Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2008 09:31

Acharya wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122782332649762273.html

Still, it is clear that Pakistan fears being surrounded by a three-way alliance of the U.S., India and Afghanistan, and the U.S.-India nuclear deal fed such fears. "We don't see the U.S. as a neutral broker anymore," said a senior Pakistani official. "We don't think this is how we should be repaid for our support in fighting al Qaeda."

Kind of confirms the idea that the Mumbai Terrorist attack is a fallout of the spat between US and TSP. The TSP jihadis have challenged the US by attacing India the new strategic partner and the US is doing nothing about it. And that will only embolden them. Zardari is a puppet on chain which can be yanked any time based on US good behavior. The so called jihadi coup has happend and US is not even aware of it as they (jihadis) have the "democratically" elected Zardari as the figurehead. its not jsut West of indus but the whole shebang they are playing for. If TSp isnt broken up then the whole state will become jihadised. And US will be scratching its head to figure out who lost TSP!

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 04 Dec 2008 10:18

ramana,

I think unkil's power isnt unlimited, there is a limit to what US can do & cant. they may give GOI a go ahead, but its is after all India's responsibility to protect its citizen. None else can do that job.

If people like us know zardari is a puppet, it makes one wonder why unkil wouldnt know. They are the one who put him in power in first place, since they couldnt trust talku(nawaz) to begin with. The whole game is to go after TSPA from top down,instead of bottom up.

I keep saying, let pakis control la(w)hore as a city state & rest be divited between India, Afghan, & rest be small indepedent state.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 04 Dec 2008 10:26

I dont know how true is this, but I found this a interesting piece to read...
Mullahs apologies if posted earlier, please remove if so.

Outside View: Pakistan's Mumbai alibi

Manipal, India (UPI) Dec 1, 2008
Since the terror attacks on Mumbai five days ago, Indian security sources have promoted evidence that the attackers were trained by elements of the Pakistani military.
While the field training took place at a camp run by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency near Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, fluency in the handling of ordnance was taught at another ISI safe house on the outskirts of Karachi.

Pakistan has done little to create deniability about these connections or earlier links discovered by U.S. intelligence agencies between the ISI and the July 7 bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan.

Many analysts see the top priority of Pakistani intelligence as reversing India's path toward social stability and economic growth. Still, why were so many telltale clues left behind in these attacks that enraged the Indian public and made the world aware that India is among the softest terrorist targets of the major democracies?

The hope of those who planned last week's attack was that India would respond to the attacks the way it did to the attack on its Parliament in 2001 -- by mobilizing troops on the Pakistan border and creating an expectation that a full-scale, conventional India-Pakistan war was imminent. At that time Prime Minister A.B. Vajpayee's unwise decision to "bluff" the Pakistanis into cooperating with India by the threat of war boomeranged on New Delhi. Foreign missions evacuated their nationals in a panic and business confidence plunged.

Even at that time, it was known to policymakers in most major capitals that India was bluffing, and that the genial Vajpayee would never actually go to war. Yet they participated in the hysteria, especially the United States, where there is a thriving industry of so-called conflict-resolution specialists whose declared mission is to stop India and Pakistan from going to war with each other.

Both countries are aware that a war would be suicidal for Pakistan and severely damaging for India. So the specialists will be able to toast their imagined success in keeping the peace, thereby securing more funding from their less-informed patrons.

Those within the military establishment in Pakistan who enabled the Mumbai operation are now waiting for the government of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to go the way of Vajpayee and send additional Indian troops to the border. In anticipation of such a move, they already have frozen selected deployments of reinforcements to the Federally Administered Tribal Areas -- the frontier region of Pakistan that has become the new home of al-Qaida -- and issued provisional orders for sending additional forces and equipment to the border with India.

The reason is simple: Having no desire to eliminate al-Qaida, these military commanders are seeking to use the "threat from India" as an excuse for inaction on the western frontier. They will seek to explain their patent unwillingness to engage the terrorists by pointing to the need to bolster defenses against an Indian attack.

Unfortunately for them, this time around there is zero chance of India repeating the mistake of 2001, which was to mobilize when it was clear that war was never going to be an option. Also, intelligence agencies worldwide have better reach into the Pakistan military than previously.

In reality, the next war involving Indian and Pakistani troops is likely to be both sides acting together to take out the jihadis. But this will have to await a cleansing of the pro-jihadi elements from the officer corps of the Pakistani army, a necessary process that the present army chief is resisting.

Those Western commentators and analysts cultivated by the Pakistani army have begun churning out analyses speaking of "heightened tensions" between India and Pakistan. Foolishly, U.S. President George W. Bush has fanned the flames of such inspired speculation by inserting Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice into the region, rather than adopting an attitude of "business as usual." Rice, in desperate need of some -- any -- perceived diplomatic success, can be expected to follow the playbook of the South Asia crisis management specialists by hinting at substantive tensions that do not in fact exist, at least on the Indian side.

Aware that both Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani are blameless with regard to the Mumbai attacks, the Indian government of Manmohan Singh has been careful not to place any blame on the civilian leadership in Pakistan.

The Mumbai attack was a Pakistani military operation, in which even the navy was involved, as reported by India Today. The civilian government had no role in it, nor was it informed of the planning and execution of the attack.

By continuing to regard the present Pakistani military as part of the solution to the problem of global terrorism rather than as a principal target, the United States and its NATO allies are creating the conditions that will allow jihadis to breed in the region in sufficient numbers to be able to launch attacks against targets in the United States and Europe.

The civilian administration in Pakistan, led by Zardari, needs assistance to secure control over the military. Next the jihadi elements must be purged from the Pakistan officer corps if the country is to be rescued from the jihadist nightmare into which it has fallen, undoubtedly due to major policy errors of the Western powers since the 1980s.

Recent statements by U.S. President-elect Barack Obama reveal a dangerous incomprehension about ground realities in the region. No solution is possible over Kashmir or other pending India-Pakistan issues until the Pakistani military comes under civilian control and is cleansed of the jihadi elements that control much of its officer corps.

Those who planned the Mumbai attacks to create an alibi for their refusal to take out al-Qaida in the tribal regions will be disappointed. This time India will not fall into the trap laid by the Pakistani military by sending additional troops to the border and creating war hysteria that would divert attention away from the ongoing campaign against al-Qaida.

(Professor M.D. Nalapat is vice chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO peace chair and professor of geopolitics at Manipal University.)

(United Press International's "Outside View" commentaries are written by outside contributors who specialize in a variety of important issues. The views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of United Press International. In the interests of creating an open forum, original submissions are invited.)

-- (Copyright 2008 M.D. Nalapat)

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Outside ... i_999.html

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 04 Dec 2008 10:32

Vivek_A wrote:
Gerard wrote:India to answer Mumbai attacks with talk not troops
So the plan is to bore them to death?
This is f'ed up at some many levels.

The author is Reuters India chief.. don't get worked up on this.. have faith

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 04 Dec 2008 10:54

Sharad Yadav asked point blank by TimesNow correspondent if he is willing to give up his security if the security force is required for national duties.
The joker just went numb, took him about 25 secs to formulate a non-answer..

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 04 Dec 2008 11:24

Raja Bose wrote:
Jagan wrote: I really dont see him living beyond his thirties.
You are too kindhearted....you are actually giving him 6 years of additional life which he probably doesnt have.

Perhaps he should be made to live the next 6 years by making him measure the length of drains in bombay using a 25 paisa coin. and of course he should only be allowed to wriggle on the ground & not walk.
Perhaps he could also be used as a filling for the pothholes on the road.

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 04 Dec 2008 11:36

If purely Conventional war Breaks out Today. what are the strengths and weaknesses of the each side,and can TSP create a considerable damage on us.the scenario is that we WILL cross LOC no more munnabhai mahatma gandhi type this time,staying in ur own limits etc.we should cross LOC and hit them hard.

[Edited to correct the AC name,Thanks Rahul]

Viraat is under refit,will it effect?,and they do have agosta's and we dont have our new subs yet, only the upgraded kilos and sindhugosh etc.

can any gurus can shed some light? Thanks in Advance

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Dec 2008 11:38

vikrant has been de-commisioned long back and is a floating museum now.
I doubt it can have any effect on a war if you discount the entry fees.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 04 Dec 2008 11:42

Viraat is under refit not Vikrant which is now being renamed INS Rustoleum

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Dec 2008 11:44

Slightly OT. But do any of the Rakshaks remember the article from October stating that Paki gubmint has approved a bullet proof car for Hafiz saeed ? I wonder why suddenly he felt the need for a bulletproof car.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2008 11:46

lakshmic wrote:Slightly OT. But do any of the Rakshaks remember the article from October stating that Paki gubmint has approved a bullet proof car for Hafiz saeed ? I wonder why suddenly he felt the need for a bulletproof car.

Not OT. Its in the Paki thread. Maybe they thought kaccha folks will bobbitise him and fry it tandoor.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2008 11:47

maybe because LeT is hooked with PA & ISI unlike the paktalibs
who rule the western emirate. hence the paktalibs could target the LeT just as they are going after PA and some sections of ISI.

some part of ISI(and PA) is supporting the paktalibs ofcourse.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Dec 2008 11:49

Singha wrote:maybe because LeT is hooked with PA & ISI unlike the paktalibs
who rule the western emirate. hence the paktalibs could target the LeT just as they are going after PA and some sections of ISI.

some part of ISI(and PA) is supporting the paktalibs ofcourse.

Or maybe he was planning to turn up the heat on India and thought our boys might attempt a driveby ?

amar_ · Post by **amar_** » 04 Dec 2008 11:51

I still dont understand why we aren't sending any "stateless" nukes or stateless missiles to whake some paki ass. The least we could do is to strangle them economically. Can't understand why the BCCI jackasses have to discuss cricket with pakis at this time.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 04 Dec 2008 12:09

amar_ wrote: I still dont understand why we aren't sending any "stateless" nukes or stateless missiles to whake some paki ass. The least we could do is to strangle them economically. Can't understand why the BCCI jackasses have to discuss cricket with pakis at this time.

Why? Let the elections near. Wars are a great way to win support. Learn from Bushy!

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 04 Dec 2008 12:10

If purely Conventional war Breaks out Today.

What makes you feel so?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Dec 2008 12:12

amar_ wrote:Can't understand why the BCCI jackasses have to discuss cricket with pakis at this time.

Money Money Money .......
I am not sure if BCCI is even sensitive about the situation in India or how public feels about it , I say cancel all this kricket for some month and keep our focus on our fight

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 04 Dec 2008 12:16

But honestly, i'd like to be a little more patient, perhaps wait for the US pressure on Pak to work, wait for Pakis to do something 'favourable' for us, obviously it won't be enough and we'll tell the world so, paint a picture of Pakistan as incurable and then we resort to proxy war, on a much wider scale than they are doing in Kashmir. SHould take around 3 months for that to happen.

Just my personal opinion.

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 04 Dec 2008 12:18

Is this Democracy?

The world's largest democracy is controlled by one freaking gandhi family?
those congress wimps can not rule without running to the gandhi family?
the chor gandhi family has looted whatever remained in india after the british stopped looting

Just like indira gandhi, sonia has installed weak puppets in the government, only qualification for ministers was
a) age should be above 70
b) must be proficient at licking gandhi family chappals

These gandhi's. They don't care about india! They don't care to solve india's problems! They are like vultures eating the remains of the dead indian citizens.

in order to cling to power they had murderers like shibu soren even in the ministry. shame on chhakka netas and shame on vampire gandhi family for sucking the blood of poor indians so their dynasty continues.

citizens must rise and kick out the old ministers who can't even wash their faces,

why are media even interviewing dorks like priyanka and rahul, who are they? they are rich spoiled people who can't even speak the indian language properly. yet they think they have the automatic right to be the next leader of the country?

shame on such democracy

niran · Post by **niran** » 04 Dec 2008 12:37

India bachao
Congress bhagao

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 04 Dec 2008 12:43

Found this on Rediff reader forum..

IT IS DESPICABLE TO MENTION THE HORRIFIC ACTS DONE BY PAK TERRORISTS:

1. Gouging the eyes
2. Cutting fingers
3. Pulling the nails of children
4. Rape of women and then shooting their privates
5. Tying all the hostages
6. Orals and p$$$$g on the hostages, especially women, including kids
7. Peeling the skin of hostages, especially n!!!!!s of women
8. Indiscriminate firing at odd places
9. Pulling the hair of hostages
10. Burning of hostages through grenades.
11. Booby trapping live female hostages with grenades in their privates

This is not fiction. These are first hand reports from doctors who attended those hostages to confirm death. Most hostages had body parts missing like the ones mentioned above. The doctors have never seen anything more horrific like this before.

Conveniently, this is being hidden in the congi/commie media to coverup jihadi atrocities to fool indian(especially hindus) from uniting and voting against them.

This is very likely considering the background of the hostages. The bigger conspiracy is the coverup. I repeat this govt is not just incapable, they are traitors.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 04 Dec 2008 12:45

a little preparation and then ka boom...

let us pay the price of action, now that we have paid the price of inaction.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 04 Dec 2008 12:47

uddu wrote:We are going to war. The signs are clear. Next step will be ceasing steps taken during the peace process. Either Pakis must hand over the 20 keedas or must face the consequences. And we have got a partner as well. The one that has to be satisfied with drone attacks was waiting for an opportunity. Now when their own men get killed, they will surely act from the west. The U.S will never get such a golden opportunity to finish terrorism and they will not waste it. Doomsday for the Pakis.

Seems like there was some serious shit that went down between Ms. Rice and Mr. Mukharjee today. At least that is what it looked like in the joint press conference. They couldn't have made it more clear to Pakistan without resorting to shouting themselves hoarse. If there is such a thing as "war path" then clearly we have taken the first few steps. One thing is for sure: Pakistan is insane or at least a major part of their five power centers (Mullahs, Jehadis, ISI, Government, and Army) are insane.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 04 Dec 2008 12:47

SandeepA wrote:Found this on Rediff reader forum..
IT IS DESPICABLE TO MENTION THE HORRIFIC ACTS DONE BY PAK TERRORISTS:

Looks like the reader in Rediff is rumour mongering. We can agree with stuff like indiscriminate firing etc. But how can we confirm that stuff like rapes, and planting of live grenades into women's privates etc? All these require free time, and do not think the terrorists did get any free time during the whole process.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 04 Dec 2008 12:52

Sachin wrote:
SandeepA wrote:Found this on Rediff reader forum..
Looks like the reader in Rediff is rumour mongering. We can agree with stuff like indiscriminate firing etc. But how can we confirm that stuff like rapes, and planting of live grenades into women's privates etc? All these require free time, and do not think the terrorists did get any free time during the whole process.

Sachin thanks for removing that after reading that stuff, I didn't really know how the hell to react...

Guys I am sorry to bring politics into this but even after all the rallies and public opinions and what not, is the Kangressi govt really going to change?

I just find it hard to believe that these bloody netas are going to change unless something very very drastic is done by the Indian public itself.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 04 Dec 2008 12:56

Is that Sachin kesavan, it has been a long time since I saw you on the forum. Good to see you in action.

I spoke to a few netas and retired personnel, all I could gather was that there is a quiet determination and things are being put in place. thoda sabar rako was what one of them told me. No one divulged any details at all. Just gave an assurance that there will be retribution. No one wants to talk now. I did not ask anything else nor do I intend to.

Please admin log, I recognise, that this does not qualify as evidence, meet your standards yada, yada, but this is just an assurance I got from responsible people. I am sharing it here for what it is worth. Take it as it is.

BTW - my madrasi hindi is not that good what exactly does "sabar" mean?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Dec 2008 12:58

~ have some patience.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 04 Dec 2008 12:58

"Sabar" means patience my friend, unfortunately its something that a lot of us find it hard to keep at this moment.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 04 Dec 2008 13:00

thanks - guessed as much

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 04 Dec 2008 13:04

I am sure this might have been posted here before but check out the comment section.
Look what is the IQ of average public. I think at least 30% user has fallen into TOI propaganda.
Going by TOI propaganda what should a Hindu does if he reads 700 years of history of Muslims Barbarians?

Terrorists were shown footage of Modi, Togadia

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 04 Dec 2008 13:26

US can prosecute Mumbai attackers: official

Washington: US Attorney General Michael Mukasey said on Thursday the United States would have jurisdiction to prosecute the surviving gunman captured during the deadly attack in Mumbai where six Americans died. But he did not say whether there are plans to do so....

Have we become so weak now?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2008 13:35

rather than feed him biryani and gulabi sharbat for a lifetime while the Govt delays hanging him in order "not to hurt muslim sentiments" its better we hand him over - they will likely give him consecutive life term for each murder and put him away well into old age if not fry him in the electric chair.

parshuram · Post by **parshuram** » 04 Dec 2008 13:43

Acc . To Pranab Mukerjee last nite : he said india will detremine it's resposne once pakistan responds for the terrorist list that india have demanded .

Few questions ;

1.) would that be enough ? i mean does these 20 define terror in india? i guess when we know that these 20 are the soilders on which ISI put it guns and fire . even for a sec that scumbing to intenational pressure pak do give these 20 terrorists. Then what is the gurantee that terrorsts have been abolshed ? i guess don't you think first and only demand shouls be to demolist that complete infra structure at once .
2.) well what response can india infer . with current political setup no way india will trigger a full scale war . even surgical strikes as this will lead to full scale escalation. {you need to strike lahore, karachi almost every where ... (damn this country is a mess ) }.

i mean with these questions in mind i really don't think that current boil is anyway meaningful .. it is just matter of month or two before every so called terror busting myth is lost with memories of brave NSG commando's and policeman lives .

such a shame ..i feel so helpless

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2008 13:45

there is evidence the jewish house victims were brutally tortured. would not be surprised if this is what the rediff person is referring to. what was found must be known in the doctors community - doctors are always in touch with each other and have a deep fear/respect for senior docs in a sort of "militia" like hierarchy.

http://patdollard.com/2008/11/mumbai-do ... old-blood/

Doctors shocked at hostages’s torture

by Krishnakumar P and Vicky Nanjappa - (Rediff India)

They said that just one look at the bodies of the dead hostages as well as terrorists showed it was a battle of attrition that was fought over three days at the Oberoi and the Taj hotels in Mumbai.

Doctors working in a hospital where all the bodies, including that of the terrorists, were taken said they had not seen anything like this in their lives.

“Bombay has a long history of terror. I have seen bodies of riot victims, gang war and previous terror attacks like bomb blasts. But this was entirely different. It was shocking and disturbing,” a doctor said.

Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: “It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim’s body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words,” he said.

Asked specifically if he was talking of torture marks, he said: “It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood,” one doctor said.

The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: “Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again,” he said.

Corroborating the doctors’ claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. “During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis,” an IB source said.

It is also said that the Israeli hostages were killed on the first day as keeping them hostage for too long would have focused too much international attention. “They also might have feared the chances of Israeli security agencies taking over the operations at the Nariman House,” he reasoned.

On the other hand, there is enough to suggest that the terrorists also did not meet a clean, death.

The doctors who conducted the post mortem said the bodies of the terrorists were beyond recognition. “Their faces were beyond recognition.”

There was no way of identifying them,” he said. Asked how, if this is the case, they knew the bodies were indeed those of the terrorists, he said: “The security forces that brought the bodies told us that those were the bodies of the terrorists,” he said, adding there was no other way they could have identified the bodies.

An intelligence agency source added: “One of the terrorists was shot through either eye.”

A senior National Security Guard officer, who had earlier explained the operation in detail to rediff.com, said the commandos went all out after they ascertained that there were no more hostages left. When asked if the commandos attempted to capture them alive at that stage, he replied: “Unko bachana kaun chahega (Who will want to save them)?”

Amen …

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 04 Dec 2008 13:45

kobe wrote:Is this Democracy?

The world's largest democracy is controlled by one freaking gandhi family?
those congress wimps can not rule without running to the gandhi family?
the chor gandhi family has looted whatever remained in india after the british stopped looting

Just like indira gandhi, sonia has installed weak puppets in the government, only qualification for ministers was
a) age should be above 70
b) must be proficient at licking gandhi family chappals

These gandhi's. They don't care about india! They don't care to solve india's problems! They are like vultures eating the remains of the dead indian citizens.

in order to cling to power they had murderers like shibu soren even in the ministry. shame on chhakka netas and shame on vampire gandhi family for sucking the blood of poor indians so their dynasty continues.

citizens must rise and kick out the old ministers who can't even wash their faces,

why are media even interviewing dorks like priyanka and rahul, who are they? they are rich spoiled people who can't even speak the indian language properly. yet they think they have the automatic right to be the next leader of the country?

shame on such democracy

It IS democracy! Nobody in this world, least of all those Gandhi scions will force you to vote for them. They are so and there only because we Indians voted for them. Period. Stop ranting and behaving as though some non-Indian entity has forced them on you. When you're there at the ballot box, its just you, your mind and your mighty finger. So do the needful next year.

And just for the sake of arguement, what if such an attack had happened when the opposition was in power? Would you still rant the same way?

All i know is, no matter who's in power right now, they have the mandate with them to do the needful, may be kick the Paki ass when they're down on the mat or let them free again by just releasing a seris strong statements, just like they've done so far.

But hey, thats democracy!

We must do our duty of backing the Govt. and suggesting something constructive instead of doing a Nana Patekar on online fora.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2008 13:47

you can imagine what it takes to traumatize a post-mortem doc, who does dead bodies every day. it takes a lot to shake them up.

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 04 Dec 2008 13:51

RayC wrote:
If purely Conventional war Breaks out Today.
What makes you feel so?

Because porki Nuke arsenal are under unkils command,if not directly unkil knows much about those,he wont allow it to happen,and pakistan Knows that.and they may not be able to survive financially in event of a nuke strike on karachi or islamabad,they are already bankrupt.it may be possible pakistan will disintegrate in the chaos aftermath of a nuke attack.and believe me india's second strike will be very massive.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 04 Dec 2008 13:53

Singha wrote:you can imagine what it takes to traumatize a post-mortem doc, who does dead bodies every day. it takes a lot to shake them up.

There was once an Israeli called on CNN after yet another attack on Jerusalem. His profession: To collect splintered body parts after every bomb attack.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Dec 2008 13:56

10 terrorists?

Lets see..

2 in CST (Ismail and caught pig)

2 in Nariman House

2 in Hospitals/ Leopold Cafe ?

That leaves 4 terrorists for Trident, Oberoi and Taj?

Is that possible?

I have serious doubts and issues with there being 10 terrorists.

Are there more that are underground, that the GOI is now refusing to tell for the sake of not scaring people further? How can first timers in a city hijack vehicles and drive around destinations as if so familiar with everything?

Looks like this Govt has deluded itself on "Terror has no religion" and gone on overdrive to prove that axiom right. Doing so it has neglected humint on the religion of peace. When disaster has struck, the top order are plain dumbstruck.

The " Pakis are like us" crowd is in shock. Even more so when they now here Zaid Hamids views as mainstream. Dumbstruck once again the psecs.

Folks don't get deluded by that Suhel Seth antics on Times now. The guy is one of the BIGGEST HFLs / Pseudo secs you can imagine. He was a good debater in college. But he is full of crap. He talks inanity. Even his speech on Times now if you see deeply only exposed his anger at our institutions. Not at what led to our institutions being compromised.

Indeed RAW and IB did not fail. They pointed out there was an attack due from the sea. But the Maharashtra CM/ Dy CM trashed the info. I doubt it even reached the Mumbai Police Chief Mr. Gafoor. Till 29th Dy CM was still trying to point to Hindu terrorists.

This is a very stupid Govt. Pretty much shorn of any ideas and strategies. You cannot fight an enemy like Porkistan if you don't understand the evil that drives them. It is impossible. Even the US did'nt get it so many decades. Porkistan continued to milk them. They have a winning formula. Only now possibly the end may be nigh. There is a churning.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 04 Dec 2008 13:58

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 791511.cms

High alert across airports, air chief Major confirms aerial attack threat
4 Dec 2008, 1327 hrs IST, AGENCIES

NEW DELHI: After receiving inputs from intelligence agencies about possible aerial strikes by terrorists, airports in Delhi, Bangalore and
Chennai have been put on high alert as reports suggest that terrorists could have sneaked into India to carry out strikes on the anniversary of the demolition of the Babri Masjid on December 6.

There were warnings of possible attacks using hijacked airlines, officials said.

The Bureau of Civil Aviation Security, which is in overall charge of airport safety, said additional paramilitary troops had been deployed to guard six of the country's busiest international airports.

Indian Air Force sources said fighter jets had also been put on stand-by.

"We are now on a high state of alert," Arun Arora, spokesman of New Delhi's Indira Gandhi International Airport told AFP.

Earlier on Thursday, Air chief Fali Homi Major said the government has received inputs about terrorists' plans to carry out a 9/11-type aerial attack on targets in India.

"This (report about terrorists carrying out possible aerial attacks) is based on a warning, which has been received (by the government) and we are prepared as usual," Major told reporters after laying a wreath at Amar Jawan Jyoti at India Gate on the occasion of Navy Day.

He said the issue was discussed during the meeting of three service chiefs with defence minister A K Antony yesterday at South Block.

"The issue was discussed in yesterday's meeting," he said.

Defence minister A K Antony had also yesterday warned the armed forces about the possibility of terror attacks from airborne platforms similar to the 9/11 attacks in the US.

In the meeting, Antony called for greater coordination among security and intelligence agencies so as to make the intelligence inputs actionable.

Antony wanted tightening of vigil along India's coastal, land and aerial frontiers to prevent terror attacks in future.