Delhi for Northvsudhir wrote:Why is Bengaluru being pointedly ignored? Is it that the chennai NSG can provide them adequate cover or what?raghunath wrote:NSG hubs at Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata & Hyderabad
exactly, leaving NE out of the net is another stupid decision.Singha wrote:the eastern hub should be in GAU because the maoist/islamist friendly WB Govt is not under much threat. kolkata is kept quiet as a place to infiltrate from BD, medical care, and R&R spot.
afair, there has never been a significant terrorist attack on CCU right?
I assume it is Kolkotta airport.Rahul M wrote:exactly, leaving NE out of the net is another stupid decision.Singha wrote:the eastern hub should be in GAU because the maoist/islamist friendly WB Govt is not under much threat. kolkata is kept quiet as a place to infiltrate from BD, medical care, and R&R spot.
afair, there has never been a significant terrorist attack on CCU right?
what is CCU btw ?
what is 'waste bengal' (sic) ? if we as Indians can't spell our provinces' name correctly what right do we have to question outsiders when they misinterpret us ?But there is also talk of the "Maharashtra Security Guards" and the "Waste Bengal Security Guards".
are you sure? Mumbai police commanders seemed to be following a plan in terms of response if you read the various articlesaditya wrote: When the terrorists struck, there was no standard operating procedure in place.
are you sure? The situation was being handled by the Mumbai police - they escalated up the command chain, NSG was alterted and Marcos being nearest were brought in to contain the terrorists until NSG could arrive. Regular army, RAF and others arrived later - you saw them arrive on the TV news - they were securing the perimeter of the hotel. No plan?As a result, the first forces on the scene were a mishmash of Mumbai police + Navy commandos + army commandos + CRPF/RAF.
really? It seems that apart from letting the satyameva jayate media wallahs in too close, the rest of the operations in the hotels and the post CST chase down of the two terrorists was being handled methodicallyThey had no clue how to proceed,
well, what can i say, everyime these things happens - gora loge tell us how they are so much better, what to do? We are shivering in our dhotis onlee. If you read the reports from other security professionals (London and Sydney come to mind) none said that their cities would have been able to cope with this terrorist strike scenario.causing an American security expert to state that they didn't seem to be trained "as well as" Western forces
mmm... like the Marcos and NSG for example?In such a situation, the only forces who should have been present are those that are trained to deal with these situations.
and you know they didn't do this because...?The forces who turn up should be armed not only with weapons but also with the mandate and authorizations to proceed automatically UNLESS specifically instructed not to do so.
mmm... who would you call? Ghostbusters?In this case, it appears the army and Navy were called simply because there were bases nearby. In the normal course of things, they had no business being there.
now there you do have a pointIt is ludicrous that the transport issue for the NSG wasn't dealt with earlier.
because in a country the size of India (like the US) - having a city based SWAT capability is not a bad thing - and can do the job (as per interview with gora security loge) of fixing the terrorists in place quickly and holding fort until the dedicated unit gets there.Now there is talk of distrubuted NSG hubs across the country. But there is also talk of the "Maharashtra Security Guards" and the "Waste Bengal Security Guards". If one has the "MSG" and "WBSG", why does one need the NSG distributed across the country? In fact, why does one need the NSG at all?
have you?Has any Babu thought these things through?
each of these "hubs" will be full fledged NSG baseIs it possible for the NSG commandos in the hubs to keep the same level of training that they get at their home base? It seems very unlikely to me, though not impossible.
this is on BR itselfThe initial aim was to raise a force on the lines of the German GSG-9, but given India's size and population it was realized that a force structure that could cater to India specific requirements was necessary. In fact, it was thought prudent to have three different regional units for local action, rather than have a central force that could be transported to the trouble spots as and when required. This never happened and the NSG remained a Delhi-centric organization.
as in the khan bahadur's swat? no that is not correctaditya wrote:As a result, the first forces on the scene were a mishmash of Mumbai police + Navy commandos + army commandos + CRPF/RAF.
people are used to john rambo movies where american hero goes in with machine gunSingha wrote:because they didn't respond with the same level of aggression
please read up a little bit before coming here to vent. for instance
in columbine, two squads of swat officers took a considerable amt
of time to even enter the school let alone do a search of the premises because someone told them in passing there were "snipers on the roof" and "multiple armed people" roaming around inside (what did they expect -a old lady with a croquet mallet?).
meantime , people lay bleeding inside while the swat boys "supported each other" and crept around outside in broad daylight.
i just read on wiki about columbineSingha wrote:because they didn't respond with the same level of aggression
please read up a little bit before coming here to vent. for instance
in columbine, two squads of swat officers took a considerable amt
of time to even enter the school let alone do a search of the premises because someone told them in passing there were "snipers on the roof" and "multiple armed people" roaming around inside (what did they expect -a old lady with a croquet mallet?).
meantime , people lay bleeding inside while the swat boys "supported each other" and crept around outside in broad daylight.
Eshwar wrote:All the cities chosen are in UPA/Congress ruled states.
shaardula-saar,shaardula wrote:Ok. Here is what bothers me about Roy, Mishra et al,.
Its a lofty goal, but I think that we have to start with small steps.SaiK wrote:as long as NSG can reach the destination in less than 30-45 minutes, it should be ok. i guess, the future is more towards distributed security setup.. hence state govts local units should take up NSG commando training to hold up till the NSG unit arrives. Its mandatory, that all cops go thru NSG training, and minimum hours per month/year.
nice going there pondicherry.. they train their cops in commando fighting, but unfortunate they have to do the traffic management as well.
Being in Bombay at the time, and following the news, the death of the 3 top cops, was the single biggest psychological blow, more than the burning of the Taj. For the first time, in Mumbai, I was worried.Brilliantly eloquent article in Outlook titled "An Open Letter To Arundhati Roy". The writer needs personal warm accolades from Rakshaks. Read it in full, I am posting snippets.shaardula wrote:Ok. Here is what bothers me about Roy, Mishra et al,.
Abhinav Kumar is a serving IPS officer. Though these are his personal views, he hopes that they also reflect the anguish of an entire fraternity of proud Indians in uniform
I had no idea that you held a brief for all those who never felt anything at all not just for India in particular, but who also actively profess violent rage at the shared values of the entire human race.
The creation of a hated outsider, in the case of Kashmir, the Indian; in the case of Raj Thackeray, the bhaiya of UP and Bihar; and in the case of the jihadists, anyone and everyone who does not subscribe to their virulent strain of Islam, including Muslims, is common to all these ideologies but you seem to pick and choose the bigotries you will demonize and the bigotries you will defend.
In your world view, the wrongs of Indian security forces of the last twenty years, and the failures of Indian state craft before it, are sufficient justifications for Kashmiri grievances, just as the wrongs of Babri Masjid, the Mumbai riots of 1993, the Gujarat riots of 2002, will justify Islamist terror against India.
By this logic, the Crucifixion of Christ amply justifies the Holocaust. We non white societies must all be allowed eternal rights to slaughter the Europeans for the sins of colonialism and slavery. Islam itself had a long history of violent conquest and forcible conversions, perhaps that should justify an eternal crusade or dharmyudhh against Islam? The Greeks and Romans have their own scores to settle with the Christian Church. The Latin Americans have their own grievances with Spain and Portugal.
Seen this way, human history is merely a parody of the eternal theme of perpetrators and victims, and all present violence, no matter how barbaric or senseless, can be justified with reference to some past grievance....The only thing is that after this bloody book-keeping, there may not be anyone left to enjoy the fruits of such a 'just' society.
Even the most rabid of the Hindutva forces do not see the world united under the saffron flag by force of arms, as is the Islamist project of one world under the Green Crescent, or the Naxal project of one world under the Red Star.
One could indeed forgive you, Ma'am, if you were purely an artist. ... But in your avatar as a public intellectual, you cannot abandon your commitment to the demands of truth, accuracy and the ability to discriminate between the varieties of human experience and action. The liberties you have exercised in the past and continue to do today, however gratuitously and offensively, do not exist in a vacuum. I am not sure if any of these liberties would have a place in a Naxalite Utopia or a Jihadi Caliphate or even in a self-determined Kashmiri paradise that you eloquently espoused.
To call the foreign funded insurgency in Kashmir and the terror attacks across the country as justified blowback for the failures of the Indian state and civil society is both false and callous. It implies a failure of the imagination and the intellect and the complete abdication of moral responsibility by you.
good wordspranay wrote: As i see it... all the cities are in India.
Need to do away with slicing & dicing Indians depending upon the political parties in office in each state.
Can you kindly not type as if you are sending an SMS message or writing poetry? It makes it hard to follow. Thanks.Vikram_S wrote:good wordspranay wrote: As i see it... all the cities are in India.
Need to do away with slicing & dicing Indians depending upon the political parties in office in each state.
but can you tell the center this
right now bangalore is the most vulnerable city after mumbai
chennai at least has command force
bangalore has nothing
and hitting bangalore gets more jihad points than hitting chennai thanks to IT tag
see hamid gul claims
23 Dec 2008, 0123 hrs IST, TNN
NEW DELHI: The US has endorsed the evidence gathered by Indian agencies about the complicity of Pakistan's state actors in the terrorist attack on Mumbai, in what can result in stepped up international pressure on the Zardari regime to take action against the mentors of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Top US intelligence official John Michel McConell is learnt to have expressed complete satisfaction with the strength of India's case against Pakistan, based on FBI's examination of call records of satellite and cellular phones used by Mumbai attackers and their Pakistan-based handlers.
McConell confirmed that one of the numbers logged on the satellite phone the terrorists used while navigating their way to Mumbai belonged to known Lashkar terrorist Abu Al Qama. Indian intelligence officials are familiar with the satellite phone that Qama uses. The US, using its leverage with Sharjah where Thuraya is headquartered, corroborated this fact, and also the fact that Qama was passing instructions to the attackers from Pakistani soil.
India's case about the Pakistan hand has also been borne out by the data the Americans retrieved, using their superior technology, from the damaged mobile phones used by terrorists while they were carrying out the massacres in Taj and Trident hotels. The phones had got severely damaged in the fire that broke out during the gunfight.
"We are committed to get to the bottom of this case," US officials are learnt to have told their Indian counterparts during their interaction spread over 48 hours.
The Americans are planning to confront the Pakistanis, still in denial mode, with the evidence that their own investigation has thrown up. Sources said the UK has also passed on electronic intercepts, described by a senior source as "one clinching piece of evidence", to India.
McConell, along with FBI officials who have been camping in India in connection with the probe into 26/11, has held meetings with home minister P Chidambaram, national security advisor M K Narayanan and senior Indian intelligence officials.
Indian experience with the US intelligence agencies has so far not been satisfactory, with the latter winking at evidence against Pakistan because of its dependence on Islamabad for success in Afghanistan. Indian agencies, however, feel that the response could be different this time because of the fact that Mumbai casualties included US nationals.
The FBI is mandated to take the probe to the logical culmination, which will include charging the names of Lashkar leaders and their collaborators in ISI that come up in the probe.
ddm reporting from i slam a bad!?India yet to share info on attacks: Interpol
Islamabad, PTI:
India has not yet authorised its investigators to share information regarding the Mumbai terror attacks with the Interpol, the chief of the Paris-based global police agency said here on Tuesday.
“To date India’s government has not authorised India’s police agencies to enter any data relating to the recent terrorist attacks in Mumbai in Interpol’s databases,” Interpol Secretary General Ronald K Noble told reporters.
“No information has been shared. We are hopeful that it will happen very quickly,” he said after a meeting with Pakistan’s Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik. An Interpol incident response team had been deployed in India to gather evidence and information to be shared with police databases around the world. Interpol has so far gleaned information only from the media, Noble said.
“Interpol’s instant Response Team was deployed to India several days ago with the goal of gathering evidence and information which the Interpol could put in police databases that will be acceptable to Pakistan and all other countries around the world,” he said. “So far no names have been provided by Indian police and India’s law enforcement authority or the government of India to Interpol to enter in its databases for Pakistan or any other countries to determine whether or not they have information or link to those individuals,” Noble said.
He said Interpol had not received any information that would allow him to comment on the accuracy of media reports about the nationality and identity of the attackers.