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Strat Dec 31...reports. Anyone think that Lakhvi will NOT be extradited...I think it is inevitable.
Pakistan: Under Heavy Pressure From U.S.
December 31, 2008 | 2025 GMT
The United States is placing “tremendous pressure” on Pakistan to extradite Lashkar-e-Taiba’s operations commander, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, to India, Press Trust of India reported Dec. 31.
Pakistan: Under Heavy Pressure From U.S.
December 31, 2008 | 2025 GMT
The United States is placing “tremendous pressure” on Pakistan to extradite Lashkar-e-Taiba’s operations commander, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, to India, Press Trust of India reported Dec. 31.
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Most probably Lakhvi will be disposed off.
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found an interesting quote :
Eugene V. (Victor Debs) Rostow (August 25, 1913 – November 25, 2002), influential legal scholar and public servant, was Dean of Yale Law School, and served as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs under President Lyndon B. Johnson.
in ref to terrorist attacks on Israel from syria.Eugene Rostow put it more succinctly to Ephraim “Eppy” Evron, the minister at the Israeli embassy in Washington.“An attack from a state is an attack by a state,” he said.
Eugene V. (Victor Debs) Rostow (August 25, 1913 – November 25, 2002), influential legal scholar and public servant, was Dean of Yale Law School, and served as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs under President Lyndon B. Johnson.
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Israel took care of that state.Rahul M wrote:found an interesting quote :in ref to terrorist attacks on Israel from syria.Eugene Rostow put it more succinctly to Ephraim “Eppy” Evron, the minister at the Israeli embassy in Washington.“An attack from a state is an attack by a state,” he said.
Eugene V. (Victor Debs) Rostow (August 25, 1913 – November 25, 2002), influential legal scholar and public servant, was Dean of Yale Law School, and served as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs under President Lyndon B. Johnson.
India is no position to do the same at this point in time.
India has NOT EVEN taken care of D-Company WITHIN India !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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indradhanush wrote:Please let me know if this could be a solution in fight against Paki terrorism ;
http://bhartendusinha.wordpress.com/200 ... terrorism/
It will NOT matter.
MOST of non-military productivity within Pakistan belongs to the Military! The military will force the civilians to get a loan from a world entity and then have the civilians pay it back.
The issue with Pakistan and its terrorism is the Pakistani Army and ISI. They MUST come under civilian rule OR the country needs to be broken up - specially Punjab and Sindh. No two ways about it.
For that I think India needs the help of other countries that have been reluctant to allow such a move. I have said this for a long time ........... the only way I see is that Pakistan (being foolish) will shoot herself in her foot often enough to kill herself. And, that is about what is happening.
Indian leaders - IMHO - are impotent - no matter which party.
The idea of bringing India under the Islamic umbrella will NOT go, so, we have to make it burn up slowly, not allow it to come to a boil. For that one reason alone Pakistan has to go.
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I note that several people were killed earlier today in a terrorist attack in Guwahati, a major city that still, however temporarily, happens to be in Northeastern India.
There was not even a breath of concern about "response to terrorism:.
So let me write this Epitaph for the Indian Response to Terrorism Thread:
NO DISRESPECT INTENDED AGAINST ANY ELECTED OPHISHIALS ONLEE!

There was not even a breath of concern about "response to terrorism:.
So let me write this Epitaph for the Indian Response to Terrorism Thread:
Mumble mumble Great Sardar
How I admire your Sarkar
So generous like Sonia Gandhi
In loving the terrorists in 'Pindi
NO DISRESPECT INTENDED AGAINST ANY ELECTED OPHISHIALS ONLEE!


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Sardar’s Sarkar gone to Rice
Cooking in the kettle as she is
Pounding from the Israelis
Said she can’t take no more
Spilled to Hillary all that is
Not a word of India she said
Sardar cant make head or tail
Missed a period in a month
Lets abort Sonia mused
So be it Mam said Sardar
Not a thought of nation
Crossed his mind
Two hundred less a billion
Not a number that is big
to get him off his slumber!
Cooking in the kettle as she is
Pounding from the Israelis
Said she can’t take no more
Spilled to Hillary all that is
Not a word of India she said
Sardar cant make head or tail
Missed a period in a month
Lets abort Sonia mused
So be it Mam said Sardar
Not a thought of nation
Crossed his mind
Two hundred less a billion
Not a number that is big
to get him off his slumber!
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US gives up softens stand on Pakistan
The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/02/top1.htm
The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/02/top1.htm
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An interesting idea. Here's a post that takes this a bit further...and very briefly mentions your tactic as well.indradhanush wrote:Please let me know if this could be a solution in fight against Paki terrorism ;
http://bhartendusinha.wordpress.com/200 ... terrorism/
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 57#p594057
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for a moment, let us assume that India is 100% islamic nation under sharia law, so how does the world become a different place...indians attacking arabs and bringing the custody of the holy mosques under indian control...arabs forced to serve as servants to indians...all those horny arab babes beautifying the indian harem...india heading OIC...BRF becoming islame-e-hind-lashkar-forum...NRao wrote: The idea of bringing India under the Islamic umbrella will NOT go, so, we have to make it burn up slowly, not allow it to come to a boil. For that one reason alone Pakistan has to go.
all brfites having four arabic wives and 48 jehadi sons..none will get time to post anything...

on our loans, we shall be paying "profit" in place of "interest"...pakistan and bangladesh will join the greater Hindustan...we will again rule from afghanistan to indonesia...

iranians will be delivering crude and gas free of charge ...amerikhans will be soiling their trousers in front of hindustan...chinese will be facing islamic terrorism in tibet and xing-xiang...

london will become londonistan...lockheed martin and boeing and EADs and dassault will go bankrupt due to lack of business...
all bollywood houris will be clad in shuttlecock burkas...

islam will then take over europe and hindustan will be the defacto ruler...
al sauds will work as guards at presidential palace , delhistan....

israel will become greater palestine....

now all the other mullahs can put their scenario foward ...but one thing is for sure...india under islam does not bode well for arabs...

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durgesh, that's a BR classic ! 

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superb...Allah ho akbar...what do we need to do to make this happen!?!
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Next they will deliver F-16s and request the Pakistanis to reprimand the guilty.indradhanush wrote:US gives up softens stand on Pakistan
The US administration is now urging Pakistan to ensure that those responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks are punished inside the country instead of being extradited to India, US sources told Dawn.
http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/02/top1.htm
Having said that - if Pakistan takes any action against this Lakhvi dude it will mean
1) Action on unkil's orders
2) An admission of possible guilt
3) Pakistan being cowed down by India/Unkil pressure
Pakistan will do nothing.
But it remains to be seen how much Lakhvi will be able to do after this.
However, Dawood is another matter. He can do things because he has Indians in his pocket, including Mumbai politicians and police.
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Well, we know, from the example of Omar Saeed Sheikh, what the Pakis will do, if forced to act under duress.
Last we checked, Daniel Pearl remains unavenged yet, while Omar Sheikh is happily living it up on the Paki "death row", where the supply of cell phones and fresh goats is plentiful, and his death sentence appeal hearing has been postponed 500,000,000 times. This might indeed be a reason why Lakhvi is so willing to "sing" to his Paki mentors...
Last we checked, Daniel Pearl remains unavenged yet, while Omar Sheikh is happily living it up on the Paki "death row", where the supply of cell phones and fresh goats is plentiful, and his death sentence appeal hearing has been postponed 500,000,000 times. This might indeed be a reason why Lakhvi is so willing to "sing" to his Paki mentors...
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it's very simple...BJP just needs to bring in a bill in the parliament declaring India as the Islamic Republic of Hindustan and Islam should be the one and only religion in India...Congress ,CPI,CPM,SP,BSP all will be forced to vote for this bill...after all this is what they wish to do...Singha wrote:superb...Allah ho akbar...what do we need to do to make this happen!?!
BJP will change its name to Hindustan Muslim League ...

Narendra Modi will become Nirajuddin and the defacto President of Islamic Republic of Hindustan...
A committee will be setup to study Quran and Hadith ...which may decide to allow a mujahid to have 72 (arabic)wives...if a mujahid has to get them after shahadat, he must have them in this life so as to become proficient at handling 72 houris...
all hindustanis ,suffering from different kinds of loans will relieved of their loans after a friday evening prayer to "Allah- The Merciful"...Hindustan being home to the world's biggest muslim community and the most advanced islamic nation militarily and scientifically, all the arab states will accept the rule of Hindustan or else will be attacked...they must pay ZAZIYA to Hindustan for their protection...Dubai will be made the Winter Capital of Hindustan as Delhi gets too cold and foggy...
Hindustan will get its well deserved place in the world ummah ...
in words of yash chopra " When India met Islam, HINDUstan will never be the same'"..

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thats sort of how things were during the Mughal times...Rahul M wrote:durgesh, that's a BR classic !

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Durgesh's idea is indeed a classic and as Lalmullah points out, India has done a variation of this in the past. In fact that is why Pakistanis are so sh1t scared of India. The way Pakis want it is:
1) we are the Muslims, in fact the ashraf, the Mughals
2) You are the kafirs and aljaf scum
3) WE must rule YOU
In Durgesh's paradigm this dream becomes a terrible nightmare - like the movies in which horrible slimy monsters come out of toilet bowls and drains.
The Pakis hold up an imaginary version of pure Muslim and then compare it with Indian Muslim and then say "Oh shiite! We can't be this way." And they try and reject all the Indianess they see and now see where they have reached. just look at that buffoon Zaid Hamid.
For Pakis, what is worse than Hindus coming up is the Muslims they left behind somehow beginning to call the shots as Muslims. Pakistan's comfort an joy is only when they can accuse Hindus of fcuing Muslims. If Muslims in India are not fcued and do not appear fcued - Pakistan is toast. Indian Muslims MUST be raped, kiled, looted and suppressed and Pakistan wil fight Hindus for them. And after defeating Hindus - Pakistan will rule Indian Muslims too and show how they are pure and great.
Durgesh's idea is a classic and a great way to start that would be to build a temple to Shiva and just like the little sub-shrines you have in temples - build a shrine to Allah with a little statue of Mohammad bowing and paying obeisance to Allah, and the latter holding a benevolent hand over Mohammad's head, blessing and protecting him. where hindus can do a pooja and say a prayer. Blasphemy be damned.
1) we are the Muslims, in fact the ashraf, the Mughals
2) You are the kafirs and aljaf scum
3) WE must rule YOU
In Durgesh's paradigm this dream becomes a terrible nightmare - like the movies in which horrible slimy monsters come out of toilet bowls and drains.
The Pakis hold up an imaginary version of pure Muslim and then compare it with Indian Muslim and then say "Oh shiite! We can't be this way." And they try and reject all the Indianess they see and now see where they have reached. just look at that buffoon Zaid Hamid.
For Pakis, what is worse than Hindus coming up is the Muslims they left behind somehow beginning to call the shots as Muslims. Pakistan's comfort an joy is only when they can accuse Hindus of fcuing Muslims. If Muslims in India are not fcued and do not appear fcued - Pakistan is toast. Indian Muslims MUST be raped, kiled, looted and suppressed and Pakistan wil fight Hindus for them. And after defeating Hindus - Pakistan will rule Indian Muslims too and show how they are pure and great.
Durgesh's idea is a classic and a great way to start that would be to build a temple to Shiva and just like the little sub-shrines you have in temples - build a shrine to Allah with a little statue of Mohammad bowing and paying obeisance to Allah, and the latter holding a benevolent hand over Mohammad's head, blessing and protecting him. where hindus can do a pooja and say a prayer. Blasphemy be damned.
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lots of hindus do visit the dargah's of muslim holy men to offer flowers and light candles. and this is not just famous ones like ajmer but small scale holy men including one near my house
in gau whose name I cant recall now.
overall if left alone without wahabi machinations/external khujli/kangressi antics, hindus and muslims do get along pretty well...esp the ajlaf types who are mostly 100% converts and retain some hindu practises and cultures. the tfta imported ashraf to some extent are the ones who hark back to mughal rule, turkic glory and arab era.
in gau whose name I cant recall now.
overall if left alone without wahabi machinations/external khujli/kangressi antics, hindus and muslims do get along pretty well...esp the ajlaf types who are mostly 100% converts and retain some hindu practises and cultures. the tfta imported ashraf to some extent are the ones who hark back to mughal rule, turkic glory and arab era.
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Is Maximizing the ability to absorb others (religions, ethnicity...) into our fold the winning strategy for ruling and not merely surviving, then? That such strategy of mixing allows control of process is easy enough to see, but will it allow us to control outcome too? What happens to the Hindu in Durgesh's world is not necessarily what happens in Shiv's world, as articulated above, for example.
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Onlee one weakness in Durgesh's scenario. Uncle will still control the sale of **** and all the Mujaheddeens and Jirga men wont be able to enjoy the full fruit of Jannat in this world.
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Shivji said
A variation of this Sai baba in Shiridi who was a Muslim fakir, with Brahmins co opting him.
Ishwara Allah tero naam sab ko samathi de Bhagwan.
Then extend the same to Yehova next to MD all under one roof

I would add that a brahmin be stationed in that Allah temple with sahasra nama of Mohamad (PBUH) be chanted and arrathi and mithai chadao regularly by the hour.Durgesh's idea is a classic and a great way to start that would be to build a temple to Shiva and just like the little sub-shrines you have in temples - build a shrine to Allah with a little statue of Mohammad bowing and paying obeisance to Allah, and the latter holding a benevolent hand over Mohammad's head, blessing and protecting him. where hindus can do a pooja and say a prayer. Blasphemy be damned.
A variation of this Sai baba in Shiridi who was a Muslim fakir, with Brahmins co opting him.
Ishwara Allah tero naam sab ko samathi de Bhagwan.
Then extend the same to Yehova next to MD all under one roof

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So it seems that Pak has basically said they will not extradite, nor do anything that GOI is asking. What next...can the baboojis do. We seem to have exhausted all peaceful options.
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We can wail and weep around claiming Pak is not following international conventions and then restart the chai-biskoot sessions with Pak as a part of "coercive diplomacy".
Seriously, by saying things which we never had the guts to do, the govt has put itself in a tight spot since Pak will continue cocking a snook at us...

Seriously, by saying things which we never had the guts to do, the govt has put itself in a tight spot since Pak will continue cocking a snook at us...
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India shall go to any extent to root out terror: PM
Like pleading with Congo, Somali and Canary Islands to put pressure on TSP, Mr.Singh?
Like pleading with Congo, Somali and Canary Islands to put pressure on TSP, Mr.Singh?
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I think, UPA govt has no desire or the will to take on Pakistan.In between , they just keep squeaking keeping the general election in mind.The electorate has shown that they donot mind getting butchered by pakis...
All in all , UPA has outsourced the Indian security,pride and right to defend to America in exchange for a nuclear deal.
After sixty years of independence, UPA govt declares India to be a colony of USA.One of the posts in some thread thread " The British never ruled India, they ruled people who ruled India". We can substitute Britain with USA and the equation remains the same.
Now in our national anthem , we shall sing " God Bless Americaaaaaaaa" Long Live the (US) President....
All in all , UPA has outsourced the Indian security,pride and right to defend to America in exchange for a nuclear deal.
After sixty years of independence, UPA govt declares India to be a colony of USA.One of the posts in some thread thread " The British never ruled India, they ruled people who ruled India". We can substitute Britain with USA and the equation remains the same.

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Durgesh, please be politically correct. That should be
Allaaaaaaaah Bless America!..
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When our squealing PM regularly states that "War is not an option", and in the absence of any tough steps against the TSP, there is absolutely _NO_ reasons for Pakistan to address these issues.
This government has shown that it cannot do anything apart from getting down on their knees & begging everyone & anyone who goes past, be it Iran, China, Germany, USA, UK. And with the way things are going, our ballless government looks committed to add the names of states such as Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Somalia, Maldives to this list as well. While we're at it, get hold of a begging bowl too.
The country is being ruled by absolute jokers. These are the same people that refuse to treat our AF personnel at par with IAS/IPS looters. This country needs a revolution, running a democratic form of government in a country where people vote not for national interest but caste, religion & criminal record, is outrageously ridiculous. This nation needs a shephard figure to guide it's cattle like population, with a big stick that goes up their backside the moment they stray off the course. The power must go to a group of dedicated, young nationalistic leaders who are willing to use force not just at our external enemies but internal ones too. The people of India are more or less like a huge herd of cattle, who have been voting wolves into power, what they need is a group of shephards with a stick, to force them to walk in line or face punishment, freedom be damned.
This government has shown that it cannot do anything apart from getting down on their knees & begging everyone & anyone who goes past, be it Iran, China, Germany, USA, UK. And with the way things are going, our ballless government looks committed to add the names of states such as Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Somalia, Maldives to this list as well. While we're at it, get hold of a begging bowl too.
The country is being ruled by absolute jokers. These are the same people that refuse to treat our AF personnel at par with IAS/IPS looters. This country needs a revolution, running a democratic form of government in a country where people vote not for national interest but caste, religion & criminal record, is outrageously ridiculous. This nation needs a shephard figure to guide it's cattle like population, with a big stick that goes up their backside the moment they stray off the course. The power must go to a group of dedicated, young nationalistic leaders who are willing to use force not just at our external enemies but internal ones too. The people of India are more or less like a huge herd of cattle, who have been voting wolves into power, what they need is a group of shephards with a stick, to force them to walk in line or face punishment, freedom be damned.
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This is a waste of time, Pakistan will just give Lakhvi a luxury prison cell and the court will just be a farce. Paki's are experts at deception. Paki govt will protect Lakhvi, I wouldn't be suprised if they release him to go see his family and LeT buddies every week even if he is convicted. You know yindu's are scared to give out their taped convo's coz it will reveal yindu intell apparatus. There won't be much evidence on the plate. Either way India lose. It is time to take action. Targetted assassinations are the only way forward. Strike fear into the heart of every jihadi.
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A picture is worth a thousand words ...this one says it all..


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Chidambaram to visit US with dossier on Mumbai terror
1) Nuke deal
2) Non response to internal (naxals) and external (terrorist) security threats
3) Trying to surrender Cashmere
4) Creating bottlenecks for MRCA, Artillery guns, etc
Our PM has completed his goal for making us subservient to Unkil. What is MMS's grudge against India? In grab of economic growth, he is systematically destroying Indian nationalism?External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee has said India will share evidence regarding the role of Pakistan-based elements with the world community, which he feels should do more to ensure that perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks are brought to justice.
He has said that the international community has not done enough to build pressure on Pakistan in making it fulfill its commitments on not allowing its soil to be used to terrorism directed against India.
The evidence, the Indian Government has put together, includes the confession of the lone Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist held in Mumbai Terror attack Ajmal Amir Kasab.
1) Nuke deal
2) Non response to internal (naxals) and external (terrorist) security threats
3) Trying to surrender Cashmere
4) Creating bottlenecks for MRCA, Artillery guns, etc
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First of all I think it is way off target to pour scorn on PM Manmohan Singh. Come on folks. Look who is pulling the strings. If on occassion we witness the PM making some rather bold statements or even taking bold actions....these must be him acting out of his own conscions (ie rebelling against the string puller). But thats about it. He cannot do any more. The problem as I see it- it is not that the string puller is hell bent on making India a servile nation. On the contrary, the string puller is stuck and confused as to what action to be taken- stuck as the string puller is in the quagmire of the need to catter towards vote-bank politics, preservation of power and the dynastic aspiration and not least to sooth the seething anger amongst Indian public especially the well informed and opinionated public. The string puller probably realized the system inherited has been so weakened and continue to weaken that there is no painless short term solution to the terrorist situation. Every solution is painful.
See the catch phrase "well informed and opinionated". As far as I see it, there is no short term solution vis a vis terror attack in general and "26/11" in particular. The roots may be due to the unnaturally long period Congress held power at the center.
The Congressmen, thought they will be in power perpetually and hence, stream-lined the whole nation into a mold that well suited their power aspirations. Every aspect and facet of the country was disected where needed and patched where needed to build an India that suited the Congress ideological and factional needs. To undo that is not an easy task considering the huge mass of ignorance still prevalent in the country.
As I see it in the general scheme of things, the more educated and informed a person becomes, the more difficult it is to politically manipulate that person. Also, I see a trend towards right of center ideologically speaking among these same demographic segment. Thus it is pertinent and also extremely urgent that the good folks here on this forum and elsewhere who care for Mother India to contribute tirelessly in what small ways they can to help eradicate the mountain of ignorance and illiteracy that still is present in India.
The last thing a Congressman or even a political goonda want is an educated and informed Indian voter. The last thing a Mullah wants is an educated and informed Indian Muslim who has unchained himself from the leash held by the Mullah. As long as ignorance and illitaracy is present, it is easier for Bureauc-Rat Babus, politicos and Mullahs to manipulate and control. Help educate India and from there there will come a long term solution. Unfortunately there is no short term solution.
Avram Sprinzl
See the catch phrase "well informed and opinionated". As far as I see it, there is no short term solution vis a vis terror attack in general and "26/11" in particular. The roots may be due to the unnaturally long period Congress held power at the center.
The Congressmen, thought they will be in power perpetually and hence, stream-lined the whole nation into a mold that well suited their power aspirations. Every aspect and facet of the country was disected where needed and patched where needed to build an India that suited the Congress ideological and factional needs. To undo that is not an easy task considering the huge mass of ignorance still prevalent in the country.
As I see it in the general scheme of things, the more educated and informed a person becomes, the more difficult it is to politically manipulate that person. Also, I see a trend towards right of center ideologically speaking among these same demographic segment. Thus it is pertinent and also extremely urgent that the good folks here on this forum and elsewhere who care for Mother India to contribute tirelessly in what small ways they can to help eradicate the mountain of ignorance and illiteracy that still is present in India.
The last thing a Congressman or even a political goonda want is an educated and informed Indian voter. The last thing a Mullah wants is an educated and informed Indian Muslim who has unchained himself from the leash held by the Mullah. As long as ignorance and illitaracy is present, it is easier for Bureauc-Rat Babus, politicos and Mullahs to manipulate and control. Help educate India and from there there will come a long term solution. Unfortunately there is no short term solution.
Avram Sprinzl
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MMS is a 'South Asian' nationalist. Like westerners who view the region through a colonial lens: poverty, dirt, filth, crowded, religious wars etc; he does not make a distinction between India's struggle to build a civilized democracy based on its Hindu civilizatiolnal underpinnings, and TSP/Bangladesh's Islamo fascist attempt to undo whatever India has achieved. Thus, 'South Asia' is a black box whose internal dynamics need to be modeled to suit western interests. MMS is in synch with this worldview in which TSP's terrorism is part of a larger 'South Asia' problem. Witness TSP RAPE Ahmed Rashid's clever attempt to capitalize on this mindset by suggesting a 'regional' approach to Afganisthan. Hilary Clinto will furiously pursue this theme, and in MMS she will find a willing collaborater. No wonder MMS is the darling of every western leader/intellectual from Bush to Sarkozy to Brown to Pattenmilindc wrote: Our PM has completed his goal for making us subservient to Unkil. What is MMS's grudge against India? In grab of economic growth, he is systematically destroying Indian nationalism?
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MMS is a 'South Asian' nationalist. Like westerners who view the region through a colonial lens: poverty, dirt, filth, crowded, religious wars etc; he does not make a distinction between India's struggle to build a civilized democracy based on its Hindu civilizatiolnal underpinnings, and TSP/Bangladesh's Islamo fascist attempt to undo whatever India has achieved. Thus, 'South Asia' is a black box whose internal dynamics need to be modeled to suit western interests. MMS is in synch with this worldview in which TSP's terrorism is part of a larger 'South Asia' problem. Witness TSP RAPE Ahmed Rashid's clever attempt to capitalize on this mindset by suggesting a 'regional' approach to Afganisthan. Hilary Clinto will furiously pursue this theme, and in MMS she will find a willing collaborater. No wonder MMS is the darling of every western leader/intellectual from Bush to Sarkozy to Brown to Pattenmilindc wrote: Our PM has completed his goal for making us subservient to Unkil. What is MMS's grudge against India? In grab of economic growth, he is systematically destroying Indian nationalism?
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MMS is a 'South Asian' nationalist. Like westerners who view the region through a colonial lens: poverty, dirt, filth, crowded, religious wars etc; he does not make a distinction between India's struggle to build a civilized democracy based on its Hindu civilizatiolnal underpinnings, and TSP/Bangladesh's Islamo fascist attempt to undo whatever India has achieved. Thus, 'South Asia' is a black box whose internal dynamics need to be modeled to suit western interests. MMS is in synch with this worldview in which TSP's terrorism is part of a larger 'South Asia' problem. Witness TSP RAPE Ahmed Rashid's clever attempt to capitalize on this mindset by suggesting a 'regional' approach to Afganisthan. Hilary Clinto will furiously pursue this theme, and in MMS she will find a willing collaborater. No wonder MMS is the darling of every western leader/intellectual from Bush to Sarkozy to Brown to Pattenmilindc wrote: Our PM has completed his goal for making us subservient to Unkil. What is MMS's grudge against India? In grab of economic growth, he is systematically destroying Indian nationalism?
Re: Indian Response to Terrorism after Mumbai
See this editorial in Dawn, it requests Pak govt tocome out of denial mode:
That said, there is an urgent need for Pakistan to decide on the path the country must choose from this point onwards. Reports in the US press that at least one alleged Lashkar-i-Taiba operative currently in Pakistani custody has confessed to his involvement in the Mumbai carnage have not been denied at the highest levels in Islamabad. Foot-dragging will get us nowhere, and we need to explain what headway, if any, has been made in our own investigations. Full disclosure, of course, cannot be expected in a matter as sensitive as the case in hand until every avenue of inquiry has been explored. A progress report, though, is the need of the hour. Otherwise Islamabad will not be in a position to counter criticism that facts are being withheld and we will continue to be deemed guilty until proven innocent. It is said that the US has passed on intercepts of telephone conversations between Lashkar-i-Taiba commanders and militants holed up in a hotel in Mumbai. Given Pakistan’s intelligence resources, it is within the realm of possibility to verify the authenticity or otherwise of these alleged communications. The sooner this is done, and the facts placed before the nation and the world, the better. And if any Lashkar-i-Taiba commander has admitted to his role in the carnage, that confession too should be acknowledged. New Delhi, for its part, needs to provide Islamabad with the ‘evidence’ it claims to have found linking the Lashkar-i-Taiba to the deadly assault.
There will be no loss of face if it turns out that Pakistanis were among the militants who attacked Mumbai. Egged on by India, much of the world believes that anyway. We need to act decisively against militants and terrorists operating from Pakistani soil, not on account of pressure exerted by India or America but because therein lies our own salvation. The enemy within is a far greater threat than any external foe.
http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/03/ed.htm
That said, there is an urgent need for Pakistan to decide on the path the country must choose from this point onwards. Reports in the US press that at least one alleged Lashkar-i-Taiba operative currently in Pakistani custody has confessed to his involvement in the Mumbai carnage have not been denied at the highest levels in Islamabad. Foot-dragging will get us nowhere, and we need to explain what headway, if any, has been made in our own investigations. Full disclosure, of course, cannot be expected in a matter as sensitive as the case in hand until every avenue of inquiry has been explored. A progress report, though, is the need of the hour. Otherwise Islamabad will not be in a position to counter criticism that facts are being withheld and we will continue to be deemed guilty until proven innocent. It is said that the US has passed on intercepts of telephone conversations between Lashkar-i-Taiba commanders and militants holed up in a hotel in Mumbai. Given Pakistan’s intelligence resources, it is within the realm of possibility to verify the authenticity or otherwise of these alleged communications. The sooner this is done, and the facts placed before the nation and the world, the better. And if any Lashkar-i-Taiba commander has admitted to his role in the carnage, that confession too should be acknowledged. New Delhi, for its part, needs to provide Islamabad with the ‘evidence’ it claims to have found linking the Lashkar-i-Taiba to the deadly assault.
There will be no loss of face if it turns out that Pakistanis were among the militants who attacked Mumbai. Egged on by India, much of the world believes that anyway. We need to act decisively against militants and terrorists operating from Pakistani soil, not on account of pressure exerted by India or America but because therein lies our own salvation. The enemy within is a far greater threat than any external foe.
http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/03/ed.htm
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Re: Indian Response to Terrorism after Mumbai
I request the BRFites to start a new thread on "small ways to building a progressive and strong India by a common man" .The small ways ,we can contribute to take our society and country ahead on the road to development as we can not leave it to these traitor politicians and bureaucrats who are just busy filling their coffers.asprinzl wrote: Also, I see a trend towards right of center ideologically speaking among these same demographic segment. Thus it is pertinent and also extremely urgent that the good folks here on this forum and elsewhere who care for Mother India to contribute tirelessly in what small ways they can to help eradicate the mountain of ignorance and illiteracy that still is present in India.
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Re: Indian Response to Terrorism after Mumbai
very easy to pocket a couple of million $$$ for him to write about "2611 jihad strikes mumbai!". lots of money eh!~.. its time GoI take note on these signals, and ensure no body makes money of invaluable life lost.raghunath wrote:Pakistan behind the Mumbai attacks, says Rushdie
Re: Indian Response to Terrorism after Mumbai
They will kill that guy for sure. And claim justice was done.Reports in the US press that at least one alleged Lashkar-i-Taiba operative currently in Pakistani custody has confessed to his involvement in the Mumbai carnage have not been denied at the highest levels in Islamabad. Foot-dragging will get us nowhere,
These Pakis are reinventing the wild west. And applying to Islam.