Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

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Postby achit » 03 Dec 2008 00:28

Tata Groups -Media Report

some of the media report about Taj hotel, staff and attacks as collected by Tata groups.

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Postby Vinay_D » 03 Dec 2008 00:30

Pakistan is global migraine: Albright

The reality-challenged distinction between the role of the Pakistani government and terror freelancers operating out of its soil does not have many takers. Opinion makers in the West have been asserting that many elements, including terrorism, in Pakistan are causes of international worries.

A former top US official, Madeline Albright, has described India’s hostile neighbour as an “international migraine”.

“...My own sense is Pakistan has everything that gives you an international migraine. It has nuclear weapons, it has terrorism, extremists, corruption, very poor and it’s in a location that’s really, really important to us. And now with this issue with India. So, I think that president Bush and the secretary of state, who’s on her way to India now, have a very big job ahead of them,” said Ms Albright.

“And I also do think that the next president and the secretary of state are going to have to pay a great deal of attention to that combination of issues, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, that all fit together. That’s very important to the United States,” she added.

Policy makers in the West, particularly the US, have been arguing that since India is emerging in many ways as Washington’s important ally as a strong regional counterweight to Russia, the policy direction should tilt toward India.

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Postby blacktiger » 03 Dec 2008 00:34

A rare balanced article from Paki media:

http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/12/02 ... bai-attack

Some excerpts:

"By staging an attack the Indian government can’t ignore, the Mumbai attackers have set in motion an existential crisis for Pakistan. The reality of Pakistan cannot be transformed, trapped as the country is between the United States and India. Almost every evolution from this point forward benefits Islamists. Strategically, the attack on Mumbai was a precise blow struck to achieve uncertain but favorable political outcomes for the Islamists."

"Former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld once said that the enemy gets a vote. The Islamists cast their ballot in Mumbai."

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Postby aditya » 03 Dec 2008 00:35

Communist defends uncouth Kerala Chief Minister's despicable remarks

"His utterances were perhaps unbecoming of a chief minister but I understand his anger, I justify his anger. I don't think that the family should have behaved that way,'' said A B Bardhan, CPI leader.

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Postby Uddalak » 03 Dec 2008 00:40

Good article in the Times.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 269730.ece


"On the day after the attacks began the Indian writer, campaigner and serial explanatist, Arundhati Roy, lambasted her own country on The World Tonight on Radio 4, for its rural poverty and its fluctuating support for Hindu nationalism. These, she seemed to suggest, were root causes of the terror. Elsewhere, analysts have pointed to the 60-year-old Kashmiri crisis as fuelling the jihad. More exotically the writer Misha Glenny now suggests that organised crime in the Pakistani city of Karachi is “the operational key” to such attacks (he has just written a book about international organised crime), but that the origins of last week's nightmare lie “in the deterioration in relations between Hindus and Muslims in Mumbai and India”. Well, these things are bad. Kashmir is bad. Hindu communalism is bad.

Poverty is bad. You can see the reasons for warfare in Kashmir, for riots in Hyderabad and for Maoist uprisings in the deep rural areas of India. But why kill the rabbi? Why invade the small headquarters of a small outreach sect of a small religion, which far from being even a big symbol of anything, you would almost certainly need a detailed map and inside knowledge even to find?

From what has been learnt from the one surviving attacker, the baby-faced and variously pre-named Mr Kasab, his group came largely from the rural southern Punjab in Pakistan. It is therefore unlikely that any of them had even encountered a Jew, or knew anyone else who had. "

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Postby jimmyray » 03 Dec 2008 00:46

hegde wrote:India Times suggests BJP may be have wanted to eliminate Karkare as he was getting too nosey, and that the Mumbai attacks may have been a repeat of Malegaon

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/New ... 771089.cms

Parivar doublespeak: Villain in life, hero in death
29 Nov 2008, 0102 hrs IST, ET Bureau

Print EMail Discuss Share Save Comment Text:
MUMBAI: The heroic death of Maharashtra’s Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare in counter-terror operations has left the BJP-Shiv Sena
combine with egg on its face. On Friday, Narendra Modi, BJP’s poster-boy chief minister and Hindutva mascot, paid lofty tributes to Karkare and other senior cops who lost their lives in the counter attack.

But before his death on duty, Mr Karkare and his colleagues at the ATS were at the receiving end of almost a slanderous attack not only by BJP and Shiv Sena leaders, but also by several Sangh Parivar organisations for the ongoing ATS probe into the Malegaon blasts. ....

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This exactly what the Porki media is also saying. Actually it is our own secular media that handed over the Hindu terror, argument to Porkis and western media on a platter. In last few months the pseudoseculars were taking extreme orgasmic pleasure in presenting this angle to the world. We now have Jai Chand’s bloodline flourishing in India. Or perhaps these pseudos are new mutants.

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Postby svinayak » 03 Dec 2008 00:51

http://krishashok.wordpress.com/2008/11 ... aring-guy/

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A small request to the Taj hotel management. How about a one-week, all-expenses-paid vacation for these guys at your hotel? This was about the only time they could have afforded to sit in your reception

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Postby svinayak » 03 Dec 2008 00:55

Pranay wrote:A couple of observations taking into consideration all that has occurred and is being reported now as posted above--

1) With the present state of affairs - a bunch of guys can easily enter Bombay Harbor in a fishing boat with a dirty bomb and devastate not just Bombay but as a consequence the entire economy of India.


2) All the MRCA's - Scorpenes - T-90 tanks etc etc are useless when 10 uneducated cannon fodder with a year of training can bring Bombay to it's knees. What if instead of the 10 terrorists there were 100???

We need to tackle the basics, not to be brought up after every tragedy but to be tackled proactively, with time bound agendas for implementation.

Without that everything else is a house of cards that will come crumbling down as we have recently witnessed in Bombay.


It is not just the sea.
THey can walk and cross the land border too.

Some scenario which have been discussed are also that a bullock cart can cross the border into India with the dirty nukes and be used inside India.

No border can be protected for everything.

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Postby ramana » 03 Dec 2008 00:57

Folks a request to those who are still in the sorrow phase. Please confine rants to this thread only. It makes the admins life more taxing if on starts ranting all over the threads. Thanks, ramana

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Postby bart » 03 Dec 2008 01:03

Acharya wrote:http://krishashok.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/dear-21yr-old-fake-versace-t-shirt-wearing-guy/

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A small request to the Taj hotel management. How about a one-week, all-expenses-paid vacation for these guys at your hotel? This was about the only time they could have afforded to sit in your reception



Hey...wait a second.

Didn't some idiot desi/British media show a close up of that chair stating it to be weapons used by the terrorists? Looks like the NSG guys were resting and the photo of their weapons was published with an imaginative caption.

IIRC somebody did point out at the time that those were MP5s while the terrorists had AK-series knockoffs.

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Uddalak wrote:From what has been learnt from the one surviving attacker, the baby-faced and variously pre-named Mr Kasab, his group came largely from the rural southern Punjab in Pakistan. It is therefore unlikely that any of them had even encountered a Jew, or knew anyone else who had. "


Oh, thats simple. It is because Israelis opress palestinians. Also because Jews control the banks, world economy and are behind 9/11. Also because of nuclear bombs and the Narmada dam. :roll:

The best way to deal with Mr Roy's is to either ignore her or send her mushrraf to pakistan. I am sure with all her verbal diarrhea and intellectual constipation she will feel at home there.

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Postby Anujan » 03 Dec 2008 01:08

bart wrote:
Acharya wrote:http://krishashok.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/dear-21yr-old-fake-versace-t-shirt-wearing-guy/

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A small request to the Taj hotel management. How about a one-week, all-expenses-paid vacation for these guys at your hotel? This was about the only time they could have afforded to sit in your reception



Hey...wait a second.

Didn't some idiot desi/British media show a close up of that chair stating it to be weapons used by the terrorists? Looks like the NSG guys were resting and the photo of their weapons was published with an imaginative caption.

IIRC somebody did point out at the time that those were MP5s while the terrorists had AK-series knockoffs.


I am partly the culprit. Washingtonpost quoting the associated press had the pictures with a caption something to the effect of "several arms were recovered from the terrorists". I fell for that and was surpised because I had read reports of only AK-47s. A Rakshak here pointed out that it was a crop from a bigger photo showing NSGs resting after the op.

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Postby archan » 03 Dec 2008 01:21

Victor wrote:Uh, oh…the old fax again:
India renewed its years-old demand for about 20 fugitives it believes are hiding in Pakistan, via a protest note given to Pakistan's High Commissioner Shahid Malik in New Delhi on Monday

India demands Pakistani hand over fugitives

Meaningless. Nothing will come out of it.
Even Obama has said that "sovereign nations have a right to protect themselves" and our leaders still won't get a clue. Are we so afraid of the economic consequences? if yes, then our economy will probably not take off any way since it is nearly impossible to create an atmosphere of security in the country unless pakjehadis are vaporized. Are we concerned by their nukes? well then start making conditions both politically as well as militarily (should have been in process, if not already is) that they never get to use them. If they do, then limit the damage and make sure they cannot ever repeat the misadventure. I am sure if it had the will and self confidence, a nation like Bharat can do this much. Today's conditions are such that both unkil and dragon are concerned by the paki love for jehad. This is the best time to strike IMO.

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Postby bart » 03 Dec 2008 01:41

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/12/ ... newsletter

A very nice article. The guy is a bit of a romantic, but still a breadth of fresh air amongst all the left wing nuts trying to kick us in the face amidst all our sorrow.

Somehow the articles on sites like WSJ, Forbes etc have been a lot more understanding and upbeat. Seems to indicate that at least in business circles strong ties have been formed that will weather such storms.

The other mainstream media like LAT or NYT have articles by leftists who are well and truly removed from reality, though they do have most of the voice in the media. :evil:

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Postby Pranay » 03 Dec 2008 01:48

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/India/10263916.html

Writeup by Mr. D'Souza who took th pictures of the terrorist at VT.

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Postby Sanjay » 03 Dec 2008 01:59

Gentlemen, I have read and re-read what has been posted regarding the police.

Everyone and his cat is now an expert on Indian security services and the picture is distorted with some half-truths.

First of all - that piece about the 577 weapons is quite misleading. What that is about is the quantity of weapons "procured". It doesn't even say what year.

The same piece contradicts itself when it talks about the SRPF having SLRs - that's several thousand men armed with a reasonable rifle.

There have been very substantial infusions of modern weapons to the Indian police. Please read the MHA reports over the last few years. According to the 2005-2006 report, 71,717 INSAS, 23,899 SLRs and 34,880 AK-47s have been procured for the state police forces in the last few years.

Remember Punjab got 60,000 SLRs in the 1990s, Bihar ordered several thousand and the UP PAC has fully equipped 100 companies with the type.

52 companies of the PAC in UP were put through their paces by the army and several other forces confronting Naxalites have undertaken similar programs.

The article does make a very good point about firing practice. That's why none of the cops at CST hit anything. Those rifles do take some skill to use.

Even then progress has been made in the Naxal states where policemen have been sent back for re-training after failing to pass marksmanship and physical prowess tests.

Body armour used by CPMFs and the army has been combat tested. There should be no reason why substandard stuff should be passed on to the police.

It would appear, therefore, that emphasis has been placed on providing equipment and training to the forces facing naxalites (apart from those facing insurgencies) and on the India Reserve Battalions.

Training of these units is painfully slow owing to completely inadequate infrastructure.

Let's also face the fact that it is time to do away with the concept of the unarmed constable. Every policeman in urban India must now be armed. Revolvers and pistols would do just fine.

However there is absolutely no excuse for poorly maintained weapons. The fault there lies with the police themselves. Why is it that a reliable weapon like a Sterling carbine jammed after 3 rounds and why on earth was the magazine charged with only 10 rounds ? Weapons need to be maintained properly.

But weapons and practice aren't everything. The whole psychology of the police to face these attacks has to be changed. Can one really expect a constable who is to catch a thief to play Rambo and fight a terrorist ? Can one really expect policemen who are fundamentally civilians in uniform to be soldiers ?

Even the armed police battalions are really a gendarmarie rather than paramilitary units geared up for a fight. That may slowly be changing with the army training being imparted to some APBs but the whole psychology of these units needs to be altered.

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Postby Shreeman » 03 Dec 2008 02:03

Media management of media management - both indian and foreign. Tone is changing to plausible deniability/vague finger pointing towards culprits but no future action.

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Postby kshirin » 03 Dec 2008 02:19

bart wrote:http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/12/01/bombay-jihadis-india-oped-cx_mk_1202kaylan.html?partner=commentary_newsletter

A very nice article. The guy is a bit of a romantic, but still a breadth of fresh air amongst all the left wing nuts trying to kick us in the face amidst all our sorrow.

Somehow the articles on sites like WSJ, Forbes etc have been a lot more understanding and upbeat. Seems to indicate that at least in business circles strong ties have been formed that will weather such storms.

The other mainstream media like LAT or NYT have articles by leftists who are well and truly removed from reality, though they do have most of the voice in the media. :evil:


Fabulous article, it choked me up, couldn't have said it better....

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Postby kshirin » 03 Dec 2008 02:26

Acharya wrote:http://krishashok.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/dear-21yr-old-fake-versace-t-shirt-wearing-guy/

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A small request to the Taj hotel management. How about a one-week, all-expenses-paid vacation for these guys at your hotel? This was about the only time they could have afforded to sit in your reception


I second that. I have always felt the poorer Indians are the ones with real culture and values. They, every one of them, deserve five star treatment. Can't be done of course since now we have too many of them....but they are good people unlike the bloated power elite.

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Postby Johann » 03 Dec 2008 02:28

A grounded sense of confidance comes from knowing what you are can do, and knowing how to do it.

Basic weapons training is not just marksmanship on the range, but how to care for your weapon, how to clear stoppages, etc.

Realistic tactical training both individual and at the group level is what comes next.

Among those who show aptitude more intensive training not just in immediate action drills, but how to make tactical decisions.

To disseminate all of this through police forces will be a slow, difficult and expensive process.

What would be quicker and provide greater capability would be to establish something like CO19 or the original LAPD SWAT - a small group of master instructors who can also provide an emergency tactical response (point defence at times of heightened alert around likely targets, and a reserve quick response force), while working over time to improve the firearms training and tactics of the entire state/city police force.

The Indian Police Service has much of the right stuff for such a nucleus in the officers who have served, or are serving in the SPG.
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Postby Lalmohan » 03 Dec 2008 02:29

we should have a petition maybe to send to Ratan babu - I am sure his heart is big enough, and army protocol allowing, it would be a kind gesture for the best men of India

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Postby Pranay » 03 Dec 2008 02:32

The heights of hypocrisy and double standards!! No wonder i didn't vote for him...

McCain opposes military action against Pak

Press Trust of India
Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:58 PM (New Delhi)
Influential US Senator John McCain on Tuesday opposed India launching military strikes against Pakistan in the wake of Mumbai attacks saying there was "no hard evidence yet" for such action and he would tell Islamabad to cooperate in the probe.

McCain, who ran unsuccessfully in the US Presidential poll last month, said he "assumed" that the Pakistan government would cooperate with India in bringing the perpetrators of Mumbai attacks to book.

Earlier, McCain along with fellow Senators Joe Liebermann and Lindsey Graham met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and expressed solidarity with India in the wake of the terror attacks.

"We would be meeting Pakistan General (Ashfaq) Kiyani over the weekend and raise some questions with him," Senator Joe Liebermann told reporters here.

"I assume the Government of Pakistan will cooperate. They realise that this act of terror is not something that affects India but all the civilised nations," McCain said.

"No," was his reply to a question whether the Mumbai attacks were a "fit case" for India to launch military action against Pakistan.

"We do not have hard evidence yet. Obviously, there are allegations that this organisation, this individual or this group were trained or operated or had some training in Pakistan," said McCain, who ran unsuccessfully in last month's US Presidential elections.

The senators pointed out that all parts of Pakistan were not completely under government control and the US is helping Islamabad gain control of the entire country.
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Postby kobe » 03 Dec 2008 02:33

the pigs can not just navigage to mumbai from karachi on their own even if they know math, english, and addresses of 72 virgins

pigs can not just get out of the boat and find where is the VT station, where is airport, where is Oberoi (only Taj is obvious to find).

Most likely scenario is Paki navy boat escorted them till porbandar, helped them steal a fishing boat, load the weapons, and helped them reach the shore line of mumbai (or specifically, gateway of india).

Other likely scenario is after they landed, the local sleeper-pigs helped them unload the weapons, and escorted them them to their killing fields

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Postby Lalmohan » 03 Dec 2008 02:42

kobe wrote:Most likely scenario is Paki navy boat escorted them till porbandar, helped them steal a fishing boat, load the weapons, and helped them reach the shore line of mumbai (or specifically, gateway of india).


i would suggest that PN officers and SSG Naval units accompanied them to the landing ground to drop them and then withdrew. Possibly ISI/SSG handlers took the taxi to the airport as we were discussing earlier - team A and team B

plenty of reason to make a punitive strike on the PN

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Postby Gerard » 03 Dec 2008 02:51

On September 24, R&AW’s computer recorded another satellite phone conversation. This time, the LeT asset identified the hotels that were being considered for the attack by name. They were the Taj, the Marriott, the Land’s End and the Sea Rock. A possible attack on the Juhu airfield (used by a flying club) was also discussed.


And just why is information of this sort on RAW capabilities being published in the media?

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Postby cbelwal » 03 Dec 2008 02:54

Apparently an SPG team left minutes before the attack

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... or+attacks

Hotel sources said that SPG team was asked to stay for dinner. But they declined, and left the hotel minutes before it was stormed by the terrorists.

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Postby ramana » 03 Dec 2008 03:02

Gerard, After Kargil, RAW is deathly afraid of being stuck with the intel failure label again. So they are a leaking fast and furious.
The story so far is RAW monitored those phone calls and had informed the jt intel collection center of the potential marine bound terrorists and gave hotel names too. And they say they have no ops direction to work inside India. Since its foreign terrorists, shouldnt that be an IB problem? It cant be tossed at Mumbai ATS which can handle only domestic gangsters and SIMIan terrorists. It hasnt faced jihadi suciced squads.

Shouldnt the PM authorise all hands to stop the terrorists? What is he waiting for a bus? Or sign from heaven to do his duty? All that directives are routed via MKN. Did he also thinkg the buck stops with passing nebulous messages. Did he alert shore based groups? Informing Coast guard to look for a fishy fishing boat is ridiculous. His role doesnt end there. He shouldnt sleep till those fellows are routed out.

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Postby harbans » 03 Dec 2008 03:06

Sumsam terms Indian demand of handing over 20 Pakistanis as premature

ISLAMABAD, Dec 2 (APP): Minister of State for Information Syed Sumsam Ali Bukhari Tuesday said that it is a hasty and premature step on part of Indians to demand 20 Pakistani citizens with regard to investigation of Mumbai attacks.Talking to Geo News, the Minister said that the Indians have so for not shared any evidence with Pakistan that could establish the links of Pakistani citizens in Mumbai attacks.

At such a stage there is no question of handing over Pakistani citizns to Indians on their demand, he said. However, if they have some solid evidence they should share it with Pakistan and then laid down procedure would be followed to move ahead, he added.


http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?opt ... 5&Itemid=2

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Postby harbans » 03 Dec 2008 03:10

^^^ And guess what, GOI won't have a clue what to do next after this very expected response.

This is the crap that i wanted to avoid and have attempted explaining in the other response thread. In no TV debate can you convince anyone rational the need for 20 to be handed over. Paki's win hands down on this one. :evil:

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Rally in support of Victims of Mumbai( India ) Terror attack



November 30,2008: San Francisco



The gruesome attacks of terror on the financial hub of India , the city of Mumbai , which have resulted in the loss of over 200 innocent lives and injury to hundreds more, have benumbed not just India but the entire world. This was by all accounts the biggest and the most vicious terrorist attack the world has seen since 9/11, and one among the many India has suffered this year. Over 30 community organizations in the Bay Area, California , came together on Nov 30th at San Francisco , to pay homage to the victims and their families and also express solidarity in this global war on terror.



Despite being organized on a short notice, concerned citizens from various walks of life came together for the vigil and expressed their solidarity with the victims of Mumbai attack. As per the organizers, more than expected numbers had shown up even before the rally formally began. Many bystanders and passersby boosted the morale of attendees and claimed their support against terrorism as well. Over three hundred people, who came with sorrow in their heart but bonded by their indomitable spirit, raised their voices in unison to fight back against terrorism spread by the radicals all around the world. At the beginning of this united rally all attendees did a peaceful march, which was led by children and youth of the community. Among many were youngsters of Indian origin, who were born and brought up in USA , felt strongly about this ghastly audacity of the terrorists and came to show their support for the war against terrorism.



The reverberations of Mumbai attacks shook up the concerned citizens so much that more than 300 people from Bay Area joined the vigil. In his address to the attendees, Mr Khanderao Kand, National joint-secretary of the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, deplored the assaults from Islamic terrorism actively sponsored by Pakistan and Bangladesh and urged the Government of India to take strong measures to empower the Security agencies to pre-empt and check terrorism. Ms. Ashwini Surpur of FISI highlighted the need for the societies of the democratic world to unite against terror driven by religious fanaticism. The need of the hour is for the world community to recognize the urgency to come together and to fight terror in one voice, as was underscored by Chandru Bhambhra national vice-president of the Overseas Friends of Bharatiya Janata Party. Yogi Chugh from IAFPE expressed his views that “We must stand tall in this fight against terrorism and to eradicate it in every part of the world”



One of the speakers at the rally was Rabbi Perez Mochkin, who grew up with Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, who lost his life along with his wife’s in Chabad House in Mumbai. “In these trying times, we have a mission not to fight back with hatred”, said Mochkin, “but to turn sadness into goodness and kindness”. Mochkin further prompted people to take harder stance against terrorism all over the world. Prominent community leaders like Raj Bhanot, Jeevan Zutshi, Niraj Baxi, Madhu Upadhay, Lalit Mathur, Vijay Ruikar, Gaurang Desai, Gautam Desai, Prakash Gadgil, Govind Venkatasesha and Vijay Simha also lead the peace march.



The attendees of the vigil collectively adopted two resolutions directed against terrorism and prompting governments of the world to take stricter anti-terrorism measures. The resolutions spelled out that Indian government needs to put in place with urgency measures to strengthen security agencies and legal frameworks necessary to eliminate terror. A copy of resolution was submitted to the representative of Consulate General of India. The countries of the world, especially United States need to take a lead in ensuring that concerted international actions are taken to combat terrorism anywhere in the world. In parallel, pressure needs to be brought upon countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh to dissociate from sponsoring and supporting terrorism and extremism. The resolutions will be submitted to Government of India as well as the President of the United States . The rally concluded with tribute to those who lost their lives and a prayer for universal peace.



Community Organizations United Against Terrorism



Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS)

Sunnyvale Hindu Temple

Fremont Hindu Temple

Indo American Society of Bay Area

Federation of Indo American (FIA)

Indo American Forum for Political Education (IAFPE)

Democracies Against Terror (DAT- America, Israel , and India )

San Francisco Chabad Rabbis (Jewish Organization)

Samskrit Bharati

Yoga Bharati

Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP)

Hindu American Foundation

Sewa International

Ekal Vidyalaya

Overseas Friends of BJP( USA )

Friends of India Society International

Indo American Kashmiri Forum

Kashmiri Overseas Association

India Relief and Development Front

Kannad Koota North California (KKNC)

Bay Area Telgu Association (BATA)

India Cultural Association (Gujarati Association)

Bharati Tamil Sangam

Udiya Community of Bay Area

Silicon Andhra

Hindu Education Foundation

Rajasthan Association of America

Bay Area Indo American Lions Club




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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Sanjay » 03 Dec 2008 03:17

Johann, several cities and states have urban QRT units.

Chennai and Bangalore have reasonably well equipped teams, though I have concerns regarding the preponderance of SLRs as the principal weapon. Dehli's commandos are also well equipped and trained.

Mumbai seemed to treat its ATS as a glorified Flying Squad in terms of equipment. Note its job description as per the mumbai police website:

"Created by Government of Maharashtra, vide G.R. No. SAS-10/03/15/SB-IV,
dated July 8, 2004

To get information about anti-national elements working in any part of Maharashtra

To co-ordinate with Central information agencies, like IB, RAW and exchange information with them

To co-ordinate with similar agencies of other States

To track and eliminate activities of mafia and other organized crime syndicates

To detect rackets of counterfeit currency notes and smuggling narcotic substances"


Where exactly was its mandate to act as a QRT in a terrorist attack ?

However, the city has a QRT of sorts.

Mumbai has 4 Local Armed Police Units. LA I-IV.

LA I and the Riot Control Police are deployed in Naigaon, Mumbai 14.
There are three RCP companies.
One platoon in each company is trained in what are termed "anti-insurgency tactics". These were the guys we saw in Mumbai Police helmets but wearing camouflage and carrying AKs.
At Naigaon, one company would have been available that night - therefore one platoon would have been available as a QRT.

What Mumbai really needed was for all 3 companies to be viable QRTs for a terrorist situation.

The Local Armed Police are principally a slightly more heavily armed back up for the regular street cops.

The other issue to address is mobility. Of late it seems that central assistance has focussed on naxal prone states.

As an aside read this: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumb ... 501517.cms
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby svinayak » 03 Dec 2008 03:20

Rodney King trial in LA was estimated to have violence with 50k casualty.
Around 5000 security personel were recruited for that verdict.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Chinmayanand » 03 Dec 2008 03:25

Let us see wht the govt does , if it does anything except reshuffling its ministers and bureaucrats .Anyways , gonna kick Congress in its butt at the ballot all my life . Here is a question , how can civilians respond to pukiland ?

All tech guys in India should start cyberwarfare. Bring down all the puki websites , commercial , media , forums , banks, airlines... Hack them all ... for 60 hours ....

Cyber response from cyber citizens of India . Since, i am not a computer savvy , i leave it to those that who are . That shall be a great service to The Martyrs who lost their lives in this tragedy.

Any volunteers here ?

Jai Hind, Jai Bharat !!!

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Rony » 03 Dec 2008 03:34

Christine Fair of Rand on Mumbai Attacks on C-Span. Overall a balanced analysis from a american point of view

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?M ... HP-A-13054

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby kaangeya » 03 Dec 2008 03:37

A small request to the Taj hotel management. How about a one-week, all-expenses-paid vacation for these guys at your hotel? This was about the only time they could have afforded to sit in your reception


Not just the NSG, but also the Marcos+Bombay Fire Brigade+Bombay Police+Indian Army+Rapid Action Force+Medics+Ambulance Drivers+CST Rly Stn RPF Rakshaks and Rly Staff

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby ramana » 03 Dec 2008 03:49

How the Indian TV fought the ratings war!

From Deccan Chronicle, 3 Dec 2008

How TV stars won the war


New Delhi Dec. 2: India’s best-known television journalists appear to have finally beaten Ekta Kapoor in the battle for TRPs. In six days flat. The all-out war witnessed editors being paradropped, reporters lying prostrate on the ground when not blaring into the cameras, and a thousand “breaking stories” every day. Here’s how the TRPs were garnered, shot by shot, starting around 10.30 pm on Wednesday, November 26:

* Close in on the woman in tears — show her from every possible angle
and deliver a soul-wrenching commentary of what might be going through her mind.

* Repeatedly flash shots of the adorable, crying child. Shove your mike in his face. Oh! hasn’t learnt to talk yet, not even Yiddish? Ask the woman carrying the child how she rescued him from the carnage. Not maudlin enough? Ask how many dead bodies she saw, get a blood question in. Ask if she was scared, ask what she was thinking while bullets were being sprayed around.

* Download all background scores of Ramsay and his brothers —especially Khooni Shikanja, Vehshi Aatma and Shaitan Khopri — and play it every time (that is at least 25 times a minute) pictures of the terrorists are flashed.

* Catch a victim. Chase him. If it’s a “her”, then your channel’s reputation depends on getting an arousing account of how she felt — when she saw the bodies, the terrorists, when she heard the screams. Feelings. And get her to tell viewers what she was feeling when she saw her best friend’s body.

Remember, all world-class reportage always begins with that one question: “How are you feeling?” But it wasn’t just on borrowed ideas that the news channels competed for TRPs. The skills these news channels have been honing for a long time came in handy too. In order of priority:

* Flash “exclusive” — even if the reporter is sending in reports from outside the Taj Mahal Hotel, where at least 400 reporters are stationed. And for viewers gone blind while watching blood-curdling reportage, scream “exclusive” after every nine words.

* Forget that commandos are in the hotel trying to rescue innocent people. Scream into the mike and tell the world that you, and only you, have an “exclusive” bit of information from your source, now on the hotel’s 19th floor.

* Get your reporters to lie down, ducking killer bullets, even as the cameraperson is standing next to him, recording histrionics. :rotfl:

* Ask anxious relatives if they think their friends and family members, who are still inside, will be able to walk out alive.

To finally clinch the TRP race, many top television editors were paradropped and the story was turned around. It became all about them and their trauma. Barkha Dutt took viewers on a tour of the Taj Mahal Hotel, choked up and emotional, gesturing violently, shrugging, crouching, hand on her aching heart. Rajdeep Sardesai rescued a foreigner from other reporters, to ask, “How are you feeling?” Arnab Goswami, of course, was kept in the studio. No one shouts “breaking news” louder than him.

When it was all over, after the commandos had gone home and the funerals had run their course, some passers-by were collected, handed candles, and in the glow of burning wax, victims were hugged, preferably Muslims, and asked again, for a final boost to TRPs: “How do you feel?”



Pretty good account of how the Mumbai TV war was won. Despicable as Daffy Duck would say.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Amber G. » 03 Dec 2008 03:54

Meanwhile we have worthies like Pankaj Mishra writing oped in NY times...Fresh Blood From an Old Wound
Has this guy has no decency?
.<Garbage/Nonsense etc..> ..Indeed, the outrage in Mumbai is the latest and clearest sign that the price of India’s uncompromising stance on Kashmir has become too high, imperiling its economy as well as its security. Indian anger over the fumbling re...

“The people of India deeply love you,” Prime Minister Singh said to President Bush in September while thanking him for the nuclear deal. Yet it is President-elect Obama who has the opportunity to create deeper and more enduring alliances for the United States in South Asia — and he should start with Kashmir.



Everything from Babri / "Genocide"/ 80,000,000,000,000 death in Kasmir/ extraordinarily generous nuclear deal to draconian POTA is there..except the real culprits. :evil:

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Amber G. » 03 Dec 2008 04:03

Zardari is on Larry King Live CNN (9PM) Preview

Also, Did not know that
according to officials’ sources, (:) Pakistan is self-sufficient in defence and it is impossible for any state of the world to harm the country.

They said Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force are well equipped to protect the homeland.

From: China assures full support to Pakistan

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby shynee » 03 Dec 2008 04:03

26/11 fallout: Pak TV actors feel the heat

MUMBAI: The strain in Indo-Pakistan ties over the terror attacks in the city has begun taking a toll on actors from across the border working in Bollywood. Pakistani actors are running scared after Indian authorities blamed their country for the terror attack in Mumbai.

Zaheer Abhas, a participant of `Sa Re Ga Ma,' allegedly left for Lahore on the night of the attack in the city. The singer told TOI from Lahore, "I was supposed to come to Lahore to shoot for a special episode with my family. But I am not getting a ticket to return to India.'' He said, "Kuch nahi kiya toh darna kya. (If I have not done anything, why should I be afraid) I will come back to India if I get a ticket.''

But Pakistani sources said economy class tickets to Mumbai are available for the next two days. "`There are chances that the producers of the shows involving Pakistanis are taking precautionary measures and want to keep the actors away from Mumbai,'' said a source.

Pakistani actors currently shooting for television and films in India are running scared. On Sunday, about 500 members of the Bharatiya Vidyarthi Sena(BVS) barged on to the sets of Raju Srivastav's show at Chetan Studio in Andheri and warned him against hiring Pakistani artistes. On hearing this, Pakistani actors Kashif and Shakeel Siddiqui were immediately moved from the shooting and shifted to a safe place. Said Kashif, "After the producers of our show heard that some people had threatened Raju Srivastav, we have been moved to a safer place. Our family wants us to come back home.'' According to him, they wanted to return on Monday but unfortunately, did not get the tickets. "Guess we will finish the shooting that is left of our show.''
However, sources close to the actor's family said that Shakeel Siddiqui and Kashif are returning to Pakistan on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the BVS has also issued a diktat to channels on the same issue. Abhijeet Mane of the party said, "We went on Raju Srivastav's set and requested him not to work with Pakistani actors. We have told the channels to do the same.'' When told that Sena leader Uddhav Thackeray is an ardent fan of Ghulam Ali, Mane said, "So am I, but it is time for all of us to sacrifice.''

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby svinayak » 03 Dec 2008 04:20

Rony wrote:Christine Fair of Rand on Mumbai Attacks on C-Span. Overall a balanced analysis from a american point of view

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?M ... HP-A-13054


Get yesterday C-Span - on Mumbai bombing - Kenneth Pollack made few remarks
This is the first expert discussion in C-Span

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Just check out the caller talking about ATS chief and terrorism from Hindus.
The propaganda has really reached far
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