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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Ashwin B » 15 Dec 2008 02:39

Shreeman wrote:What's up with the following?

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1070313/


Hmm Very Curious..
Googling for the registration, I came up with the following links.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N78GF (Keflavik, Iceland to Dallas?Fort Worth )
Link to a full size pic:
http://flightaware.com/photos/view/phot ... =N78GF;o=1
More at:
http://flightaware.com/photos/aircraft/N78GF
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N78GF.html

Owner seems to be "North American Tactical Aviation Inc" (http://www.nata-inc.com)
That site has nothing save one that piqued my curiosity further:
http://www.nata-inc.com/products.htm

This discussion throws a little more light on the purpose of the aircraft:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread197937/pg2

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Sid » 15 Dec 2008 03:25

Ashwin B wrote:
Shreeman wrote:What's up with the following?

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1070313/


Hmm Very Curious..

This discussion throws a little more light on the purpose of the aircraft:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread197937/pg2


excellent find. At first glance i thought it was PAF tankers (as it had different refueling pods). But now it sounds more like airborne version of Blackwater USA.

So now US has mercenaries for air-duties too. great going..

[EDIT] looking at its phony web-site, something does look fishy. They also operate Mig and Su. It's a complete mercenary air-force ready to be hired by anyone. jeez..

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby kit » 15 Dec 2008 13:42

Something for everyone.
The new flight global directory of World air forces is available for free download .

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/geta ... emID=26061

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Nitesh » 15 Dec 2008 13:55

In IAF section it says that IL 76 (AEW) ORDERED as 6

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Nitesh » 23 Dec 2008 11:30

'Pentagon's plan to buy F-22s may signal export'

The Israel Air Force is hopeful that a new Pentagon plan to buy 60 F-22 stealth fighter jets will include a push to end a congressional ban on exporting the stealth aircraft, senior defense officials have told The Jerusalem Post.

"If the F-22 is made available, we will bring it here as soon as possible, no matter what the price is," a top IAF officer said last week. "To have strong deterrence and to win a conflict, we need to have the best aircraft in existence."

A single-seater, double-engine aircraft, the F-22 achieves stealth though a combination of its shape, composite materials, color and other integrated systems, and can fly in enemy airspace without being detected.

Israel has had its sights on the F-22 since its development began in the early 1990s. Today, it is the only 5th generation fighter jet fully operational with stealth capabilities. It is called the "Raptor" by the US Air Force, which operates squadrons out of Virginia, Florida and New Mexico.

Last week, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Adm. Michael Mullen said the US Air Force planned to buy 60 more F-22s, bringing the total number ordered to 243. One reason the USAF wanted additional F-22s, Mullen said, was out of concern that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter - which is currently under development by Lockheed Martin and which Israel plans to purchase - would run into delays.

"It's very important we have capability to bridge to that [F-35] system with respect to the broad range of capabilities for the country," Mullen was quoted as saying.

Each F-22 costs about $150 million, and the jet's rising cost is one reason the USAF has scaled back from initial procurement plans of more than 700 to 243.

The American media has speculated that the new USAF order will include a push to end the congressional ban on the export of the F-22. In addition to Israel, Japan and Australia have expressed interest in purchasing the aircraft.

Winslow Wheeler, the director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Center for Defense Information in Washington, told the Post that the USAF was interested in removing the congressional ban to raise production volume and thus lower the price of each plane. However, he said the F-22 would still be overpriced and would be disappointing in its performance.

While the IAF is currently determined to purchase the JSF F-35, defense officials said Sunday that an official order would only be made toward the second quarter of 2009, once the final price of the plane was determined.

In the meantime, the IAF is exploring purchasing additional F-16s and F-15s to replace older model aircraft that will be phased out in the coming years, as well as to fill the gap that will be created if the JSF is delayed as Mullen predicts. Lockheed Martin has said that Israel would begin receiving the JSF in 2014 if it placed an order in the coming months.

"If the JSF is significantly delayed, we will once again consider purchasing additional F-15Is," a military source said.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 24 Dec 2008 09:25

In the meantime, the IAF is exploring purchasing additional F-16s and F-15s to replace older model aircraft that will be phased out in the coming years, as well as to fill the gap that will be created if the JSF is delayed as Mullen predicts. Lockheed Martin has said that Israel would begin receiving the JSF in 2014 if it placed an order in the coming months.


I believe he is referring to the F-4 and F-5 as older models. I do not see a single airforce in the region except perhaps UAE and Turkey which can even dream of challenging the IAF even into the next 10 to 15 years. I believe Israel should save its resoruces and not procure more F-15s in the interim period while waiting for the JSF. The "Gap" he refers to may not definitely necessitate spending on more 4.5/4th gen aircraft. Given the cost of JSF and perhaps F-22 in the future, I dont see a small state like Israel having tonnes of money to spend, so effort shud be on saving resources and waiting for the 5th gen aircraft :twisted:

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Singha » 24 Dec 2008 10:13

I love SBIRS and other peeping toms like KH12. information is power.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Gerard » 27 Dec 2008 23:56

Russia launches three new navigation satellites
The 1.4-tonne satellites join 17 others that are part of the GLONASS system, which Russia aims to finish next year. When completed, it will have a total of 24 satellites

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Gerard » 28 Dec 2008 00:03

New Russian sea-based missile fails again in test
"After its firing from the submarine Dmitry Donskoy, the Bulava missile self-liquidated and exploded in the air," a military source told the agency.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Div » 28 Dec 2008 07:41

Yogi_G wrote:I believe he is referring to the F-4 and F-5 as older models. I do not see a single airforce in the region except perhaps UAE and Turkey which can even dream of challenging the IAF even into the next 10 to 15 years. I believe Israel should save its resoruces and not procure more F-15s in the interim period while waiting for the JSF. The "Gap" he refers to may not definitely necessitate spending on more 4.5/4th gen aircraft. Given the cost of JSF and perhaps F-22 in the future, I dont see a small state like Israel having tonnes of money to spend, so effort shud be on saving resources and waiting for the 5th gen aircraft :twisted:

You are forgetting the Saudis.

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Postby Nitesh » 28 Dec 2008 17:53

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/20 ... 230270064/

HONG KONG, Dec. 26 (UPI) -- China's J-10A air superiority combat fighter aircraft falls into the same category as the U.S.-made F-16 Block 40, but it costs at least one-third less.

The People's Republic of China has already started to manufacture a next-version J-11B, based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-27SK.

China denies that its aircraft is an imitation of the famous and highly regarded Russian fighter, as its measurements are smaller. Therefore China does not consider the J-11B to be subject to the Sukhoi Su-27SK licensing agreement or its export restrictions. The J-11B is also likely to be fitted with Chinese WS10A engines and sold in Africa.

In general, the price of Chinese weapons is still about one-third lower than comparable Russian weapons. More importantly, what China wants from Africa is resources, especially crude oil, and it has already exported substantial numbers of weapons in exchange for oil. In dealing with oil-producing countries China has an advantage over Russia, which as a major world oil producer has no need to trade weapons for oil.

For instance, China sold 15 J-7 fighters to oil-rich Nigeria in 2005. Nigeria is another country that has purchased most of its military hardware from Russia in the past. It has a fleet of Russian Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF fighters, and the Nigerian army is equipped with 100 Russian T55 main battle tanks.

The one African country where Chinese arms purchases have completely replaced those from Russia is Egypt. Since tilting toward the U.S.-led Western camp in 1979, Egypt has continued to import Chinese arms. With technological support from China, Egypt has assembled 80 K-8 trainers and is assembling another 40, for a total of 120 K-8 trainers in the Egyptian air force. This makes it China's top customer for this item.

Egypt still has weapon systems from the Soviet Union, including at least 800 T54/55 MBTs, 200 sealed BMP-1 IFVs and about 60 MiG-21s for training purposes. But because of an insufficient supply of parts, Egypt decided to switch to Chinese aircraft and purchased 53 J-7 fighters from China.

Other African countries that have acquired China's K-8 trainers include Zambia with eight aircraft, Namibia with four, Zimbabwe with 12, Ghana with four and Sudan with 12. China also has had contacts with these countries concerning its FC-1 fighters.

All these countries have traditionally been Russia's weapons clients. The Namibian army has T54/55 tanks and its air force is equipped with Russian An-26 transport aircraft. Meanwhile, Namibia has also purchased two Y-12 transport aircraft from China.

Zambia uses both Chinese and Russian arms. The Zambian army is equipped with both T44s and Chinese T59 MBTs, which are now undergoing an upgrade with help from China. The Zambian air force also uses both MiG-21 and J-6 fighters.

China has exported to Zimbabwe T59 and T69 MBTs, and most of its ground forces' equipment is from China. Of course Russian SAM-7 surface-to-air missiles are still in service here. The Zimbabwean air force has six MiG-23 fighters and nine J-7 fighters.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Mark Schwartzbard » 28 Dec 2008 21:18

Nitesh wrote:http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2008/12/26/Chinas_fighters_undercut_Sukhoi_in_African_markets/UPI-67001230270064/

HONG KONG, Dec. 26 (UPI) -- China's J-10A air superiority combat fighter aircraft falls into the same category as the U.S.-made F-16 Block 40, but it costs at least one-third less.

The People's Republic of China has already started to manufacture a next-version J-11B, based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-27SK.

China denies that its aircraft is an imitation of the famous and highly regarded Russian fighter, as its measurements are smaller. Therefore China does not consider the J-11B to be subject to the Sukhoi Su-27SK licensing agreement or its export restrictions. The J-11B is also likely to be fitted with Chinese WS10A engines and sold in Africa.

In general, the price of Chinese weapons is still about one-third lower than comparable Russian weapons. More importantly, what China wants from Africa is resources, especially crude oil, and it has already exported substantial numbers of weapons in exchange for oil. In dealing with oil-producing countries China has an advantage over Russia, which as a major world oil producer has no need to trade weapons for oil.


a) Before they begin comparing the J10 with F-16 we need to consider the quality of weapons package, as todays battles are not platform v platform. If push comes to shove, you may even throw in your grannies sink and toaster ;)

b) With the IPR now signed between Russia and China, how does the smaller J-11B ( which may resemble the Mig-29, baring the engines ) impact this agreement ?

c) Of course the chinies weapons will be cheaper than the Russian, since the chinese have hardly spent the hard dollars in innovating, most are russian copies or at best mass produced arms flooding the market. Hence the above IPR. What are the limitations of such weapons.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Mark Schwartzbard » 28 Dec 2008 21:26

soutikghosh wrote:Potential look for PAK-FA

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6267 ... 403cj7.jpg


Doesn't chime with me, the PAK-FA would probably closely resemble the F-22, baring the rear/near the engines. Since it's better to go with a known design, and then play around it to meet your requirements, than to innovate completly from scratch, again I could be incorrect.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 28 Dec 2008 21:29

Div wrote:
Yogi_G wrote:I believe he is referring to the F-4 and F-5 as older models. I do not see a single airforce in the region except perhaps UAE and Turkey which can even dream of challenging the IAF even into the next 10 to 15 years. I believe Israel should save its resoruces and not procure more F-15s in the interim period while waiting for the JSF. The "Gap" he refers to may not definitely necessitate spending on more 4.5/4th gen aircraft. Given the cost of JSF and perhaps F-22 in the future, I dont see a small state like Israel having tonnes of money to spend, so effort shud be on saving resources and waiting for the 5th gen aircraft :twisted:

You are forgetting the Saudis.


You are right...the acquisition of the Typhoons will give them an immense boost in overall terms...

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 28 Dec 2008 21:42

Iam wrote:
soutikghosh wrote:Potential look for PAK-FA

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6267 ... 403cj7.jpg


Doesn't chime with me, the PAK-FA would probably closely resemble the F-22, baring the rear/near the engines. Since it's better to go with a known design, and then play around it to meet your requirements, than to innovate completly from scratch, again I could be incorrect.


Is that a delta? It definitely appears to be a type of delta...wat is interesting is the B-2 type wing extensions :twisted:

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 28 Dec 2008 21:44

Gerard wrote:Russia launches three new navigation satellites
The 1.4-tonne satellites join 17 others that are part of the GLONASS system, which Russia aims to finish next year. When completed, it will have a total of 24 satellites


I think ISRO will not launch any satellites for GLONASS...I think the original plan was to have ISRO launch 3 satellites before 2008....only 4 more to go to complete the constellation....

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Mark Schwartzbard » 28 Dec 2008 21:52

Yogi_G wrote:
Is that a delta? It definitely appears to be a type of delta...wat is interesting is the B-2 type wing extensions :twisted:


Looks like one of the war games videos that my kid plays with.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby kit » 30 Dec 2008 19:08

Talk about asymmetry ... F22 vs a crop duster :D

see page 14 .. some reference to mumbai style attacks also

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DWG/Do ... enuart.pdf

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Gerard » 03 Jan 2009 02:44

Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
President-elect Barack Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.’s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Philip » 27 Jan 2009 16:41

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/e ... dist=msr_3

Ex-official: Britain shot at UFOs

Last update: 3:49 p.m. EST Jan. 26, 2009
LONDON, Jan 26, 2009 (UPI via COMTEX) -- A former official with the British Ministry of Defense said military pilots in the country have been shooting at UFOs since the 1980s.
Nick Pope, former head of the Ministry of Defense's UFO project, said UFOs have been fired upon but none have been brought down or captured by the Royal Air Force, The Daily Telegraph reported Monday.
"There was a faction in the MoD who said 'We want to shoot down a UFO and that will resolve the issue one way or another,'" Pope said. "We know of cases where the order has been given to shoot down -- with little effect to the UFO."
Pope said pilots only fired upon UFOs in cases where the objects appeared threatening.
"In the case of UFOs, whether the object is causing a threat is very much a pilot's judgment call. The public won't know unless it comes down in a heavily populated area," he said.
www.upi.com

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Arun_S » 05 Feb 2009 22:38

I commend scientific progress of Iran. No doubt it will cause lot of heartburn in Sunni muslim biradiri

Iran insists satellite launch has no military aim
Image Iran's first satellite
Tehran (AFP) Feb 4, 2009
Iran insisted on Wednesday that the launch of its first home-built satellite has no military aims, despite deep concerns in arch-foe Israel and the West about the development.

"This is a scientific and technical achievement and has no military aims," foreign ministry spokesman Hassan Ghashghavi told reporters.

Iran's launch of the Omid (Hope) satellite carried by the home-built Safir-2 rocket on Monday has set alarm bells ringing among Western powers already at loggerheads with Tehran over its nuclear programme.

But hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the move signalled Tehran's technological achievement and was an attempt to break the Western world's monopoly on science.

"We should try to break this scientific monopoly," he said at a seminar on science in Tehran.

"Today science and other technologies are monopolised. We should try to get science out of the control of the arrogant and the selfish," he said, adding the satellite launch had raised Iran's global status "one hundred steps". .. . . . . . .

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby ramana » 05 Feb 2009 22:50

Gerard wrote:Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
President-elect Barack Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.’s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China.


So what stops the ISRO- DRDO linkup to be formalised?

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Div » 07 Feb 2009 01:22

Nearly 200 Russian Air Force MiG-29 Fighters May Be Written Off


((As of December 2008, the Russian air force had 291 MiG-29, according to Aleksandr Novikov, general director of the Moscow Chernyshev Machine Building Enterprise. They are flown by five regiments and three training centers, as well as the Swifts demonstration team at Kubinka. Title says the rest. Not further translated.))

Source: 06.02.09, Avia.RU

http://www.royfc.com/acft_news.html

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby ajay_ijn » 07 Feb 2009 10:15

Div wrote:Nearly 200 Russian Air Force MiG-29 Fighters May Be Written Off


((As of December 2008, the Russian air force had 291 MiG-29, according to Aleksandr Novikov, general director of the Moscow Chernyshev Machine Building Enterprise. They are flown by five regiments and three training centers, as well as the Swifts demonstration team at Kubinka. Title says the rest. Not further translated.))

Source: 06.02.09, Avia.RU

http://www.royfc.com/acft_news.html

how can they operate such a huge fleet with tiny budget, besides the maintainence problems Mig-29s suffered in 90s. makes me wonder how long our own Mig-29s can operate after upgrade.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Gerard » 08 Feb 2009 18:50

French fighter planes grounded by computer virus
According to Liberation newspaper, two days later the chiefs of staff decided to isolate Intramar from the military's other computer systems, but certain computers at the Villacoublay air base and in the 8th Transmissions Regiment were infected. Liberation reported that on the 15 and 16 January the Navy's Rafale aircraft were "nailed to the ground" because they were unable to "download their flight plans". The aircraft were eventually activated by "another system".
n the first days of January 2009 the British Defence Ministry had been attacked by a hybrid of the virus that had substantially and seriously infected the computer systems of more than 24 RAF bases and 75 per cent of the Royal Navy fleet including the aircraft carrier Ark Royal.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Kailash » 13 Feb 2009 05:19

Gerard wrote:Nasa alert as Russian and US satellites crash in space at 25,000mph


I believe that would be the first international satellite accident!!
Bound to see more of these in coming years with ever increasing number of satellites..

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2009 08:53

Gerard wrote:French fighter planes grounded by computer virus
According to Liberation newspaper, two days later the chiefs of staff decided to isolate Intramar from the military's other computer systems, but certain computers at the Villacoublay air base and in the 8th Transmissions Regiment were infected. Liberation reported that on the 15 and 16 January the Navy's Rafale aircraft were "nailed to the ground" because they were unable to "download their flight plans". The aircraft were eventually activated by "another system".
n the first days of January 2009 the British Defence Ministry had been attacked by a hybrid of the virus that had substantially and seriously infected the computer systems of more than 24 RAF bases and 75 per cent of the Royal Navy fleet including the aircraft carrier Ark Royal.



Some sort of attack is being trialled.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

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May be Ruskie are testing SAT to Sat war fare in its own territory. Unkil taken off guard decide to declare it an accident.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby NRao » 14 Feb 2009 03:29

Taming the System

Interesting article on Gates vs. USAF + F-22.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Sanjay M » 14 Feb 2009 12:13

Just a small leisurecraft, but very elegantly designed, and low cost:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCi3qTmYHJQ

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Sanjay M » 14 Feb 2009 14:17

Indian airlines would definitely buy a product like this, if it were to become available:





Just imagine how much time it would shave off intercontinental flights.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Sanjay M » 15 Feb 2009 06:50

Here's an interesting one I hadn't seen before:



Lockheed's P-791 was its demontrator/proof-of-concept in its bid for Pentagon's now-defunct Walrus hybrid air vehicle program.

You can see the large suction rings at the bottom, which were intended to keep the helium-filled vehicle firmly on the ground during taxiing.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby SaiK » 15 Feb 2009 08:35

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2 ... cement.cnn

James Webb telescope to replace Hubble!.. awesome!!

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Liu » 15 Feb 2009 20:57

Iam wrote:
Nitesh wrote:http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2008/12/26/Chinas_fighters_undercut_Sukhoi_in_African_markets/UPI-67001230270064/

HONG KONG, Dec. 26 (UPI) -- China's J-10A air superiority combat fighter aircraft falls into the same category as the U.S.-made F-16 Block 40, but it costs at least one-third less.

The People's Republic of China has already started to manufacture a next-version J-11B, based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-27SK.

China denies that its aircraft is an imitation of the famous and highly regarded Russian fighter, as its measurements are smaller. Therefore China does not consider the J-11B to be subject to the Sukhoi Su-27SK licensing agreement or its export restrictions. The J-11B is also likely to be fitted with Chinese WS10A engines and sold in Africa.

In general, the price of Chinese weapons is still about one-third lower than comparable Russian weapons. More importantly, what China wants from Africa is resources, especially crude oil, and it has already exported substantial numbers of weapons in exchange for oil. In dealing with oil-producing countries China has an advantage over Russia, which as a major world oil producer has no need to trade weapons for oil.


a) Before they begin comparing the J10 with F-16 we need to consider the quality of weapons package, as todays battles are not platform v platform. If push comes to shove, you may even throw in your grannies sink and toaster ;)

b) With the IPR now signed between Russia and China, how does the smaller J-11B ( which may resemble the Mig-29, baring the engines ) impact this agreement ?

c) Of course the chinies weapons will be cheaper than the Russian, since the chinese have hardly spent the hard dollars in innovating, most are russian copies or at best mass produced arms flooding the market. Hence the above IPR. What are the limitations of such weapons.


well, J10A A-A capacity is better than F1640, rafale and EF2000 in service ,because all rafale and ef2000 in service have no AESA or PESA yet.

But J10A's groud-striking capacity as well as other chinese aircraft is still much more crappy than F16 40,because Chinese premisely striking ammunition lack the supports of necessary infrastructures like indengious GPS...etc.

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

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Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Postby Singha » 16 Feb 2009 23:50

new fleet of 28 Marine1 EH101_MKI helis to cost $400 mil each :eek:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us/po ... ml?_r=1&hp


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