I think it was Tom Friedman who speculated what the Muslim reaction would have been should 12 Hindus have taken to the high seas, landed in TSP, and slaughtered TSPians en masse.
Now even without deserving such an 'honor', the Suzzan A'Roys are already howling "Hindu terrorists" == LeT, but should the "Hindu terrorists" actually deserve such an 'honor', i.e., they undertook such a ghastly massacre of TSPians, it boggles the mind to imagine the level of self flagellation that would have taken place within India and the opprobrium the west would have heaped on India. And in contrast, look at the brazenness of TSP, they know very well they engineered and scored a huge terrorist hit, and yet feign such innocence and put on a breath takingly brazen display of arrogance.
Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
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MAKING SENSE OF THE MUMBAI ATTACKS
In the Triangle of Terror
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 70,00.html
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In the Triangle of Terror
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 70,00.html
Excerpt
It was a bizarre incident. Perhaps security officials should have seen what happened in March 2007 in the waters off Mumbai, a city of 18 million people, as a warning. That was when the crew of an Indian coast guard vessel noticed a fishing cutter coming from the north.
When the officers stopped the boat, they found, in addition to the crew, eight young Pakistani men who had no business being in Indian territorial waters. The men were so intent on being allowed to continue to Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay, that they offered the Indian officials a bribe.
The Indians took the money and allowed the eight Pakistanis to continue, but they were not truly corrupt. Instead, they quickly placed a small homing device on board the fishing boat and notified Indian intelligence.
A short time later, the Pakistanis were apprehended and questioned. The intelligence agents soon realized that they were dealing with Islamists from the Pakistani organization Lashkar-e Taiba. But they never learned what the men were doing in India.
Today, more than one-and-a-half years later, Indian intelligence agents are connecting the dots between that incident and last week's attacks in Mumbai. They believe that the Islamists may have been on a test run to figure out the best way to bring a certain number of men from Pakistan to Mumbai by sea
That trip was probably a dress rehearsal for the attack that began last Wednesday evening. It ended in more than 170 dead and almost 300 wounded, after Mumbai was attacked by at least 10 Islamists. They arrived in inflatable boats, wore athletic shoes, trendy cargo trousers and backpacks -- young men who looked like backpacking students.
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Backpacking students is one thing and should be welcomed (I backpacked through America in the eighties and it was fun). However, backpacking pakis are a dangerous combination and should be stopped at the paki borders.Arya Sumantra wrote:....young men who looked like backpacking students.
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Pls kindly avoid terminological inexacttudes and redundancies. The proper term is
BakPaki = = First Victim of a Suicide Bombing.BakPaki
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Praveen Swami had talked about this "incident". The Pakis were allowed to go all the way from Mumbai to Jammu. All their local safehouses on the way from Mumbai to Jammu were duly noted and busted and once the group reached Jammu, the 8 Pakis were hauled in. I wonder in which dark cellar are they hanging upside down right now?The Indians took the money and allowed the eight Pakistanis to continue, but they were not truly corrupt. Instead, they quickly placed a small homing device on board the fishing boat and notified Indian intelligence.
A short time later, the Pakistanis were apprehended and questioned. The intelligence agents soon realized that they were dealing with Islamists from the Pakistani organization Lashkar-e Taiba. But they never learned what the men were doing in India.
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Wonder which the "social org" in the bolded part is?Kasab writes to Pak High Commission, seeks legal aid
Kasab’s letter has been forwarded by the Mumbai police to the External Affairs and the Union Home Ministries.Kasab’s letter has been forwarded by the Mumbai police to the External Affairs and the Union Home Ministries.
Kasab’s letter has been forwarded by the Mumbai police to the External Affairs and the Union Home Ministries.
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Mumbai: Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman, who was arrested on November 26 during the Mumbai Terror attack, has written a letter to the Pakistan High Commission seeking legal help.
The letter has been forwarded by the Mumbai police to the External Affairs and the Union Home Ministries for necessary action, Joint Commissioner of Police Rakesh Maria said on Saturday.
Maria said Ajmal has also asked the Pakistan High Commission to take custody of the body of fellow terrorist Ismail Khan who was killed in an encounter in South Mumbai the same night.
Iman, also known as Ajmal Kasab, is the only terrorist captured alive by police during the operation while nine other terrorists involved in the terror attack at Taj, Oberoi-Trident Hotels and Nariman House besides Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus and Cama Hospital were killed.
Ajmal has been remanded to police custody till December 24.
However, the Pakistan High Commission in Delhi denied having received any letter from Iman.
"We have not received any letter," a Pakistan High Commission spokesman said.
Pakistan's denial comes against mounting evidence that Iman, who hails from Faridkot vilage in Punjab province of Pakistan.
Meanwhile, advocate Ashok Sarogi said a social organisation has approached him to represent Ajmal and his view was that ‘nobody should go undefended.’
Asked whether he would be representing Ajmal, Sarogi said, "nothing is final but discussion is on. Let's see."
Sarogi had in the past represented gangster Abu Salem who is facing trial in 1993 Mumbai serial blasts case.
Several lawyers of Mumbai have refused to defend Ajmal and Bombay Metropolitan Magistrate Courts' Bar Association adopted a resolution deciding not to take up the terrorist's case.
Earlier, Advocate Dinesh Mota, the senior most member of the Legal Aid Panel, refused to represent Ajmal saying ‘I am a Mumbaikar and all the victims (of terror attack) are like my family. Why would I ever represent him?’
Ajmal, the Pakistani national is facing a dozen charges including waging war against the country and murder.
He was also involved in the killing of three senior police officials, including ATS chief Hemant Karkare in November 26 night near Cama hospital in South Mumbai.
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The entire social organization should be lined up and shot at
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/13/world ... 1&ref=asia
Mr. Saeed goes on vacation...
Mr. Saeed goes on vacation...
With House Arrest Pakistan Curbs, Lightly, a Leader Tied to Mumbai Attackers
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and SALMAN MASOOD
Published: December 12, 2008
LAHORE, Pakistan — On a normal Friday afternoon the line of cars and red Honda motorbikes outside the Qadssiya mosque stretches to a gas station a half mile away. Eight thousand worshipers typically come to hear Hafiz Muhammad Saeed preach at the headquarters of the organization he leads, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the charity that fronts for the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. The two-tiered mosque can accommodate only a portion of the crowd, so the remainder spill out onto a broad concrete courtyard.
Guards searched people outside a mosque in Lahore, Pakistan, on Friday that is the headquarters of Jamaat-ud-Dawa.
But this Friday the road outside was clear, and the few thousand who showed up were all able to fit inside. The day before, the Pakistani authorities had put Mr. Saeed under house arrest and closed dozens of the group’s offices across the country. Many followers were unnerved.
“The government has created a panic,” said Mohammed Nawaz, 35, one of the mosque administrators, who estimated that only one in four people came to this week’s services. “Our leader has been arrested, so what happens if they come to prayers? Not a lot of people have come today. People are not certain what will happen next.”
A few miles away, in Mr. Saeed’s leafy neighborhood, it was a decidedly more relaxed scene. Several dozen policemen ringed the area around his home, standing casually with rifles and enforcing a house arrest that seemed more of a forced vacation.
Two heavily bearded workers from Jamaat-ud-Dawa arrived with food, and the police raised the barricades and allowed them through, choosing not to inspect their Suzuki truck. Mr. Saeed’s relatives have been allowed to come and go freely from the home, policemen said. A young boy and a girl standing on the second-floor balcony of Mr. Saeed’s home looked down at the police and smiled.
One local police commander, seeing journalists arrive, rushed over and proclaimed that Mr. Saeed was confined inside his home, banned from going outside now or at any other time.
Almost on cue, Mr. Saeed emerged moments later from the mosque across the street, clad in a green jacket and a cream-colored shalwar kameez, the long tunic and baggy pants that Pakistani men commonly wear, and ambled back to his house. “No, no, it’s not Hafiz Saeed,” the embarrassed commander said, though it clearly was. “I’m just following instructions,” he added.
The two scenes underscored the Pakistani government’s deeply mixed reaction to Mr. Saeed and his organization following the terrorist attacks in Mumbai that the Indian and United States governments have accused Lashkar of carrying out.
Under intense pressure to show some resolve against homegrown terrorism, the Pakistani government claims to have arrested the Lashkar official suspected of running the Mumbai attacks, and then on Thursday and Friday it shut down dozens of Jamaat-ud-Dawa offices and said it had detained many of the group’s members.
But the government has also taken clear steps to soften the blow, like allowing Mr. Saeed to hold a defiant news conference before his house arrest began. Mr. Saeed maintains that neither he nor Jamaat-ud-Dawa have had connections to Lashkar for more than six years.
As was apparent at his home on Friday, the government is clearly reluctant to cut off Mr. Saeed and his group too abruptly, partly out of expediency but partly out of fear, too.
Pakistan has used Lashkar and other militant groups as surrogate security forces in Kashmir, the disputed Himalayan region claimed by both Pakistan and India, and many in the country’s army are sympathetic to Lashkar and other Islamist militant groups. The country’s premier spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, helped establish Lashkar in the 1980s to undermine the Indian authorities in Kashmir.
Lashkar and Jamaat-ud-Dawa remain popular in Punjab, the most populous province, where the cities and villages that spread out from Lahore, the provincial capital, have been the principal recruiting ground for Lashkar and Jamaat-ud-Dawa and for the men accused of carrying out the Mumbai attacks. In these rural areas the two organizations are synonymous.
Moreover, Jaamat-ud-Dawa is seen by many Punjabis as a more effective relief agency than the government, bringing shelter, food, blankets and medicine to people devastated by earthquakes in Kashmir in 2005 and in Baluchistan Province in October.
“All the relief work will be badly affected” by the crackdown, said Mohammed Faizan Kashif, a 28-year-old Lahore banker who attended Friday’s service and, like many here, sharply criticized what he described as the government’s fecklessness and kow-towing to American and Indian pressure. “If I try to organize a fashion show, the government will facilitate it,” he said. “But if I try to highlight the Kashmir issue, the government would stop it.”
Inside the mosque, Mr. Saeed’s 38-year-old son, Mohammed Talha Saeed, took his father’s place at the podium and inveighed against the government’s crackdown as the result of “dictation from the United States” and pressure from “Jews and the Hindu lobby.”
“If the government continues this type of activity, then one day the army of God will come,” he lectured, urging the worshipers to remain patient.
Waqar Gillani contributed reporting.
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"Army of God" (a.k.a. Jaish-e-Muhammad) paindabad -- Pakistan needs a hostile takeover by god via his minions in the JeM and give pakistan a lot of pure Islam.“If the government continues this type of activity, then one day the army of God will come,” he lectured, urging the worshipers to remain patient.
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Do Not Wash This Blood; Do Not Wipe This Tear: Get Angry
Maloy K Dhar December 12, 2008
Tags: revolution , people , maoist , government , people , India , terrorism
This dissertation is not meant to inspire you to accumulate anger as a part of behavioral asset. Anger, in some form of application, is bad; medically, socially and morally. That anger is an animal instinct and is originated by obstruction to achieve desired object and lust, has been
stated even in the Holy Book-
Gita:
Dhyato Vishayan Pungsh Sangasteshupajayate,
Sangatsajjayate Kamah Kamatkrodhoabhijayate
Krodhatbhabati Sanmoha Sanmohatsmritibibhrama
Smritibhrangshad Buddhinashou Buddhinashatpranashayati (Second Chapter).
In simple English: Excessive lust and desire for any object generates infatuation in men, infatuation generates stronger desire; non-achievement generates anger; anger smog rational thinking; loss of rational thinking generates misguidance; misguided of judgment destroys men.
However, I beg to draw a line between the interpretations of the Holy Book and mundane but very important aspects those govern the affairs of a society and a Nation. This anger is not for saturating lust and fulfilling desire. This anger is more primordial- cave men wailing for total lack of safety form elemental hazards and approaching saber-toothed predator. You and all of us are being attacked by armed predators from inside and outside the country. Our constitutional protectors are emasculated and cannot defend us. They simply rob our resources; stack inside the country or in foreign accounts. They are above the law and we have no law and order coverage. The latest mercenary attack on Mumbai has proved the impotence of the omnipotent government and its governing tools. These are toothless robbing tigers.
You have wiped enough tears, you have washed enough blood. Stop wiping and washing. Stand up. Ask: how long this drama would continue? How long would we be asked to sacrifice?
For whom? The fat and corrupt politicians and the catty bureaucrats who bite away our resources in the name of fatter pay and parks packets? No more.
A time has come to get angry. It is no more enough for the media to tom-tom the virtue of the metro cities like Mumbai, eulogizing their infinite shrugging capability and sleep over the ghastly incidents taking toll of hundreds of lives and going about usual business and animalistic daily chores. A human community cannot be expected to graze in the grasslands of Kenya mindless of attacks by ferocious cats and two legged hunters. That is the basic difference between organised human society and pack of wild animals. It looks poetic and reads cathartic in electronic and print media to buy and swallow the bait that life moves on; dastard terror attack or not; corpses lying next door or not and the sleeping with the feeling: ‘I am ok, let the world go to hell.’ If our media cannot go on tomfooling the people by hyping the basic animal instinct in the animal called MAN.
Some tears can be wiped, some blood can be washed and life restarted. Indians are attuned to this routine for centuries, overcoming waves of invasion and carnages. Animals are better healed by time than medicine. Dawa se dua kabhi kabhi accha hota hain, as they say in Urdu-sometimes prayer is better than medicine. These clichés are parts of our lulling process, which we recite and go to sleep. After all, the animal must live and continue to survive.
However, we happen to live in a supposed organized Nation State whose business are run on the basis of freedom, liberty, equality, secularism and other noble concepts enshrined in the constitution. The basic test of existence of a State is its capability to protect the lives and properties of the citizen from internal and external disturbances, maintain order, move the people up to the path of progress and maintain integrity of the geopolitical entity and all other affairs of the Nation. These rights have been assured in the constitution.
For last 60 odd years we have faced disturbances arising out of internal fault lines in our communal divide, in the Northeast, Punjab, Kashmir and of course and the great fault line that is creating tectonic explosions in the Maosit movement affected areas. The entire country is in turmoil despite our pretensions that life goes on smooth like a placid river. The poetic description is misleading. Life flows on but often its course takes violent turns, changes course and brings miseries. That life can go out of rhythm totally has been proved by the escalating Maoist movement arising out of constant neglect of rural economy, agricultural community and other related problems.
I am not advocating the last course of action a group of citizen can take; rebel and create a civil war like situation. I am just evoking again the spirit of the song written by Pradip and immoratalised by Lata Mangeshkar after the 1962 China war debacle: please do not forget the sacrifices of the brave warriors of the country; remember them and keep the fire lighted.
This time, after the organised mercenary attack by a group of Pakistan based jihadists on Mumbai, in culmination of sporadic bomb attacks should not be forgotten. We should not go to sleep like a tried and vexed animal and wake up next morning and go hunting for livelihood, sex, amusement and procreation; look up the sinking sensex and wail over the rising prices of daily needs. We should try to be little better than basic animals.
For the first time a group of seaborne foreign mercenary raiders attacked a prime city of India, the supposed land of proud Marathas, revolutionaries and champions of progress. It is no jihadi/terrorist cell and module based attack. This is an attack by a proxy-foreign army with the backing of sections of Pakistani state apparatus. Those of you read the book or seen the movie Dogs of War by Frederick Forsythe and Guns of Navarone should realize with great shame that India is a Soft State and any enemy can get away with Kargil and Mumbai like adventures. This fluffy cotton-country reacts with limped limb-jerk and vomits political garbage in the form of lectures and lectures ad infinitum. Do we still look at the State as Gods beyond the clouds? The people have to decide; now or never.
Therefore, I request you do not go to bed by wiping the tear and washing the blood-Hindu, Muslim, Christian and Jewish blood. Please freeze the tear drops and the blood clots and ask in anger: where do we go from here and how do we go! Get angry, for the first and last time. Get angry not to desire money, woman, and power, not to destroy but to stabilize the systemic organs of the country and give yourselves a renewed system that works, invigorates and revitalise the tools of governances that are capable of protecting you and the country. This objective requires strong resolution and determination to reject what our corrupt, criminal and caste and greed ridden politicians say, reject all the excuses offered by the systemic tools and reject all the contorted arguments offered by the so-called intellectuals and analysts. They offer opinion because some of them are paid by vested interests and others write because the papers are to be filled up in black and white and the anchors have to fill in the air time. Listen to your heart; listen to cries of your children, wife and other near and dear ones. Listen to your inner urging and cry in anger: CHANGE THE SYSTEM, CHANGE THE GOVERNING TOOLS, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION, CHANGE THE LAWS, CHANGE THE CRIMINAL JURISPRUDENDEC SYSTEM AND DUMP THE POLITICIANS OF PRESENT VARIETY.
Come out and share the anger of the people and make the anger victorious.
Before you do so you should know what has gone wrong and how the enemy is able to hit our heart like we are a banana Caribbean island. Leave aside Kargil and other faux pas, the present mercenary jihadi attack on Mumbai is not new at all. It is an upgraded version of what has been going on in India in the name of Islamic terrorist attacks and Jihadi thrust. Besides severe blast incidents in 1993 that devastated Mumbai and attack on the Parliament in 2001 there have been several high intensity serial bomb blasts since 2003:
March 13, 2003 - Bomb attack on a commuter train in Mumbai kills 11 people.
August 25, 2003 - Two car bombs kill about 60 in Mumbai. Aug. 15, 2004 - A bomb explodes in the northeastern state of Assam, killing 16 people, mostly schoolchildren, and wounding dozens.
October 29, 2005 - Sixty-six people are killed when three blasts rip through markets in New Delhi.
March 7, 2006 - At least 15 people are killed and 60 wounded in three blasts in the northern Hindu pilgrimage city of Varanasi.
July 11, 2006 - More than 180 people are killed in seven bomb explosions at railway stations and on trains in Mumbai that are blamed on Islamist militants.
September 8, 2006 - At least 32 people are killed in a series of explosions, including one near a mosque, in Malegaon town, 260 km (160 miles) northeast of Mumbai.
Feb. 19, 2007 - Two bombs explode aboard a train heading from India to Pakistan; at least 66 passengers, most of them Pakistanis, burn to death.
May 18, 2007 - A bomb explodes during Friday prayers at a historic mosque in the southern city of Hyderabad, killing 11 worshippers. Police later shoot dead five people in clashes with hundreds of enraged Muslims who protest against the attack.
Aug. 25, 2007 - Three coordinated explosions at an amusement park and a street stall in Hyderabad kill at least 40 people.
May 13, 2008 - Seven bombs rip through the crowded streets of the western city of Jaipur, killing at least 63 people in markets and outside Hindu temples.
July 25 - Eight small bombs hit the IT city of Bangalore, killing at least one woman and wounding at least 15.
July 26 - At least 16 small bombs explode in Ahmedabad in the state of Gujarat, killing 45 people and wounding 161. A little-known group called the “Indian Mujahideen” claims responsibility for the attack and the May 13 attack in Jaipur.
Sept 13 - At least five bombs explode in crowded markets and streets in the heart of New Delhi, killing at least 18 people and injuring scores more. The Indian Mujahideen again claim responsibility.
Oct 30 - Eleven bomb blasts rip through Guwahati, the main city of northeastern Assam state. Detonated in quick succession, they kill at least 68 people and wound 335.
Nov 26 - At least 101 people are killed in Mumbai as an unidentified number of armed attackers shoot at and toss grenades into crowds at landmark hotels and buildings.
Nov 29 - Police finally end the siege at the iconic Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai. More than 155 people, including foreigners, were killed in militant attacks on two luxury hotels and landmarks across the city.
The statistics indicate that the foreign and internal jihadis who intend to reestablish Islamic hegemony over India as an extension of two decades old jihad in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh are escalating the degree of attack on India. This time it has come in the form of a daring mercenary attack. This is an up gradation of the war strategy- from proxy-war to direct war.
The readers have fair idea about the perpetrators. However, to concretise the presentation of facts so disjointedly catered by the media and innumerable official spokespersons a capsule description is given below. Lots have been written about the Lashkar-e-Toiba and the materials are available in several web pages. In short, Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad was founded in 1987 by Prof. Hafiz Moahmmad Saeed and Abdullah Azam, a Palestinian and the original preceptor of Osama bin Laden with monetary help of the later and support of the ISI. Out of this Markaz emerged Lashkar-e-Toiba in 1991 at Kunnur province in Afghanistan (some reports say Muzaffarabad) as the fighting arm of the Markaz, headquartered at Muridke, near Lahore (see map). Its dual purpose was to assist the Qaeda in Afghanistan and global jihad and to carry out ISI’s war against India in Kashmir.
Initially the Lashkar was partly trained in Afghanistan and Muridke and nearby forested area called Changa Manga. Later the major training camps were shifted to Muzaffarabad, Thakot and Mansehra (see map). Your mercenary invaders were trained by a former ISI and army officer of Pakistan for over one year at Thakot camp (name not revealed for security reasons).
Lashkar camps at Thakot, Muzaffarabad and Mansehra in POK
Lashkar camps at Thakot, Muzaffarabad and Mansehra in POK
Initial recruitment was made from Punjab and out of that 25 young men were selected to undergo rigourous training. After brainwashing at Muridke the team was sent to Thakot for intensive training and every aspect of the training was supervised by the ISI cover officers.
After Muridke and Thakot training the group of 20 was sent to Karachi for undergoing naval-training under supervision of the Musa Company of the Special Services Group (SSG) of Pakistan Army (Musharraf was in command earlier) . The Musa Company is something like MARCOS unit of the Indian Navy. After intensive training in navigation, rough weather sailing and other aspects of naval maneuver the group was equipped to the teeth with GPS, Sat Phone, explosives, arms and ammunition and of course they were acquainted with detailed aspects of the targets of attack by using video materials. The video materials, it is now known, were made by cohorts of Dawood Ibrahim who also helped the boys by providing false identity papers. The identity papers were meant to give Pakistan a solid ground for deniability-to tell India bluntly that the raid was done by Indian Muslims or better Hindu terrorists. Some identity papers and SIM cards were obtained by HUJI and SIMI activists in Calcutta and West Bengal district towns. This hoax was fortified by sending mails in the name of Deccan Mujahideen prom a Pakistani proxy server. Some media agents of the ISI in India and abroad also floated the story that the attack was mounted by Israeli Mossad and India intelligence. Have a look at various Islamist web pages, which are carrying the garnished story in all conceivable manners to impress vulnerable Indian Muslims that the great raid was by their own brethren. Sniff around and you would hear the hushed mouth to mouth propaganda that the heinous crime was perpetrated by the Hindu government to malign the Muslims. What do you do with such congenital Goebbels?
The mercenaries took a well planned route starting from the capital town of POK via Muridke, Karachi>Porbandar> Mumbai. I illustrate the route for your benefit:
Muzaffarabad to Mumbai
Muzaffarabad to Mumbai
Approximate Landing route
Approximate Landing route
It would be clear that such a daring international transgression could not be performed by a terrorist group without state players of Pakistan. Rest of the stories about hijacking of a Gujarati fishing vessel or betrayal by a Gujarati fisherman earlier won over by the ISI while in Pakistani jail, would unfold during investigation. Let the police and intelligence carry out the postmortem as they usually do and let us proceed with resolved anger to examine other important aspects of this mini-Kargil on Mumbai.
To remind you and to strengthen your resolve a photo of the area of occupation by the mercenaries is given below:
Area of Operation by the Mercenaries (courtesy BBC)
Area of Operation by the Mercenaries (courtesy BBC)
Many opinions have been expressed by multi-mouthed government agencies and more are yet to come. Readers may notice the similarity between Mumbai attack and 9/11 attack on the USA. Mumbai operation was launched from Karachi but was planned in Islamabad and the US attack was launched from Pakistan and Afghanistan bases of the Al Qaeda and the ISI. The footprints of Al Qaeda techniques in Mumbai operation can be easily detected by discerning eyes. It may be remembered that the LeT is intricately linked to the ISI, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Exchange of technology is a common feature.
The other players are:
a) Dawood Ibrahim and his mafia associates in Mumbai,
b) SIMI/IM assistance from Hyderabad, Bangalore and Mumbai.
c) HUJI helpers in Bangladesh and bordering areas of Murshidabad and Malda districts of West Bengal.
Dawood helped the ISI by supplying ground survey reports, facilitating intimate knowledge of the hotels and other targets. Very few people in Mumbai itself know that there is a Jewish centre at Nariman House. The facilitators of the IM helped with identity cards etc and HUJI facilitators helped in obtaining SIM cards and false certificates to help the ISI to spin the story that the attack was mounted by Indian Muslims (Deccan Mujahideen). These preparations were done months ahead of the attack and the ISI and the LeT were equipped with all the alibis.
The name Deccan Mujahideen has been used deliberately as the separatist Muslims always insisted on creation of Osmanistan with the former princely state of Hyderabad as nucleus. Hyderabad and Bangalore have other live links to this attack. Abu Hamza and Sahabuddin Ahmed linked to IISC, Bangalore attack and Syyid Vicar Ali of Hyderabad Mecca Masjid incident are suspected as main southern helpers of the ISI and the Lashkar. The myth of Deccan Mujahideen has been woven around these separatists from southern India.
Intelligence agencies are aware that Joint Intelligence Miscellaneous of the ISI and one of its important operatives Col. Mehmood Hassan has been responsible for most of the planned attacks in Indian mainland. The US 9/11 attack was assisted by the ISI (former DG ISI Mahmood Ahmad) and this time around also the ISI core is involved in the planning. Forward roles may have been played by Kafa and Zaki ur Rahman Lakhwi, Kashmir in charge of Lashkar operations.
Like the US operation the Mumbai attack was also planned and prepared for over one year. This is no ordinary terrorist attack. It is a seaborne mercenary attack like the Guns of Navarone where a British team was sent to cross occupied Greek territory and destroy the massive German gun emplacement that commanded a key sea channel. I should say with a tinge of sadness that Indian intelligence agencies also had failed to stretch their imagination that Pakistan could resort to such mercenary attack. Anticipation is half of the intelligence scheme and blue print on which the agencies build up real operations bases. How surprising that even the IB has run out of anticipation and imagination! Or have they joined the rut procession?
The Lashkar chief has denied any involvement of his organization in the Mumbai incident. The Pakistani president initially reacted with positive signals but retracted after the real owners of Pakistan-the Mullahs, Army and the ISI pressed his government to behave or get punished like his wife Benazir. Elected or nominated, no head of state or prime minister in Pakistan can renege against the real owners of Pakistan. That president Zardai is more fragile than a sand castle has now been amply proved. He has to recite the script prepared by General Kiyani and General Nadim Taj, the ISI chief or fall to bullets as his wife Benazir did.
What went wrong in India? It is necessary to know to strengthen your anger and your determination to take the fight to the core of the rotting political and bureaucratic system that operates our constitution and the governing tools.
The RAW is supposed to keep track of inimical activities beyond our borders. They are paid from your money to keep track of jihadi and terrorists organizations abroad that are regularly punishing you, simply because you are Indians. Colossal failure on the part of the RAW to generate real-time Human Intelligence has become a pain in the neck. Their reporting is sketchy, irregular and there is hardly any advance input to help the internal agencies to prevent jihadi attacks. The Intelligence Bureau has very limited access to the Islaimist organizations for combination of reasons that cannot be overcome without drastic changes in our governing attitude. The boorish policy of vote-bank secularism hinders the intelligence and security agencies. Intelligence is supposed to access a place where death even cannot enter. They have failed in their endeavours. They are also answerable to the country.
Fortunately this time around the RAW had an electronic input to indicate that a group of jihadis are likely to mount seaborne attack on Mumbai and one of the targets was Taj Hotel. Regarding Taj the IB also had sent warning to the state government and other agencies. What did the RAW do after the electronic input was received? Had they activated their assets in Karachi? Do they have any real-time asset in that area? If so, why did they fail to follow up the information?
The IB had also not followed up the information in its entire ramification covering coastal areas, mafia linkages and indigenous jihadis. Why? How long would they take shelter behind the veil of secrecy? IB is supposed to work out most ground details in cooperation with the state intelligence and police. Mere intelligence sharing does not qualify IB to retire for the day. Well known for its operational edges the IB should be able to follow up smallest lead on the ground. The ideal reporting format includes: i) intelligence statement (real input); ii) intelligence assessment (what is the real threat according to agency’s assessment); iii) intelligence implication (what can be real ground ramifications) and the likely follow up action by the reporting agency.
I am sorry to say that the two major central intelligence agencies of India do not follow this format followed by countries like the USA. It was imperative on the part of the RAW to follow up the initial input and feed further information. In case IB was aware of this RAW input it should have activated ground units to follow up. Why the Maharashtra unit of the IB failed to follow up? Mumbai has a strong unit. Why did it goof up? Why should these officers not be punished?
The mother agencies cannot wash away conscience and justify existence by merely claiming that they had catered some information. However, I do not endorse the half-baked views expressed by the Navy Chief. The Navy and the Coast Guard have a lot of questions to answer. Fortunately for them in India even after a Kargil the chiefs of intelligence agencies are rewarded with gubernatorial posts. Long live the indestructible Baboos!
However, as far as the IB is concerned there are severe limitations. IB requires minimum 100% increase in manpower and other resources. Our political class finds black money to loot but do not find legal money to spend for the security of the country, in spite of repeated threat from the neighbouring countries.
How long the people would tolerate? Why should not the people decide to dismantle this rotten system? Over last twenty years minimum 20 announcements were made to increase the capability of the IB. Precious little has been done and there is no constitutional author to take stock of the appalling condition of the IB as there is no Act of the Parliament to regulate the body and there is no accountability system. IB is a house maid of the PM and the Home Minister. Our politicians of all sheds have refused to add spine, morale and efficiency of the IB.
It is better less said about the RAW; an organization allegedly for Relatives and Associates’ Welfare. Since our people are not empowered to look into the functioning of these two agencies thorough their Parliamentary Overseeing Committee, the agencies tend to save their skins by taking shelter behind the indulgent politicians. It is high time the country wakes up and asks these questions. Please wake up, get angry and ask and force your political parties through your electoral power to attend to these important aspects of national security.
The state government (police and intelligence) did precious little to work out the ground details of the input. They were busy with tomfooling with the publicity glare of detecting Hindu Terrorism. The SIT, a virtual leaking can, was leaking information by the minutes. Before the State Assembly elections it was imperative for them to prove that Hindu Terrorism was as devastating for the country as the Muslim terrorism was.
In simple words the DG police Maharashtra and Commissioner of Police should have been sent home along with the Home and Chief Minister. These servants of the people are still merrily basking in the glory of post-attack glare, when they should have been in the dust bin. This happens because in India accountability is with the political master and not to the constitution and laws of the land. Some political bosses are protecting these two incompetent officers.
Indian states do not have organized professional police intelligence. The state intelligence branch, special branch and CID and SIT etc are not professional forces to cope with jihadi and terrorist challenges. The state police intelligence should have a comprehensible and adequately big force dedicated to intelligence tasks; they should be professionally trained and allowed to have longer tenure. At present the intelligence staffs are reshuffled between traffic, law & order, police station and other special arrangement duties. Intelligence generation requires longer nestling by officers handing a particular branch of activity. So far no state government has done this in a systematic manner.
As I said about the IB and the RAW, the state police forces and their intelligence units should also be made independent of political control and brought under statutory laws, making them accountable to an independent constitutional body. These recommendations have been made by many Police Commission Reports and the latest report submitted by Soli Sorabji Committee. The major states like Maharashtra, Gujarat and Rajasthan have not yet implemented the directives of the Supreme Court to bring about police reforms. Most political parties and leaders want to use the police as kitchen maids.
What can you expect from the kitchen maids of the politicians? Some curry is cooked well and most curries are spoiled. You have a choice; eat spoiled curries or force the kitchen maid to be professional.
Besides failing to secure the city Maharashtra police and its intelligence apparatus failed to arrange for proper protection of the vast cost lines. Marine policing and marine patrol exist in name. There is no protective police shield in the shallow waters and the innumerable minor ports, landing sited and creeks. In this vast unguarded border India stands totally exposed. The Coast Guard has limited capability. It cannot ply boats in very shallow waters and cannot afford to keep watch on more than 150,000- fishing and other vessels crisscrossing the Arabian Sea daily; among them many foreign owned fishing trawlers.
Our police forces do not have any record of the vessels operating in their areas of responsibility. They have very few fast moving patrolling vessels and these are not equipped with GPS and other sophisticated navigation systems. The coastal police do not have any low-coverage radar facility electronically connected to networks in neighbouring states. They do not have night vision binoculars and infrared firing target locator. With such colossal drawbacks it is very difficult to police, generate intelligence and intercept the intruders.
India stands naked in the vast western coastal-front.
There have been some debates if the government of India should militarily respond; carry out preemptory attacks against targets like Lashkar headquarter at Muridke and other terror training camps. I would not suggest military action, not as yet. I would not suggest drone attack on selected targets, not as yet. India is capable of staging a Munich or Entebbe as was done by Israel. However, India’s geopolitical situation is different. Such decision should not be taken without exhausting diplomatic miles, international pressure relay-races and geostrategic relocation of force alignments. War is fought to win; war is not for a stalemate and for merely inflicting some damages on the enemy. That conclusive state for winning a war has not yet come.
Moreover, by display of jingoistic belligerence India may not like to invite premature death for the fledgling democracy that has been allowed by the army to come to power. It is unlikely that this ramshackle democracy would strike permanent root. Democracy gives shivers to the Pakistani Establishment; yet we must respect the civil society of Pakistan, which by no means is involved with jihadi activities. Pakistan in army hand, that too in the hand of a former ISI chief, General Kiyani may not bring undiluted blessings. In fact, the Lashkar group trained for Mumbai operation started training over a year ago when Kiyani as ISI chief and Musharraf lorded over Pakistan. Who does not know that officers of Joint Intelligence Miscellaneous of the ISI were responsible for training this group? General Kiyani cannot be bathed in milk when the JIM was responsible for conceiving the operation in collaboration with the Lashkar-the official non-state player of the State of Pakistan.
Moreover, India must consider that nearly half of Pakistan is ruled by the Taliban, Al Qaeda and allied jihadi forces. Government writ runs only in limited areas. By Indian military intervention Pakistan can be weakened and pushed to the lap of the jihadis, but a Talibani Pakistan might set foot in India and poison our security ambience more than we are made to inhale now.
With these arrays of arguments and realities before us shall we just finish off by burning a few candles and gradually returning to the shell-Mumbai resilience is unparallel? Please do not stop with the candles, do not wipe the tears, do not wash the blood and do not draw a blanket on your memory. GET ANGRY AND KEEP THE FIRE BURNING. YOUR ANGER SHOULD NOT MELT DOWN LIKE THE CANDLE YOU HOLD. THE TRICOLOUR FLAUNTED BY YOUR CHILD SHOULD NOT BE TRAMPLED BY THE JIHADIS.
I am not advocating violence, I am not urging you take up arms. We have power to change the things-the political parties, their leadership, the police, intelligence and other segments of the bureaucracy without application of violence. We can change through ballot boxes; either by casting or refusing to cast our votes. Please remember we in India did not have a conclusive Revolution. A revolution of the peoples of India, as recorded in some history books by Congress party or communist historian and some Gandhi admirers would tell you the story of the Great Indian Revolution under India National Congress and Mahatma Gandhi that earned us freedom. Gandhi could not finish his revolution. It was hijacked either by violent mobs in 1942 or by his greedy junior colleagues. Practically after 1937 they had abandoned Gandhji. Please read again your history, written by independent minds and not by individual and family worshippers. You would understand why Gandhi failed.
Another person who dreamt revolution and accomplished to a great extent was Subhas Bose, the prodigal and abandoned child of India’s independence movement. Not only the British, the Indian communists and the Nehruite Congress were ready to fight him and his forces if he entered India with the Japanese. These two revolutions had shaken the British. But we received independence because an exhausted Britain wanted to escape from India as it had broken its spine in wars against Germany and Japan. Even in victory the British Lion lost its claws and teeth.
Let us have a revolution. There are several theories and debates how the French Revolution had come to change the course of human history. Thinkers like Edmund Burke, Thomas Carlyle, Louis Blanc, Albert Sorel etc differ vastly. But the Mother of all Revolutions came riding the shoulder of the people. The other great revolution of our times happened in America.
I request you to consider that we can bring this revolution through the use of our universal franchise-our election system, our constitution, our higher judiciary and the desire of our people to fight against internal systemic enemies in the form of stale political parties, chauvinistic regional leaders, caste barons and wholesale bribing of the electorate by astoundingly rich moneybags. Please have a look at the electoral rot we are in. This election system has degenerated to mafia war and money game. (Those who are interested to know the real character of our election may like to read We The People—A Story of Gangland Democracy authored by me. Hindi version coming soon. This is not an advertisement, this is a strong recommendation).
What can you achieve through your electoral power? Suppose we angry people minus the party loyalists boycott the next General Elections? What would happen? Can any party elected on only 10% of votes cast legally rule India, command the loyalty of the people and the Armed Forces? They cannot.
Would you invite the Army to rule? No, never. Army would be worse than present mafia ridden political structures.
Please adopt two weapons: the old one prescribed by Mahatma Gandhi to launch peaceful boycott of all elections, till the entire election laws are changed and constitutional and legal frameworks are devised to ensure that only “clean, involved and patriotic political leaders are allowed to contest elections.” Elimination of the mafia, criminals and known thieves among the politicians would not tantamount to violation of democracy. They should be treated as social and political outcasts. Participate in elections only when such conditions are restored.
In case of jihadi or terrorist attacks please do not let the politicians and the bureaucrats go scot-free. Launch peaceful Satyagraha till responsible officials, politicians and agencies are punished either through departmental or legal action.
Please launch mass hunger strike to protest against carnages like Mumbai attacks and do not compromise till the political leaders in the Centre and the States take responsibility, quit office and new ones, who can assure better security are ushered in. Democracy does not allow blatant violation of accountability. Accountability is the soul of democracy.
You have another potent weapon: mass refusal to pay certain taxes after formally notifying the President and the Chief Justice till the governments implement adequate measures to ensure security and safety of the people and devise ways and means to provide cutting edge capability to intelligence agencies to operate inside and outside the geographical border with sufficient State-backing.
Consider if you would force the political leadership to change governing ethos of the country and adopt prompt retaliatory policies like certain countries in the West have done to cope with the emerging terror attacks on their soil and against their citizen. If the rulers cannot protect they have no right to rule. They must go. And you can ensure that only through steeled determination, citizen’s cooperation, irrespective of your linguistic, religious, caste and other affiliations. Your unity can bring doom to the masters of the doomsday administration you are now being subjected to.
All these can be achieved peacefully, with very little or no violence on the part of the people. You can produce your own leaders. Do not wait for the moneybag fatties, caste lords and family worshippers; do not fall in the trap of religious propagandists and the Jurassic communists.
Please freeze your tears, please preserve those blood rivulets and steel your mind. Your determined non-cooperation and your sustained pressure alone can change the rotten imperial system of political and bureaucratic dispensation. Remember rupees 30 out of your hundred go to pay these politicians and bureaucrats. Why maintain these white elephants if they cannot protect you?
Your Anger is important, not for a violent revolution. But for uniting the people and fighting political and bureaucratic machines that has gone berserk. Instead of protecting you they are allowing the foreign aggressors to devour you.
You have two options: Violent resistance against a failing system like the Maoists are doing or the peaceful one that was abandoned by the Indians since Gandhi’s experiment with Quit India failed way back in 1942. Even in failure that was the globally hailed mechanism to fight. Remember one Mandela can change a people. One Black is US president today because another Black had taken the path of Gandhi. I suggest unite and opt for Gandhi’s mechanism. Make it successful this time.
Come join your hands and minds and cry: WE WANT CHANGE AND WANT IT NOW.
Do Not Wash This Blood; Do Not Wipe This Tear: Get Angry
Maloy K Dhar December 12, 2008
Tags: revolution , people , maoist , government , people , India , terrorism
This dissertation is not meant to inspire you to accumulate anger as a part of behavioral asset. Anger, in some form of application, is bad; medically, socially and morally. That anger is an animal instinct and is originated by obstruction to achieve desired object and lust, has been
stated even in the Holy Book-
Gita:
Dhyato Vishayan Pungsh Sangasteshupajayate,
Sangatsajjayate Kamah Kamatkrodhoabhijayate
Krodhatbhabati Sanmoha Sanmohatsmritibibhrama
Smritibhrangshad Buddhinashou Buddhinashatpranashayati (Second Chapter).
In simple English: Excessive lust and desire for any object generates infatuation in men, infatuation generates stronger desire; non-achievement generates anger; anger smog rational thinking; loss of rational thinking generates misguidance; misguided of judgment destroys men.
However, I beg to draw a line between the interpretations of the Holy Book and mundane but very important aspects those govern the affairs of a society and a Nation. This anger is not for saturating lust and fulfilling desire. This anger is more primordial- cave men wailing for total lack of safety form elemental hazards and approaching saber-toothed predator. You and all of us are being attacked by armed predators from inside and outside the country. Our constitutional protectors are emasculated and cannot defend us. They simply rob our resources; stack inside the country or in foreign accounts. They are above the law and we have no law and order coverage. The latest mercenary attack on Mumbai has proved the impotence of the omnipotent government and its governing tools. These are toothless robbing tigers.
You have wiped enough tears, you have washed enough blood. Stop wiping and washing. Stand up. Ask: how long this drama would continue? How long would we be asked to sacrifice?
For whom? The fat and corrupt politicians and the catty bureaucrats who bite away our resources in the name of fatter pay and parks packets? No more.
A time has come to get angry. It is no more enough for the media to tom-tom the virtue of the metro cities like Mumbai, eulogizing their infinite shrugging capability and sleep over the ghastly incidents taking toll of hundreds of lives and going about usual business and animalistic daily chores. A human community cannot be expected to graze in the grasslands of Kenya mindless of attacks by ferocious cats and two legged hunters. That is the basic difference between organised human society and pack of wild animals. It looks poetic and reads cathartic in electronic and print media to buy and swallow the bait that life moves on; dastard terror attack or not; corpses lying next door or not and the sleeping with the feeling: ‘I am ok, let the world go to hell.’ If our media cannot go on tomfooling the people by hyping the basic animal instinct in the animal called MAN.
Some tears can be wiped, some blood can be washed and life restarted. Indians are attuned to this routine for centuries, overcoming waves of invasion and carnages. Animals are better healed by time than medicine. Dawa se dua kabhi kabhi accha hota hain, as they say in Urdu-sometimes prayer is better than medicine. These clichés are parts of our lulling process, which we recite and go to sleep. After all, the animal must live and continue to survive.
However, we happen to live in a supposed organized Nation State whose business are run on the basis of freedom, liberty, equality, secularism and other noble concepts enshrined in the constitution. The basic test of existence of a State is its capability to protect the lives and properties of the citizen from internal and external disturbances, maintain order, move the people up to the path of progress and maintain integrity of the geopolitical entity and all other affairs of the Nation. These rights have been assured in the constitution.
For last 60 odd years we have faced disturbances arising out of internal fault lines in our communal divide, in the Northeast, Punjab, Kashmir and of course and the great fault line that is creating tectonic explosions in the Maosit movement affected areas. The entire country is in turmoil despite our pretensions that life goes on smooth like a placid river. The poetic description is misleading. Life flows on but often its course takes violent turns, changes course and brings miseries. That life can go out of rhythm totally has been proved by the escalating Maoist movement arising out of constant neglect of rural economy, agricultural community and other related problems.
I am not advocating the last course of action a group of citizen can take; rebel and create a civil war like situation. I am just evoking again the spirit of the song written by Pradip and immoratalised by Lata Mangeshkar after the 1962 China war debacle: please do not forget the sacrifices of the brave warriors of the country; remember them and keep the fire lighted.
This time, after the organised mercenary attack by a group of Pakistan based jihadists on Mumbai, in culmination of sporadic bomb attacks should not be forgotten. We should not go to sleep like a tried and vexed animal and wake up next morning and go hunting for livelihood, sex, amusement and procreation; look up the sinking sensex and wail over the rising prices of daily needs. We should try to be little better than basic animals.
For the first time a group of seaborne foreign mercenary raiders attacked a prime city of India, the supposed land of proud Marathas, revolutionaries and champions of progress. It is no jihadi/terrorist cell and module based attack. This is an attack by a proxy-foreign army with the backing of sections of Pakistani state apparatus. Those of you read the book or seen the movie Dogs of War by Frederick Forsythe and Guns of Navarone should realize with great shame that India is a Soft State and any enemy can get away with Kargil and Mumbai like adventures. This fluffy cotton-country reacts with limped limb-jerk and vomits political garbage in the form of lectures and lectures ad infinitum. Do we still look at the State as Gods beyond the clouds? The people have to decide; now or never.
Therefore, I request you do not go to bed by wiping the tear and washing the blood-Hindu, Muslim, Christian and Jewish blood. Please freeze the tear drops and the blood clots and ask in anger: where do we go from here and how do we go! Get angry, for the first and last time. Get angry not to desire money, woman, and power, not to destroy but to stabilize the systemic organs of the country and give yourselves a renewed system that works, invigorates and revitalise the tools of governances that are capable of protecting you and the country. This objective requires strong resolution and determination to reject what our corrupt, criminal and caste and greed ridden politicians say, reject all the excuses offered by the systemic tools and reject all the contorted arguments offered by the so-called intellectuals and analysts. They offer opinion because some of them are paid by vested interests and others write because the papers are to be filled up in black and white and the anchors have to fill in the air time. Listen to your heart; listen to cries of your children, wife and other near and dear ones. Listen to your inner urging and cry in anger: CHANGE THE SYSTEM, CHANGE THE GOVERNING TOOLS, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION, CHANGE THE LAWS, CHANGE THE CRIMINAL JURISPRUDENDEC SYSTEM AND DUMP THE POLITICIANS OF PRESENT VARIETY.
Come out and share the anger of the people and make the anger victorious.
Before you do so you should know what has gone wrong and how the enemy is able to hit our heart like we are a banana Caribbean island. Leave aside Kargil and other faux pas, the present mercenary jihadi attack on Mumbai is not new at all. It is an upgraded version of what has been going on in India in the name of Islamic terrorist attacks and Jihadi thrust. Besides severe blast incidents in 1993 that devastated Mumbai and attack on the Parliament in 2001 there have been several high intensity serial bomb blasts since 2003:
March 13, 2003 - Bomb attack on a commuter train in Mumbai kills 11 people.
August 25, 2003 - Two car bombs kill about 60 in Mumbai. Aug. 15, 2004 - A bomb explodes in the northeastern state of Assam, killing 16 people, mostly schoolchildren, and wounding dozens.
October 29, 2005 - Sixty-six people are killed when three blasts rip through markets in New Delhi.
March 7, 2006 - At least 15 people are killed and 60 wounded in three blasts in the northern Hindu pilgrimage city of Varanasi.
July 11, 2006 - More than 180 people are killed in seven bomb explosions at railway stations and on trains in Mumbai that are blamed on Islamist militants.
September 8, 2006 - At least 32 people are killed in a series of explosions, including one near a mosque, in Malegaon town, 260 km (160 miles) northeast of Mumbai.
Feb. 19, 2007 - Two bombs explode aboard a train heading from India to Pakistan; at least 66 passengers, most of them Pakistanis, burn to death.
May 18, 2007 - A bomb explodes during Friday prayers at a historic mosque in the southern city of Hyderabad, killing 11 worshippers. Police later shoot dead five people in clashes with hundreds of enraged Muslims who protest against the attack.
Aug. 25, 2007 - Three coordinated explosions at an amusement park and a street stall in Hyderabad kill at least 40 people.
May 13, 2008 - Seven bombs rip through the crowded streets of the western city of Jaipur, killing at least 63 people in markets and outside Hindu temples.
July 25 - Eight small bombs hit the IT city of Bangalore, killing at least one woman and wounding at least 15.
July 26 - At least 16 small bombs explode in Ahmedabad in the state of Gujarat, killing 45 people and wounding 161. A little-known group called the “Indian Mujahideen” claims responsibility for the attack and the May 13 attack in Jaipur.
Sept 13 - At least five bombs explode in crowded markets and streets in the heart of New Delhi, killing at least 18 people and injuring scores more. The Indian Mujahideen again claim responsibility.
Oct 30 - Eleven bomb blasts rip through Guwahati, the main city of northeastern Assam state. Detonated in quick succession, they kill at least 68 people and wound 335.
Nov 26 - At least 101 people are killed in Mumbai as an unidentified number of armed attackers shoot at and toss grenades into crowds at landmark hotels and buildings.
Nov 29 - Police finally end the siege at the iconic Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai. More than 155 people, including foreigners, were killed in militant attacks on two luxury hotels and landmarks across the city.
The statistics indicate that the foreign and internal jihadis who intend to reestablish Islamic hegemony over India as an extension of two decades old jihad in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh are escalating the degree of attack on India. This time it has come in the form of a daring mercenary attack. This is an up gradation of the war strategy- from proxy-war to direct war.
The readers have fair idea about the perpetrators. However, to concretise the presentation of facts so disjointedly catered by the media and innumerable official spokespersons a capsule description is given below. Lots have been written about the Lashkar-e-Toiba and the materials are available in several web pages. In short, Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad was founded in 1987 by Prof. Hafiz Moahmmad Saeed and Abdullah Azam, a Palestinian and the original preceptor of Osama bin Laden with monetary help of the later and support of the ISI. Out of this Markaz emerged Lashkar-e-Toiba in 1991 at Kunnur province in Afghanistan (some reports say Muzaffarabad) as the fighting arm of the Markaz, headquartered at Muridke, near Lahore (see map). Its dual purpose was to assist the Qaeda in Afghanistan and global jihad and to carry out ISI’s war against India in Kashmir.
Initially the Lashkar was partly trained in Afghanistan and Muridke and nearby forested area called Changa Manga. Later the major training camps were shifted to Muzaffarabad, Thakot and Mansehra (see map). Your mercenary invaders were trained by a former ISI and army officer of Pakistan for over one year at Thakot camp (name not revealed for security reasons).
Lashkar camps at Thakot, Muzaffarabad and Mansehra in POK
Lashkar camps at Thakot, Muzaffarabad and Mansehra in POK
Initial recruitment was made from Punjab and out of that 25 young men were selected to undergo rigourous training. After brainwashing at Muridke the team was sent to Thakot for intensive training and every aspect of the training was supervised by the ISI cover officers.
After Muridke and Thakot training the group of 20 was sent to Karachi for undergoing naval-training under supervision of the Musa Company of the Special Services Group (SSG) of Pakistan Army (Musharraf was in command earlier) . The Musa Company is something like MARCOS unit of the Indian Navy. After intensive training in navigation, rough weather sailing and other aspects of naval maneuver the group was equipped to the teeth with GPS, Sat Phone, explosives, arms and ammunition and of course they were acquainted with detailed aspects of the targets of attack by using video materials. The video materials, it is now known, were made by cohorts of Dawood Ibrahim who also helped the boys by providing false identity papers. The identity papers were meant to give Pakistan a solid ground for deniability-to tell India bluntly that the raid was done by Indian Muslims or better Hindu terrorists. Some identity papers and SIM cards were obtained by HUJI and SIMI activists in Calcutta and West Bengal district towns. This hoax was fortified by sending mails in the name of Deccan Mujahideen prom a Pakistani proxy server. Some media agents of the ISI in India and abroad also floated the story that the attack was mounted by Israeli Mossad and India intelligence. Have a look at various Islamist web pages, which are carrying the garnished story in all conceivable manners to impress vulnerable Indian Muslims that the great raid was by their own brethren. Sniff around and you would hear the hushed mouth to mouth propaganda that the heinous crime was perpetrated by the Hindu government to malign the Muslims. What do you do with such congenital Goebbels?
The mercenaries took a well planned route starting from the capital town of POK via Muridke, Karachi>Porbandar> Mumbai. I illustrate the route for your benefit:
Muzaffarabad to Mumbai
Muzaffarabad to Mumbai
Approximate Landing route
Approximate Landing route
It would be clear that such a daring international transgression could not be performed by a terrorist group without state players of Pakistan. Rest of the stories about hijacking of a Gujarati fishing vessel or betrayal by a Gujarati fisherman earlier won over by the ISI while in Pakistani jail, would unfold during investigation. Let the police and intelligence carry out the postmortem as they usually do and let us proceed with resolved anger to examine other important aspects of this mini-Kargil on Mumbai.
To remind you and to strengthen your resolve a photo of the area of occupation by the mercenaries is given below:
Area of Operation by the Mercenaries (courtesy BBC)
Area of Operation by the Mercenaries (courtesy BBC)
Many opinions have been expressed by multi-mouthed government agencies and more are yet to come. Readers may notice the similarity between Mumbai attack and 9/11 attack on the USA. Mumbai operation was launched from Karachi but was planned in Islamabad and the US attack was launched from Pakistan and Afghanistan bases of the Al Qaeda and the ISI. The footprints of Al Qaeda techniques in Mumbai operation can be easily detected by discerning eyes. It may be remembered that the LeT is intricately linked to the ISI, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Exchange of technology is a common feature.
The other players are:
a) Dawood Ibrahim and his mafia associates in Mumbai,
b) SIMI/IM assistance from Hyderabad, Bangalore and Mumbai.
c) HUJI helpers in Bangladesh and bordering areas of Murshidabad and Malda districts of West Bengal.
Dawood helped the ISI by supplying ground survey reports, facilitating intimate knowledge of the hotels and other targets. Very few people in Mumbai itself know that there is a Jewish centre at Nariman House. The facilitators of the IM helped with identity cards etc and HUJI facilitators helped in obtaining SIM cards and false certificates to help the ISI to spin the story that the attack was mounted by Indian Muslims (Deccan Mujahideen). These preparations were done months ahead of the attack and the ISI and the LeT were equipped with all the alibis.
The name Deccan Mujahideen has been used deliberately as the separatist Muslims always insisted on creation of Osmanistan with the former princely state of Hyderabad as nucleus. Hyderabad and Bangalore have other live links to this attack. Abu Hamza and Sahabuddin Ahmed linked to IISC, Bangalore attack and Syyid Vicar Ali of Hyderabad Mecca Masjid incident are suspected as main southern helpers of the ISI and the Lashkar. The myth of Deccan Mujahideen has been woven around these separatists from southern India.
Intelligence agencies are aware that Joint Intelligence Miscellaneous of the ISI and one of its important operatives Col. Mehmood Hassan has been responsible for most of the planned attacks in Indian mainland. The US 9/11 attack was assisted by the ISI (former DG ISI Mahmood Ahmad) and this time around also the ISI core is involved in the planning. Forward roles may have been played by Kafa and Zaki ur Rahman Lakhwi, Kashmir in charge of Lashkar operations.
Like the US operation the Mumbai attack was also planned and prepared for over one year. This is no ordinary terrorist attack. It is a seaborne mercenary attack like the Guns of Navarone where a British team was sent to cross occupied Greek territory and destroy the massive German gun emplacement that commanded a key sea channel. I should say with a tinge of sadness that Indian intelligence agencies also had failed to stretch their imagination that Pakistan could resort to such mercenary attack. Anticipation is half of the intelligence scheme and blue print on which the agencies build up real operations bases. How surprising that even the IB has run out of anticipation and imagination! Or have they joined the rut procession?
The Lashkar chief has denied any involvement of his organization in the Mumbai incident. The Pakistani president initially reacted with positive signals but retracted after the real owners of Pakistan-the Mullahs, Army and the ISI pressed his government to behave or get punished like his wife Benazir. Elected or nominated, no head of state or prime minister in Pakistan can renege against the real owners of Pakistan. That president Zardai is more fragile than a sand castle has now been amply proved. He has to recite the script prepared by General Kiyani and General Nadim Taj, the ISI chief or fall to bullets as his wife Benazir did.
What went wrong in India? It is necessary to know to strengthen your anger and your determination to take the fight to the core of the rotting political and bureaucratic system that operates our constitution and the governing tools.
The RAW is supposed to keep track of inimical activities beyond our borders. They are paid from your money to keep track of jihadi and terrorists organizations abroad that are regularly punishing you, simply because you are Indians. Colossal failure on the part of the RAW to generate real-time Human Intelligence has become a pain in the neck. Their reporting is sketchy, irregular and there is hardly any advance input to help the internal agencies to prevent jihadi attacks. The Intelligence Bureau has very limited access to the Islaimist organizations for combination of reasons that cannot be overcome without drastic changes in our governing attitude. The boorish policy of vote-bank secularism hinders the intelligence and security agencies. Intelligence is supposed to access a place where death even cannot enter. They have failed in their endeavours. They are also answerable to the country.
Fortunately this time around the RAW had an electronic input to indicate that a group of jihadis are likely to mount seaborne attack on Mumbai and one of the targets was Taj Hotel. Regarding Taj the IB also had sent warning to the state government and other agencies. What did the RAW do after the electronic input was received? Had they activated their assets in Karachi? Do they have any real-time asset in that area? If so, why did they fail to follow up the information?
The IB had also not followed up the information in its entire ramification covering coastal areas, mafia linkages and indigenous jihadis. Why? How long would they take shelter behind the veil of secrecy? IB is supposed to work out most ground details in cooperation with the state intelligence and police. Mere intelligence sharing does not qualify IB to retire for the day. Well known for its operational edges the IB should be able to follow up smallest lead on the ground. The ideal reporting format includes: i) intelligence statement (real input); ii) intelligence assessment (what is the real threat according to agency’s assessment); iii) intelligence implication (what can be real ground ramifications) and the likely follow up action by the reporting agency.
I am sorry to say that the two major central intelligence agencies of India do not follow this format followed by countries like the USA. It was imperative on the part of the RAW to follow up the initial input and feed further information. In case IB was aware of this RAW input it should have activated ground units to follow up. Why the Maharashtra unit of the IB failed to follow up? Mumbai has a strong unit. Why did it goof up? Why should these officers not be punished?
The mother agencies cannot wash away conscience and justify existence by merely claiming that they had catered some information. However, I do not endorse the half-baked views expressed by the Navy Chief. The Navy and the Coast Guard have a lot of questions to answer. Fortunately for them in India even after a Kargil the chiefs of intelligence agencies are rewarded with gubernatorial posts. Long live the indestructible Baboos!
However, as far as the IB is concerned there are severe limitations. IB requires minimum 100% increase in manpower and other resources. Our political class finds black money to loot but do not find legal money to spend for the security of the country, in spite of repeated threat from the neighbouring countries.
How long the people would tolerate? Why should not the people decide to dismantle this rotten system? Over last twenty years minimum 20 announcements were made to increase the capability of the IB. Precious little has been done and there is no constitutional author to take stock of the appalling condition of the IB as there is no Act of the Parliament to regulate the body and there is no accountability system. IB is a house maid of the PM and the Home Minister. Our politicians of all sheds have refused to add spine, morale and efficiency of the IB.
It is better less said about the RAW; an organization allegedly for Relatives and Associates’ Welfare. Since our people are not empowered to look into the functioning of these two agencies thorough their Parliamentary Overseeing Committee, the agencies tend to save their skins by taking shelter behind the indulgent politicians. It is high time the country wakes up and asks these questions. Please wake up, get angry and ask and force your political parties through your electoral power to attend to these important aspects of national security.
The state government (police and intelligence) did precious little to work out the ground details of the input. They were busy with tomfooling with the publicity glare of detecting Hindu Terrorism. The SIT, a virtual leaking can, was leaking information by the minutes. Before the State Assembly elections it was imperative for them to prove that Hindu Terrorism was as devastating for the country as the Muslim terrorism was.
In simple words the DG police Maharashtra and Commissioner of Police should have been sent home along with the Home and Chief Minister. These servants of the people are still merrily basking in the glory of post-attack glare, when they should have been in the dust bin. This happens because in India accountability is with the political master and not to the constitution and laws of the land. Some political bosses are protecting these two incompetent officers.
Indian states do not have organized professional police intelligence. The state intelligence branch, special branch and CID and SIT etc are not professional forces to cope with jihadi and terrorist challenges. The state police intelligence should have a comprehensible and adequately big force dedicated to intelligence tasks; they should be professionally trained and allowed to have longer tenure. At present the intelligence staffs are reshuffled between traffic, law & order, police station and other special arrangement duties. Intelligence generation requires longer nestling by officers handing a particular branch of activity. So far no state government has done this in a systematic manner.
As I said about the IB and the RAW, the state police forces and their intelligence units should also be made independent of political control and brought under statutory laws, making them accountable to an independent constitutional body. These recommendations have been made by many Police Commission Reports and the latest report submitted by Soli Sorabji Committee. The major states like Maharashtra, Gujarat and Rajasthan have not yet implemented the directives of the Supreme Court to bring about police reforms. Most political parties and leaders want to use the police as kitchen maids.
What can you expect from the kitchen maids of the politicians? Some curry is cooked well and most curries are spoiled. You have a choice; eat spoiled curries or force the kitchen maid to be professional.
Besides failing to secure the city Maharashtra police and its intelligence apparatus failed to arrange for proper protection of the vast cost lines. Marine policing and marine patrol exist in name. There is no protective police shield in the shallow waters and the innumerable minor ports, landing sited and creeks. In this vast unguarded border India stands totally exposed. The Coast Guard has limited capability. It cannot ply boats in very shallow waters and cannot afford to keep watch on more than 150,000- fishing and other vessels crisscrossing the Arabian Sea daily; among them many foreign owned fishing trawlers.
Our police forces do not have any record of the vessels operating in their areas of responsibility. They have very few fast moving patrolling vessels and these are not equipped with GPS and other sophisticated navigation systems. The coastal police do not have any low-coverage radar facility electronically connected to networks in neighbouring states. They do not have night vision binoculars and infrared firing target locator. With such colossal drawbacks it is very difficult to police, generate intelligence and intercept the intruders.
India stands naked in the vast western coastal-front.
There have been some debates if the government of India should militarily respond; carry out preemptory attacks against targets like Lashkar headquarter at Muridke and other terror training camps. I would not suggest military action, not as yet. I would not suggest drone attack on selected targets, not as yet. India is capable of staging a Munich or Entebbe as was done by Israel. However, India’s geopolitical situation is different. Such decision should not be taken without exhausting diplomatic miles, international pressure relay-races and geostrategic relocation of force alignments. War is fought to win; war is not for a stalemate and for merely inflicting some damages on the enemy. That conclusive state for winning a war has not yet come.
Moreover, by display of jingoistic belligerence India may not like to invite premature death for the fledgling democracy that has been allowed by the army to come to power. It is unlikely that this ramshackle democracy would strike permanent root. Democracy gives shivers to the Pakistani Establishment; yet we must respect the civil society of Pakistan, which by no means is involved with jihadi activities. Pakistan in army hand, that too in the hand of a former ISI chief, General Kiyani may not bring undiluted blessings. In fact, the Lashkar group trained for Mumbai operation started training over a year ago when Kiyani as ISI chief and Musharraf lorded over Pakistan. Who does not know that officers of Joint Intelligence Miscellaneous of the ISI were responsible for training this group? General Kiyani cannot be bathed in milk when the JIM was responsible for conceiving the operation in collaboration with the Lashkar-the official non-state player of the State of Pakistan.
Moreover, India must consider that nearly half of Pakistan is ruled by the Taliban, Al Qaeda and allied jihadi forces. Government writ runs only in limited areas. By Indian military intervention Pakistan can be weakened and pushed to the lap of the jihadis, but a Talibani Pakistan might set foot in India and poison our security ambience more than we are made to inhale now.
With these arrays of arguments and realities before us shall we just finish off by burning a few candles and gradually returning to the shell-Mumbai resilience is unparallel? Please do not stop with the candles, do not wipe the tears, do not wash the blood and do not draw a blanket on your memory. GET ANGRY AND KEEP THE FIRE BURNING. YOUR ANGER SHOULD NOT MELT DOWN LIKE THE CANDLE YOU HOLD. THE TRICOLOUR FLAUNTED BY YOUR CHILD SHOULD NOT BE TRAMPLED BY THE JIHADIS.
I am not advocating violence, I am not urging you take up arms. We have power to change the things-the political parties, their leadership, the police, intelligence and other segments of the bureaucracy without application of violence. We can change through ballot boxes; either by casting or refusing to cast our votes. Please remember we in India did not have a conclusive Revolution. A revolution of the peoples of India, as recorded in some history books by Congress party or communist historian and some Gandhi admirers would tell you the story of the Great Indian Revolution under India National Congress and Mahatma Gandhi that earned us freedom. Gandhi could not finish his revolution. It was hijacked either by violent mobs in 1942 or by his greedy junior colleagues. Practically after 1937 they had abandoned Gandhji. Please read again your history, written by independent minds and not by individual and family worshippers. You would understand why Gandhi failed.
Another person who dreamt revolution and accomplished to a great extent was Subhas Bose, the prodigal and abandoned child of India’s independence movement. Not only the British, the Indian communists and the Nehruite Congress were ready to fight him and his forces if he entered India with the Japanese. These two revolutions had shaken the British. But we received independence because an exhausted Britain wanted to escape from India as it had broken its spine in wars against Germany and Japan. Even in victory the British Lion lost its claws and teeth.
Let us have a revolution. There are several theories and debates how the French Revolution had come to change the course of human history. Thinkers like Edmund Burke, Thomas Carlyle, Louis Blanc, Albert Sorel etc differ vastly. But the Mother of all Revolutions came riding the shoulder of the people. The other great revolution of our times happened in America.
I request you to consider that we can bring this revolution through the use of our universal franchise-our election system, our constitution, our higher judiciary and the desire of our people to fight against internal systemic enemies in the form of stale political parties, chauvinistic regional leaders, caste barons and wholesale bribing of the electorate by astoundingly rich moneybags. Please have a look at the electoral rot we are in. This election system has degenerated to mafia war and money game. (Those who are interested to know the real character of our election may like to read We The People—A Story of Gangland Democracy authored by me. Hindi version coming soon. This is not an advertisement, this is a strong recommendation).
What can you achieve through your electoral power? Suppose we angry people minus the party loyalists boycott the next General Elections? What would happen? Can any party elected on only 10% of votes cast legally rule India, command the loyalty of the people and the Armed Forces? They cannot.
Would you invite the Army to rule? No, never. Army would be worse than present mafia ridden political structures.
Please adopt two weapons: the old one prescribed by Mahatma Gandhi to launch peaceful boycott of all elections, till the entire election laws are changed and constitutional and legal frameworks are devised to ensure that only “clean, involved and patriotic political leaders are allowed to contest elections.” Elimination of the mafia, criminals and known thieves among the politicians would not tantamount to violation of democracy. They should be treated as social and political outcasts. Participate in elections only when such conditions are restored.
In case of jihadi or terrorist attacks please do not let the politicians and the bureaucrats go scot-free. Launch peaceful Satyagraha till responsible officials, politicians and agencies are punished either through departmental or legal action.
Please launch mass hunger strike to protest against carnages like Mumbai attacks and do not compromise till the political leaders in the Centre and the States take responsibility, quit office and new ones, who can assure better security are ushered in. Democracy does not allow blatant violation of accountability. Accountability is the soul of democracy.
You have another potent weapon: mass refusal to pay certain taxes after formally notifying the President and the Chief Justice till the governments implement adequate measures to ensure security and safety of the people and devise ways and means to provide cutting edge capability to intelligence agencies to operate inside and outside the geographical border with sufficient State-backing.
Consider if you would force the political leadership to change governing ethos of the country and adopt prompt retaliatory policies like certain countries in the West have done to cope with the emerging terror attacks on their soil and against their citizen. If the rulers cannot protect they have no right to rule. They must go. And you can ensure that only through steeled determination, citizen’s cooperation, irrespective of your linguistic, religious, caste and other affiliations. Your unity can bring doom to the masters of the doomsday administration you are now being subjected to.
All these can be achieved peacefully, with very little or no violence on the part of the people. You can produce your own leaders. Do not wait for the moneybag fatties, caste lords and family worshippers; do not fall in the trap of religious propagandists and the Jurassic communists.
Please freeze your tears, please preserve those blood rivulets and steel your mind. Your determined non-cooperation and your sustained pressure alone can change the rotten imperial system of political and bureaucratic dispensation. Remember rupees 30 out of your hundred go to pay these politicians and bureaucrats. Why maintain these white elephants if they cannot protect you?
Your Anger is important, not for a violent revolution. But for uniting the people and fighting political and bureaucratic machines that has gone berserk. Instead of protecting you they are allowing the foreign aggressors to devour you.
You have two options: Violent resistance against a failing system like the Maoists are doing or the peaceful one that was abandoned by the Indians since Gandhi’s experiment with Quit India failed way back in 1942. Even in failure that was the globally hailed mechanism to fight. Remember one Mandela can change a people. One Black is US president today because another Black had taken the path of Gandhi. I suggest unite and opt for Gandhi’s mechanism. Make it successful this time.
Come join your hands and minds and cry: WE WANT CHANGE AND WANT IT NOW.
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Nato hard at work making deals to beat the Khyber Pass convoy trap
Jeremy Page, South Asia Correspondent
December 13, 2008
Nato hard at work making deals to beat the Khyber Pass convoy trap
Jeremy Page, South Asia Correspondent
December 13, 2008
AOTNato plans to open a new supply route to Afghanistan through Russia and Central Asia in the next eight weeks following a spate of attacks on its main lifeline through Pakistan this year, Nato and Russian sources have told The Times.
Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, the former Soviet Central Asian states that lie between Russia and Afghanistan, have agreed in principle to the railway route and are working out the small print with Nato, the sources said.
“It'll be weeks rather than months,” said one Nato official. “Two months max.”
The “Northern Corridor” is expected to be discussed at an informal meeting next week between Dmitri Rogozin, Russia's ambassador to Nato, and Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, Nato's Secretary-General.
The breakthrough reflects Nato and US commanders' growing concern about the attacks on their main supply line, which runs from the Pakistani port of Karachi via the Khyber Pass to Kabul and brings in 70 per cent of their supplies. The rest is either driven from Karachi via the border town of Chaman to southern Afghanistan - the Taleban's heartland - or flown in at enormous expense in transport planes that are in short supply.
“We're all increasingly concerned,” Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters on Wednesday. “But in that concern, we've worked pretty hard to develop options.”
The opening of the Northern Corridor also mirrors a gradual thaw in relations between Moscow and Nato, which plunged to their lowest level since the end of the Cold War after Russia's brief war with Georgia in August.
However, Nato and the United States are simultaneously in talks on opening a third supply route through the secretive Central Asian state of Turkmenistan to prevent Russia from gaining a stranglehold on supplies to Afghanistan, the sources said. Non-lethal supplies, including fuel, would be shipped across the Black Sea to Georgia, driven to neighbouring Azerbaijan, shipped across the Caspian Sea to Turkmenistan and then driven to the Afghan border.
The week-long journey along this “central route” would be longer and more expensive than those through Pakistan or Russia and would leave supplies vulnerable to political volatility in the Caucasus and Turkmenistan.
The US and Nato are, though, exploring as many alternatives as possible as America prepares to deploy 20,000 more troops - three quarters of them by the summer - to add to the 67,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan. Turkmenistan represents the only realistic alternative that bypasses Russia. A route through Iran is out of the question because Washington does not have diplomatic relations with Tehran. Afghanistan's border with China is too remote to be used.
An agreement with Georgia has already been signed and negotiations with Azerbaijan are “ongoing”, a Nato official said.
Nato began exploring alternative supply routes in response to political instability in Pakistan last year and reached an informal agreement with Russia on the Northern Corridor at a Nato summit in Bucharest in April. At the same meeting President Berdymukhammedov of Turkmenistan offered to allow Nato to take supplies across its territory and to establish logistics bases there, according to Nato sources.
Negotiations stalled after the Georgian crisis, as Nato suspended high-level contacts with Moscow and Central Asian countries grew wary of angering the former Soviet master.
They have since shown their independence by refusing to back Moscow's recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states.
Russia, meanwhile, has been offering preferential treatment to Nato members that it considers “friendly”, such as France and Germany, the only Nato members allowed to fly supplies to Afghanistan through Russian airspace. In November Germany also became the first Nato member allowed to bring supplies for Afghanistan through Russia by railway.
Russian officials say that Moscow is ready to open the Northern Corridor to all Nato members as soon as the alliance finalises its agreements with Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. The agreements cover non-military supplies such as fuel, food and clothing, and some non-lethal military equipment.
“All Nato countries will be able to use the Northern Corridor,” one Russian official familiar with the negotiations told The Times. “As far as we understand, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have agreed to it and sent the relevant papers to Brussels. We're just waiting for Nato to sign the agreements. We've done our part.”
BORDER WOES
A spate of attacks by Pakistani militants on supply convoys to Nato and US forces has caused backlogs and border closures (Jeremy Page writes). More than 1,000 trucks are stalled on the Afghan border and haulage costs are up by almost 70 per cent.Pakistani authorities have closed the border at Torkham, near the Khyber Pass, after militants set fire to at least 260 vehicles, including American Humvees, last weekend and attacked two cargo terminals in Peshawar on Thursday.
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Very good article. This anger needs to be sustained for 6 months and we can show the congress the cost of inaction. Like the article say, a calculated, calm approach to force the politicians to act is needed. We need to get more Indians to understand the dangers of ignoring the chalta-hai attitude of the politicians. Citizens in India have lost hope so they find ways to convince themselves the politicians are doing something. They are not. They will not until we force them. No politician in any country fixes anything until it affect his votes. Make the politicians feel the heat of public anger. Don't think one voice doesn't matter. Your expression of anger will encourage others to come out of denial. Once a benchmark is set, no govt can ignore paki terror. They will have act strong like the previous administration.
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Do Not Wash This Blood; Do Not Wipe This Tear: Get Angry
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No. Those idiots may be of some use. They should be manipulated to show everyone that we are civilized and gave him due process. Do chai biskoot with the pig, let him write to the paki high commission, send pictures to his ammi, urge the paki high commission to take back the bodies. Let him wail why paki sarkari army aphsars misled him and trained him, give out press conferences. A fair trial and then sentence him to death.krishnan wrote:The entire social organization should be lined up and shot at
Also give international accolades and accolades in our media to paki media who expose the "deception" of the paki administration, how "sham" the house arrest and the ban is. Invite all the editors and journalists who write such articles over, wine and dine them. Give them award for "brave" reportage. The paki media idiots may be of some use too.
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Guys does anyone have a complete list(or link) of people killed in 26/11?
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Not only all those who were involved from and within Pakistan must be brought to justice including some ISI agents but also victims must be paid a huge sum of money in compensation - at least Pakistan government should hold responsible for paying such money to the victims such as the orphan of the Jewish family, all those families left without husband in the CSI firing and in other areas should be compensated heavily (half a billion dollar and higher) though the lives of the people cannot be equated with this money. otherwise Indian government should pass a resolution in the parliament declaring Pakistan as a terror supporting state. Then ultimately the other governments would follow the suit sooner.
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I am a victim onlee cries Mr 10 % in the news week.
Posting the interview here, if some one wants to read it:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/174277/output/print
Posting the interview here, if some one wants to read it:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/174277/output/print
Zardari: 'I Am a Victim Here'
Pakistan's president speaks out on Mumbai, terrorism and the ISI.
Lally Weymouth
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Dec 22, 2008
President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan is in the hot seat. Under pressure from the international community, he ordered police last week to crack down on Jamaat-ul-Dawa, a charity thought to be the public front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani terrorist group that India blames for the Thanksgiving attacks in Mumbai. President Zardari spoke with NEWSWEEK's Lally Weymouth just before the Jamaat arrests. Excerpts:
Weymouth: It has been reported that Pakistan ' s Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI] agency had links with Lashkar-e-Taiba [LeT] and that it shared intelligence with LeT on Kashmir. Do you believe that to be true?
Zardari: We are talking about an age-old situation. This is something [that happened] in the old days when dictators used to run the country. Maybe before 9/11, that may have been a position. [But] since then, things have changed to a great extent.
It is said that Lashkar is operating with the help of ISI now, not in the past.
There is no supportive interaction with our intelligence [agencies] and the LeT. Lashkar-e-Taiba happens to be a banned organization in Pakistan.
I remember how you and [your late wife] Benazir Bhutto felt about the ISI — and blamed it for causing many of your problems after she left her post as prime minister.
Yes, we've always maintained a certain position that the intelligence agencies [should] have nothing to do with politics. Since I have been in government, we've had a stated position that ISI has no political role anymore.
The problem is that long before you came to office, Lashkar-e-Taiba was used in Kashmir by the Pakistani Army to fight India.
That may have been the situation then, but things have changed. Lashkar-e-Taiba has been banned. Of course, these nonstate actors keep re-emerging in different forms. Whenever there is actionable intelligence, we move in before anyone else does.
I thought Secretary [of State Condoleezza] Rice demanded that you do something about the Mumbai bombing. Did she ask you to arrest some people?
She is a friend and she knows Pakistan is a responsible state, and the Americans and the British know how much my government has done for this operation … against the terrorists since we've been in government.
What do you think about the Mumbai attack?
I think it is horrific.
Reportedly, all of the terrorists were trained in Pakistan.
I don't have any specific information to that effect because the Indians have given us very little information. I have offered to the Indians that we will do a joint investigation into this Mumbai incident and if it leads anywhere, we will take action.
If the terrorists … were trained in Pakistan, don ' t you have to do something?
Definitely. Not for them, it's for myself … The Indians must understand that the government [of Pakistan] and the people of Pakistan are net losers of the situation. We had put in a lot of effort … to make good relations with India.
Allegedly, Rice asked you to arrest a former ISI chief, Gen. Hamid Gul. There have been stories that Gul is tied up with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. I remember Benazir talking about how bad Gul was.
Hamid Gul is an actor who is definitely not in our good books. Hamid Gul is somebody who was never appreciated by our government. She [Rice] did not go into specifics, if I may share that with you …
He has not been accused in the Mumbai incident … I think he is more of a political ideologue of terror rather than a physical supporter.
What do you need in order to move faster? Do you need real-time intelligence?
Of course. For instance, a lot of people are [saying] that they knew about this attack. I've heard that the Russians told the Indians, but I wish the Russians had also shared it with us.
The Indians are asking you to send them people to bring to justice, right?
[We] don't have that kind of relationship yet. America and Pakistan have hardly gotten to the position where we can interact and exchange information.
So you will not send anyone to India?
No, that is a decision to be made by the Parliament and not by the president.
Do you control Pakistan or does the Army control Pakistan?
Democracy controls Pakistan … All the players today understand that democracy is the only way.
So if you say there will be no first strike against India — as you did — will the Army listen to you?
Of course. It goes without saying.
Do you think India has a problem with its own Muslims? Were Indian Muslims involved [in the Mumbai attacks]?
I am not pointing fingers as I want to improve my relations with India … I want to be a friend of India and a friend of the world and [a foe of terrorism] because I am a victim myself.
There is always room for improvement on every side. There is room for the world to help me with the present situation in Pakistan, where poverty is a friend of the terrorists. I need to become economically better so I can employ these youths that [the terrorists] are employing.
U.S. intelligence reportedly has evidence of ISI ' s involvement in the [July] bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul. Is it true?
No, we have not had that intimation from the Americans. I totally deny that. We had nothing to do with the Kabul bombing. Again, these are nonstate actors.
Are you going to take any concrete steps to crack down on the Lashkar-e-Taiba?
Things have been done. One step is we have started combing the whole region for all nonstate actors and we have made certain arrests.
Do you think you can shut the LeT down?
We will not allow anybody to have the capability to perform such acts.
Or to train on Pakistani soil?
Nobody will be allowed to use Pakistan soil for any form of aggression toward any friend or foe.
Secretary Rice said that nonstate actors on your soil are still your responsibility.
Yes, definitely. I do not shrug away from that position. Anybody from my soil is my responsibility.
Over and over before, Pakistani leaders said they would do something about Lashkar and they never did.
That is not us.
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Praveen wrote:Guys does anyone have a complete list(or link) of people killed in 26/11?
praveeen, Mumbai Mirror site has the body count at all the places by not the names.
Keep up the good work.
ramana
I wish we had a roll of honor thread for the Mumbai dead.
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the only solution to this BS pakistan problem of who is in charge and this and that while the entire country cackle in glee over terror in india is to destroy them and be done with it
find out where nukes are and take them out with strike, hopefully US will do it since india will never lift a finger to defend itself
after that a few WW2 style carpetbombing raid on lahore and islamabad should be enough
catch hold of zaid hamid and all LET neck and make them clean pigshit and build roads and act as labor for rest of their lives
pak should be hit so hard again and again that they turn into 100x pacifist over the next century and shiver in their bed at thought of india/hindu/sikhs/jews
find out where nukes are and take them out with strike, hopefully US will do it since india will never lift a finger to defend itself
after that a few WW2 style carpetbombing raid on lahore and islamabad should be enough
catch hold of zaid hamid and all LET neck and make them clean pigshit and build roads and act as labor for rest of their lives
pak should be hit so hard again and again that they turn into 100x pacifist over the next century and shiver in their bed at thought of india/hindu/sikhs/jews
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Bollywood has been unmasked. It is indeed heartening to know there are a few like Sonu Nigam who still care for the country. The bulk are of course either men who have been threatened or paid off by Dawood mafia into submission or third rate whores who visit Dubai to provide 'special services' to the gangland goons in exchange for roles in movies. When no wants to pay for them anymore they discover virtues of 'family', marry some stupid industrialist or rich guy and 'settle down'
It is our fault that we have allowed these scums to become larger than life, make money by the billions, using that $$$ to purchase yet another unproductive waste of time on which Indians spend disproportionate amounts their time and energies on -cricket. We worship them day in and day out and allow them to walk into every sphere of life assuming anything they say will be ok because they are filmi wallahs.
Their liberal facade is just that - a facade to conceal their anti-national and criminal pasts and present. And the complete bankruptcy of their culture.
It is our fault that we have allowed these scums to become larger than life, make money by the billions, using that $$$ to purchase yet another unproductive waste of time on which Indians spend disproportionate amounts their time and energies on -cricket. We worship them day in and day out and allow them to walk into every sphere of life assuming anything they say will be ok because they are filmi wallahs.
Their liberal facade is just that - a facade to conceal their anti-national and criminal pasts and present. And the complete bankruptcy of their culture.
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I wonder why netas have not already demanded compensation from pakis? Hopefully some legal type in Mumbai takes it upon himself/herself. Every single lever must be employed ruthlessly. For certain, the pakis would do it without missing a beat if Indians killed pakis in pakiland. Heck they are demanding payment for a weak flow of water from India! If we are too meek to do it, by all means encourage the Israelis, who extracted billions from Germany.joshvajohn wrote:Not only all those who were involved from and within Pakistan must be brought to justice including some ISI agents but also victims must be paid a huge sum of money in compensation
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Still asleep after Mumbai
By DANIEL PIPES
Victims caught in terrorist atrocities perpetrated for Islam typically experience fear, torture, horror and murder, with sirens screaming, snipers positioning and carnage in the streets. That was the case recently in Bombay (now called Mumbai), where some 195 people were murdered and 300 wounded. But for the real target of Islamist terror - the world at large - the experience has become numbed, with apologetics and justification muting repulsion and shock.
If terrorism ranks among the cruelest and most inhumane forms of warfare, excruciating in its small-bore viciousness and intentional pain, Islamist terrorism has also become well-rehearsed political theater. Actors fulfill their scripted roles, then shuffle, soon forgotten, off the stage.
Indeed, as one reflects on the most publicized episodes of Islamist terror against Westerners since 9/11 - the attack on Australians in Bali, on Spaniards in Madrid, on Russians in Beslan, on Britons in London - a twofold pattern emerges: Muslim exultation and Western denial. The same tragedy replays itself, with only names changed.
Muslim exaltation: The Mumbai assault inspired occasional condemnations, hushed official regrets and cornucopias of unofficial enthusiasm. As the Israel Intelligence Heritage and Commemoration Center notes, the Iranian and Syrian governments exploited the event "to assail the United States, Israel and the Zionist movement, and to represent them as responsible for terrorism in India and the world in general." Al-Jazeera's Web site overflowed with comments such as "Allah, grant victory to Muslims. Allah, grant victory to jihad" and "The killing of a Jewish rabbi and his wife in the Jewish center in Mumbai is heartwarming news."
SUCH SUPREMACISM and bigotry can no longer surprise, given the well-documented, world-wide acceptance of terror among many Muslims. For example, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press conducted an attitudinal survey in spring 2006, "The Great Divide: How Westerners and Muslims View Each Other." Its polls of about 1,000 people in each of 10 Muslim populations found a perilously high proportion of Muslims who, on occasion, justify suicide bombing: 13 percent in Germany, 22% in Pakistan, 26% in Turkey and 69% in Nigeria.
A frightening portion also declared some degree of confidence in Osama bin Laden: 8% in Turkey, 48% in Pakistan, 68% in Egypt and 72% in Nigeria. As I concluded in a 2006 review of the Pew survey: "These appalling numbers suggest that terrorism by Muslims has deep roots and will remain a danger for years to come." Obvious conclusion, no?
Western denial: No. The fact that terrorist fish are swimming in a hospitable Muslim sea nearly disappears amid Western political, journalistic and academic bleatings. Call it political correctness, multiculturalism or self-loathing; whatever the name, this mentality produces delusion and dithering.
NOMENCLATURE LAYS bare this denial. When a sole jihadist strikes, politicians, law enforcement and media join forces to deny even the fact of terrorism; and when all must concede the terrorist nature of an attack, as in Mumbai, a pedantic establishment twists itself into knots to avoid blaming terrorists.
I documented this avoidance by listing the 20 (!) euphemisms the press unearthed to describe Islamists who attacked a school in Beslan in 2004: activists, assailants, attackers, bombers, captors, commandos, criminals, extremists, fighters, group, guerrillas, gunmen, hostage-takers, insurgents, kidnappers, militants, perpetrators, radicals, rebels and separatists - anything but terrorists.
And if "terrorist" is impolite, adjectives such as Islamist, Islamic and Muslim become unmentionable. My blog titled "Not Calling Islamism the Enemy" provides many many examples of this avoidance, along with its motives. In short, those who would replace "War on Terror" with "A Global Struggle for Security and Progress" imagine this linguistic gambit will win over Muslim hearts and minds.
Post-Mumbai, people such as Steven Emerson, Don Feder, Lela Gilbert, Caroline Glick, Tom Gross, William Kristol, Dorothy Rabinowitz and Mark Steyn again noted various aspects of this futile linguistic behavior, with Emerson bitterly concluding that "after more than seven years since 9/11, we can now issue a verdict: Islamic terrorists have won our hearts and minds."
What finally will rouse Westerners from their stupor, to name the enemy and fight the war to victory? Only one thing seems likely: massive deaths, say 100,000 casualties in a single WMD attack. Short of that, it appears, much of the West, contently deploying defensive measures against fancifully-described "activists," will gently slumber on.
The writer is director of the Middle East Forum and Taube distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University.
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By DANIEL PIPES
Victims caught in terrorist atrocities perpetrated for Islam typically experience fear, torture, horror and murder, with sirens screaming, snipers positioning and carnage in the streets. That was the case recently in Bombay (now called Mumbai), where some 195 people were murdered and 300 wounded. But for the real target of Islamist terror - the world at large - the experience has become numbed, with apologetics and justification muting repulsion and shock.
If terrorism ranks among the cruelest and most inhumane forms of warfare, excruciating in its small-bore viciousness and intentional pain, Islamist terrorism has also become well-rehearsed political theater. Actors fulfill their scripted roles, then shuffle, soon forgotten, off the stage.
Indeed, as one reflects on the most publicized episodes of Islamist terror against Westerners since 9/11 - the attack on Australians in Bali, on Spaniards in Madrid, on Russians in Beslan, on Britons in London - a twofold pattern emerges: Muslim exultation and Western denial. The same tragedy replays itself, with only names changed.
Muslim exaltation: The Mumbai assault inspired occasional condemnations, hushed official regrets and cornucopias of unofficial enthusiasm. As the Israel Intelligence Heritage and Commemoration Center notes, the Iranian and Syrian governments exploited the event "to assail the United States, Israel and the Zionist movement, and to represent them as responsible for terrorism in India and the world in general." Al-Jazeera's Web site overflowed with comments such as "Allah, grant victory to Muslims. Allah, grant victory to jihad" and "The killing of a Jewish rabbi and his wife in the Jewish center in Mumbai is heartwarming news."
SUCH SUPREMACISM and bigotry can no longer surprise, given the well-documented, world-wide acceptance of terror among many Muslims. For example, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press conducted an attitudinal survey in spring 2006, "The Great Divide: How Westerners and Muslims View Each Other." Its polls of about 1,000 people in each of 10 Muslim populations found a perilously high proportion of Muslims who, on occasion, justify suicide bombing: 13 percent in Germany, 22% in Pakistan, 26% in Turkey and 69% in Nigeria.
A frightening portion also declared some degree of confidence in Osama bin Laden: 8% in Turkey, 48% in Pakistan, 68% in Egypt and 72% in Nigeria. As I concluded in a 2006 review of the Pew survey: "These appalling numbers suggest that terrorism by Muslims has deep roots and will remain a danger for years to come." Obvious conclusion, no?
Western denial: No. The fact that terrorist fish are swimming in a hospitable Muslim sea nearly disappears amid Western political, journalistic and academic bleatings. Call it political correctness, multiculturalism or self-loathing; whatever the name, this mentality produces delusion and dithering.
NOMENCLATURE LAYS bare this denial. When a sole jihadist strikes, politicians, law enforcement and media join forces to deny even the fact of terrorism; and when all must concede the terrorist nature of an attack, as in Mumbai, a pedantic establishment twists itself into knots to avoid blaming terrorists.
I documented this avoidance by listing the 20 (!) euphemisms the press unearthed to describe Islamists who attacked a school in Beslan in 2004: activists, assailants, attackers, bombers, captors, commandos, criminals, extremists, fighters, group, guerrillas, gunmen, hostage-takers, insurgents, kidnappers, militants, perpetrators, radicals, rebels and separatists - anything but terrorists.
And if "terrorist" is impolite, adjectives such as Islamist, Islamic and Muslim become unmentionable. My blog titled "Not Calling Islamism the Enemy" provides many many examples of this avoidance, along with its motives. In short, those who would replace "War on Terror" with "A Global Struggle for Security and Progress" imagine this linguistic gambit will win over Muslim hearts and minds.
Post-Mumbai, people such as Steven Emerson, Don Feder, Lela Gilbert, Caroline Glick, Tom Gross, William Kristol, Dorothy Rabinowitz and Mark Steyn again noted various aspects of this futile linguistic behavior, with Emerson bitterly concluding that "after more than seven years since 9/11, we can now issue a verdict: Islamic terrorists have won our hearts and minds."
What finally will rouse Westerners from their stupor, to name the enemy and fight the war to victory? Only one thing seems likely: massive deaths, say 100,000 casualties in a single WMD attack. Short of that, it appears, much of the West, contently deploying defensive measures against fancifully-described "activists," will gently slumber on.
The writer is director of the Middle East Forum and Taube distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University.
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According to the pakjabis, zardari himself is a non state actor and not a very good one at that!Amber G. wrote:I am a victim onlee cries Mr 10 % in the news week.
Posting the interview here, if some one wants to read it:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/174277/output/printZardari: 'I Am a Victim Here'
Pakistan's president speaks out on Mumbai, terrorism and the ISI.
Lally Weymouth
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Dec 22, 2008
President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan is in the hot seat. Under pressure from the international community, he ordered police last week to crack down on Jamaat-ul-Dawa, a charity thought to be the public front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani terrorist group that India blames for the Thanksgiving attacks in Mumbai. President Zardari spoke with NEWSWEEK's Lally Weymouth just before the Jamaat arrests. Excerpts:
Weymouth: It has been reported that Pakistan ' s Inter-Services Intelligence [ISI] agency had links with Lashkar-e-Taiba [LeT] and that it shared intelligence with LeT on Kashmir. Do you believe that to be true?
Zardari: We are talking about an age-old situation. This is something [that happened] in the old days when dictators used to run the country. Maybe before 9/11, that may have been a position. [But] since then, things have changed to a great extent.
It is said that Lashkar is operating with the help of ISI now, not in the past.
There is no supportive interaction with our intelligence [agencies] and the LeT. Lashkar-e-Taiba happens to be a banned organization in Pakistan.
I remember how you and [your late wife] Benazir Bhutto felt about the ISI — and blamed it for causing many of your problems after she left her post as prime minister.
Yes, we've always maintained a certain position that the intelligence agencies [should] have nothing to do with politics. Since I have been in government, we've had a stated position that ISI has no political role anymore.
The problem is that long before you came to office, Lashkar-e-Taiba was used in Kashmir by the Pakistani Army to fight India.
That may have been the situation then, but things have changed. Lashkar-e-Taiba has been banned. Of course, these nonstate actors keep re-emerging in different forms. Whenever there is actionable intelligence, we move in before anyone else does.
I thought Secretary [of State Condoleezza] Rice demanded that you do something about the Mumbai bombing. Did she ask you to arrest some people?
She is a friend and she knows Pakistan is a responsible state, and the Americans and the British know how much my government has done for this operation … against the terrorists since we've been in government.
What do you think about the Mumbai attack?
I think it is horrific.
Reportedly, all of the terrorists were trained in Pakistan.
I don't have any specific information to that effect because the Indians have given us very little information. I have offered to the Indians that we will do a joint investigation into this Mumbai incident and if it leads anywhere, we will take action.
If the terrorists … were trained in Pakistan, don ' t you have to do something?
Definitely. Not for them, it's for myself … The Indians must understand that the government [of Pakistan] and the people of Pakistan are net losers of the situation. We had put in a lot of effort … to make good relations with India.
Allegedly, Rice asked you to arrest a former ISI chief, Gen. Hamid Gul. There have been stories that Gul is tied up with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. I remember Benazir talking about how bad Gul was.
Hamid Gul is an actor who is definitely not in our good books. Hamid Gul is somebody who was never appreciated by our government. She [Rice] did not go into specifics, if I may share that with you …
He has not been accused in the Mumbai incident … I think he is more of a political ideologue of terror rather than a physical supporter.
What do you need in order to move faster? Do you need real-time intelligence?
Of course. For instance, a lot of people are [saying] that they knew about this attack. I've heard that the Russians told the Indians, but I wish the Russians had also shared it with us.
The Indians are asking you to send them people to bring to justice, right?
[We] don't have that kind of relationship yet. America and Pakistan have hardly gotten to the position where we can interact and exchange information.
So you will not send anyone to India?
No, that is a decision to be made by the Parliament and not by the president.
Do you control Pakistan or does the Army control Pakistan?
Democracy controls Pakistan … All the players today understand that democracy is the only way.
So if you say there will be no first strike against India — as you did — will the Army listen to you?
Of course. It goes without saying.
Do you think India has a problem with its own Muslims? Were Indian Muslims involved [in the Mumbai attacks]?
I am not pointing fingers as I want to improve my relations with India … I want to be a friend of India and a friend of the world and [a foe of terrorism] because I am a victim myself.
There is always room for improvement on every side. There is room for the world to help me with the present situation in Pakistan, where poverty is a friend of the terrorists. I need to become economically better so I can employ these youths that [the terrorists] are employing.
U.S. intelligence reportedly has evidence of ISI ' s involvement in the [July] bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul. Is it true?
No, we have not had that intimation from the Americans. I totally deny that. We had nothing to do with the Kabul bombing. Again, these are nonstate actors.
Are you going to take any concrete steps to crack down on the Lashkar-e-Taiba?
Things have been done. One step is we have started combing the whole region for all nonstate actors and we have made certain arrests.
Do you think you can shut the LeT down?
We will not allow anybody to have the capability to perform such acts.
Or to train on Pakistani soil?
Nobody will be allowed to use Pakistan soil for any form of aggression toward any friend or foe.
Secretary Rice said that nonstate actors on your soil are still your responsibility.
Yes, definitely. I do not shrug away from that position. Anybody from my soil is my responsibility.
Over and over before, Pakistani leaders said they would do something about Lashkar and they never did.
That is not us.
Zardari is a shia and a sindhi. He is also pukistan's chief snake oil salesman. Greasy slicked back hair and an equally greasy smile. A dangerous loose cannon. Very little credibility.
In a sunni punjabi dominated state apparatus in pakistan he is fast approaching his sell by date. Soon, he might just disappear like ajmal kasab's parents!
Sindhis are not popular with the army or trusted in pakistan because they harbor thoughts of an independent state of their own.
In pukistan, everyone seems to want their own state. Go figure
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I think you may have already seen this.Praveen wrote:Guys does anyone have a complete list(or link) of people killed in 26/11?
http://www.twocircles.net/2008nov28/mum ... jured.html
there are some paki comments by anon readers in the comments section but I think the information is genuine.
ramana ji, you may want to have a look.
@Praveen, really appreciate your effort.
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Rahul M wrote:I think you may have already seen this.Praveen wrote:Guys does anyone have a complete list(or link) of people killed in 26/11?
http://www.twocircles.net/2008nov28/mum ... jured.html
there are some paki comments by anon readers in the comments section but I think the information is genuine.
ramana ji, you may want to have a look.
@Praveen, really appreciate your effort.
Rahulji,
Take a look at this too.
More "kandles" and more "kissing" is indicated!
http://dailymailnews.com/200812/12/news ... ory01.html
Pakistan to demand handing over of Col. Purohit from India
By Makhdoom Babar
ISLAMABAD— Government of Pakistan is set to demand handing over of Lt. Col. Shrikant Purohit of Indian Army, the main accused of 2007 Samjhauta Express inferno in which 69 Pakistani passengers, returning from India to Pakistan were killed, The Daily Mail has learnt on good authority.
Highly reliable sources have revealed to The Daily Mail that Pakistan is going to insist on handing over of Col. Purohit because he was proved guilty of killing 69 Pakistanis in 2007 by India’s own investigative agencies. It may mentioned here that India’s anti-terrorism specialist and formal RAW’s officer Mr. Hemant Karkare, who was investigating Samjhauta Express inferno and Malegaon Blast in his final conclusion report, framed Col. Purohit as the main accused and mastermind in both the cases and arrested Col. Purohat for further investigations. However Mr. Karkare and two other members of his Investigation Team were later killed by Saffron Terrorists, belonging to Sang Parivar’s Aatma Ghataki Pathak (Hindu Suicide Squad), during Mumbai carnage, while after Karkare’s assassination Col. Purohit was also released on bail by the court and there are no further investigations on this direction and the matter has been hushed up.
The Daily Mail’s investigation reveals further that the Pakistan authorities have taken an exception note of findings of Karkare’s investigation and are very anxious to get hold of Lt. Col. Shrikant Purohit to investigate him further to ascertain in his involvement in the killing of many other Pakistanis in different terror attacks inside Pakistan and also in India, since it has been established through Karkare’s report that Col. Purohit is an important member of the network of Hindu Extremists and like minded officer in Indian Army. The authorities believe that handing over of Col. Purohit to Pakistan, who is a proved accused of massacre of 69 Pakistanis, is more important than handing over of certain Pakistani “suspects”, doubted to be involved in Mumbai carnage.
It may be mentioned here that the Pakistan has already prepared a list of 35 most wanted terrorists that are to be sought from India, however Col. Purohit’s name was earlier not on that list and his name is to be given separately in wake of the Karakare’s investigations. However due to Mumbai incident that occurred soon after release of Karakare’s report, Islamabad could not initiate the move but now it has become imperative to go ahead with Col. Purohit’s handing over demand. It is yet to be decided that when and how this demand is to be made.
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Many of the early lists are inaccurate - with names of injured included as well.Rahul M wrote:I think you may have already seen this.Praveen wrote:Guys does anyone have a complete list(or link) of people killed in 26/11?
http://www.twocircles.net/2008nov28/mum ... jured.html
there are some paki comments by anon readers in the comments section but I think the information is genuine.
ramana ji, you may want to have a look.
@Praveen, really appreciate your effort.
I have made a start at this link - with names, locations, remarks, and verifying links
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... dE6HKulIYQ
BRF members are welcome to update the list - please remember to put a reference in the column to make sure we dont repeat the names etc.
Please download a copy to your hd in case some pakis decide to delete it. I will anyway be updating the list with more names as updations are made.
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It looks like they are spoiling for war. Or it may be that the 20 that India wants know too much of the shadowy affairs of TSP military.chetak wrote:
Rahulji,
Take a look at this too.
More "kandles" and more "kissing" is indicated!
http://dailymailnews.com/200812/12/news ... ory01.html
Pakistan to demand handing over of Col. Purohit from India
By Makhdoom Babar
Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
i believe the following events / situations are related:
- botox bhutto got assassinated by Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood
- Election in paki-satan kicks out the islamic party (further insult to Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood)
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood feels loss of local support (except steady supply of unemployed, deranged, drug induced, recruits for suicide missions)
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood consider pakistan population their own enemy,
- puppet civilian goverenment under the gun of Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood
- Americans daily bombing of paki-satan agering / humilliating Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood
- Kabul Indian Ambassy bombing killing indian briggadier (Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood) force india / USA /afghanistan to trade intelligence more closely
- CIA mole in ISI informed USA about sea launch attack on bombay
- CIA operatives in Taj assessing the situation and eventually got killed
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood feeling desparate, need to vent their frustration by doing something new and high profile (thus the bombay massacre)
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood knows that paki military has lost credibilty (soldiers surrendering all the time), and paki military take over of the puppet civilian government is not likely in the near future (thus they need to control the civilian leaders from behind the scenes)
- next step for Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood probably includes more desparate actions (wave of assassinations in afghanistan), get indian military involved, create anarchy in pak-satan, and allow AQ doctrine to thrive in a lawless badland
Only logical response to these sick psychos is partition of pakistan:
Nato to attack from north west, indian navy to blockage from the south and indian army to push from the eastern flanks of pakistan, SF from india and nato would snoop in ahead of time and find / descroy the nukes
- botox bhutto got assassinated by Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood
- Election in paki-satan kicks out the islamic party (further insult to Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood)
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood feels loss of local support (except steady supply of unemployed, deranged, drug induced, recruits for suicide missions)
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood consider pakistan population their own enemy,
- puppet civilian goverenment under the gun of Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood
- Americans daily bombing of paki-satan agering / humilliating Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood
- Kabul Indian Ambassy bombing killing indian briggadier (Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brotherhood) force india / USA /afghanistan to trade intelligence more closely
- CIA mole in ISI informed USA about sea launch attack on bombay
- CIA operatives in Taj assessing the situation and eventually got killed
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood feeling desparate, need to vent their frustration by doing something new and high profile (thus the bombay massacre)
- Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood knows that paki military has lost credibilty (soldiers surrendering all the time), and paki military take over of the puppet civilian government is not likely in the near future (thus they need to control the civilian leaders from behind the scenes)
- next step for Let/ISI/AQ/JeM brothergood probably includes more desparate actions (wave of assassinations in afghanistan), get indian military involved, create anarchy in pak-satan, and allow AQ doctrine to thrive in a lawless badland
Only logical response to these sick psychos is partition of pakistan:
Nato to attack from north west, indian navy to blockage from the south and indian army to push from the eastern flanks of pakistan, SF from india and nato would snoop in ahead of time and find / descroy the nukes
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
From the Times Of India
Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
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It's hard to do that when you have the likes of Mahesh Bhatt & his anti-India friends, who keep on launching Paki wannabe actors, and their good for nothing singers. Lalit Modi & his blood sucking friends at BCCI will not have the balls to ban Paki cricketers from IPL & let Indian talent come through, same with music shows like Sa Re Ga Ma etc. Ban everything from Pakistan, deny them visas, don't let the Porkis step foot in India. Enough talking peace, they don't want any of it. Snap diplomatic ties, impose a blanket ban on any import from Pakistan, also make it clear that India will not buy weapons from any country/company that sells arms to Pakistan. If GoI is too scared to wage a military war, atleast develop some balls to fight this war diplomatically & commercially.kbasu wrote:Hurt Pakistani citizens everywhere. Do not shop from their stores, do not hire them in any jobs. Not that they do anything important in US other than serving tables. Whatever few try to get into IT, we should not hire any of them and with the current economic condition, we should completely make their life miserable. This Shan maasala economy has to be destroyed. War is okay, but its time to destroy their economy, make sure they stay hungry, their kids stay hungry and their parents stay hungry. Humiliation is the only way to get back at them.samuel.chandra wrote:I hope Congress does not mis-read the mood of the public. If they actually think they can just fix internal security and hope this goes away, they will be sorely mistaken. BJP will clearly take advantage of this... it has to be a fool to not do that. So if pakis don't deliver the bad abduls, I doubt congress has any options but to cross the border.
This petition goes out every weekend to political parties & media:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... MUMx2611&1
Watch the video and you will know how important it is to crush these snakes
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guys kind request:
this forum is called Terror Attacks in Mumbai, because a lot of innocent people died.
Can the members please not post cartoons? There are other threads for such.
Thanks
this forum is called Terror Attacks in Mumbai, because a lot of innocent people died.
Can the members please not post cartoons? There are other threads for such.
Thanks
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... page-1.cms
RPF, railway personnel honoured for thwarting terrorists at CST
14 Dec 2008, 0028 hrs IST, TNN
NEW DELHI: "My main regret is I could not kill the terrorists," said head constable Jullu Yadav, who was given Rs 10 lakh by railway minister Lalu Prasad at a RPF function here on Saturday.
Although Jullu Yadav was unarmed that night when terrorists attacked CST station in Mumbai, he took the rifle of another policeman and opened fire engaging the heavily armed terrorists for a while.
Prasad also gave Rs 10 lakh to CST railway announcer, Vishnu Zende, who was instrumental in evacuating hundreds of passengers by making repeated announcements on the public address system. "It was perhaps the tone of my voice which made the passengers escape from the rear gate, which I was urging them to take instead of coming towards main hall where the terrorists were shooting," said Zende.
But for the presence of mind shown by Jullu and Zende, the casualties at CST would have been much more than the 58 persons killed and 95 injured, the railway minister observed.
Two other RPF personnel, Inspector Sandeep Khiratkar and sub-inspector Kiran Bhonsle, who along with Jullu Yadav and Zende also bravely fought the terrorists at CST were awarded Rs 5 lakh each by Lalu Prasad at the RPF Investiture Parade.
On the occasion, the minister announced that 22,000 more personnel would be recruited in the RPF and an RPF Academy set up for better training. RPF personnel would also be sent abroad for training.
Prasad said that "efforts are on to provide better and more modern weapons and communication equipment to the RPF personnel so that in future they are able to successfully thwart and defeat terrorist attacks".
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chetak, just another self-goal. sometimes wonder why we shouldn't have columbia policy for dealing with self-goal scorers.football enthusiasts would understand.
HariC, nicely done. btw, are you sure 263 is the actual figure ?
HariC, nicely done. btw, are you sure 263 is the actual figure ?
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A Must Read
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... nd+Zardari
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... nd+Zardari
Of Asif, Ali and Zardari
Manas Chakravarty,
December 13, 2008
First of all, they’re very unclear who exactly is a terrorist. Do we mean militants or freedom fighters or jihadis or extremists or those people whom Asif Ali Zardari says are ‘non-State actors’? That’s made even more complicated by the fact that these guys keep changing their names so that the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba becomes the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, or the Harkat-ul-Something becomes the Jaish-e-Something-Entirely-Different.
Besides, they also have Sunni fanatics, al-Qaeda operatives, Taliban militia, all adding to the confusion.
We could argue that all of them need to be put down immediately. Ah, but who’s going to do it? As Zardari has said, they have non-State actors in Pakistan. They also have State actors, non-State non-actors and State non-actors. Zardari is obviously a State non-actor. What they don’t seem to have are those who act on behalf of the State.
But that depends on which State we are talking about. The army, for instance, is a State within a State. The ISI is a State within the Army State within the State of Pakistan. And this ISI State also apparently includes ‘rogue elements’.
To make it easy for you, I have made an illustrative but by no means exhaustive list of the various groups in Pakistan.
Here it is: pro-State, pro-army; pro-State, anti-army; pro-non-State, pro-non-army; pro-State, anti-ISI; pro-army, anti-ISI (this is reportedly an oxymoron); pro-State, pro-army, pro-ISI, anti-rogue elements in the ISI (these are reportedly
morons); pro-generals, anti-retired generals; pro-retired cricketer, anti-retired general etc.
I’m uncertain whether the picture is clear now, but at least you have some idea of how complicated things really are in Pakistan.
What’s more, nobody is quite sure which of these factions runs the country. In short, if you need to hand over a list of demands the first thing to do is make about 500 photocopies and give it to each of those groups.
That’s because very often the State’s left hand has no inkling what its right hand is up to. For instance, when A.Q. Khan exploded that nuclear bomb, the Pakistan government had no idea what he was doing.
Why, even A.Q. Khan says he hadn’t a clue. “I had put my clothes in the washing machine, quite forgetting about the lump of uranium in my trouser pocket and then I went to the market to buy some veggies. Imagine my surprise when, on my way back, I saw this little mushroom cloud over my bungalow,” he told this reporter.
He then went on to explain that the uranium must have reacted with the heavy water in the washing machine (he always uses heavy water for washing, it’s good for stains) and inadvertently produced a nuclear explosion.
The point of this story is to emphasise just how difficult it is for anyone to know who is doing what in Pakistan.
Rumours have also reached me that this muddle about non-State actors and State actors has gone to such lengths that people are no longer pro-Asif Ali Zardari. Instead, some of them are pro-Asif but anti-Zardari, others are pro-Ali but anti-Asif and so on. This can, of course, happen only in Pakistan.
As for Zardari himself, he has now split into three distinct personalities — Asif, Ali and Zardari — so that if you ask him about that list of terrorists he can claim you never gave it to him at all because you handed it to Asif but the guy who’s before you now is Ali.
So if you see the president of Pakistan sitting quietly at his desk, don’t for a moment assume the poor man is lonely and depressed. For all you know, he may be having a wild party with Asif and Ali.
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X Post.
For all the protestations of innocence by Pakistan, the world is pretty clear that there is a Pakistani link to the Islamic Terrorist attack on Mumbai not to mention connections to Islamic terrorist attacks on more distant locales like Britanistan.
Prime Minister of the prospective Islamic Caliphate of Britainistan , Gordon Brown :
For all the protestations of innocence by Pakistan, the world is pretty clear that there is a Pakistani link to the Islamic Terrorist attack on Mumbai not to mention connections to Islamic terrorist attacks on more distant locales like Britanistan.
Prime Minister of the prospective Islamic Caliphate of Britainistan , Gordon Brown :
From Times Online
December 14, 2008
Pakistan 'linked to 75% of all UK terror plots', warns Gordon Brown
Sam Coates, Chief Political Correspondent, in Islamabad
Three quarters of all terror plots in the UK under investigation by British police have links to Pakistan, Gordon Brown revealed today. ……….
Mr Brown heaped public pressure on Pakistan's civilian government by formally declaring Britain believed a Pakistani militant group was behind the multiple attacks. He has been assured by British intelligence that the group Lashkar E Taiba were behind the attacks, despite claims by the Pakistan authorities that they have no evidence that they are responsible. Western intelligence services are believed to have intercepted phone calls from the bombers in Mumbai to militants in Pakistan.
Landing in Islamabad, Mr Brown made clear he was in no doubt the group were responsible for the attacks, adding "they have a great deal to answer for." ………..
Times Online
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Hello
Please follow the link below to read a very good analysis on the recent terror attacks
http://www.gaurdian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... athundhati
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Please follow the link below to read a very good analysis on the recent terror attacks
http://www.gaurdian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... athundhati
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
Its quite a shitty analysis. If fact, there is no analysis, just a sly rant. Boss, read the article and read between the lines. Its more of an agenda post than an analysis.suneels wrote:Hello
Please follow the link below to read a very good analysis on the recent terror attacks
http://www.gaurdian.co.uk/world/2008/de ... athundhati
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
No sir this is not a good analysis.Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
Suneels, could you pls remove the link. If you wish post the paragraphs from that article you find worth reading. otherwise no need to give hits to Suzzane roy's trash.suneels wrote:Hello
Please follow the link below to read a very good analysis on the recent terror attacks
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV
suneels wrote:Hello
Please follow the link below to read a very good analysis on the recent terror attacks
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'Very good analysis' ???
I've been smoking something, bro !! This is nothing but 'jholawala' thrash, flavoured with special 'Indian secularism', specially prepared for goras' home consumption.
Can we deport her to Pakistan,as she seems to be a darling of the media there? She's better than Begum Sherry, in the disinformation campaign against India.
Pleeeeeease all -- no more Begum Roy articles.