Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby SaiK » 15 Dec 2008 23:42

ashashi wrote:
SaiK wrote:How dare BBC does a heading when mumble in kashmir speaks, makes the headline as "PM in Pakistan".. they are resorting to all kinds of vendetta against Indians.

Filthy brits is infested with LeTs!!

Indian PM in Pakistan ties plea

how come for BBC, speaking from kashmir becomes speaking from pakistan!.. this is outrageous..


File an email complaint with BBC News here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1n.shtml

BBC needs to know how outrageous their headline is.


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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Nesoj » 15 Dec 2008 23:49

negi wrote:Bhai log any one of you recently travelling to/from India whats the scene wrt Airport security and baggage checks


$'s speak

Wanna bring more than 2 bottles of booze - it's 1:2 extra (1 bottle under the table for 2 extra taken out)
Gold, electronics ect - just a couple of $10 greenbacks in the placed in the passport (ooops !! they are missing when passport returned)

ref : airport in South India - Gulf traffic

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Rye » 15 Dec 2008 23:54

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/15m ... wn-way.htm

Start of series with Indian heavies like ex-NSA Brajesh Mishra and others on india's response

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby sunnyP » 16 Dec 2008 00:14

SaiK wrote:How dare BBC does a heading when mumble in kashmir speaks, makes the headline as "PM in Pakistan".. they are resorting to all kinds of vendetta against Indians.

Filthy brits is infested with LeTs!!

Indian PM in Pakistan ties plea

how come for BBC, speaking from kashmir becomes speaking from pakistan!.. this is outrageous..


While I am no fan of the bbc, I think this is just a badly worded headline.

Its not saying hes 'in' Pakistan, but that he's making a plea re ties with Pakistan.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Sontu » 16 Dec 2008 01:23

New threats, involving advances in commercially available electronics

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 0to%20Iran

Says...
New threats, involving advances in commercially available electronics, continue to rapidly mutate in the area of secure communications and command and control, as demonstrated in Mumbai, India. During the recent attack, gunmen talked by cell phone and Voice Over Internet Protocol (VOIP) to their commanders in Pakistan for orders about avoiding police, attacking additional sites, and selecting hostages for execution

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby James B » 16 Dec 2008 01:42

Pukis are trying to clean up evidence linking Kasab piglet to Pukiland

http://ia.rediff.com/cms/print.jsp?docp ... -clean.htm

Pakistani security and intelligence agencies have deployed a large number of personnel in plainclothes at Faridkot in Okara district of Punjab province, from where Ajmal hails, with journalists visiting the area having to face angry protests.

Footage of the intelligence operatives has been aired by Geo News channel. The News daily reported that journalists who visited Faridkot on December 6 were surrounded by over 100 people, some of them armed with cane sticks, who pressurised the reporters not to interview anybody or do any filming in the area.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Amber G. » 16 Dec 2008 02:27

I do not see Faridkot, but I believe hereis a
Google Map of the butcher's place neighborhood. One can zoom in if one knows where exactly the place is.

Added later: Looks like this is the place:
More accuratte Map
Deaf and Dumb's are cursing traitor Geo TV (and Dawn etc .. who confirmed the story about kasab) and wondering why it was not burned to ground. :eek:

Meanwhile here is a report from Washington Post
Pakistani Town Roiled By Tie to Mumbai Case
FARIDKOT, Pakistan -- The road to the home town of the only gunman captured during the Mumbai attacks is about 20 feet wide and rutted, cutting through vast expanses of sugar cane and potato fields.

Before Indian authorities linked Ajmal Amir Kasab and nine other Pakistani men to last month's massacre in Mumbai, the town of Faridkot didn't even rate a dot on most maps of Pakistan. Neither did the other two Pakistani towns named Faridkot.

But when Indian officials claimed last week that Kasab, 21, came from this town of 3,000 in the central Pakistani province of Punjab, it became a focal point in the investigation of the attacks. Indian authorities have said two of the other men behind the assaults that killed at least 170 people and wounded 230 came from the same area. But unlike the other attackers, who all died, Kasab was wounded and captured by police. Indian investigators say that under interrogation, he has revealed much about how the attacks were planned and executed.

Indian allegations that former or current Pakistani intelligence officers may have had a hand in training the gunmen have raised the stakes considerably in Faridkot. Pakistani government officials have denied that the country's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency, also known as the ISI, played any direct role in the attacks. ISI agents, nonetheless, have put Faridkot under close watch.

The main approach to Faridkot bends into the dusty district of Okara, a sprawling, semi-urban warren of greasy auto parts shops and truck depots. It is at the last turn through Okara where the watchful gaze of Pakistani intelligence agents appears to begin.

At the edge of Faridkot, men in unusually spotless long, beige Pakistani tunics and tightly turned turbans laser passing cars with suspicious looks. At the entry to Faridkot's main road, not-so-undercover Pakistani security officers hustle quickly after arriving strangers, then jot down vehicle license plates.

Centuries ago, Faridkot was best known for its Sufi patron saint, Baba Farid. That was when Muslim mystics and poets roamed the subcontinent -- long before the 1947 partition that created six decades of enmity between Pakistan and India. In more recent years, the deeply impoverished area around Faridkot, which is about 25 miles from the Indian border, has been a recruiting ground for the Pakistani military as well as increasingly virulent Sunni Muslim extremist groups such as Lashkar-i-Taiba, according to experts on the region. Now the story of this Pakistani town includes Kasab, even if his former neighbors are deeply reluctant to admit it.

In interviews, residents variously claimed Kasab does not exist or is the son of a potter, a brick factory worker, a street vendor or is an 80-year-old man. "There is no Ajmal. There is no Kasab," said Ali Sher, brother of the town's mayor. "We have a list of each person who is registered to vote. There is no Ajmal."

When asked about Indian claims that Kasab's mother, Noor Elahi, lives in the town, Sher chuckled, shook his head and said several women sharing the same name live in Faridkot. As for Kasab's father, residents confirmed that a Muhammad Amir once lived in the town. But he was 75 or 80 years old and had moved away from Faridkot about 10 years ago, they said. And, besides, they added, Muhammad Amir was a brick worker, not a butcher, as the Urdu translation of the name "Kasab" would imply.

In an ad hoc town hall meeting in a dank, abandoned storefront on Faridkot's main drag, several of the men who gathered to answer questions about the surviving Mumbai gunman began shouting. A man in a tailored blue blazer and light blue, button-down oxford shirt leaned in conspiratorially, whispered something into his neighbor's ear and began dialing his cellphone. Soon, as the crowd spilled out onto the street, more well-dressed men in blazers appeared nearby.

"It is totally baseless. There is no Pakistani role. They are not Pakistani," Sher said. "He might be Afghan. He might be another nationality. We don't know that guy, so how can we know if it's true?"

Then Ghulam Mustafa, mayor of Faridkot, suddenly appeared. Yes, there was an Ajmal in Faridkot, Mustafa said. Yes, his house is here. His mother is there. We can go there, he said.

The crowd swelled as Mustafa led the way through a narrow maze of tumbledown brick compounds. They pushed purposefully past a house pulsing with music from an engagement party, made a sharp left and poured through the wooden archway of another compound. A few curious young boys in maroon-and-gold school uniforms trailed along, crowding into a small, enclosed courtyard where Mustafa said the mother of the man known simply as Ajmal had lived.

Mustafa strode toward a petite, frail-looking woman with dark skin and piercing blue eyes. Her weathered face looked pained as strangers asked her for the umpteenth time since the Mumbai attacks about her son.

"Don't make me worry. I'm a poor lady. My son is a poor laborer, earning 20 to 30 rupees a day," she said.

With tears in her eyes and wringing her hands, she gave her name as Amerin Jawai. Asked about her husband, she hesitated for a moment, then said his name was Saddiq. She said her son, Ajmal, was 25 years old, worked in a brick factory in Faridkot, and was somewhere hanging out. He has no cellphone so he could not be reached.

Is Ajmal married, someone asked. Yes, he has a wife and two children, Jawai said. Where is Ajmal's wife? She is not here, she lives with her father in the village of Shergarh, Jawai replied. Jawai said Ajmal's father died when Ajmal was 12.

What about a photo? Jawai nodded sharply toward the mayor. "No. I have repeatedly told him to make an ID card for my son, but he hasn't done it. So he is the reason we do not have a photo of him," Jawai said, indicating the mayor.

Mustafa laughingly shrugged off the woman's comment. A few minutes later, as darkness fell, he hurriedly escorted his guests back to their car.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Gerard » 16 Dec 2008 05:03

It's time to end the impunity of Human Rights Watch
Seventeen blown apart shopping in Istanbul; eight children gunned down at a Jerusalem school; 58 slaughtered in front of the Indian Embassy in Kabul. These are just some examples of the terrorist atrocities that plagued the world in the past year. Yet NGO superpower Human Rights Watch, winner of this year's UN Prize for Human Rights, did not find these incidents of mass murder and violations of the most sacred of human rights, the right to life, significant enough to merit a single comment.
HRW's statement on the Mumbai massacres is entitled "India: Respect Rights in Hunt for Mumbai Conspirators,"

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Rye » 16 Dec 2008 05:21

HRW winner of this year's UN Prize for Human Rights,


Another reason why the UN should be destroyed from the ground up at some point in the future.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Prem » 16 Dec 2008 05:52



Litter :)
Here in BR we have used this very apt word for Paki (chimpa)Humanzee population. Good to know Vaidhyanathan article about Zakatistan found the target in Ahmak Rashid and now lets hope Litter and Killgion become part of the language on any discourse about Pakistan.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby samuel.chandra » 16 Dec 2008 06:17

Done.

They will learn the hard way when the local-paki-scum take over some hotel like they did in mumbai. it will take a while for the jihadi scum to grow a neuron, but eventually they will figure out that UK is way more vulnerable than mumbai.

SaiK wrote:
ashashi wrote:
SaiK wrote:How dare BBC does a heading when mumble in kashmir speaks, makes the headline as "PM in Pakistan".. they are resorting to all kinds of vendetta against Indians.

Filthy brits is infested with LeTs!!

Indian PM in Pakistan ties plea

how come for BBC, speaking from kashmir becomes speaking from pakistan!.. this is outrageous..


File an email complaint with BBC News here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1n.shtml

BBC needs to know how outrageous their headline is.


done

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby asprinzl » 16 Dec 2008 07:05

HRW are losers who cannot find a real job but make a living out of grants and endowments and other contributions. Usually spoilt rich kids trying to make a difference in the world. All they do is slander democratic nations and dare not criticize Syria nor Cuba nor China.

Here is a kicker for folks on BR. HRW's equally evil twin has an advertising arm in Europe based in France. All summer long this year this ad firm was promoting the Beijing Olympic games after having won million dollar contract from the Chinese government while in the USA they were promoting Tibetan rights. Show them the money and all concerns about human rights will go out by the window. Hypocrits.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Tilak » 16 Dec 2008 07:06

suneels wrote:Hello
"The Guardian" published in UK has a larger readership than all the combined soothsayers in BR.
That is a fact.
No I don not smoke, and no I don't drink "tharra" either...
Please give a disseminated reply to Ms. Roy or just learn to live with the fact that we are just bedbugs in a humoungous world... Siraf Macchar.
If you wish to counter Ms. Roy, please learn to be erudite and publish facts to the world, 'cos "boss" we in BR are NOT the world!
Grow up and give a responsible rejoinder or live with this reality. Period.
Suneel
BTW: I've been hit thrice by Exocets in 1984 and am still alive and kicking, thank you...
Have you ever seen blood?
Stop ranting and come up with something ORIGINAL for a change.


Tilak wrote:
suneels wrote:BTW: I've been hit thrice by Exocets in 1984 and am still alive and kicking, thank you...
Have you ever seen blood?


1984, you sure ??. Shiver me timbers! :rotfl: :rotfl:.



suneels wrote:Some punk wants to question my credentials? Heh Heh! Gladly....
Had to find my old old CDC for this one... lemme see:
Iran Shojjat: Official No 391, GRT 12367, BHP 10900, date of strike 25/5/85
Iran Itihad: Official No.433, GRT 11384, BHP 11200, date of strike Sept 85, lost all my documents on that one...
Iran Nazr: Never officially accepted by the Govt of Iran (carrying munitions from a "friendly country and all that) date of strike Dec 85...
Owners of all ships IRISL. Managers: XXX
That was before they issued compulsary IMO nos friend...only port of registry nos were needed.


Darling, we here have seen too many posers(F-15 pilots... Bakpakis) here, and shoot their mouth off, without proving anything. So I ask you to put your money where your mouth is and prove it, the onus is on you..

BTW. You were the one who said 1984, when I "especially" asked you if it was indeed 1984 ?, now you claim your ships were hit 3 times in "1985". :rotfl: :rotfl:. Just when I was about to say "quit with your bullcrap", and bring your sources, you say you found your oold old CDC, come on man .. atleast can we have a pic of these "ghost ships" that you have been gunrunning, for the Iranians? :lol: :lol:. While I await information on the GRT's you posted, from my sources.. I cant wait for you to whine about "posting personal information online/ I dont have to prove anything" and such other dramatic crap to wiggle out :(( :(( :(( , when your bluff will be called..


suneels wrote:Move on brother and let old war memories lie...they bring out the worst in me
I've been there, bought the T-shirt, wore it and tore it...
This is 2008 and the discussion is Mumbai...


Gee Einstein, it happened when you took your time off to plug your ..encounter's with imaginary Exocets and rhetorical questions about people "seeing blood" .. :lol:


Source :
Tanker Wars: The Assault on Merchant Shipping During the Iran-Iraq Conflict, 1980-1988 (Library of International Relations)
Martin S. Navias, E. R. Hooton

Pg-107

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continued..

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Iran-Iraq War: 1980-1988
Center for Strategic and international Studies

Chapter 14: The Tanker War And The Lessons Of Naval Conflict - Anthony H. Cordesman and Abraham Wagner May 01, 1990

PDF : Page 13
Figure : 14.3

The Pattern of Attacks By Nature of Attack System
Year Air Launched Systems Helicopter Missiles Rockets Mines Unknown Total Attacks
Missiles Rockets Bombs Launched From Grenades
Missiles Ships Gunfire from Ships
1984
Iraq 35 - - - - - 2 16 53
Iran (18 ) - - - - - - 18
Total 52 - - - - - - 16 71
1985
Iraq 32 - 1 - - - - - 33
Iran (10 ) - 3 - - - 1 14
Total (42 ) - 3 - - - 1 47
1986
Iraq 52 4 1 1 - - - 8 66
Iran (9 ) - 26 4 1 - 5 45
Total (65 ) 1 27 4 1 - 13 110
1987 (To October 12, 1987)
Iraq 57 - 3 - - - - 2 62
Iran - - - 1 14 34 8 5 62
Total 57 - 3 1 14 34 8 7 124
Total: 1984 to 1987
Iraq 176 4 5 1 - - 2 26 214
Iran (37 ) - 30 18 35 8 11 139
Total (217 ) 5 31 18 35 10 37 353


All 33 accounted for ...
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby wamanrao » 16 Dec 2008 07:13

This is such a pointless pi$$ing match. Many here, I am willing to bet, are uninterested in who has seen "action" and who is the "mythbuster" and other assorted things. Take that offline please - just a request.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby John Snow » 16 Dec 2008 07:17

Ha this is how India functions, just discussions veering off tangentially, even in Indian associations geared to service, the same trend follows. Ending mine is bigger than yours or mine is mota your's is a chota.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby shiv » 16 Dec 2008 07:19

Hmm- I would really be happy to see Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan logging on to BRF and asking "Which punk wants to question my credentials" and make a list of the number of bullets he took through his chest in 2008 before boasting of having been there, done that, worn and torn that T-shirt.

However the best among us don't do that - or don't need to prove their credentials in front of an anonymous bunch of internet monkeys.

However - in keeping with our reputation as a collection of inexpert internet simians who need be told of real personal valor - WYSIWYG :roll:

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Tilak » 16 Dec 2008 07:22

Apologies for the OT posts.. folks.. :oops:

wamanrao wrote:This is such a pointless pi$$ing match. Many here, I am willing to bet, are uninterested in who has seen "action" and who is the "mythbuster" and other assorted things. Take that offline please - just a request.


Point taken, and apologies especially for disturbing, your daily "reading experience".

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Tilak » 16 Dec 2008 07:34

Nepal denies arresting Ajmal Kasab in 2005
Monday, December 15, 2008 14:33 [IST]

Kathmandu: Nepal's home ministry Monday rejected the claim by a Pakistani lawyer that Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the only terrorist to have been captured alive after the Mumbai attack last month, was arrested in Kathmandu in 2005 and handed over to the Indian authorities.

"We have no such information," home ministry spokesman Nabin Kumar Ghimire told IANS.

The denial came after a Pakistani lawyer, C.M. Farooque, claimed that Kasab had gone to Kathmandu "before 2006" on a business visit when he was arrested by Nepal police and handed over to India.

The lawyer also claimed that nearly 200 Pakistanis were held along with Kasab in a secret detention place so that they could be used to serve some "ulterior designs" later.

According to the lawyer, he filed a case in Nepal's Supreme Court asking for their release. The case, according to Farooque, is still being heard with a hearing scheduled later this month when he would be visiting Kathmandu to argue on behalf of his clients.

"The people arrested in Nepal had gone there on legal visas for business but Indian agencies are in the habit of capturing Pakistanis from Nepal and afterwards implicating them in the Mumbai-like incidents to malign Pakistan," the lawyer alleged.

However, Supreme Court documents showed that in February 2007, the Pakistani lawyer had asked Nepal's apex court to free two Pakistanis, Asif Ali and Walid Sajjad, who had been reportedly arrested from a hotel in Kathmandu in 2005.

Indian officials dismissed the lawyer's allegations as "sheer propaganda."

"Kasab's parents in Pakistan have acknowledged him as their son and media reports from Pakistan established that he was recruited from there by the Lashkar-e-Taiba to take part in the Mumbai attacks," a senior official said on the condition of anonymity.

"It's also been established that the attackers came by boat from Pakistan.

"Obviously, the Pakistani lawyer's allegations are sheer propaganda trying to indicate that Kasab came from India."

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Amber G. » 16 Dec 2008 09:36

Okay guys, Don't be too harsh on Paki - There was a candle light vigil in Islamabad, yes Islamabad, a city of 1.5 million people, held in solidarity with the Mumbai attack victims. Organizers sent lot of SMS and emails to have a large gathering and there were less than 15 people who showed up. The fate of another function to deplore the Mumbai attacks organised by another peace activist, Liaqat Ali, in Lahore was no different.

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Voices from Pakistan

A friend recently organised a candlelight vigil in solidarity with the Mumbai attack victims last Wednesday in Islamabad. I received several SMSes and emails asking me to join but I could not go.
I am glad I did not in this cold weather, as less than 15 people in the city of more than 1.5 million turned up to show solidarity with the Mumbai victims. The fate of another function to deplore the Mumbai attacks organised by another peace activist, Liaqat Ali, in Lahore was no different.
One can partly attribute it to the general apathy in Pakistani society in general about any issue, what to talk of one related to India, in this tense situation. Newspapers periodically make fun of civil society demonstrations stating that there were more fancy cars parked at a demonstration venue than protesters but the turnout at these symbolic vigils to show solidarity with the Mumbai victims is still pathetic.
There are a few expressing positive feelings for the victims and this category generally falls in the class that frequently visits expensive restaurants like the ones located in Oberoi and Taj. Many also associate Mumbai with the September blast at the Marriott Hotel. It is possible that more people would have shown sympathy for the Mumbai victims and would have shown solidarity with the people of India at this juncture, if India had not upped the temperature by blaming Pakistan and the ISI.
One may find it hard to believe but a sizeable section of the educated class in Pakistan seriously adheres to the view that 9/11 was the product of a Zionist-cum-CIA conspiracy to malign Muslims, and consequently to topple the Taliban and Saddam’s regimes.
I thus found it hard to convince a friend, a senior executive in a multinational, while the Mumbai holdup was continuing, that the attacks were unlikely to have been perpetrated by RSS, VHP or BJP.
This line of reasoning is becoming more prevalent, with the Pakistani electronic media taking the lead in forming it. It must again be stated here that we never see the Pakistani media adopt this attitude when an act of terrorism takes place in India, and it can thus be described more as a reaction to the perceived Indian media hype against Pakistan.
Public opinion is growing for a call to ask India to extradite Colonel Srikanth Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya Thakur (arrested in connection with the Malegaon blasts) for being responsible for killing Pakistanis in the Samjhauta Express blast (February 18, 2007), and other Muslims elsewhere in India.
This is a reaction to the old Indian demand to hand over 20 terrorists said to be living in Pakistan.
Indian news channels are not shown on cable television anywhere in Pakistan, although the entertainment ones are widely watched and admired. And it goes without saying that people, notwithstanding the hype, regularly continue to watch Indian soap operas and movies on TV and their DVDs. Despite lacking access to news channels, it is widely reported by all local TV channels that the Indian media started to blame Pakistan within minutes of the first attack in Mumbai.
One small TV channel has gone to the extent of constantly playing national and martial songs sung by Noor Jehan during the 1965 War, which the majority of Pakistanis feel they won. India attacked Lahore on September 6, 1965, and this day is celebrated as Defence Day and a national holiday.
The most popular TV channel other than the government owned PTV as it is a terrestrial channel, is Geo, owned by the Jang Group of Newspapers. Its viewership is said to total that of all the other channels put together, except PTV. Geo News has been constantly covering the Mumbai attacks for the past few days, blaming the Indian government for failing to anticipate it, and mishandling the rescue operation.
Clips about the Mumbai police running from the Victoria Station are being shown and the likes of Hamid Gul, former ISI chief, and Shirin Mazari, former DG of the Institute of Strategic Studies, can be seen and heard on almost all channels.
There is hardly a person on the talk shows who even alludes to the likelihood of the Indian claims of the involvement of Pakistani militants being true. The Mumbai attackers are classified by these hawks as either being Indian Hindu militants, or maybe Indian Muslims, but never Pakistanis.
A lot is made of one of the militants seen in a photograph with an orange thread tied to his right wrist. Pakistanis do not generally tie such threads; and it is thus taken as clear evidence that the attack was by a non- Muslim group. They find it hypocritical that the Indian media has not picked this up at all. Or they accuse it of deliberately ignoring this pointer.
Mercifully, the country has not yet started air raid rehearsals, but it is in martial mood, although almost everybody believes that there won’t be war, thanks to the American presence. It is a sad reflection on the state of Indo-Pakistani relations that we are proud of our status as nuclear powers, but unable to sort out our differences bilaterally. Our leaders hug and indulge in double-handshakes in front of cameras but react emotionally at the first tense moment.
Dr Mubeshir Hasan, a well-known peace activist associated, with the non-governmental Human Rights Commission and India Pakistan People’s Forum, is of the opinion that “the peoples and the governments of India and Pakistan are well on their way to improve relations between the two countries. There are hiccups now and then but they will be overcome. The two governments face insurgency situations, and as such are not in full control of the elements who take up arms against their own state or other states.” He is obviously an optimist! Thomas Friedman recently asked an interesting question in an article in The New York Times. How would the Pakistanis or, for that matter, the Muslim world have reacted if the attackers had been Hindu militants, and the venue Karachi instead of Mumbai? You need not waste time trying to calculate the reaction, as Muslims would have reacted, even if not on the streets. This is a basic problem in trying to improve relations between the communities.
Relations can only genuinely improve when people of the Muslim community, or the Hindus, for that matter, regard the others as enjoying the same rights and being part of the overall community going by the name of humans. When the tsunami hit parts of Southeast Asia and South Asia on December 26 2004, common Europeans gave millions in charity during the Christmas festivities that year, without pondering for a moment if the victims were Muslims, Hindus or Christians. We in South Asia would be eligible to belong to the civilised world when we in Pakistan genuinely sympathise with the Mumbai victims, and the Indians do the same with the Gujarat or Orissa riot victims. Mahatma Gandhi could do it. Why can’t we?
About the author:
Anees Jillani is a prominent Pakistan Supreme Court lawyer

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby shiv » 16 Dec 2008 10:34

Amber G. wrote:Okay guys, Don't be too harsh on Paki - There was a candle light vigil in Islamabad, yes Islamabad, a city of 1.5 million people, held in solidarity with the Mumbai attack victims. Organizers sent lot of SMS and emails to have a large gathering and there were less than 15 people who showed up. The fate of another function to deplore the Mumbai attacks organised by another peace activist, Liaqat Ali, in Lahore was no different.

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Well the Pakistani establishment has missed a golden chance to appear humane and sympathetic as opposed to jihadic and killigionist.

In an establishment organized meeting such as this there would have been hundreds of young Pakis at such a gathering. In this case it was obviously organized by a person without official sponsorship.

But here's a prediction. in order to soften its image the Pakistani establishment jackasses with Kiyanahi and his cofarts at the helm will suddenly realise what donkeys they have been and organize another candle-light vigil, with music and tears to show that "Pakistan too is a victim of terror". This will be huge and will have Western media lifafas in attendance

Someone wake me up as soon as that happens so I can have a laugh and point out that you heard it here first.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby RayC » 16 Dec 2008 10:50

Zardari admits terrorists operating in Kashmir
http://photos.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=143775

He has also called the Indian air incursion as technical.

His statements are surely not pleasant in the land of perpetual denial!

Could it be that this is his way to indirectly hit out at the Army and the ISI and reduce their hold and bring democracy on top?

He has much against the ISI and the Army.

Maybe he has organised the media on his side where the media now are 'singing' and stating that Kasab is a Pakistani.

Maybe he has told the foreign leaders to build up pressure on the Army and ISI - Gordon Brown, Dr Rice and now Colin Powell in the Zakaria GPS and Powell is a soft on Pakistan otherwise!

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Amber G. » 16 Dec 2008 11:00

Shivji - I don't know if one should laugh or cry but take a look at random picture from the news in Paki protest -
Picture
The guy carrying that green mizzile is something.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Kanson » 16 Dec 2008 19:56

Link
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K Shankaran Nair who succeeded Rameshwarnath Kao, the founding father of RAW, as its chief has recently written a book “Inside IB and RAW: The Rolling Stones that Gathered Moss” narrating his experiences. Morarji Desai who became prime minister in 1977 was out to wreak havoc not only on the Gandhi family but also on the top civil servants and intelligence officers. The late PM's policies had a serious impact on intelligence collection and operations.

His hatred for the head of the premier intelligence organization can be seen from the excerpts of the conversation which appeared in the book Inside RAW by Asoka Raina.
M. Desai: I believe RAW was involved in the internal affairs of the country during emergency.

Nair: No Sir. That is not correct, all were external operations.

MD: But your activities were highly immoral, highly irregular.

Nair: These are RAW’s external operations, sir….

MD: This does not reduce the immorality – stop operations you are handling at present.

Nair: If we do that, sir, some of them might mean a loss of faith in our promises and in the credibility of the government.

MD: I do not care. Stop all operations and also reduce the RAW strength by 50%.


This resulted many an operations being aborted and operatives compromised. One such was “Tiger” Siddiqui of Bangladesh who felt betrayed. Mr. Nair is reported to have remarked that Morarji Desai was the greatest enemy of India’s national security. Pakistan certainly would have celebrated on that fateful day.

This act of Desai was nothing short of treason for which he ought to have been severely punished.


You know, why sometimes it not wrong to call the politicians as .........

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby p_saggu » 16 Dec 2008 20:06

I will give Kasab lifer and not death: Jethmalani

Now Puleez keep this shark Jethmalani away. Because the next thing we will hear in court will be,

"My lord, I intend to prove in this court of law that this henious killing spree was not done by my client, but by a tall sardarji"


:roll:

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby enqyoob » 16 Dec 2008 20:24

I was the pilot of the Mirage 2020 that fired all those Exocets. 8)

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby SaiK » 16 Dec 2008 20:27

http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/16/stories/2008121655681000.htm
Hawk with transmitters found in Gujarat ..The security agencies, however, are keeping their fingers crossed till the report came from the FSL .

q. how did they train the hawk to go a certain direction of human interest?

this is interesting.. something we need to learn.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby krishnan » 16 Dec 2008 20:28

p_saggu wrote:I will give Kasab lifer and not death: Jethmalani

Now Puleez keep this shark Jethmalani away. Because the next thing we will hear in court will be,

"My lord, I intend to prove in this court of law that this henious killing spree was not done by my client, but by a tall sardarji"


:roll:

"He is a young man who has been indoctrinated. Had I been the judge I would not have ordered to hang him. I would have given him life imprisonment. So that he realises that his fate is in the hell of Indian jails and not in the paradise as the Mullahs might have convinced him," Jethmalani said.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby SaiK » 16 Dec 2008 20:34

But in loving India I do not hate Pakistan. http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/16/stories ... 110900.htm

may be the answer to the larger context lies in the negation.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby achit » 16 Dec 2008 20:58

SaiK wrote:
But in loving India I do not hate Pakistan. http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/16/stories ... 110900.htm

may be the answer to the larger context lies in the negation.


from the article
...I am convinced that the attacks are further evidence that the partitioning of India and Pakistan has proved a tragic mistake. It was prompted for laudable reasons — to protect Muslims from Hindu dominance — but it caused the death of millions in the greatest migration in human history, and 60 years on what has it achieved? Two nations — three including Bangladesh, which gained independence in 1971 — whose leaders have shed blood and spent billions fighting each other while their people have starved and suffered....


well he think this was laudable

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby ramana » 16 Dec 2008 21:08

I had predicted that Kasab's Lawyer would be Ram Jethmalani quite few pages back!

8)

This charltan did the most damage to the NDA govt while being part of the cabinet by blocking many legislative moves wiht one excuse or the other. The BJP never understood his motivations and kept going along.


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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Chellaram » 16 Dec 2008 21:20

edited...

thanks ramana!
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby ramana » 16 Dec 2008 21:21

I dont think so. I suggest you are sterotyping folks. Jethmalani is a FHL. He hasnt seen a criminal who wanst suffering from society oppression. As for LKA there were reasons for his statements in TSP. He needed to assure the US that NDA wouldnt go after TSP hammer and tongs.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby shiv » 16 Dec 2008 21:26

edited....


Durgesh - I think you are an idiot. I believe that you need to lose a place that you have or a voice that you have so you learn what it feels like to lose something that you want.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby NRao » 16 Dec 2008 21:27

Folks,

It would be nice, and make it easier to read a post, if we all can put what is in an article with quotes.

Thx.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby SaiK » 16 Dec 2008 21:51

silence of the conspirators
if bollywood doesn't take it, hollywood will this time.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby Vikram_S » 16 Dec 2008 22:08

pakistanis keep claiming that since kasav wore orange band he must be hindu.

news reports clearly mention kasav took band from MV kuber where crew was killed.

but even if pakistanis dont believe that then here is another pakistani with "orange band"

is shoaib akhtar now "hindu zionist"

Image

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - IV

Postby SaiK » 16 Dec 2008 22:20

well the idiots say it, and you guys take it at face value. huh! citizenship and states doesn't go by what people wear and how and what they do. It goes by their identity to being either born or domiciled.

please..


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