mohan Chowk, the haven of people who lead charmed lives beyond Chhatarpur.

Just a day earlier, his sister Priyanka Vadra had caused a flutter by saying the late Indira Gandhi would have “made us very proud” by the way she would have reacted to the Mumbai terror strikes. Mumbai appeared to be far from her brother’s mind as he boogied at the farmhouse with Samir Sharma, US-based furniture designer son of Captain Satish Sharma, the late Rajiv Gandhi’s flying partner who nursed the First Family’s pocketborough, Rae Bareli, till Sonia Gandhi chose to contest from there in 2004.

The Prince seemed to be completely out of sync with the mood of the nation post-26/11. Since Wednesday night, officials have been cancelling parties they were meant to host and even restaurants called off special events.

Saturday night’s ‘sangeet’ was a lavish affair. It was hosted by Leena Musafir, sister of the woman with whom Samir is getting married, and her husband Inder. The party was attended by over 800 guests, including regulars at Page 3 dos. “When everyone is cancelling parties or just keeping them low-key, Rahul Gandhi had no business to be celebrating. His action makes us lose faith in future leaders,” said Ajay Bahl, a leading corporate lawyer who was trapped in the thick of the action on 26/11 at The Oberoi, Mumbai, but managed to escape with the help of the hotel staff.

The Gandhis, including Sonia Gandhi’s mother Paola Maino, were present in strength at the 2004 wedding of Samir’s sister, Sarika, who is married to actorturned- TV producer Rahul Bhatt. Sarika and Rahul now manage a television production house.

The two families may be very close — Captain Sharma and his wife, Sterre, were present throughout the very private wedding of Priyanka Gandhi and Robert Vadra — but the circumstances now are very different.

As a guest at the ‘sangeet’ remarked on the condition of anonymity, “We were all partying, but none of us is a public person. Rahul Gandhi, however, is. He must be more responsible in his social appearances.

Courtesy: Mail Today

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index ... 2&Itemid=1

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 01 Dec 2008 13:21

Nayak wrote::..........
Did you go through the previous versions of the thread ?

thread is too long....

amit · Post by **amit** » 01 Dec 2008 13:22

SSridhar wrote:
Acharya wrote:
She was the one I was referring to in my earlier post when I described the BBC panel discussion on the Mumbai terror attack. She was the only one, among the four, who constantly called the bluff of the Pakistani journalist who was also a part of the discussion. She was relentless and everytime made the Pakistani mumble and squirm or try to change the discourse. Even then, she wouldn't let him go. I enjoyed it. There was an Indian as well who rather timidly kept quiet.

I have written her a mail complimenting her performance and dishing out some more facts that may be useful in another round of confrontation. I have also indicated to her I am ready to share the whole lot of info. that I have.

Sridhar,

I also watched that panel discussion. That Jang correspondent was forthing in the mouth and trying to come up with the usual excuses of Modi, Hindu terrorism etc when this lady Yasmin lady mowed him down by asking him something to the effect: "When will Muslim start to take responsibility, instead of blaming others?"

That literally stopped him on his tracks and then he blabbered all that nonsense of 20 per cent Muslims lording over 80 per cent Hindus for 700 years bull shit. I think that Jang idiot is a good case study of the prejudices and insecurities that is typical of the RAPE class and why the only way to deal with them is to use a whip on their backsides - they have immense respect for stronger authority. The WiKi-kandle kissing brigade would be raped by these RAPES if not for the broader class of Indians who see through them.

BTW who the hell was that Kaul lady from The Asian Age? What a blabbering idiot, she was even worse than the Jang fellow. Apart from her stupid comment that even if there's food shortage in India Pakistan is blamed, she was nodding enthusiastically when this Jang guy was bad mouthing India and trying to imply that it was actually Hindu terrorists who did the Mumbai carnage, until Yasmin cut him short.

I did see - at least I thought I did - Yasmin looking at her pityingly as she mouthed her inane bullshit.

It is indeed sad to see that not a single articulate Indian who could explain India's viewpoints in clear unambiguous terms in all the panel discussions on BBC, CNN. I sometimes wonder if the participants are deliberately chosen so as to bring either anti-Indian types or idiots like that Kaul lady. So that hard questions and real facts are not exposed to the audience.

BTW I also repeat your question, does anyone have any dope on the Kaul lady?

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 01 Dec 2008 13:23

Saw that on Sky TV news..very grainy picture. I have no means to record it. Will look up youtube.

amit · Post by **amit** » 01 Dec 2008 13:25

sampat wrote:
SandeepA wrote:Sky TV shows amateur camera footage for girlie-boy being tackled by Mumbai crowd before his arrest by policemen. He stepped out of the Skoda with his arms in the air and then pulled out a gun from between his legs..fearless crowd attacked him from all sides!
Sandeep video link pls!! Thanks.

This clipping was shown on BBC also once but subsequently I did not see it any more.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 01 Dec 2008 13:27

akl wrote:
We really need to stop thinking along such "paralyzing" lines. If they don't act. We must. That is the only right thing to do. There has to be a cost to such incident otherwise the entire world will see a big bull's eye in place of India when the open the world map and look in our direction.

Exactly that is what I am saying. They will not act (they can't act). We are on our own. We need to act.

vinay · Post by **vinay** » 01 Dec 2008 13:37

link to SkyNews site of video of pig being beaten/captured though its really hard to make out much

http://tinylink.com/?Ne30V3s0xn

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 01 Dec 2008 13:40

Vilasdumb Deshmukh resigned
Sushil Kumar Shinde to be next CM
(does not inspire confidence at all!!)

can't they get someone educated instead of ghatis?

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 01 Dec 2008 13:41

vinay wrote:link to SkyNews site of video of pig being beaten/captured though its really hard to make out much

http://tinylink.com/?Ne30V3s0xn

At least the common public in India can act.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 Dec 2008 13:47

Govt cannot feign ignorance.

Writings were there on the Wall of South & Noth Block

On May 9 2007, the home minister was asked in the Rajya Sabha, whether “it is a fact that there are strong apprehensions of terrorist threats to the country through the sea route?” “As per available reports,” he answered, “Pak based terrorist groups, particularly LeT, have been exploring possibilities of induction of manpower and terrorist hardware through the sea route...”

On December 8, 2007, the National Security Adviser, M.K. Narayanan, was educating the world at the 4th Regional Security Summit organised by the International Institute of Strategic Studies, the Manama Dialogue. “According to our intelligence reports,” he confided to the assembled sheikhs and experts, “there are now certain new schools that are now being established on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, which now specialise in the training of an international brigade of terrorists to fight in many climes. According to our information, recruits from 14 to 15 countries have been identified as amongst the trainees there... Training has become extremely rigorous — it is almost frightening in nature... Studies are being carried out about important targets, with regard to vulnerability, accessibility, poor security, absence of proper counter-terrorism measures, etc. The sea route, in particular, is becoming the chosen route for carrying out many attacks, even on land. References to this are to be found replete in current terrorist literature.” “Given India’s experience in dealing with terrorism,” he added, “I would like to therefore sound a note of warning, that there is no scope for complacency...”

On March 11, 2008, A.K. Antony addressed the “International Maritime Search and Rescue Conference,” in Delhi. He warned the delegates of “dangers of Terror attacks from the sea in the region.” In the course of his address, Antony admitted that the Coast Guard faces shortage of manpower as well as hardware. But “necessary steps are being taken to strengthen the search and rescue infrastructure of the Indian Coast Guard...”

On November 13, 2008, just a fortnight before the assaults at Mumbai, Manmohan Singh warned the BIMSTEC summit, “Terrorism and threats from the sea continue to challenge the authority of the state...”

By now it was time for Shivraj Patil to address yet another meeting of the DGs and IGs of Police. Thus on November 22, 2008, that is literally on the eve of the attacks in Mumbai, he told the police chiefs, “To control terrorism in the hinterland, we have to see that infiltration of terrorists from other countries does not take place through the sea routes and through the borders between India and friendly countries. The coastlines also have to be guarded through Navy, Coast Guard and coastal police. The states’ special branches and the CID should identify the persons forming part of the sleeper cells and lodging in cities and towns and studying in educational institutions and working in industries and professions...”

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/surprised/392625/0

amit · Post by **amit** » 01 Dec 2008 13:49

I was just going through the Marcos and NSG Ops thread in the Military forum. On page2 there's a story posted by Jagan which has a quote which should be memorized by every BRFite and passed on to every single acquaintance.

Also at Bombay Hospital is NSG’s Captain Amitendra Kumar Singh , who was part of the rescue operations at the Trident Hotel. His left eye is bandaged. It wells up with blood every three minutes but he doesn’t bother until a nurse wipes it with a tissue. He grimly warns, “These kind of operations are not restricted to Kashmir anymore. The attacks can happen anywhere, anytime. Till people are not aware and don’t take a stand, no security force in the world can protect them.’'

KiranM · Post by **KiranM** » 01 Dec 2008 14:01

Austin wrote:MARCOS being there is just a matter of sheer luck they are based just stone throw away from Taj , but lts assume had this tragedy happened in Bangalore or chennai where NSG took 8 hours to reach , the picture would have been different

Austin, Bangalore hosts the Parachute Regimental training centre. There will be few Para SF units undergoing training/ retraining.

George J wrote: Singha:
What ParaSF?

George J, in my opinion, the snipers in fatigues and carrying Dragunovs could have been Para SF.

I think the GOI propasal to have hubs for NSG around the country is a good proposal. They can be co-located with existing Army/NAvy/IAF infrastructure. Example, an NSG hub in Bangalore can be co-located with Parachute Regiment. In Mumbai, at Naval base in Colaba where MARCOs are bunked in.
This will also provide a good opportunity for cross-training at times of peace, joint ops at times of crisis (under NSG operational control for internal security) and provide a foundation for integrated doctrine.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2008 14:05

Hi folks thats a nice video of girlie boy getting caught ........can some one spread it across to new channel

KiranM , the point is it was just a co-incidence that MARCOS were stone throw away from Taj and hence could react , just sheer luck......but NSG took 8 hours , its clear MARCOS action could have saved many lives by engaging terrorist , but image things getting delayed if one had to depend on NSG.

I am not sure how capable Para SF are dealing with such situation ....... its seems to be Marcos and NSG are the best equipped and trained for this task.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2008 14:15

afaik the para Cdo units do not train for hostage rescue.

I am kinda doubtful how much of marcos training time is spent on hostage
rescue as they are heavily involved (with para SF) in conventional CT duties.

did anyone notice the light brown BPJs worn by the ATS did not look like
they could stop anything bigger than a pistol shot. semi-adequate for
dealing with gangsters with desi kattas but not too good for 700m/s
rifle bullets. they even kitted up some hotel staff and fire brigade in this
gown.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 01 Dec 2008 14:20

Johann, I'm removing this post as it has been already posted elsewhere.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 01 Dec 2008 14:22

Singha wrote:afaik the para Cdo units do not train for hostage rescue.

I am kinda doubtful how much of marcos training time is spent on hostage
rescue as they are heavily involved (with para SF) in conventional CT duties.

A very long time ago India Today ran a story, maybe even a cover story, on the Marcos. In that piece there was a photograph of the Marcos engaging terrorists who had taken hostages in a bus. If they practise (or practised) taking on terrorists in a hostage situation which involved a bus it is a fair bet that other situations are/were practised as well.

The photo I am talking about had one commando propping himself against the front 'bumper' of a bus so that his knees were bent (back towards the bus). The other commando jumped to stand on the first one's thighs and aimed an automatic at a terrorist in the bus using a double-handed grip.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Dec 2008 14:23

vishal wrote:
Singha wrote:afaik the para Cdo units do not train for hostage rescue.

I am kinda doubtful how much of marcos training time is spent on hostage
rescue as they are heavily involved (with para SF) in conventional CT duties.
A very long time ago India Today ran a story, maybe even a cover story, on the Marcos. In that piece there was a photograph of the Marcos engaging terrorists who had taken hostages in a bus. If they practise (or practised) taking on terrorists in a hostage situation which involved a bus it is a fair bet that other situations are/were practised as well.

The photo I am talking about had one commando propping himself against the front 'bumper' of a bus so that his knees were bent (back towards the bus). The other commando jumped to stand on the first one's thighs and aimed an automatic at a terrorist in the bus using a double-handed grip.

BR has that photo in its article about Marcos. Most probably DDM would have copied it from BR for all we know.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2008 14:32

Marcos are trained for hostage rescue operation , but I guess they are elite force and trained for war SF mission , NSG are more dedicated folks.

May be I missed this , but did the Marcos completely leave the scene once NSG was in numbers or did they performed joint ops with NSG ?

One more question ....... now if you remember Russian SF used a special gas to num the terrorist in the Theater seige , so instead of engaging terrorist in close combat , do we have such chemical gas which would immediately faint these terrorist if they are not wearing a gas mask and catch them alive , instead of killing them , making sure an anti-dote is kept so that its not fatal ?

Added Later: The russians refused to identify what chemical gas did they exactly use which was so effective , many western intell people wanted to know exactly what they used.

vdas · Post by **vdas** » 01 Dec 2008 14:37

The captured porki should be transfered to cell having couple of H O R N Y piggiees

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Dec 2008 14:42

KiranM wrote:
George J wrote: Singha:
What ParaSF?
George J, in my opinion, the snipers in fatigues and carrying Dragunovs could have been Para SF.

GJ categorically said that only the MARCOS have the folding stock dragunov, the SVDS.
if that is correct then those SF have to be MARCOS.

moreover, we haven't heard of any Army commando in ops and they anyway don't train for urban hostage rescue.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Dec 2008 14:49

The gas caused lots of deaths too. The russians declined to comment on what the gas was and why so many causalities

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2008 14:54

krishnan wrote:The gas caused lots of deaths too. The russians declined to comment on what the gas was and why so many causalities

The death was due to slow response of medic team and non availability of anti-dote at the hospital , in that case the hostage has also not eaten anything for few days.

It was a combination of factors , but the russian were not quick with the antidote.

The best part of the gas was it was colorless and odor less , so no one knew something was coming till it hit them

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 01 Dec 2008 15:07

this from BBC:

Our correspondent says the latest revelation, in police reports, that personal belongings of 15 men were found aboard an abandoned ship from which the attacks were launched has raised questions as to whether all the gunmen have been found.

KiranM · Post by **KiranM** » 01 Dec 2008 15:10

Rahul M wrote:
KiranM wrote: George J, in my opinion, the snipers in fatigues and carrying Dragunovs could have been Para SF.
GJ categorically said that only the MARCOS have the folding stock dragunov, the SVDS.
if that is correct then those SF have to be MARCOS.

moreover, we haven't heard of any Army commando in ops and they anyway don't train for urban hostage rescue.

RahulM, I thought otherwise because of the fatigues. MARCOs, in all the pics I have seen, wear only black. I will stand corrected if otherwise.

From what I have read, Paras are seconded to NSG to hone Hostage rescue and Urban CQB skills. Case in point being the late Gajendra Singh (may he RIP) from 10 Para. Since, tenure in NSG is rotational, atleast quite a number of Para SF personnel must have rotated into NSG and back to parent unit (my speculation).

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 01 Dec 2008 15:13

1. While it is important that given the size of India we need to have QRTs stationed in appropriate locations, I hope this idea of placing NSG detachments in six cities does not end up eroding the capapbility of the force.

2. The SAG form the sword arm of NSG. IIRC, there are two battalions of SAG-51 and 52. So how do we spread out the NSG across the country? Companies/Sqns from the two SAG battalions are placed at each location? Or, do we raise additional SAG battalions? If it is former, it could be detrimental for team/battalion cohesion. The latter case is more desirable but will place additional strain on the IA in terms deputing manpower to the NSG

3. Another important matter is that of infrastructure. The teams train very hard, day in and day out. The kind of infrastruture required and provided for this training is quite extensive and expensive. Will the goverenment replicate the infrastructure (albiet to a smaller scale) in each of the locations? SF being a strategic asset, it is not by coincidence that they are centralized in terms of control and location.

4. Assuming that the country is divided into various zones with NSG teams in each zonal HQs responsible for that zone, will the airwing/dedicated assets (fixed wing or rotary) be provided in each zone?

4. IMHO, what is needed are SWAT style units which can intervene and provide the neccessary firepower to take on terrorists and hold the situation till more NSG teams can internvene.

PNarayanan · Post by **PNarayanan** » 01 Dec 2008 15:17

Hello All,
I have been following many of the BRF discussions very closely, and am curious to pose a few questions and understand the setup. So most of us are all very well aware and knowledgeable about the various units, teams, setups within the armed forces, special forces.

1) I watched the interview of the MARCOS commander and he mentioned - it was really dark, and they didnt have the layout.

2) the NSG guards, I respect every moment they spent to eliminate the target, and clear every room of potential explosives, but the movement was still restricted due to darkness, no power, fire etc etc.

Dont our units have NVG's(night vision goggles) and Thermal Imagine Scopes for the specialist rifles ?

I read that after Kargil war, India went on a rampage and purchased a whole bunch of these? Shouldnt they be brought into use, wouldnt that have shortened the timeline for search and rescue and even combat operations ?

What makes a special forces soldier different from the regular infantryman ? i am sure its not just running around completing an obstacle course in Manesar, and carrying an MP-5. I am sure the "special" is more than that.

I am open for feedback, and if anyone has more information to share, please feel free to add.

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 01 Dec 2008 15:18

welcome to BRF, I bet you will be asked to change your screen name to some human sounding one.