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milindc wrote:Shiv,

As you rightly said, the joint-investigation is as ridiculous as asking the rapist to join the 'medical examination' of victim.
MilindC - that is why I am beginng to suspect that what neelkamal wrote earlier fits in wvery well with the coruption in goverment theory.

Various MPs and MLAs have goondas and criminals on speed dial who are used for the odd murder or extortion. These criminals are assets and in any case they cannot be gotten rid of because of a tricky balance between police, mafia and ploitician.

The Police protects the politician. The politician tells the police to go easy on mafia. The mafia reach an agreement with police not to touch the police or politician. If any one of these breaks their promise - its open war. The politcian is the guy who is not directly in the line of fire - but he can get killed if this happens - so he continues to protect criminals.

So when Indian people ask politicians for explanations they blame Pakistan initially. When Pakistan says bugger off the politcians come back to Indians and say "We have given a list and Pakistan is going to join us in fighting terror"

The truth is Indian people are being taken for a ride by Pakistan as well as by it own government. That is why you have people saying "Oh these things happen in big cities" and the politicians need NSG guards - mostly from their mafia enemies.

I believe our country is in a serious situation - not so much because of Pakistan, but because of negligent, greedy and criminal politicians. But soon the Pakistan problem may overtake everything else and we may end up losing more and more - unless we can kick our polity in the backside now and keep kicking them till their qibla changes.
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Well the government or politicians/IAS/IPS/Police they understand everything ... if they were that dumb they would not be in that place. Lets not confuse between interlligence and knowledge. They might not have the "inclination" to understand thats different. These politicians come from constituancies where the "aam janta" is grappling with their own problems..so the neta just knows how to play with it so that he can again come into power....


e.g. RR Patil was dismissed as deputy CM but how many people in his constituancy will understand that ? his cronies will spread the news that he made a sacrifice ....so he wins again..

Elelction in india is Rs 1000/- and cheap bottle of whiskey ....

I incidently happen to ask a guy about Mumbai carnage ... his response was Ohh...bad ... city people ( read it as rich people ) must have lost money .... .when i stressed on the fact that people died .. its serious ... he said in floods also people die .. its karma...

Some people even said .. they ( city people ) dont bother when a calamity hits them then why should they bother when something bad happens to them....
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God forbid if (afzal guru ) he stands in election from some place in UP he might even win it from SP's or BSP's ticket....
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as i said a few iterations ago on this thread, how many 'petis of kesh' have been circulated recently to encourage senior politicians to either look the other way or make others look the other way

i am deadly serious, we may have been literally sold out here
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vdas wrote:
Some people even said .. they ( city people ) dont bother when a calamity hits them then why should they bother when something bad happens to them....

vdas - I have a slightly different take on this reaction. I admit they may be bitter about city/rich people - but some people have such a bullshit existence that they tend to be cynical about anything. Existence means not being attacked or concerned too much about anything. If your local market where you have to go every day gets blasted - they just have to thank their lucky stars and keep going back.

That is why the terrorists have done a "good thing" by notching things up to hit people who have the money and time to care. Ultimately for all their Gandhi topis and dhotis - all our politicians are well withing the city/rich class. Just look at their children and you will know.
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for our netas and babus its money making time ... new deals in the name of reforms , new equipments. incidently Antony baba signed a deal for 80 Mi-17 helos from Russia ....... crores of tax payers money going into their swiss accounts ....


if pakistan has one Mr 10% we surely have better ...many Mr 50 %.....

who cares for this country ?
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why, i even saw burkha dutt on one of her interviews talking about 'now it affects our class' with an up market commentator with no relevance to the topic

hopefully this time since 'us rich folks' are affected we might finally do something
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Shiv ,
I come from a family where there are many Kangress netas ... i know how they manipulate things in interior
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I think India would have attacked pakistan by now if the attack was not on Taj or other places but in the party in which rahul gandhi was dancing or in the tabela where lalu was milking his cow.
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there is even a bais in the way we report in media .... how many times NDTV cover the havaldar who got killed in CST holding the barrel of AK-47 thus giving people the chance to grab "kasav"
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anirbanbanerjee wrote:I think India would have attacked pakistan by now if the attack was not on Taj or other places but in the party in which rahul gandhi was dancing or in the tabela where lalu was milking his cow.
No

Quite the opposite. The killing of Rajiv Gandhi and the parliament attack only led to MORE SECURITY fr netas while the country keeps getting hit.

I just wonder if there has t be a mass movement where corrupt netas with black cat commandos are resisted passively and prevented from inconveniencing everyone else and stopped from going about.

Such actions will be accused of being "anti national" nd preventing a public servant from going about his duties.

But our public servants do not seem to give a damn about th other citizens of this country.

Oh BTW Afzal Guru will be hanged when election campaigning starts - r at a suitable time just before th general elections.
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Kasab is going to get a shot of dope,something he seems to have been quite used to.It is excellent that he has been seen by the US and Israeli intel agencies as the proof of {Pak's guilt and complicity is absolutely essential for India to trumpet to every corner of the globe.Who is our min for Information?He has an almight role to play now,winning the propaganda war before the baloon goes up.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... =12&page=2

Mumbai gunman says he was paid $1,900 for attack - as new CCTV emerges
( Investigating Team Video/Reuters)
CCTV of gunmen walking across a car park after a shooting spree at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus train station in Mumbai
Rhys Blakely in Mumbai
India airports on terror alert |

The sole Mumbai gunman to be taken alive has said he was paid 150,000 Pakistani rupees – about £1,300 or $1,900 – for his part in the attacks that killed nearly 200 people, according to police.

"He has said the payment was 1.5 lakhs (150,000) of Pakistani rupees," Rakesh Maria, the joint commissioner of Mumbai police, who is one of the interrogators questioning Azam Amir Kasab, told The Times.

Police are also investigating a possible link to the United States – a mobile SIM card found with the terrorists which possibly came from New Jersey. "Nothing is confirmed, but we are looking at this and have made enquiries with mobile operators," Mr Maria said.

Police to use 'truth serum' on gunman

Kasab was one of two gunmen who killed 56 people at Bombay's main train station, Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, on Wednesday. Pictures of the casually dressed, boyish gunman brandishing an AK47 have become a definitive image of the worst terror attack in India in 15 years. Nine other terrorists were killed.

A dispute over the origin of Kasab is placing a strain on India's rapidly deteriorating relationship with Pakistan.

Mumbai police say the "baby-faced gunman" is a poor 24-year-old primary school drop out from a village called Faridkot in Pakistan's south Punjab region. They say he has confessed to being recruited by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a notoriously brutal Pakistan-based terrorist faction created to fight Indian rule in Kashmir, to carry out the Mumbai strikes.

That – or a similar account of events – is thought to be cautiously being given credence by Western intelligence officials.

Mumbai police say that Kasab was trained in camps in Pakistan for up to 18 months by ex-army officers. American intelligence officials suspect that for former officers from Pakistan's powerful spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) gave training, according to today's New York Times.

In response, however, Pakistan's government has denied any knowledge of Kasab and has said it can not find any trace of him in three villages named Faridkot in south Punjab.

Today, Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, arrived in Islamabad, Pakistan's capital, from Delhi, to diffuse tensions between the two nuclear-powered neighbours. Yesterday she said: "We believe Pakistan has a central role to play in this [the investigation], to make certain that these terrorists cannot continue to operate and operate in this fashion,"

Police interrogators have told The Times that they are poised to settle the matter of Kasab's background through the use of "narcoanalysis" – a controversial technique, banned in most democracies, where the subject is injected with a "truth serum".

The method was widely used by western intelligence agencies during the Cold War before it emerged that the drugs used – typically sodium pentothal – may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic behaviour.

Deven Bharti, a deputy police commissioner in Mumbai and one of the interrogators, said that there was "no doubt" that Kasab will be subjected to "narcoanalysis".

The drug – probably sodium pentothal – will be administered through a drip and will lull Kasab into a trance-like state. Usually, a forensic psychologist then questions the prisoner.

Such methods are banned in the UK and the US, though some security officials suggest they should be adopted in terrorist cases in the West -- and some experts believe they already are.

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Meanwhile, Indian officials remain under pressure to account for the lax handling of last weeks crisis.

The deployment of India's elite troops to the two luxury hotels that were stormed by terrorist gunmen may have been delayed for hours by red tape that calls for a written request to be made to the Indian Navy before they are dispatched, it emerged today.

An Indian defence spokesman based in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay) told The Times that standing orders demand that a letter be sent to the Indian Navy before its Marine Commandos – or "Marcos" -- troops are ordered from their barracks.

He said that the paperwork was eventually sidestepped last Wednesday, but not until it became apparent to millions of television viewers across the world that India's commercial capital was under a massive, co-ordinated terror attack.

Despite the Marcos – regarded as the "best of the best" of India's military – being based in Mumbai they did not reach the Taj Mahal Palace and Oberoi hotels until 1.30am – about four hours after the terrorist gunmen had stormed the buildings.

By that stage the militants had consolidated their positions and trapped hundreds of staff and guests.

The defence spokesman said that the troops were eventually dispatched after the chief secretary of Mumbai made a request by telephone to the chief of staff of Western Naval Command in Mumbai.

"We do not deploy troops unless we are told to," he said.

It was also reported that a private firm has withdrawn its explosives sniffer dogs from Bombay's railway system after failing to be paid.
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Pranab Mukherji some had said that he has given pakistan seven days to act ... is it true ? if yes what happened to that
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vdas wrote:Pranab Mukherji some had said that he has given pakistan seven days to act ... is it true ? if yes what happened to that
Do you know how long one day of Brahma lasts?
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mea culpa ... for asking this question
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Even as our MARCOS and possibly the NSG go in blind having no prior knowledge of the buiding layout, tabloid claims the terrorists used RTI to get the plans

Terrorists may have used RTI

Though I get a feeling that this claim is being made by the beuracracy just to make RTI that much more difficult to file. No followup news about this. Babus joining the politicians in playing petty politics to protect interests.

But it does point out to the lack of co-ordination between agencies involved. If the layout were that easy to procure, it should have been made avaiable to the MARCOS

Also points to posible local involvement [though with easily generated fake papers, anybody could file an RTI]
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‘Lakhvi, Yusuf of LeT planned Mumbai attack’: Indian Express
Mumbai: India suspects that two senior leaders of the Lashkar-e-Toiba masterminded last week's three-day terrorist attacks that killed 171 people in Mumbai, an Indian intelligence official said on Thursday.

Evidence collected in the investigation of the deadly siege points to Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and Yusuf Muzammil, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorised to speak publicly about the details.

Lakhvi and Muzammil are believed to be top members of the Lashkar-e-Toiba.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrived in Pakistan on Thursday for meetings with civilian and military leaders after visiting India. She aimed to raise pressure on Pakistan's Government to help get to the bottom of the Terror attacks.

The US wants Pakistan to do more to go after terror cells rooted in Pakistan. Rice traded places with Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen, who was pushing the same message in Pakistan on Wednesday.
Al-Qaeda 'hijack' led to Mumbai attack by Syed Saleem Shahzad: Asia Times Online
Meanwhile, a major reshuffle in the ISI two months ago officially shelved this low-key plan as the country's whole focus had shifted towards Pakistan's tribal areas. The director of the external wing was also changed, placing the "game" in the hands of a low-level ISI forward section head (a major) and the LET's commander-in-chief, Zakiur Rahman.

Zakiur was in Karachi for two months to personally oversee the plan. However, the militant networks in India and Bangladesh comprising the Harkat, which were now in al-Qaeda's hands, tailored some changes. Instead of Kashmir, they planned to attack Mumbai, using their existent local networks, with Westerners and the Jewish community center as targets.

Zakiur and the ISI's forward section in Karachi, completely disconnected from the top brass, approved the plan under which more than 10 men took Mumbai hostage for nearly three days and successfully established a reign of terror.
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As Singha and others rightly speculated, it is becoming more and more obvious that Amerikhan knew about these attacks including the minute operational details.
There is someone in upper echelons of GoI who let it happen as well, that a*hole needs to be found and shot.
It is becoming obvious by the day as various intel agencies are running like head chickens trying to pass the blame.
If RAW guys knew about the precise coordinates and intercepted the call, then Amerikhan with its SIGINT abilities must have definitely tracked the scums all the way to Sasoon port. Bear in mind that the Satellite phone was still in Kuber 5 miles off the coast.

Khan wants to put us forward and squeeze the Pakis into action including purging the ISI elements unpalatable to them. With economic and military pressure, the Pakis will squeal and release some scums in our list including some others in Khan's list.
But they will be handed over to Khan and not to us so as to preserve the Paki H&D, hence noises from Khan's Attorney General about US jurisdiction.
Aam Janta will be happy even if some scums are delivered to Khan and not to us claiming that our politicians are incompetent to prosecute the terrorists.
In fact, most of the Janta in India look up to Khan for bringing Justice and believe me, there will be dances on street.
Congress will be elected back because Khan will leverage its Media assets and claim that it projected strong power and brought justice to perpetrators of attacks.

All in all an excellent plan from Khan while we got raped by Jihadis.
Someone from GoI signed off on these attacks, WHO?
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Hiten wrote:Even as our MARCOS and possibly the NSG go in blind having no prior knowledge of the buiding layout, tabloid claims the terrorists used RTI to get the plans

Terrorists may have used RTI

Though I get a feeling that this claim is being made by the beuracracy just to make RTI that much more difficult to file. No followup news about this. Babus joining the politicians in playing petty politics to protect interests. ...
Guys, the bit about terrorists using RTI to get the building plans doesn't sound credible ... RTI is used to get information out of government. How would RTI work to get information out of private companies such as the Taj and Oberoi groups?

Otoh, the bit about using this claim just to discredit RTI sounds plausible ...
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Caution: Blood pressure alert that the virus/bacteria/worm called Ahmed Rashid can cause you

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7764475.stm

My response:

An outrageous article from Ahmed Rashid. Echoing the western view that some how the west's battle with Al Qaeda is 'good Vs evil', while India's battle with Pakistan-sponsored terrorists is an ‘opportunity to make peace’ between the ‘rivals’. If the Indian government and its military are not resourceful enough to do what is needed, then the only solution would be for the west, India and other like-minded democracies to jointly reduce or eliminate the regional and global threat posed by the Pakistani army, the intelligence services ISI, and their proxies that undertook the slaughter and carnage in Mumbai. Ahmed Rashid type sophistry is just another way of stating that Pakistan's use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy ought to be rewarded.
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Did anyone watch the Times Now channel 8:30 PM coverage?

Vinod Mehta's Outlook bringing out an edition titled "Is war the only option?"

The Ex spokesperson for the Gen Musharass saying that any strike by India across the border WILL lead to all out war with Pakistan. No one objected or said anything, not even that India did not go to full scale war when Pakistani army came inside Indian Territory in Kargil and when they tortured and mutilated our soldiers bodies.

WTF, Amazing set of people.

The cover up has well and truly begun hoping that the mango abdals "Resilience" will kick in :(
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RajeshA wrote: Al-Qaeda 'hijack' led to Mumbai attack by Syed Saleem Shahzad: Asia Times Online
Meanwhile, a major reshuffle in the ISI two months ago officially shelved this low-key plan as the country's whole focus had shifted towards Pakistan's tribal areas. The director of the external wing was also changed, placing the "game" in the hands of a low-level ISI forward section head (a major) and the LET's commander-in-chief, Zakiur Rahman.

Zakiur was in Karachi for two months to personally oversee the plan. However, the militant networks in India and Bangladesh comprising the Harkat, which were now in al-Qaeda's hands, tailored some changes. Instead of Kashmir, they planned to attack Mumbai, using their existent local networks, with Westerners and the Jewish community center as targets.

Zakiur and the ISI's forward section in Karachi, completely disconnected from the top brass, approved the plan under which more than 10 men took Mumbai hostage for nearly three days and successfully established a reign of terror.
I smell a diabolical plan to absolve the ISI overall and pin the current problem on 'some' renegade elements within the ISI. Pakistan will then remove these few people out of ISI and revert them to the Army thereby proclaiming to the world that some serious purge had been done in the ISI of 'roguish' elements. Let's be clear. This attack has had approvals at highest levels within the ISI and the Government. The tactically brilliant TSPians felt that this attack will have everything going for them and the Indians will be constrained from hitting them back.
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Details at Cama.
Things get a bit murky. I am starting to think attack on ATS chief was a hit.
Truely murky stuff...
the week reported swears that a pathan clad terrorist/boy shot the security guard at Cama....now, neither of the two scum who were supposed to have payed a visit to Cama wore Pathan suits and were in their VERSACE shirts!!!!

Something sure isn't right here...
Also, the biggest BS is about 10 terrorists and no local support part. I still feel that either more are on the loose or few extra scum(other than Qasab) are singing away in a dark basement somewhere or are probably dead but not revealed...

Am also hoping that the "no local support" part is just for public consumption(to avoid full blown majority retaliation against IMs) and the police on the ground are going after the local scum with no stone unturned without being constrained by local Kangressi votebank matters.
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All the US newspapers I saw use the word "terrorist", not "militants". That's a positive from the Western perspective. And they openly mention Pakistan as the origin of this all. It looks like it is finally dawning that what hit India could hit the West too.
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Something tells me that attack will atleast have effects that will be be a Jingoes dream:
* 400% certain that the gloves are off and a covert ops team of RAW will take shape. All possible kindling in Baloch'tan and FATA will be done from now on(if it wasn't till now)

* amazing coverage of the special forces which bought to light so much about their latest weapons, tactics, pictures etc

* NSG to be spread out across the country. They willl finally get their own craft.

* Federal agency to be formed for terror related acts. However, wonder how useful it will be if it doesnt have the laws to back it??

* Certain improvement in CG and more fast patrol boats for the navy.
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Karkala Joishy wrote:All the US newspapers I saw use the word "terrorist", not "militants". That's a positive from the Western perspective. And they openly mention Pakistan as the origin of this all. It looks like it is finally dawning that what hit India could hit the West too.
In US, the word 'terrorist' is far more common, and identifiable than 'militant'.
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Karkala Joishy wrote:All the US newspapers I saw use the word "terrorist", not "militants". That's a positive from the Western perspective. And they openly mention Pakistan as the origin of this all. It looks like it is finally dawning that what hit India could hit the West too.
This is the pressure tactic by US on Pakistan for their work to be done in Afghanistan border. Dont get fooled by these simple things. These are highly complex maneuver by Uncle to adjust its policies so that its image is seen to be with the good guys and against the bad guys.
They have internationalized the Mumbai bombings for their objective and national interest.

Indian is actually is a spectator
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Even ToI use term "suspected gunman" to identify kasab..Whats wrong with our media.

I have to agree with Acharya on that..I have never seen CNN,BBC,Skynews give so much of coverage to anything.
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SSridhar wrote: I smell a diabolical plan to absolve the ISI overall and pin the current problem on 'some' renegade elements within the ISI. Pakistan will then remove these few people out of ISI and revert them to the Army thereby proclaiming to the world that some serious purge had been done in the ISI of 'roguish' elements. Let's be clear. This attack has had approvals at highest levels within the ISI and the Government. The tactically brilliant TSPians felt that this attack will have everything going for them and the Indians will be constrained from hitting them back.
The US apparently was aware of this and IF they were, then, they MUST be aware of who actually blessed this operation. Whitewashing from TSP is a given - to be expected, the real question is what will GoI do here on out.

The US intelligence seems to be embarrassingly ahead of Indian counter intelligence!

And, just acquiring boats or radars or guns, I do not think will resolve the problem. (ALL)INT HAS to improve. India for her own sanity, nothing to do with the rest of the nations, NEEDS to improve all around.
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I don't agree with the 'Dawood' theory doing the rounds. He isn't that powerful to create things on this scale on his own. Either somebody has used his 'services' or media is masking some other entity behind cover of Dawood.
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Karkala Joishy wrote:All the US newspapers I saw use the word "terrorist", not "militants". That's a positive from the Western perspective. And they openly mention Pakistan as the origin of this all. It looks like it is finally dawning that what hit India could hit the West too.
LONG back they were called freedom fighters!!!!!! The same bunch of terrorists by the same bunch of news reporters. In those days the GOTUS had similar thinking as seems to be in India - it really does not effect us or part of doing business. The whole thing changed pretty much after the attack in Nairobi and then the USN Cole incident. It is liable to change again IF Obama sits with Taliban and makes a deal.
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US still selling snake oil.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... nn-partner
US Challenge After Mumbai: Cooling India-Pakistan Tensions
Even if the perpetrators came from Pakistan, the Mumbai massacre, like the murder of Benazir Bhutto and the bombing of the Islamabad Marriott, proves that India and Pakistan share a common enemy in jihadist terrorism — and they need to put their six decades of mutual hostility behind them in order to fight the extremists.

So goes the narrative that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other U.S. officials are trying to sell both sides in order to avoid an escalation of tensions that would threaten regional stability and undermine U.S. goals in Afghanistan. But while Pakistan's civilian government enthusiastically echoes that perspective, it's a tough sell with the players that count most in this instance: India's government, and Pakistan's military.
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amdavadi wrote:Even ToI use term "suspected gunman" to identify kasab..Whats wrong with our media.

I have to agree with Acharya on that..I have never seen CNN,BBC,Skynews give so much of coverage to anything.
After seeing yesterday coverage of the Brooking Institute talk on Mumbai Bombing it became clear that this is one gigantic media show for the national interest of Uncle.
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The Government bureaucracy in India has once again failed the nation. Although terrorism is rife in India at present, after every terrorist strike the GOI goes back to sleep and its a case of shock and awe when the terrorist strike!
Ministers resigning and offering to resign will not solve the cause of the problem ie: the bureaucratic system its self which has to be overhauled...

and across the border,in the land of the pure (morons) who conveniently sell the story that they have so called tribal areas which are ungovernable. Their BS should no longer be tolerated. The GOI should reliaze that the Terrorist will not stop and will have to be stopped and must prepare for urban warfare as much as they are preparing for a conventional one.

The GOI cannot allow Pakistan to deny responsibility for the Terrorist attacks from tribal arears and must start demanding reparations for the attacks for starters and reserve the right to retaliate against the terrorist camps.
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huh!~ it appears like our people will make up things, and present the truth, only the truth, and nothing but the truth., just by guess work. We are like a water cycle, evaporating and condensing, bringing up a 100% humidity in our thoughts. Lets not give up our long term strategies.

folks, we are losing the only handle to get pakis react to terrorists. we all know its ISI, but first step is get those terror list guys, and put them in undisclosed jail. Then ramp up operation further on dividing the ISI, pak gov, and various sects.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

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Acharya garu stands corrected, the way US media and administration have reacted/acted on the recent attacks goes to show only one thing, i.e. US commitment to leverage PA for former's witch hunt in Afganistan , while it was customary for a world power to shed tears on an incident such as the Mumbai attacks what is even more important for the former is the fact that PA and ISI are indispensable to the US's hidden agenda in the subcontinent .


Just look at the double talk and politcally correct statements emanating from the US officials , while in India they would make a statement in press demanding action from the GOP and acknowledging the latter's involvement in the incident , the same delegation flies next day to Islamabad and would state "We are satisfied with the assurances given by GOP, and believe that Pakistan will coordinate/cooperate with India for resolving the crisis'.

The media on the both sides of the border will lap up these apply nationalistic flavor and claim "US is with India/Pakistan".

The very fact that a country like India needs US to endorse its pov for making decisions at this critical juncture tells a lot about our Country and its leaders.

---Bhai log it is no brainer that likes of CIA/FBI or even the Pentagon were and are aware of the situation in the sub continent , while they might not actually want incidents like Mumbai blasts to take place but they would never acknowledge or approve of dismantling the source of such attacks
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The haplessness of the people in solely depending on the government for the only thing they hold dear ( life !) is mind boggling. Everyone is asking the government to do something, no member of our population is willing to shoulder some responsibility. Asking for relaxed gun control for instance ? India's innocent citizens ( and not its Government ) is under sustained attack and needs to be armed adequately.

Unlike an ideal democracy India has a government of the IAS, by a selfish people ( which cant think beyond caste ) and for the politicians. The only responsibility of every government in India is to bloat itself and make its members rich. Why will someone blindly trust such a system with their life is a deep question in itself.
ezra wrote:The Government bureaucracy in India has once again failed the nation. Although terrorism is rife in India at present, after every terrorist strike the GOI goes back to sleep and its a case of shock and awe when the terrorist strike!
Ministers resigning and offering to resign will not solve the cause of the problem ie: the bureaucratic system its self which has to be overhauled...
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

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If we analyze the key motivations of USA and Pakistan (which are different) *before* the Mumbai terrorist event event, and then tie it to their actions *after* the event -- one notices that neither of them have changed their motivations, while they both try to steer India into doing what's best for them (so what's new, you say? nothing). Also, the timeline to be considered starts from mid-2007 (when Riedel and Rashid wrote the "Give Cashmere to Pakistan for World Piece" article -- this was the time (a) the pakis allegedly started training pakis for this Mumbai terror op (b) The ISI sold out some of its L-e-T footsoldiers in the UK to the police. (c) Election campaigning had started in the US and Obama was already understood as the winner given the anti-incumbent mood in the USA

US's motivations: Harden the LoC to an International border to keep India out of Central Asia in the long term. Provide freebies to pakis at India's cost in order to "win the cooperation of the pakis" (an idea that shows up every day in the newspapers nowadays). (3) " FBI assist" in the investigation of the terrorist act with the intention of cleaning up any inconvenient facts that will undercut US interests in Pakistan (4) Keep pakistan as a unified entity so that it can be a successful "foil" in the so-called "great game".

US's motivations are NOT to (1) solve India's pakistan problem (2) assist India in retaining control of Indian territory (3) assist India in exposing Paki perfidy (quite the opposite -- hope the "cooperation with the FBI" is not repeating the "grenade cap went missing" BS from the FBI).


Pakistan's motivations: Provide a plausibly deniable excuse to the US for not assisting in the GOAT in SWAT/Western Pakistan. (2) reinforce the notion that "Solving Cashmere" is essential to "lasting peace in the subcontinent". (3) Create a "nukular flashpoint in south asia" situation that assorted oiseaules of the Halfbright/clinton mold can then use to push their PoK agenda. (4) Ahmed Rashid's essay with Bruce Riedel was scripted in May 2007, so clearly the paki RAPE establishment figured that the democrats would be in power in the next administration and figured that the new regime would change the paki game plan.

The Paki game plan (as has been noted by KS and MD Nalapat) is to kick off this "internationalization of the Cashmere Issue" by creating a war-like situation with India, so that USA will get involved. The game plan they will follow will be (a) fake a "clean up" of the ISI (b) tell India that it is because of US assistance that Pakistan behaved (c) demand a Cashmere Quid-pro-quo for services rendered.

The lines of this MO are already showing up given the recent conferences in DC involving Riedel, Uneven Cohen, and such "luminaries" -- these turds surely dis cussed the game plan to "solve Cashmere in order to win Pakistan's cooperation". Note the tone of this article by Riedel after the Mumbai terror attack.

http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2008/ ... iedel.aspx
Much still needs to be learned about the Mumbai attacks. According to some Indian accounts, a captured terrorist has already confessed to being a member of LeT. Several Indian (B. Raman for example) and Pakistani (Ahmad Rashid) experts have suggested an al Qaeda hand in the attacks behind LeT. But we should be careful not to draw conclusions too early from an incomplete investigation. There is considerable confusion and contradiction in the press accounts of what transpired. The good news is that Pakistan has offered to assist in the investigation which could help prevent the very crisis between India and Pakistan that the plots masterminds may have wanted.
Note how Riedel completely ignores the fact that Pakistan is NOT cooperating with India in this investigation -- the pakis are overplaying their hand here, which is the only bright spot in this horror show. "Al Qaeda" is intimately known to the US/CIA since the cold war days, so the US govt.'s game plan is to pretend that "fighting al-qaeda" requires making "lasting peace with pakistan"....yes, such statements do smell like an uncleaned horse barn.
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Singha wrote:excerpt from rediff. logically the remaining 5 metro cities are the chosen places for the next spectacular attack. take your pick and say your prayers.
one does not need to be higher up in RAW to guess...

in terms of priority

- bangaluru
- dilli
- ahmedabad
- pune
- agra (the marble kabrastan)
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