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26/11 and India’s Pakistan dilemma

Happymon Jacob

From a grand strategic point of view it is in India’s national interest to help Pakistan resolve its terrorism puzzle.

The diplomatic aftermath of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks is being handled by the Indian government in an inept manner. Purposefully addressing the issue of terrorism in the region, and working to halt attacks against India in particular, are clearly in the wider strategic interest of the country and ought to be what the nation should strive towards. At best, however, all that India has managed to do is throw together a muddled ‘shaming campaign’ against Pakistan. India has missed the forest for the trees, and the world has watched it do that yet again. Dealing with Pakistan and its myriad actors in times of tension and crisis demands a more superior level of political imagination and diplomatic manoeuvring than what the Government of India has demonstrated thus far.
Failure of diplomacy

India’s most prominent failure since the catastrophe of 26/11 has been that it has patently failed to make use of diplomacy to ensure that the perpetrators of terrorism in Pakistan are held responsible in an appropriately comprehensive manner. We have failed to de-hyphenate Pakistan from India. In doing so we have failed, once again, to negate the pervasive belief that all that we two neighbours can engage in is immature, tit-for-tat, counterblow relations. New Delhi should have sent high-ranking diplomats and Track 2 negotiators to Islamabad to engage the various actors there. If this were done quietly and deftly, it may have been possible for New Delhi’s mediators to reason with Islamabad and Rawalpindi and to gain acceptance for India’s core argument: that by failing to rein in the terrorists who operate from within its borders, Pakistan stands to lose, and lose much more conclusively than India.

With the friendly Asif Ali Zardari regime more than willing to engage India through multiple-level negotiations, it would have been possible to turn the events of 26/11 into an opportunity to make diplomatic inroads into the Pakistani establishment. That many of the current Pakistani decision-makers, including Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani, have in the past been part of Track 2 dialogues with India should have made New Delhi more open to using this technique. Track 2 diplomacy can work in times of emergency, not just in times of peace.

Instead, India chose to fall into its traditional role of disciplinarian, behaving in such a way as to feed Pakistan’s already significant inferiority complex by getting Mr. Zardari’s regime to back into a corner with its ill-thought-out rhetoric and cumbersome actions. Once on the backfoot, Mr. Zardari (fearing a domestic backlash) was forced to react to, rather than engage with, New Delhi.

Moreover, not recognising the importance of smart diplomacy, New Delhi chose to outsource its responsibility to others, apparently thinking that foreign leaders were willing to do India’s work for it. The current game of brinkmanship between India and Pakistan can only achieve petty point-scoring. Instead of contemplating the downgrading of the diplomatic engagement with Pakistan, India should be focussed on strenuously stepping it up.
Pulp patriotism

The failure of Indian diplomacy to move beyond tit-for-tat point-scoring saw a concurrent rise in media-generated pulp patriotism. Newspapers ran headlines such as “ISI chief summoned to India,” as though Pakistan were somehow at New Delhi’s beck and call. This prompted even the most liberal sections of Pakistani civil society and media to react with anger and in denial. Simultaneously, Mumbai morphed into a celebrity circus thanks to the banter of page-three ‘experts.’ Pop culture personalities and hawkish experts flashed across television screens egging on the Indian government to carry out ‘surgical,’ ‘preemptive’ strikes against Pakistan in order to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure there.

To do so would be to emulate the current disintegration in the Gaza Strip and give weight to the argument that Israel has ‘successfully’ protected itself against terrorism by using precisely such tactics. The reality, however, is that the anti-terror strategies Israel uses are inapt and unsuitable for India. We do not want to find ourselves in the situation that Israel finds itself in today: encircled by disgruntled neighbours whose obvious distaste for the Jewish state does not allow it to have any real sense of security. As a result of its constricted, meandering domestic policies and unstable relations with its neighbours, Israel has isolated itself in its own region. Little wonder, it feels alienated and insecure. Using Israel’s technologies to combat terror is one thing, but following its counter-terror policies and politics is another matter entirely.
Need for a grand strategy

India has not yet evolved a forward-looking grand strategic approach that effectively addresses the question of how to deal with Pakistan. Most of India’s Pakistan policies have been reactionary in nature and serve only to achieve tactical short-term gains. It is thanks to the absence of a grand strategy that during the ongoing India-Pakistan stand-off India has so easily fallen in line with the wishes of the terrorists. These terrorists desire the end of the India-Pakistan peace process, civil society cooperation and media freedom in both countries. Their goal is to increase anti-India feelings amidst the common people in Pakistan and vice versa, and their ultimate aspiration must surely be armed conflict between the two countries, in whatever form. With every passing day, the ringmasters of Pakistan’s terror networks edge closer to achieving these horrifying aims.

To ask an oft-repeated question: what kind of Pakistan does India really want? One that is on the brink of total collapse, split into multiple centres of power, where jihadi terrorism and religious fanaticism rule the roost? Or a stable, democratic and economically powerful Pakistan minus the influence of the military, the militants and the mullahs? For many in India the answer to this question is not as straightforward as it should be. The traditional delusion still exists amongst some that a final victory for India lies in the withering away of Pakistan. Little do they realise that having a nuclear Somalia for a neighbour, as Pakistani peace activist Pervez Hoodbhoy once put it, would not be the end of India’s Pakistan problem, but rather the beginning of India’s woes. India cannot simply attempt to fence its vast borders and hide inside, especially if Pakistan becomes a failed state.

Thus, from a grand strategic point of view it is in India’s national interest to help Pakistan resolve its terrorism puzzle. In order to do that, India needs to behave like a responsible, emergent power and prove that it has the diplomatic mettle to be a great power. Diplomacy is harder to sell in times of crisis than in times of war-mongering. The use of crisis diplomacy requires a strong state and stronger political will. India has to ‘sell’ the use of diplomacy and negotiations, not only to the Pakistani leadership but also to the domestic audience in India. This task is not an impossible one. Crises such as this are a test of India’s strength as a rising power.
Road ahead

Not all is lost yet. We cannot afford to abandon the relative peace and stability that we have achieved vis-À-vis Pakistan in the recent past because of the wounds inflicted by Mumbai. That 26/11 should serve as a reason for India to strengthen its diplomatic footing vis-À-vis Pakistan. India must use more sophisticated and nuanced multi-layered mediation to reach out to the people who matter in the Pakistani state, and the various states within that state. Imaginative, targeted and high-level diplomacy helps in times of crisis: history has proved that time and again. Diplomacy and dialogue may be the road less travelled between India and Pakistan, but now is the time to travel it. India must read the past to understand the future: it must learn to avoid the mistakes of the past when dealing with Pakistan in the present.

(Happymon Jacob is Assistant Professor in Diplomatic Studies at the School of International Studies, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi.)
diplomacy without action is no use... still another article from the same author would say, he never meant that.. multi layer should comprise security forces deployed as well. guns for a gun, though it fires or not, is need of the hour.

GnR sounds a better strategy rather.. Let the ;babooze do the R, while our men do the G. Besides all these, voting public is also aware of the security loopholes and corruptions (see" roots of terrorism intact thread), that should be well kept ahead.. and one of the solid reasons, that we should move away this type of democracy to a policy centric one.

Baboo may come, baboo may go!, our policies must stay, and correcting itself with every elections! men are only chosen to do their job and not to visualize and politicize. Let our politics change for a break!
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What kind of "legal assistance" from Pakistan was Shivshankar Menon talking about during his press conference? :-?

Does the government actually expects Pakistan to prosecute & extradite the perpetrators? And I thought I'd seen it all.
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From rediff:
Now the ball is in Pakistans court
by neutral c on Jan 05, 2009 06:59 PM Permalink | Hide replies

Now the ball is in Pakistans court
Re: Now the ball is in Pakistans court
by Albert on Jan 05, 2009 07:01 PM Permalink
Correction !!

The balls r in Pakistan's court
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Boy, I am waiting to see the theater that TSP will put up in response to the systematic evidence (as if it was required in the first place) presented to them by India. They sure will needle the helpless Indian military/intelligence/security/political/media/diplomatic class, including aam junta like us on BR & a few in India's metros here and there who care, with their customary, in your face, brazen, 'kiss my ass' response poking gaping holes and sounding utterly honest, polished & reasonable in front of CNN/BBC cameras; all the play acting earning them profuse equal equal in diplomatic terms & deserving of an Oscar.

Given TSP is over satiated at the Mumbai success, a temporary respite from the humiliation at the hands of Unkil, over the next few months at least there will be no attack until TSP gets its Indian blood thirst up again (Perhaphs some action in J&K lest India begin to think that its travials there are over). Thus, it would help us BRites reduce our blood pressure by just watching this as a comic drama rather any serious expectation in bringing TSP to justice.
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CRamS wrote:Boy, I am waiting to see the theater that TSP will put up in response to the systematic evidence (as if it was required in the first place) presented to them by India.
They are sending the master to do the job:

Musharraf may visit India this month
Musharraf intends to raise funds for his future political activities from the lucrative lecture, sources said.
I can't believe I'm reading this but we can count on the DDM and lifafa brigade of omlette inhalers to lavish enough funds and fawning on the Butcher of Kargil while he slices the b@lls off our stuttering, mumbling leadership and slaps around Indian self-respect. Can't wait for the spectacle.
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Mush is planning on being the Prez of a United Indo-Pak - a country called Pakistan.
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Can India Emulate Israel's Action In Gaza?
Can India Emulate Israel's Action In Gaza?

By B. Raman

Ever since Israel started its military strikes in Gaza a week ago to put down the acts of terrorism of the Hamas, there have been demands from sections of analysts and the general public in our country that India should emulate Israel and retaliate in a similar manner against Pakistan for its complicity in the terrorist attack by the Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Pakistani terrorist organisation, in Mumbai from November 26 to 29, 2008.

2. Nobody can question Israel's exercise of its right of self-defence to protect the lives and property of its citizens from rocket attacks from Gaza by the Hamas for weeks and months now. As the Deputy Permanent Representative of the US to the United Nations said in a press interview after the US had refused to join in the condemnation of Israel's action by the UN Security Council: "Israel, like all other members of the UN, has the right of self-defence. This right is not negotiable."

3. Like Israel and other members of the UN, India too has the right of self-defence against acts of terrorism emanating from Pakistani territory and sponsored by the State of Pakistan and has the right to retaliate against Pakistan and the duty to do so to protect the lives and property of its citizens.

4. The question is not whether we should retaliate. We should if we want Pakistan and the horde of terrorists nursed by it to take us seriously. The question is whether a direct military strike will be the wise and appropriate way of retaliating against Pakistan or should we do it through political and diplomatic measures, followed by deniable covert actions if those measures do not make Pakistan change its ways.

5. For many years, Israel has been the victim of acts of terrorism by organisations such as the Hamas and the Hizbollah sponsored mainly by Syria and Iran. Its retaliation has been directed against these terrorist organisations and not against their State-sponsors. After the Arab-Israeli war of 1967 and the Yom Kippur war of 1973 Israel has indulged in military strikes in the territory of a sovereign state and a member of the UN only on two occasions---- against the Osirak nuclear reactor under construction in Iraq in the early 1980s and against the Hizbollah's infrastructure in the Lebanese territory in 2006. In the past,Israeli armed forces had operated in Lebanese territory on other occasions too.

6. Its action against Osirak in Iraq was a success, but its action in the Lebanon in 2006 against the Hizbollah was not. Despite its concerns over the nuclear sites in Iran for the production of enriched uranium, Israel has till now avoided any military strikes on these sites despite public pressure from sections of the Israeli people to do so. It did launch an attack on a suspected nuclear site in Syria last year, but as a deniable covert action and not as an admitted military strike. It has also indulged in covert actions against suspected Hamas operatives based in Syria.

7. It is able to indulge in openly admitted military strikes against the Hamas in Gaza because Gaza is not part of any sovereign State. In the past, Israel's retaliatory military strikes have been against terrorist organisations posing a threat to Israeli citizens and property and not against the States sponsoring them. Its actions against States sponsoring terrorism have been in the form of covert actions and not direct military strikes.

8. Practically all States facing the problem of terrorism have a covert action capability because it gives you a third option if political and diplomatic measures fail. If you don't have this capability, the only option you have if political and diplomatic actions fail is a military retaliation, which could be messy when used against a next door neighbour. If you don't use military strikes and if you don't have a covert action capability, the state-sponsor and the terrorists sponsored by it develop a contempt for you.

9. The US has bombed Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan in retaliation for their perceived anti-US acts, but it never does it against Cuba, its next door neighbour. It has declared Cuba a state-sponsor of terrorism and constantly keeps trying to undermine Cuba's political stability and economy, but avoids direct military action against it despite its being a super power because it knows it could be messy.

10. It is hoped the Government draws the right lessons from its dilemma after Mumbai and tries to revive quickly our covert action capability, which was discarded more than a decade ago as an ill-conceived unilateral gesture to Pakistan.
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Saving the homeland

China and Saudi Arabia should not escape the consequences of backing Pakistani terrorism against India, argues
Gautam Sen.

5 January 2009: The notion of defending India is a popular contemporary motif for many, but the prevailing reality of India's perpetual vulnerability exposes it as a hollow conceit. In India, the people who matter are busy defending their private interests. The obscenely rich are primarily interested in becoming even richer, though the all-enveloping squalor of the environment must make escape from it even by helicopter travel between various BMW-style climate-controlled zones difficult. Dominant politicians are almost exclusively preoccupied with being in power and the loaves and fishes of office, which in contemporary India are unrivalled since Shah Jahan miss-spent India's wealth building a mausoleum and Robert Clive committed robbery on a grand scale. Their political underlings scramble for crumbs, in exchange for displays of obeisance that even the gods must envy. The modern bureaucrat has eagerly clambered on to the gravy train in the control of politicians and found they can do exceedingly well as junior partners in crime. Find me ten national politicians without an illicit bank account and thirty bureaucrats not wearing a high-end premium watch and I will take sanyas!

Is there some way of squaring the circle of India's pathetic vulnerability and the venality of its public life? The latter will persist though we may pine otherwise and dream angry dreams. The BJP will not come to power with a fifty-seat majority nor will it fail to disappoint if it does so because its leaders have already demonstrated all the usual human frailties citizens constantly decry. And the great saffron hope, Narendra Modi, will also be swallowed up by the hard realities of bad faith and the desire for instant gratification that dominate Indian political life and society. Almost alone among Indians states, Gujarat has reached the climactic turning point at which the business of making money and half-decent governance intersect virtuously, creating space for an alternative politics. Nor are the forty-somethings with whom the twenty-somethings of the media are solemnly enamoured likely to bring about anything approaching a minimally alluring agenda. Much of the rest remain mired in casteist tail-chasing and the truly devout seek escape from damnation in the after-life by making everyone in the present one taste hellfire.

Alas, India's politicians are mostly intellectually mediocre because the requisite skill for political success has ensured a distinctive breed that possesses the necessary qualification of village cunning. It seems to be the best attribute for achieving political power though it provides fewer guidelines about what to do with it on a wide front once you arrive. This is a problem that cannot be altogether overcome because it is underpinned by the mordant impress of institutionalised past choices that severely constrain future alternatives. And of course constitutional arrangements guarantee their longevity. The gradual erosion of meritocracy in civil service recruitment has wrought something similar within it as well. Meritocracy is no longer in place to reduce the play of pure venality amongst amoral recruits with only modest intellectual equipment. But is it possible to defend India despite the dismaying combination of mundane private ambition and low cunning that curtails the ability to think clearly even in situations that urgently demand it?

The impact of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Islamist terror, financed by jihadi Arab charities and armed by China, is the most severe political challenge facing India today. It would be entirely just and defensible in international law to launch a retaliatory attack against Pakistan, but it would be complex in the extreme, both politically and militarily. Harming terrorists, in plentiful supply, is an unattainable goal because so-called terrorist camps are low-value physical targets that can be reinstated quickly. India would need to impose costs on Pakistan itself that its leaders and people would consider excessive, which for a thoroughly militarised Pakistan can be assumed much higher than anything a sustained Indian military assault could hope to approximate. Pakistan's entire social and political structure is configured to draw sustenance from war against India. And surgical strikes are not the exfoliation of dead skin that impressionable NDTV presenters imagine, but would need to entail amputations on a serious scale in order to comprise severe cost and constitute real deterrence. And bear in mind that it would be costly for India too since both the US and China would help Pakistan with high-grade intelligence about Indian intentions and arms supplies as well.

Much more to the point is the actual result of India's misconceived nuclear tests. They were motivated by instinctive nationalism, an electoral calculus and a degree of genuine apprehension about India's post-Cold War strategic vulnerability in the event of a two-front Sino-Pak assault against it, without an implicit Soviet veto against Chinese opportunism. Unfortunately, India's nuclear tests allowed Pakistan, which followed swiftly with its own, to espouse undeclared war against India, with the ever-present threat of uncontrolled escalation if India retaliated against terrorist bases in Pakistan that cannot operate on a meaningful scale without them. India erred in its failure to ready missile delivery systems that the Pakistanis bought off the shelf from China. It also highlighted a shocking lack of understanding of the psychological dimensions of nuclear deterrence protocols that might have prevented Pakistan from successfully issuing credible threats of escalation to India, even if it merely interdicted Karachi port. Of course India was singularly ill informed and exhibited very poor judgement in assuming that the US had decided to ratify the CTBT, an eventuality considered to make an Indian nuclear test after it much more difficult. In fact that did not happen since any knowledgeable observer would have known that the US would not ratify.

India's ruling elites, of all stripes, have facilitated the entry of Pakistani and Bangladeshi intelligence agents into India and waves of Bangladeshi immigrants have been allowed carte blanche within Indian cities. India's ruling order evidently calculates that any serious attempt to halt the incubation of autonomous mini-Islamic statelets within India will have negative electoral consequences, or precipitate unwelcome reputational damage in the case of its nominal nationalists. In addition, by colluding in the psychological assimilation of Indian Muslims to the wider global Ummah, India's elites have precipitated a problem of incalculable magnitude. The eighty or so parliamentary seats dependent on Muslim votes are increasingly susceptible to foreign influence and can be swung in favour of the political party least likely to jeopardise Pakistani operations within India. Religious leaders in many mosques mobilize votes in accordance with the preferences of Saudi-Pak funding agencies that finance them. The impact of Saudi-Pak funding on the politics of India can be gauged from a comment to me by a senior intelligence officer that the terrorists who bombed Delhi in 2005 were given a police escort to the UP-Delhi border. The bitter paradox is that acts of terrorism, which Indian politicians have themselves facilitated, polarizes fearful Muslim communities in the aftermath of terrorist outrages and intensifies their mobilization in favour of the political party least likely to adopt harsh measures to stop them.

The options for stopping India's slide into civil war and anarchy are alarmingly circumscribed and the complacency of its elites frightening. The need to unloose military force against rioting protestors in the streets of its cities is haunting India. And it is protestors against Pakistani-backed terror that will be in the line of fire. Such dire action could culminate in India's rapid descent into socio-political implosion, with the credibility of the federal Centre fatally injured and regional groupings asserting their parochial will in the wake of civil war. Among the few remaining immediate potential choices for tackling terrorism is the federal agency that became operational recently, but only the future can judge the seriousness of the government's intentions. Existing agencies will have to play a secondary role or be by-passed altogether because their personnel and activities have been corrupted by the mundane needs of politicians, who have misused them to strengthen their hold on political power. The new Federal agency will have to exercise all its ingenuity to acquire a truly outstanding intelligence-gathering ability and it should be allotted the resources to enable it to do so. Such a competent federal agency may permit targeted action against individuals involved in the outsourced Pakistani terror network embedded within India, without causing the collateral damage its politicians fear above all else. It will also have to co-ordinate its activities with the armed services to curtail the reach of Pakistan into India from outside. Terrorism will not end, but its grievous impact on India may then be mitigated.

Pathetic appeals to the international community are of no avail, as everyone knows, though the government shamelessly entertains the world with its denuded helplessness. The international response to recent Israeli action in the Gaza starkly demonstrates its cynicism. India is a laughing stock and its hapless people mere bait for a Pakistan useful for Western shenanigans in Afghanistan, as it was earlier during the Eighties' Soviet interlude. Western disregard for India's most vital interests remains largely unchanged nor is there credible evidence that it is likely to do so anytime soon. India should urgently consider economic and diplomatic options to isolate Pakistan, including abandoning its no first-use nuclear weapons policy and espousing concomitant strategic measures to send an unambiguous signal to Pakistan, China and the wider international community. Three specific options would be to begin evacuation drills in major Indian cities, ceremoniously build hardened nuclear shelters for India's key decision-makers and hint at an endgame Samson option, targeting Saudi Arabia and China in the event of a sub-continental nuclear holocaust. These are cynical psychological games designed to unnerve opponents who cannot know what will indeed happen in a worst-case scenario. In the meantime, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China should be subjected to various economic and diplomatic sanctions appropriate to the diabolical war they are waging against India in co-ordination with each other. Our venal and cunning rulers, politician and bureaucrat alike, might consider that the golden goose that has created such a good life in recent years for them and their families is in danger itself.

Gautam Sen recently co-authored Analyzing the Global Political Economy (Princeton University Press, 2009).

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Karkare family is ready to forgive Kasab
She said her family is willing to forgive Kasab, the main accused of Mumbai terror attacks.
"He is only 21 years old and he should be given an opportunity to change his ideology," said the martyr's wife.
:roll:
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=1775270


The rot/softness is within our society.so govt is just as soft as society is.so no point blaming the govt. if we ourselves r soft.
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Guys:

A few days back, there were reports that India was protesting German's impending sale of military toys to TSP. Anyone know what German response has been to that?
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Reacting to Baljeet's post. The toughest stand taken against enemies of the country has always been that of the people of Punjab. And they don't just mouth extremist rhetoric, they're also prepared to make sacrifices in the defence of the country. History records that they've never flinched from making the ultimate sacrifice for India. Not just the soldiers, sailors and airmen but civilians too.

I toured the border areas of Punjab -Firozpur, Amritsar and Gurdaspur Distts in the opening days of Op Parakram. Nowhere did I find panic, despair or despondency. Instead everyone was preparing to stay and help the Army. The slogan on everyone's lips was 'Aar paar di ladai' 'A decisive war is needed against the enemy'

Similarly nowadays again people in the border areas are prepared to stay and help the Army. Is this the spirit of an appeasement-oriented people ?

BTW Manmohan Singh belongs to Jhelum not Layalpur (sic). And in the hurry to attack peaceniks form Punjab are we forgetting people like Vajpayee and all that they achieved in the field of appeasement ?
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tripathi wrote:
Karkare family is ready to forgive Kasab
She said her family is willing to forgive Kasab, the main accused of Mumbai terror attacks.
"He is only 21 years old and he should be given an opportunity to change his ideology," said the martyr's wife.
:roll:
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article ... id=1775270


The rot/softness is within our society.so govt is just as soft as society is.so no point blaming the govt. if we ourselves r soft.
This kind of attitude takes quite a time to change. It seems to be romantic to talk about the perpetrator and pardononing him. But in effect the denial the victims live in is quite unimaginable. If one cannot face reality, how can they overcome such incidences? Do not know when will such over the top reactions end.
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I am sure certain tv anchors will be at her doorstep before dawn tomorrow to record in full detail how we bad indians are to blame and not the poor kid who killed 50+ people in cold blood at CST.
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Antony reviews security with Service chiefs { more chai-biscuit sessions ?}

NEW DELHI: Indian Defence Minister A.K. Antony on Monday called a high-level meeting of the three Service chiefs to assess the security scenario as New Delhi handed over to Islamabad evidence of the complicity of terrorists in the Mumbai terror attack, a senior official said.

National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan and Defence Secretary Vijay Singh also attended the meeting.

The meeting gains significance as India Monday handed over to Pakistan the evidence linking Pakistan-based group to the Mumbai carnage and ratcheted up international pressure on Islamabad to eliminate terror infrastructure from its territory.
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This whole "handing over the dossier" business is extremely frustrating and humilating, no doubt. But in the big picture, it is essential that we do this for several reasons. The primary one is that at a minimum, this time we will force TSPA to accept publicly that pigLeTs from TSP did this attack. They will end up releasing the pigLeT chiefs including Hafiz-e-Suar after the world attention dies down, but when the day of recknoning comes and trust me it will, this will come in handy.

This government is incapable of anything useful against TSP, but our only hope lies in the sad reality that as more and more elites feel the pain that the average train riding babu and the middle class man faces, the sooner we will get a set of nationalists in power who can play the TSPA game at the same dirty level.

Many ex-babu types have written about morale in our services being low. It is true but not for the reasons we all think. The morale is low because the capability is there but the political will isn't there. We should just read about Western reportage of the mobilization effort during Parakram to see the awe with which they hold our services' capabilities. I once did a case study with 3 serving US Army officers. In talking to them, I found out that logistics was one of the key things US forces want to talk about during joint-excercises with Indian forces. They did a lot of internal studies of IA's Parakram efforts and were amazed that so much materiel was moved so far with great efficiency. Too bad, it was not used in action! There's a saying that amateurs talk tactics while professionals plan logistics. That is why I laugh when I see postings of "We have xyz tanks, they have pqr ATGMs" and so on and so forth.

BTW, some TSP strategic types are now writing towel-throwing articles on what they see as India's diplomatic encirclement of TSP. Apparently, China and the Saudis were asked by the TSP govt to tell India that the TSPA, especially TSPAF, do not even have the hope they had in 2002 and therefore nuclear escalation this time was likely in the early days.

None of this is comforting, but I hope that this napunsak regime can alteast do the :(( diplomacy with sincerety and diligence. Once it becomes clear that Unkil is only going to help us just enough to make us forget the issue, then it sets the stage for the next alternative. In 2002, we mobilized but it only helped to a small extent. Today we multilateralize and it's going just a step further. Next time, we will have to try something else. And we will.
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What the GOI/Indian elite with all its self imposed and external restrictions is doing is to prolong the long war (from 1905) with the TSP/Islam in India.

The effect of this is the defining and crystallization of the idea of India. Indians from all walks of life and places are clear about who they are and whom they dont want to be associated. The rosy picture painted by the WKK and Pak pasand people like Mani Shankar Aiyar is being shredded and discredited especially with the inaction after the Mumbai terrorist attacks. What we are seeing is similar to what happened between the English and the French in the Hundred Years War.
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10. It is hoped the Government draws the right lessons from its dilemma after Mumbai and tries to revive quickly our covert action capability, which was discarded more than a decade ago as an ill-conceived unilateral gesture to Pakistan.
Shri. Raman is still writing about this. During NDA time he was really pressing this issue. Then about an year after UPA came to power he no longer pressed this issue and I presumed that adequate preparations have been taken. Frankly, one cannot say whether Shri. Raman's suggestion has already been implemented or is still being considered. However anecdotal evidence, considering the speed with which we repaired our contacts in Afghanistan atleast tells me that we are not headed by morons.
Rangudu wrote: They will end up releasing the pigLeT chiefs including Hafiz-e-Suar after the world attention dies down, but when the day of recknoning comes and trust me it will, this will come in handy.
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Can you give some examples how this will be helpful. The way that I am reading this action is to give TSP enough rope to hang itself. We are exhausting all the civic approaches before delivering a jhapad.

My earnest belief right now war against TSP is a blunt instrument. However, as Raman said, the best effective way of convincing the cost to the TSP establishment is covert action. However, the irony is that if GoI were to exectute that option, it will be silent or at most coy about its involvement and public will think babus are playing pocket-polo. On the other hand saber-rattling will be blunt/ineffective for short term objectives however good for public posturing.

We just cannot explain away the current "perceived" inactions by GoI as result of mumble-humble singh. It is too simplistic. There must be definitely some constraints. Now if we tally that with Shri. Raman's prescription of lack of adequate covert action capability, one possible hypothesis is that we have not paid adequate attention in that department, and that is one of the reasons of present frustrations. Even covert actions take time and preparation.

There is an interesting thing that has happened due to present behaviour of pussilaminity displayed by India. The issue just refuses to die. Even spinster will agree. After the train bomb blasts of 2006 the rona-dhona ended within a month, but this thing is in continuing to hog limelight. The weird thing is that appeals to put a lid on the issue is coming from TSP english media and couple of duffers from DDM who can be conveniently ignored.

I want to delve a little bit on this covert action. We say covert action against TSP establishment, but that statement is quite vague. To put a little flesh on that statement, who could be some likely targets of such an action? I can understand marking of men in TSPA, ISI, and other irregular tanzeems like LeT JeM and making fine arrangements for a meeting with their maker. But these fellows must also have logistics, hard assets that they prize, capital goods that are important for their operations which cannot be squirreled away at a sight of trouble. Does anyone have insights into what could be assets of a terrorist organization that we could target? How do we ensure that appropriate message is conveyed i.e. "if you continue your supari business, the premium on your own life insurance would increase". How can we make their existing business model uneconomical? Shouldn't the factories of Baharia, Saheen and Fauji foundations, made to pay? What about the logistical elements of TSPA? What about the private contractors who beneifit from TSPA and give zakat to mujhaideens?

Regarding the possible human resources to give effect to the op, TSP itself has ready supply. There are already reports that fidayeen-for-hire are being used by the pakistani civilians among themselves. It means the market is already there, we just need to tap it.

One of the important consequence of instability is large investments in capital goods does not happen. For eg: no one is going to invest in power plants, factories and like. Since TSP has already attacked India financial and technological centers, that front of attack is now halal as per rules of war. The unemployed jihadis could well be motivated to direct their ire against the capital goods within TSP since all such things are unislamic. Right now TSP is facing load shedding for 10 hrs, by summer they must be lucky to get power even for an hour a day.
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I have a strange feeling that there may not be a next time. For one, the dossier business in Delhi is too bizarre to make any sense, even for the most useless of napunsak politicians. For another, the PM and DM don't meet with the service chiefs in quick succession and broadcast the fact if they are sure nothing is going to happen. Therefore I think something is going to happen. According to Delhi, the STATE OF PAKISTAN is proved complicit in the Mumbai massacre, not just "non-state actors", and this is de facto a state of WAR as far as we are concerned. To not do anything is akin to watching your daughter being raped and reaching for your cell phone instead of a gun or iron rod. While it's possible that some of our politicians are capable of this, it is unthinkable just before an election. So the dossier business may well be a reading out of the riot act to Saudi, China, the US and now Pakistan. If the latter does not hand over at least a couple of pigs in a day or two, we should reasonably expect some meaningful strikes against TSP. We may in fact have reached the point of "so be it" and will actually cross the so-called red lines.
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CNN :: India hands Mumbai attacks file to Pakistan
NEW DELHI, India (CNN) -- Phone records, captured weapons and statements by the sole surviving suspect in November's Mumbai massacre are among the evidence India's government handed over to Pakistan on Monday, its foreign ministry announced.

India has said Islamic militants trained in Pakistan were behind the November 26 attacks on Mumbai, which left more than 160 people dead in a three-day siege of India's financial capital.

Pakistani officials have promised to cooperate with the investigation, but have insisted that India show it the evidence supporting its case.

India delivered what it says is that evidence to Pakistani officials in New Delhi and Islamabad on Monday morning, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee said.

"We are also briefing all our friendly countries," Mukherjee said. "I have written to my counterparts around the world giving them details of the events in Mumbai and describing in some detail the progress that we have made in our investigations and the evidence that we have collected."

Indian Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon called on Pakistan to cooperate fully in what he stressed was an ongoing investigation.

"We would like to see real action [from Pakistan] as soon as possible," Menon said at a news conference Monday.

Declaring that most of the investigation "now has to be done in Pakistan," Menon avoiding linking any officials directly to the attack but he said, "It's hard to believe something of this scale -- that took so long in the preparation, that amounted, really, to a commando attack -- could occur without anybody anywhere in the establishment knowing that this is happening."

Menon said India's investigation has focused on groups in Pakistan because "the links lead back to Pakistan -- the don't lead into other countries."

Pakistan has an obligation under international laws and treaties to "render legal assistance. That extends up to and it includes extradition," he said.

India's goal, Menon added, is to "bring the perpetrators to Indian justice." Asked by a reporter if that meant suspects should be brought to India for trial, Menon said, "Where else is there Indian justice?"

According to the ministry, the documents include records from the interrogation of the sole surviving suspect in the attacks, a Pakistani citizen; data retrieved from mobile phones and satellite navigation systems; and weapons and equipment recovered from the attackers.

"It is our expectation that the government of Pakistan will promptly undertake further investigations in Pakistan and share the results with us so as to bring the perpetrators to justice," the ministry said in a statement announcing the handover.

Pakistan's foreign office responded with a statement saying it was "determined to uncover the full facts pertaining to the Mumbai terrorist attacks."

The statement said "the government of Pakistan will evaluate the information provided by India so far." Without going into specifics, the statement added, "Pakistan and India must cooperate in the investigations."

The Mumbai killings fueled renewed tensions between South Asia's long-time rivals, who have fought three wars since independence and conducted tit-for-tat nuclear weapons tests in 1998.

Indian authorities say Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the surviving suspect, has told investigators he was trained by Laskhar-e-Tayyiba, an Islamic militant group founded to battle Indian rule in the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir.

The group was banned following a 2001 attack on the Indian parliament that brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war.

New Delhi has demanded that Pakistan hand over about 20 wanted militant leaders.

Pakistani security forces rounded up more than a dozen militant leaders in December, but President Asif Ali Zardari told CNN that while he was willing to let his security officials take part in a joint investigation into the attacks, any suspects would face trial in Pakistan
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More tamasha?
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On emulating Israel in Gaza - let us remember that Israel promoted Hamas during the 1970s, specifically as a religious extremist group, in order to put up a rival to the secular PLO.

Incidentally, it seems to be a common theme of modern history where people of European origin are concerned - the cases are legion, including the British in India - to nurture Islamic extremism in order to achieve their own interests; and then to complain about it the rest of the time.
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Incidentally, it seems to be a common theme of modern history where people of European origin are concerned - the cases are legion, including the British in India - to nurture Islamic extremism in order to achieve their own interests; and then to complain about it the rest of the time.



It is due to a lack of sense of historical continuity, engendered by the great technical advances and accompanying secularisation over the past two centuies. But I agree, you'd think they would learn.
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Guys:

As expected, Pakis are being Pakis onlee. Here is TSP's response to evidence of their role in the Mumbai massacre. What will Indian govt's response be?
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It is too late for anything from anyone.

Pranab Da perhaps made a valiant effort, but with MMS closing a route things have to come to a quick close. No use wasting any more bandwidth on this topic.

Back to the pavilion.
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CRamS wrote:Guys:

As expected, Pakis are being Pakis onlee. Here is TSP's response to evidence of their role in the Mumbai massacre. What will Indian govt's response be?
<sarcasm>
I am expecting covert ops being switched on and surgical strikes in a couple of months. Soon we will see the growth of a bigger RAW than ISI.
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In reality I think what will happen is Chidambaram will go on a world tour with his dossier and make "sure" that every country in the world knows what the Porkis are upto, which would be redundant info.

While we can all be pretty sure that no country in the world would want to help, it will help keep the KangCrazI babooze internal policital image of "doing something against terror" intact until the elections are here.

I have also come to one more conclusion :- India is a modern colonial country who has an autonomous colonial administration and it basically represents a colonial administration serving no one. The fact is clear by Govt. posts like "District Collector" and Tahsildar. Its also obvious to me that since this colonial behemoth is not serving anyone or upholding any concept (like the declaration of the rights of man), it is unable by design to coherently protect itself or its subject or the interests its serving. The only time this behemoth worked was when Indira Gandhi, a true colonialist, was ruling India. Compare that to the current administration, who have no purpose, no ideals to with hold or no idea why they chose politics other than to make money. In that sense (i.e. sense of Babudom) India is spiralling down to anarchy so is Pakistan in every sense except their foreign policy.. the question is.. who will reach the abyss first.

God save India and the yeeevil yindooos that occupy it.
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Perhaps it should be added that the US has played a shallow, self serving and ultimately disruptive role in all this.
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When UPA came to power I said they would wring their hands. But that image allows certain action to be taken or not.

In no other regime was an embassy bombed without the reasons being made known eventually.
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from website http://soodvikram.blogspot.com/2009/01/ ... ption.html

The author is a former secretary of Research & Analysis Wing (R&AW). Seems to suggest covert warfare as an option to counter terrorism. I've been following him recently after mumbai incident and dont have much idea of his background, but his articles seem good to me

Monday, January 5, 2009
The Covert Option
India should build up its psychological and cyber warfare to thwart terrorism


This time, in Mumbai, the enormity of the ongoing tragedy really hit ‘us’. The debate about the how and why and what to do next has been on for a month now, unlike in the past when bomb blasts and killings were about ‘them’ and handled by the ‘others’. Shaken from the secure comfort of our opulence and tearful of the loss of fancy places to eat, few of us realise that in the year that has gone by, 1,007 civilians and 368 security forces personnel were killed in terrorist-related violence all over the country. There are a few important lessons from this and one can only hope that the extreme anger of November will translate into cold determination for the future.

One has also to be realistic about countering terrorism. Like crime, it will never disappear completely, no matter what laws and agencies we have. It can only be deterred and contained. The Mumbai massacres are undoubtedly a lesson about our vulnerabilities, our huge security gaps, our disjointed reaction, our media hype and our weak response to Pakistan. As a result, we are today seeing the unfortunate spectacle of Pakistan, the obvious suspect in this case and many others that have preceded this, stealing the ground from under us and screaming that Islam and Pakistan are under threat from India. The suspect has changed the rules of the debate and smuggled in Kashmir into the equation.

Mumbai happened even though there was a semblance of some intelligence, but no one connected the dots. We may not be lucky next time, and there will be a next time unless we do several things in the short term and others in the long term. Every terrorist attack is a learning experience for the terrorist and he comes back stronger and deadlier. Unfortunately, the State learns less.

We must also admit that quite a few of the things that happen or do not happen do so because of the way we are. The contempt the citizen has for the law in India is visible on our streets all over the country, and the state shows its indifference when it fails to correct this. It is a sad reflection on our polity that promises bijli, sadak and paani (electricity, roads and water) as an election slogan 60 years after Independence. Obviously, the State has receded when we find that those who have the means no longer depend upon it. They get themselves a generator when the State does not supply electricity, dig tube wells when there is no water, and hire private guards when there is no security.

Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata’s comment — “We will protect ourselves and we will try to deter such activities again and we will seek external expertise for the same’’ — has a significance that may have escaped many. What he is saying in effect is that India will have to move up from the present system of merely gated communities with unarmed guards to a system where the corporate sector must learn to anticipate and protect itself against lethal attacks. In a sense it means that the State will not or cannot protect or provide security to all its national assets. Possibly this means entering into the sphere of corporate warriors where each big corporate house has its own security apparatus more in the style of Blackwater, Dyncorp or Vinnel of the US. It was Dyncorp personnel who provided security to Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai in the initial days. Considerable security work has been outsourced in Iraq and Saudi Arabia to private warriors. Maybe that is the need of the hour because the first thing that we need to do in the short term is to protect ourselves and to make our vulnerable national assets invulnerable.
This would leave the State free to handle those responsible for spreading terror. This means taking on Pakistan differently from the way we have in recent years. Talking peace with Pakistan may be necessary, but we should not delude ourselves into assuming that Pakistan’s attitude will change. With a 7,500-km sea frontier and porous land borders, we will always be vulnerable to terrorist attacks launched by an implacable foe. They cannot be guarded by good intentions and fond hopes. Pakistan has been fighting a proxy war especially after 1971 at places and times of its choosing. It is a total war against India and we must treat it so. Other than adopting defensive postures, we have done precious little to teach the perpetrator a lesson.
Getting ready for Pakistan and its terrorists extends beyond modernising the armed forces with the latest aircraft, tanks or submarines. It means above all ensuring a highly professional and sharp intelligence capability. It means equipping our specialised forces with the most lethal and suitable equipment, and keeping them agile, trained and mobile for all times. It means empowering the local state units adequately in every sense of the word to be the first respondents in a crisis. It means developing a covert option.

This probably sounds sinister, but a country’s national interests are protected by hard-nosed realism and not by soft options. A State is respected by others only if it is able to protect its interests and project its power. If India is seen to be soft and weak by our neighbours, we will lose respect even here. The covert option is something many States have and they use it, too. The Americans are quite free and easy in announcing that they have set aside funds to destabilise an unfriendly regime. The same rules do not apply to us but the principles of trade craft are usable.

Covert action can be of various kinds. One is the paramilitary option, which is what the Pakistanis have been using against us. It is meant to hurt, destabilise or retaliate. The second is the psychological war option, which is a very potent and unseen force. It is an all weather option and constitutes essentially changing perceptions of friends and foes alike. The media is a favourite instrument, provided it is not left to the bureaucrats because then we will end up with some clumsy and implausible propaganda effort. More than the electronic and print media, it is now the internet and YouTube that can be the next-generation weapons of psychological war. Terrorists use these liberally and so should those required to counter terrorism.
The third weapon in the covert option is the use of cyber techniques. This is an ability to intercept cyber networks and communications, cripple systems and carry out counter attacks on the enemy’s systems. In a country that boasts its brain power, it should not be difficult to find such expertise.

Despite the latest drama on our borders, future wars are unlikely to engage massive armies locked in prolonged battle for real estate. Attacks could be of the Mumbai kind or come by stealth, master-minded by some computer whiz kid and the targets are our ways of life. Unless the State learns to be flexible and agile, and unless there is full international cooperation, it will always be an uphill struggle with the peak never really visible. The covert option is more than just blowing bridges and killing innocents. At all times, it should form part of a State’s armoury. It takes years to build this capability and just a few weeks to destroy this.
Source : Business World , Issue ( 6-12th January 2009 )
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Despite the latest drama on our borders, future wars are unlikely to engage massive armies locked in prolonged battle for real estate. Attacks could be of the Mumbai kind or come by stealth, master-minded by some computer whiz kid and the targets are our ways of life.
See problem solved.

IA prepares for Dharam Yudh using heavy tanks 1 year notice to mobilize , inspite of cold ish_start.

So war is not an option.

If PRC wants to take greater Tibet ( aka Arunachal) The Army will hold hands and surround the incoming PLA putting flowers in their revolutionay barrels of AK-57s.

Meanwhile we will have flotilla ready for Chhabees january, with pot bellied Netas, Generals ,diplomatic corps ,RAW , IB all getting Param veer chakras. Quite colorful pagentry I guess.
Oh this year special NSA flotilla with MKN and his team sipping chai boscoot Samosas as it rolls down Rajpath :mrgreen:
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CRamS wrote:Guys:

As expected, Pakis are being Pakis onlee. Here is TSP's response to evidence of their role in the Mumbai massacre. What will Indian govt's response be?
Don't underestimate India. India holds several cards in its hands to give a robust response to Pakistan's contemptuous rotfl on seeing the evidence
  • Make borders irrelevant
  • visit even more countries with Xerox copies of evidence
  • Restart peace process
  • appeal to Pakistani leaders to eschew the path of confrontation
  • Speed up visa processing for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and subsidize medical treatment.
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  • Prepared for any eventuality, of course.
  • Befitting reply to any misadventure
  • Want friendly relations with saarcastic neigbhors
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  • Show Xerox to Israel and ask them to stop attacking Gaza.
  • MMS +rajmata + Yuvraj Chai biskoot party with shehenshah A**F*ck bin-a-lube Kriyani and Al ten percenti
  • Mumble Mumble....................Sighhhhhhhhhhh
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  • Create new military non-start doctrine
  • Lose sleep
  • Redouble efforts to curb the menace of Hindu terrorism
  • All religions have great values and are above reproach
  • India has many problems. Terrorism is only one small issue
  • Do you know how many brides were burned last year?
  • Delay police reform. Police are glorified gatemen
  • Postpone decisions until after elections
  • Criminals in politics only exist because the people are criminals.
  • Dance bars are a menace to society
  • Gujaratis are a menace to Indian society
  • Bihar is a menace to India
  • If only caste barriers could be broken down
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  • Nothing is, ruled out.
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Victor wrote:I have a strange feeling that there may not be a next time. For one, the dossier business in Delhi is too bizarre to make any sense, even for the most useless of napunsak politicians. For another, the PM and DM don't meet with the service chiefs in quick succession and broadcast the fact if they are sure nothing is going to happen. Therefore I think something is going to happen. According to Delhi, the STATE OF PAKISTAN is proved complicit in the Mumbai massacre, not just "non-state actors", and this is de facto a state of WAR as far as we are concerned. To not do anything is akin to watching your daughter being raped and reaching for your cell phone instead of a gun or iron rod. While it's possible that some of our politicians are capable of this, it is unthinkable just before an election. So the dossier business may well be a reading out of the riot act to Saudi, China, the US and now Pakistan. If the latter does not hand over at least a couple of pigs in a day or two, we should reasonably expect some meaningful strikes against TSP. We may in fact have reached the point of "so be it" and will actually cross the so-called red lines.
It could be why Biden's making a trip to TSP next week.
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Biden had proposed the $15 Billion aid some time back. (It is meant for civi projects ONLY :roll: - I would imagine Pakistani Army has a finger in every place, so where is a civi?) Do not think he has this in mind.
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NRao wrote:Biden had proposed the $15 Billion aid some time back. (It is meant for civi projects ONLY :roll: - I would imagine Pakistani Army has a finger in every place, so where is a civi?) Do not think he has this in mind.
Last ditch carrot? Red Herring? Who knows...
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Rangudu wrote:This whole "handing over the dossier" business is extremely frustrating and humilating, no doubt. But in the big picture, it is essential that we do this for several reasons. The primary one is that at a minimum, this time we will force TSPA to accept publicly that pigLeTs from TSP did this attack. They will end up releasing the pigLeT chiefs including Hafiz-e-Suar after the world attention dies down, but when the day of recknoning comes and trust me it will, this will come in handy.

This government is incapable of anything useful against TSP, but our only hope lies in the sad reality that as more and more elites feel the pain that the average train riding babu and the middle class man faces, the sooner we will get a set of nationalists in power who can play the TSPA game at the same dirty level.
Rangudu, Just proving that attackers are from PAK does not mean anything. In fact, it will be a propaganda victory for the terrorists. What if tomorrow PAK does accept that the 10 were from PAK. Well, even IK Gujral was born there. PAK can easily say some people born in PAK do terrorism, others go on to become PMs, how can we control who does what.
This is not a court of law where the guilty will get punishment from judge. This is 21st century warfare, and Indian Politicians are still fighting the 20th century warfare.
As you know all Generals fight the last war. India has to fight this new war that has its own rules, weapons, strategy and tactics and Sukhoi MKI/Viraat is as useless in this warfare as were Polish Cavalry in Second World War.

What needs to be done is eliminate the terrorists where ever they are.

Make a Category 1(Terrorists) Category 2,(Financiers) Category 3(Sympathizers) of terrorists and keep on eliminating them. If 500-1000 of these are eliminated every year for 10-20 years, the terrorism will not stop but be contained. Just as a house has to be cleaned every day, this is an on-going activity. And Someone like Gujral should be tried as a Traitor for stopping the covert ability of India. It's almost like a PM asking for Indian Navy to be scrapped. Covert is the new form of warfare and just like in movie Munich, covert teams should be handing justice at every corner of the globe.
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