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from top to bottom, this entire govt is full of idiots.

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index ... mitstart=1
Is anyone listening?

Centre repeatedly rejected requests for coastal security

* On April 4, 2003, the Gujarat Government sends a Rs 371-crore five-year plan to the Centre to secure the 1,600 kmlong coastline.
* In 2004, the UPA comes to power and seeks a revised coastal security plan from the Gujarat Government. Accordingly on May 30, 2005, the Gujarat Government sends a revised plan of Rs 321 crore.
* The UPA truncates the plan and approves a Rs 58-crore plan that envisages setting up of 10 police stations which Gujarat has already implemented.
* Realising that Rs 58 crore is inadequate to guard the coastline, the Gujarat Government forwards another plan of Rs 219 crore for Centre’s approval which is rejected.
* On July 5, 2007, the Gujarat Government sends a letter to the Centre requesting it to reconsider its decision. It receives a reply stating that the plan hasn’t been accepted and will be considered only in 2010.
* In April 2008, L.K.Advani meets the PM and requests that Gujarat Government’s plan be reconsidered.
* On July 17, the Gujarat Government requests the Centre for reconsideration instead of waiting till 2010.
* On November 21, the Centre again turns down the proposal saying that it will be reconsidered only in 2010.
talk about political behavior. this is why i said the mrca and all other "nda" deal were also affected. the lesson of 1999 and 2002 made nda take strong line on security, all those lesson were put into toilet by the UPA congress. what a fall from indira gandhi to these idiots in present congress and we are paying the price.
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why we all love barkha dutt
http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/index ... y=Personal Choice&contentid=21594&contentid=21594
Sabina died because of Barkha Dutt who on live tv informed everyone that she is in sixth floor of hotel ?

Media should highlight this issue, so in future no one dares to repeat it again. Because of Barkha today we lost one of the most admirable journalist of India.


Please don't edit this message, let's the truth come to fore.
mera vatan
December 07, 2008
I completely agree with Mera Vatan. I sent a similar mail to NDTV and it was not published - even after resending three times. I thought that there was a mistake but realised that NDTV wanted to hush it up.
I thought I was crazy but thank you mera vatan for writing this.
Barkha asked for her exact location and it was the sixth floor that was gutted. Being from the media in Dubai, i would like to add that all my media friends here noticed the same mistake from Barkha. So even if she pretends that it did not happen, it did.
It was a chilling moment for me, when I was watching the TV in Dubai.
Till then I thought of her as THE Barkha Dutt. The next few days revealed how she was so enamoured of her image that she did not realise what she was doing - like asking people waiting for their loved ones - what do you feel right now. What did you expect them to feel Barkha?
She has however written an epic defense of why she did what she did. NDTV has published most of the fan mail and some of the angry mails.
But not an apology for her biggest error in a time of crisis.
Funny, that when TV is so critical of mistakes and shoves the mike in the face of people during interviews, they do not like to face up to their own mistakes.
They are hounding the navy and the politicians and talking of failure of bulletproof vests but not the fact that their group editor behaved like a rookie journo!
Vasu on the other hand with Prachi did a good job covering the situation.
SNK
December 07, 2008
so now we know why barkha dutt wrote that "defence" on ndtv, a lot of fellow journos must be knowing the truth.
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more on the great lady.
The dumbest question ever asked... Barkha Dutt to Shantanu Saikia - "What have you been telling your kids about their mother?" Shantanu broke down on hearing the question and Barkha has the shamelessness to say, "I hope we haven't upset you with these questions."
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bangalore has units of karnataka state police equipped with ak47 rifles
and trained to a higher std. there were some public show of force after
26/11. some of them might be deployed to north karnataka to cull maoists.
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krishnan wrote:kolkata airport = CCU = Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport
IATA: CCU, ICAO: VECC

Should we not be using ICAO designations if at all? :)
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nobody has a clue on icao names here. most can recognize iata though.
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As per today's HT in Bombay, 6 months back, the Coastal Police was asked to stop patrolling the Eastern end of the harbour, which is where Badhwar Park falls. The patrolling there was taken over by the local, ill-equipped Pandus.
The Coastal Police are equipped with automatic weapons, and are fairly well trained. They continue to patrol the western part of the harbour.
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http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1216345

Breaking news: Ajmal may tell his tale on TV
Baljeet Parmar
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 01:16 IST

If all goes well, the world may soon get to see Mohammed Ajmal Amir live on television, narrating details of his role in the Mumbai terror attacks.

According to a source, a decision to present Ajmal on TV was taken at a high-level meeting attended by senior intelligence and Union home ministry officials in New Delhi on Tuesday.

The source said this bold gambit was being planned to counter the stubborn denials of the Pakistani establishment about Ajmal’s nationality. “We have done everything to prove his nationality, but the Pakistanis are in denial mode. We provided proof of his place of birth, his parental home, his training schedules, mentors and co-conspirators, but the other side says that is not enough,” said a senior intelligence officer.

“We then submitted a letter written by Ajmal himself, that too in Urdu, the language he knows, to the Pakistan government, but we are yet to receive a response. If this option too fails to move the Pakistanis, we have only one channel open to us and that is producing Kasab live on TV channels across the world.”

The officer said Indian agencies already possess recorded confessions of Ajmal, but his appearance on TV may give the authorities the opportunity to present more details to nail the Pakistani lies.

The source said the entire conversation will have English transcripts running on the screen so that the entire world can listen to the terrorist’s revelations. Maharashtra’s director-general of police (housing) SS Virk believes that presenting Ajmal on TV would work in India’s favour. “When the world watches him telling the name of his village, his relatives, mentors, and other minute details like what his younger sister used to like or dislike, it will not only look authentic but will move audiences to form public opinion in India’s favour,” Virk said.
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^^ Presenting him on TV can prove to be the double edge sword.What if he retracts on live TV saying watever he said is under the torture and spins it into some other brilliant story for the consumption of conspiracy theorist muslims with in india and pakistan as happened in malegaon case.Remember wat happened there with media conducting trial everyday implicating the accused even in samjhuta express and ajmer and hyderabad mecca masjid blasts case and which was never proven but as of today conspiracy theorist like Ameresh misra etal. blame it on hindu zionist including the present mumbai attack.presenting kasab on tv interview, in my opinion, can prove to be another strategic blunder blunder by mumbai police as in malegoan case and can result in another witch hunt.Dont mind but people in india have in bred tendency of doing self goals.
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Singha wrote:bangalore has units of karnataka state police equipped with ak47 rifles
and trained to a higher std. there were some public show of force after
26/11. some of them might be deployed to north karnataka to cull maoists.
even mumbai had some like that. none of them were in town when attack occurred.
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Presenting him on TV can prove to be the double edge sword.What if he retracts on live TV saying watever he said is under the torture
IIRC, it will be put on air only after suitable vetting..

Of course, it is beyond me as to what is achieved by putting him on air when the people who need to know already know the whole charade.:-?
No one can wake up a guy pretending to be asleep....
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on TV doesn't necessarily mean live.
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So Pakistan is waiting on India to prove that the group of Terrorist err.. "Actors of a State unknown" (who performed in Mumbai recently) are from Pakistan and that the "Directors of said Actors and the rest of the cast are resident in Pakistan.

I would like to know what the Pakistani investigations into the attacks have uncovered or will Zadari give out a lame duck excuse such as " India should know that it is impossible to investigate ones self"
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to quote from article.
If all goes well, the world may soon get to see Mohammed Ajmal Amir live on television, narrating details of his role in the Mumbai terror attacks.
Anyway it will be another circus on TV with all p-sec like Roy,teesta etc coming out of wood work after that.hope interviewer is not rajdeeep,barkha,karan thapar and likes of them.
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it could be live like xinhua, with 8 minute delay :)
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I am waiting to see the hordes of desi wimmens and Editors of The Hindu going ga-ga about the TFTA poor, tortured herrow. Like the ones who kissed the Musharraf-e-Gola in the infamous Agra Dog Feeding.
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Since we all love Madame Arundhati, let me devote this post to her highness. Take it FWIW.
Suzanne Arundhati Roy: The Goddess of Big Lies
Great Literary Frauds of Our Time
By John Dolan

FRAUD #1 Suzanne Arundhati Roy: The Goddess of Big Lies
And she is a fraud. A literary careerist who has parlayed an overwritten melodrama into unearned fame; a child of privilege whose early experiments in poverty were no more than a smart career move; a Yuppie whose real job was aerobics instructor, not slum bottle- recycler; a world-travelled, overeducated dilettante posing as a
regional writer; and a fake saint who BLEEPed her way to fame and survives, in spite of her complete lack of talent, because her crude scolding warms the heart of old British lefties who love it when their
tame Indian slaves get up on their hind legs to denounce the bloody Americans, who oppress the world so much less skillfully than they used to.

Her most public, most embarrassing slip came in her noble struggle against the dam. She was given a three month jail sentence for obstructing the builders. Gandhi-like, she went to jail…then slunk out after 24 hours, opting to pay a 75-rupee ($1.50) fine rather than show solidarity with the humble prisoners. It seems she found an Indian prison much less spiritual than she had imagined. Rather dirty, in fact. 24 hours was just time enough to be photographed behind bars, looking fierce and defiant; after that there was no point in staying in such an unsanitary place :lol: .
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Antulay is the Simi Garewal of Indian politics - MJ Akbar
There is, or should be, a well-defined line in media between the liberty of impression and the freedom of expression. Both are privileges of
democracy. Liberty of impression is the exhilarating-frightening roller coaster on which public discourse rides. Freedom of expression is cooled by the sprinkle of judgment, a mind that sieves speculation, allegation and accusation from the end-product that appears in print or on air.

There is outrage against the television coverage of Mumbai terrorism because television celebrities surrendered their judgment before the rising demand for hysteria. There is no supply without demand. The very audiences that sucked out hysteria from cable are now howling against its perpetrators. It is a human instinct to develop instant amnesia about one’s mistakes and sharpen knives with the vigour of humbugs the moment a scapegoat has been identified. The viewer is now seeking absolution through anger.

But the information market has been flooded with toxic weed. Hysteria is not the exclusive preserve of audio-visual junketeers. From the moment the terrorist violence hit Mumbai, much before the course of events evolved into a pattern, some sections of the Urdu press began pumping up circulation figures with fantasy fodder, in the shape of conspiracy theories, to a readership in search of denial. The conspiracy-in-chief was that this mayhem was nothing more than a plot to sabotage the investigation that ATS chief Karkare was conducting into the Malegaon blasts. The death of the police officer was declared instant martyrdom.

News media operates within a triangle of customer, producer and politician. A clever politician is a master chef in cooking up a broth of impression and expression. Since the customer is also a voter, the politician panders to street opinion by lifting it into the loftier realm of Parliament or television studio. The very act of transference gives implicit legitimacy to fantasy fodder.

Abdur Rahman Antulay is not in search of truth. He is in search of votes. He has become the Simi Garewal of Indian politics. Garewal saw a Pakistani flag fluttering on every Muslim housetop in Mumbai. Antulay sees a vote beyond every Muslim doorstep. Garewal was blinded by a low IQ. Antulay has turned myopic because one eye is stupid and the other cynical. But that is his secondary medical problem. His primary disease is cancer of the vote-bank.

If you want to understand Antulay’s and, by extension, the Congress’ compulsions, then take a look at an SMS I received on December 1: “Congress has been wiped out in Dhule corporation election. It could get only 3 seats out of 67.” Dhule is barely fifty kilometres from Malegaon. More than 30% of its electorate is Muslim.

As the minorities minister with the unique distinction of having done absolutely nothing for minorities, Antulay and his party face a meltdown in Maharashtra. If they cannot get even Muslim votes, they can forget about power and pelf in Delhi. He has therefore chosen to feed the Muslim with the comfort food of conspiracy theories, in the hope that this will drug him to the point where he loses his bearings until the April-May elections.

Will this succeed? Perhaps. It has succeeded before. But take a look at another SMS I received, announcing a meeting of the Maharashtra United Democratic Convention at Birla Matushri on December 17. An experiment for the consolidation of the Muslim vote was begun in Assam under a similar banner and did well in the last assembly elections. It has 11 MLAs and came second in some two dozen constituencies. Maulana Badruddin Ajmal Qasmi promised at the Mumbai convention that an MUDF would set up candidates in every constituency in the next assembly elections. Its aim would be to defeat both the Congress and the BJP. He warned the Congress, which had got the Muslim vote in the state for six decades, that the days of bondage were over, and the Muslim vote had grown up: it was not going to be satisfied with toffee anymore.

It is a long journey from desire to destination. There will be pressure and deviation; some attempts to purchase some leaders will possibly succeed. But such language has never been heard from a Muslim platform in Maharashtra.

Simi Garewal sees a Pakistan where there isn’t one. Antulay will not see a Pakistan where there is one. But Simi is a fringe factor; Antulay sits on centrestage. Antulay is a Cabinet minister, who has provided sustenance to those Pakistanis who are trying to fool us into believing that the terrorism in Mumbai was an instance of Indian security failure rather than an invasion sponsored by Pakistani elements.

I am amazed at the sheer gall of both the spinners in Pakistan and the Antulays in India. They seem to forget that there is a Pakistani canary sitting in an Indian jail, singing out the plans, preparations and objectives. Nine dead men and their masters are being exposed by the tenth man, the man who did not die.

If this is the state of deception and self-deception when one terrorist has been caught, what would have been the level of denial if all ten had died?


Cynicism is a staple of vote-driven politics. We all know that. I was naïve to believe that our nation’s security would remain outside the reach of cynicism.
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Non Sequitor op-ed by MJ Akbar. if his point was to attack Antulloo then why does he bring in Simi Garewal? Total bakwas and trivial.
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The spin has just got murkier:
Indian arrested in connection with Lahore blast
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/25i ... -blast.htm

"The accused was identified as Munir alias Satish Anand Shukla, a resident of Kolkata," TV channels quoted police sources as saying.
Some of the reports claimed that the arrested had earlier worked with the Indian High Commission in London.
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ramana wrote:Non Sequitor op-ed by MJ Akbar. if his point was to attack Antulloo then why does he bring in Simi Garewal? Total bakwas and trivial.

The pseudo seculars are shell shocked. They thought that she was one of their own!
Poor Simi, she has desperately tried to backtrack on many a fora. The long knives are already out.
She has broken her own rice bowl.
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ramana wrote:Non Sequitor op-ed by MJ Akbar. if his point was to attack Antulloo then why does he bring in Simi Garewal? Total bakwas and trivial.
Read it again. If it is obvious to me, should be easy for you. This has a good description.

shiv ji:

I did not enjoy your pictures linked in this thread. The people of the Armed Forces deserve respect even if the politicians do not. Just does not feel right.

Perhaps the frustration of inaction is affecting your perspective?

(for post below)
Rahul M:
If these are public domain pictures from different news media, then is it a big deal? I clicked on one or two and was depressed to see the pictures. The message could be sent in a different, more direct way instead of this disrespectful manner.
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vikram, that's a hint NOT to post actual pics of forces' movements.
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Rahul M wrote:vikram, that's a hint NOT to post actual pics of forces' movements.
Correct. Thanks. In fact detailed movements of the Indian armed forces can be obtained here, but better not to post it in the Pakistan thread so that Pakistani lurkers don't find out. :mrgreen:
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Elections are over in J&K today and so did congressi jokers (mms, sonia and pranab) stop their threat to pukistan for war !
Not only they have proved them selves the best 'circus recruits' but also have given Indian public such a shameful image before the world, that will be hard to forget.
These bunch of co**heads have given more pain to Indian public than what terrorists have given us and yet they are winning elections !
Bravo Indian democracy !
Ever wondered why leaves are cancelled for armed forces till APRIL ?
why not till May or February or March?
Only a war tempo will be created till April (when parliament elections are due) and then mumbai carnage will be cremated subsequently with no time lost !
A threat by puki rat to strike India with in minutes and pranab mukherjee has disappeared from media forever ! :twisted:
That rat couldn't come out to say that a strike on India would only warrant 'converting pukistan into ash' before that minute is over. Where that MF has gone?
Where is Mr AK Antony who faints while taking salute from forces?? Missing George Fernandes?? :roll:
Have you seen our defence minister on any media channel lately? :cry:
And what about Dr Manmohan Singh who should be calling himself 'Baniya Manmohan Singh' as sikhs would refuse to accept him as SIKH !
Shame on those who have given votes to congress to bring them to power !
BJP was never that bad !
They had to compromise with nation's degnity during kandahar or what else they could do?
Here is a good read on kandhahar episode.....
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Manmeet wrote:Elections are over in J&K today and so did congressi jokers (mms, sonia and pranab) stop their threat to pukistan for war !
Not only they have proved them selves the best 'circus recruits' but also have given Indian public such a shameful image before the world, that will be hard to forget.
These bunch of co**heads have given more pain to Indian public than what terrorists have given us and yet they are winning elections !
Bravo Indian democracy !
Ever wondered why leaves are cancelled for armed forces till APRIL ?
why not till May or February or March?
Only a war tempo will be created till April (when parliament elections are due) and then mumbai carnage will be cremated subsequently with no time lost !
A threat by puki rat to strike India with in minutes and pranab mukherjee has disappeared from media forever ! :twisted:
Have you seen our defence minister on any media channel lately? :cry:
And what about Dr Manmohan Singh who should be calling himself 'Baniya Manmohan Singh' as sikhs would refuse to accept him as SIKH !
These spineless politicians (especially our spineless PM) have let us down terribly. :cry: It sometimes feels an embarrassment to be an Indian citizen today. :cry:
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What went wrong: The inside story
What went wrong: The inside story
Shishir Gupta

The Intelligence failure in the run-up to the November 26 attacks and the crossed wires during the 60-hour siege: Shishir Gupta reconstructs

A day after P Chidambaram took over as the Union Home Minister, National Security Advisor M K Narayanan, Home Secretary Madhukar Gupta, Intelligence Bureau Director P C Haldar and Maharashtra Director General of Police A K Roy met in his chamber to discuss the Mumbai Terror attacks. Roy is said to have told them that the public was “extremely angry” and that India should militarily retaliate against Pakistan in order to teach them a lesson.

Later that evening, the top bureaucrats, without the minister, assembled again in Gupta's room. With the NSA listening, Roy asked Haldar why the November 20 intelligence alert on a Lashkar-e-Toiba ship, given to the Coast Guard and Naval Headquarters, was not passed on to the Mumbai Police. Haldar bluntly replied that the Mumbai Police could do nothing on the high seas, clearly indicating that the Navy and the Coast Guard had failed to deliver.


The alerts sent by the IB in the past three years to the Mumbai Police and the action taken were again discussed threadbare at a meeting in Nagpur on December 19 between Roy, newly sworn in Maharashtra Chief Minister Ashok Chavan and State Home Minister Jayant Patil. There was concurrence on the need to have a high-level inquiry, which could be headed by R D Pradhan, who was home secretary under former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi, with V Balachandran, former special secretary of the Research and Analysis Wing, and Ajit Nimbalkar, former Maharashtra chief secretary, as members.

What is evident in the flurry of meetings, from New Delhi to Nagpur, is the growing realisation that on November 26 night, all systems that could have prevented a 26/11 failed.

INTELLIGENCE

Even on the morning of 26/11, a communication asking for activation of 10 SIM cards was picked up by the R&AW on the Bangladesh border. Intelligence agencies failed to decipher its significance. At 9.21 pm, the attack began

IB chief Haldar and his R&AW counterpart Ashok Chaturvedi failed to act on the top-secret alert (see the scanned document below) sent to then Maharashtra DG P S Pasricha on November 20, 2007. Haldar wrote to Pasricha that reliable inputs indicated that the LeT was planning a major terrorist strike and the action might involve “fidayeen attack, stand-off firing and use of grenades”. Even though the exact target had not been disclosed, he added, the operation could involve taking hostages. Asking the DG to sensitise his officers, Haldar promised to revert “as soon as” more information was available. Even as Special Director, Multi-Agency Centre (MAC), Haldar had written to Pasricha on August 7, 2006, and given details of specific targets in Maharashtra.

However, Haldar never reverted back to Pasricha, despite the promise, till four days after the Marriot Hotel bombing in Islamabad. On September 20, 2008, Joint Director (MAC) IB Ashok Prasad alerted the Maharashtra DG (the scanned document on top) that the LeT was planning an attack in Mumbai and identified Taj Mahal Palace Hotel, Vallabbhai Patel Stadium, Sea Rock or Taj Land's End Hotel, Mumbai Juhu airfield and JW Marriot Hotel as likely targets.

The scene now shifted to Delhi and the US, through established intelligence channels, alerted R&AW Joint Secretary A K Dashmana in a November 18, 2008, meeting that an LeT ship was trying to infiltrate into Indian waters. It also gave latitudinal and longitudinal coordinates of the vessel. This input was passed on to the IB for dissemination to the respective agencies. Joint Director Prabhakar Alok forwarded the input to the Naval Headquarters and the Coast Guard for action.

While the Naval Headquarters never passed on the intelligence to its sword-arm, the Western Navy, the Coast Guard launched a search for the suspected LeT vessel on November 21 dawn. As the provided coordinates by the US Intelligence put the vessel 20-30 miles south of Karachi, the Coast Guard never found the ship. Its officers not only wrote a letter to IB Joint Director Alok but also called him up in a bid to get more intelligence. Alok promised to revert, but like his boss never did.

Even on the morning of 26/11, a communication asking for activation of 10 SIM cards was picked up by the R&AW on the Bangladesh border. Intelligence agencies failed to decipher its significance. At 9.21 pm, the attack began, with Ajmal Kasab and Ismail Khan opening fire at the CST Terminus. The Mumbai Police top brass was at the time making their way to Oberoi Trident to attend a wedding.

POLICE

A price was paid for the division of authority between the Mumbai Police Commissioner, who was absent from the command centre, and the DG, who is in-charge of the state but not the city

Almost around the same time, there was another high-level meeting on at another place in the city. The then Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad Chief Hemant Karkare, DG Roy and the then state Home Minister R R Patil were discussing the sensitive Malegaon blast investigation. Around 9 pm, they called it a day. Karkare called up home to say he would be back in time for dinner, while Roy left to pick up his wife for the Trident wedding.

While they were on their way to the hotel, Roy got a call from a friend at Masala Kraft restaurant in the Taj Palace Hotel saying that there was firing outside. The DG immediately alerted DCP (Zone I) Vishwas Nagre Patil to reach the spot and take control as it could be gang warfare. The friend again called up, and this time the DG could hear the continuous burst of fire on the phone. Roy decided to give up the plan to go to the wedding and returned to the headquarters. Here all top state officials except that of the Mumbai Police were watching the action on TV in his room, along with Home Minister Patil.

Roy called up the Mumbai Police Commissioner’s control room, only to find that Joint Commissioner (Crime) Rakesh Maria handling the operations and Police Commissioner Hasan Gafoor were not there. By now, reports of firing were pouring in from CST Terminus, Cama Hospital, Taj Palace, Nariman House and Trident Hotel. With Gafoor parked inside his car outside the Trident, the command and control of Mumbai Police response had collapsed, with few ready to take orders from Maria and Roy not in charge of the city.

The city and the country paid heavily for the division of authority between the Mumbai Police Commissioner and the DG on that day as the two for the past decade have had a separate police communication network, budget and operational control. Even the annual confidential report of the Mumbai Police Commissioner is written by State Additional Chief Secretary and not by the State DG.


The decision to withdraw AK-47 assault rifles from the police inspectors, taken by Roy as Mumbai Police Commissioner three years ago, also proved disastrous. All that the Mumbai Police had in response to the LeT's artillery was assault fire and grenades of World War II vintage, .303 Lee Enfield rifles, .38 bore revolvers, 9 mm pistols and lathis.

Only Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte had got an AK-47 issued from police armoury that day. When he came face to face with the terrorists along with encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and Karkare, he fired twice at Kasab but missed narrowly. Not wearing the state-of-the-art bullet-proof headgear he had got from Kosovo, he was shot dead along with his two colleagues. It was around midnight that Maria and Roy realised the situation had got out of control. Maharashtra Chief Secretary Johny Joseph was requested to seek commandos and the NSG for help.

Given the cost of the breakdown of coordination that day, the state Government is now mulling putting the Mumbai Police Commissioner under the direct control of the state DG. This was given in-principle clearance at the meeting in Nagpur last week, but will become operational only after the three-member inquiry committee has submitted its report.

So, on 26/11, barring constable Tukaram Omble, who took Kasab’s five bullets in his chest to arrest him, and a handful of officers, the Mumbai Police was found woefully wanting. This set the stage for the Army, Naval Commandos (MARCOS) and the NSG to enter the theatre of operations.

ARMY, NAVY AND NSG

Marcos first refused to enter the hotels without state authorisation, then claimed to have killed two terrorists inside Taj within hours of starting operations. That information was totally false

The first to be called for commando help was Mumbai Sub-Area Commander Major General R K Hooda, who in turn informed the Maharashtra Government that he did not have any Army commandos with him. So what the public saw in the early hours were only Army footsoldiers on peripheral duties and not crack troops.

On November 26 midnight, Joseph called up Western Naval Commander J S Bedi for marine commandos as well as NSG Director J K Dutt in Delhi. It took another two hours for MARCOS to finally arrive. Although the Navy denies it, MARCOS refused to enter the Taj or Trident without written authorisation from the state Government.
After the matter was sorted, two columns (seven each) of MARCOS entered the Taj and the Trident complexes. With the NSG team headed by a Brigadier still on its way, having had to arrange an IL-76 aircraft from Chandigarh to fly them and then Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil, the MARCOS made it officially known that they had killed two terrorists at the Taj complex between 4-4.30 am.

This information was totally false and it is still not clear whether the MARCOS engaged the enemy directly on that day. The NSG landed at 4.20 am on November 27 and took over the operation at 9 am as the MARCOS refused to function under the NSG Brigadier. In fact Army and Navy officers further complicated matters by going live on TV channels while the fire-fight was on. Southern Army Commander Noble Thamburaj talked about a dozen terrorists being present in the Taj to the media even though he had no direct knowledge of the operations. General Hooda, the Sub-Area Commander, played to the gallery while the MARCOS projected itself as Rambo.

Neither did NSA Narayanan, who was out at a party that fateful day, nor the then chief minister took matters in their control. Shivraj Patil was in Mumbai only for a few hours during which he announced that terrorists had run away.
A month after the Mumbai massacre, during which IB operational chief D K Sinha and R&AW Joint Secretary J S Khanna were in constant touch, a number of questions remain unanswered:

• Identity of the local contacts of the terrorists who helped the LeT identify the targets, including Nariman House? Past three year records of all the Taj and Trident Hotel employees have revealed nothing.

• Is there an al-Qaeda link to the Lashkar attack as for the first time Jews were slaughtered?

• Identity and location of the controller talking to the two Taj Palace terrorists? The controller virtually gave away his location when the terrorist asked him, “Wahan kitne baaje hain?” The VOIP call was traced to West Virginia and then lost.

• Were there 15 terrorists in total with five following up in another boat? The hunt is still on. The track back device in the used GPS was set for K T Bandar near Karachi.

• Who is the owner of ship Al Hussaini?
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After a tense month, here is some thing to enjoy....
Indian ships enter territorial waters of bangle desh :D
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Image from the IE story by Shishir Gupta:

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Rishi wrote:Image from the IE story by Shishir Gupta:

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Basically
Congress government knew about it, Maharashtra government knew about it, Shiv Raj Patil knew about it, Prime Minister knew about it. In any other nation all the above responsible people will be tried for treason, charged with aiding and abetting murder. Their punishment under IPC is Death by Hanging till dead. But again we are nation called India. Nothing changes here. This is a land of Gandhi......<fill in the blanks>
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The above one should be printed in Midday and not IE. This should be published in every non-English language press and that will definitely have impact. This is something like the Bofors docs published by Chitra Subramaniam. The Governement has to go. So clear intelligence and no-action.

Who put it out and Why? Someone is seriously working against UPA from inside.
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Baljeet wrote: Basically Congress government knew about it, Maharashtra government knew about it, Shiv Raj Patil knew about it, Prime Minister knew about it. In any other nation all the above responsible people will be tried for treason, charged with aiding and abetting murder. Their punishment under IPC is Death by Hanging till dead. But again we are nation called India. Nothing changes here. This is a land of Gandhi......<fill in the blanks>
There is something that went wrong. They were expecting it a month before and then the attack got delayed as Kasab also confirmed. The real issue is why did the TSP delay the attack? Were they tipped off that India was alerted? Or was the earlier tipoff to India a false alarm? IOW someone told them(GOI) about the attack and the other side was also tipped off. And then the real one was launched later.

its not like IB and RAw are slef divining. Looks like they depend on morsels cast their way US after Gujral killed their capabilities.

Another thing about the coordinated of the LeT ship being close to karachi? Why did the Coast guard send a ship instead of one of those Dorniers? Were the Dorniers grounded? Off course the ship wont be ther when they reach it by sea!
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How many more such attacks and plans originating from TSP (I don't know the full form) are we supposed to thwart ?
It seems to be a loosing and tiring ( observing the incidents throughout last 3 years) battle against those fundamentalists.
Its time we build up credible deterrence. So that those people think 10 times before planning any mischievous adventure against India. You know what I mean ?

Simultaneously we need to work on wiping out the root cause of terrorism.
its not like IB and RAw are slef divining. Looks like they depend on morsels cast their way US after Gujral killed their capabilities.
Can you give some example of how did Gujral killed the capabilities of IB and RAW ?
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nsa_tanay wrote: Can you give some example of how did Gujral killed the capabilities of IB and RAW ?
Indias inability to do anything in pakistan is an example
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2008/12 ... ml?_r=1&hp

Some re-alignment of forces across the border...
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The popular narrative is that because Pakistan feels insecure w.r.t. India and Afghanistan (e.g., see the C. Christine Fair article mentioned on another thread) it has this strategy of using militant organizations.

For an insecure nation, Pakistan is rather aggressive, I would have to then conclude. If insecure means "afraid of a war" or "worried about not being left in peace", with 1948, 1965, Kargil, N terrorist attacks, I would wonder how the insecurity is manifesting itself.

Whatever afflicted Alexander the Great, it was not insecurity. The Pakistani state is a wannabe ancient Macedonia, without the military genius or the technological edge required to be a conqueror. Insecurity my foot!
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deshgujarat.

Answer Pakistan back in a language that it understands:Modi
By our correspondent
Ahmedabad, DeshGujarat,25 December, 2008

Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday advocated tougher stand against Pakistan.

Talking to Etv Gujarati Modi said “Terrorists who attacked Mumbai were Pakistanis, they came from Pakistan, they used Pakistan’s port and ship, this clearly means that it was Pakistan’s attack on Mumbai. India should answer Pakistan back in it’s own language. India should answer Pakistan back in a language that it understands. Pakistan already has waged war, we just have to continue it, we should just stop keep talking.”

Earlier on Wednesday, talking to Supreme court’s bar association representatives Modi said “Terror attack on Mumbai was a war. It is unfortunate that the central government is neither taking it as a war nor they have yet answered Pakistan back.”
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Modi for PM.
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its not like IB and RAw are slef divining. Looks like they depend on morsels cast their way US after Gujral killed their capabilities.
Oh come on a lot of water has flown since then both NDA and Kangress had enough time to put things right. Plus do we have the will and the balls for hardnose knuckle fight,hound them in their caves. We know the whole dawood family plus tiger memon et all are there from so many years, take Prabharakan who was resposible for RGs death.
We truly are a soft state.
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