Indian Response to Terrorism after Mumbai

munna · Post by **munna** » 08 Jan 2009 01:43

ramana wrote:The only people who have not realized this are US and Indian elite.

Exactly Ramana and now Indian elite has been served a very loud and bloody wake up call. One thing is for sure and that is there will be a response to the whole fiasco as it has always taken a fiasco to bring the nation back to its senses. We might hear a lot of nay sayers and whiners on the forum but at the end of the day Delhi billis are upto something else. The question here is not whether the action will take place or not but actually what will be the form of action? Sure enough the entire dosa-ear thing is a way of saying to the world we have given enough leverage to the humanzees next door and now we don't have an option onlee!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2009 02:00

It also is way of letting the wolrd know their culpability in rearing the humanzees. Its old GOI practice to engage them 'sama' way while readying the 'danda' way.

samuel · Post by **samuel** » 08 Jan 2009 02:00

Hypothesized dynamic:

Ananth · Post by **Ananth** » 08 Jan 2009 02:07

Unlimited damange

This article argues against surgical strike. Note they have not said anything against covert action.

The idea of a surgical strike was first considered by the United States during the Cuban missile crisis of October 1962. President John F Kennedy and many of his top political aides initially favoured air strikes restricted solely to the Soviet missile sites in Cuba. But the subsequent debates clarified that the use of air power would have to be more substantial than the euphemism ‘surgical’ suggested. For one thing, no strike could proceed without some suppression of enemy air defences. For another, the first round strikes might be insufficient to neutralise the targets: to ensure that the air strikes had accomplished their objective, repeated attacks might be necessary. For a third, aerial action might well have to be followed up by some form of ground invasion. Finally, and most importantly, if Russian personnel were killed, the Soviets might respond in force, resulting in serious escalation.

The advent of precision guided munitions has not obviated the difficulties of using limited air strikes to achieve political objectives. In October 2001, at the onset of military operations in Afghanistan, the Americans believed that precision munitions could destroy the Taliban’s infrastructure and reduce Al Qaeda to insignificance. Seven years down the line, British, American, Dutch, and Canadian troops in southern Afghanistan have begun to appreciate the fact that precision strikes are hardly surgical. Collateral damage is impossible to contain, and the delivery of fire power from the air has as much potential to fuel an insurgency as it does to flatten a target. Striking at the heart of the Taliban’s infrastructure in Kandahar has certainly not extinguished the Taliban.

Israel’s campaign against Hezbollah in the summer of 2006 is another example. Faced with a barrage of Katyusha rockets, Israel decided to embark on an air campaign to disarm the Hezbollah. The latter, however, made good use of its networks of bunkers and tunnels to ride out Israeli air strikes. Besides, Hezbollah shifted to populated areas, making it harder for Israel to attack without causing civilian casualties. A frustrated Israeli government widened the air campaign, targeting Beirut and blockading the country, in the misplaced and vain hope that the Lebanese people would turn against the Hezbollah. Towards the end of the campaign, the Israelis had to undertake a ground incursion. Yet the Israeli government failed in achieving its objectives.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 08 Jan 2009 02:35

I tend to agree that "surgical" strikes are pointless except as an icing on the cake. The real intention must be not to take out the tools of terror (fools like Kasab and Lakhvi), but the inclination to use those tools in the minds of the wielders of these tools. That can only happen with aggressive intervention into their comfort zones at the political, professional and personal levels. This means war of a low intensity and sustained bloodshed in Pakistan among the elite. It means targeting of the military in Rawalpindi and Islamabad, in particular the officer cadre. It means random killing of civilians among the above-mentioned population sub-set. It means framing a fearful asymmetry.

I think we are going to respond, and in the not too distant future - one way or the other. If not, we do not deserve to survive as a country.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 02:40

The flaw in the "surgical strike"

is that the US and NATO have NOT been conducting "surgical strikes" at all, but just epidermal shavings. What is the point of "precision bombing" positions held by illiterate 20-year old cannon fodder, while bestowing awards like Legend of Honor on the terror masters such as Mohammed Aziz?

What is needed is a bunch of surgical hangings of the "experts" in DupleeCity who decided to team up with the Pak Army to fight GWOT.

A few "surgical" craters in the middle of Islamabad and Rawalpindi will certainly have very salutary effects, and Afghanistan will quickly become peaceful once that happens.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 08 Jan 2009 03:31

I disagree with Ramana conditionally. There is no use of extradition to India as of now. In fact all of them would run their network from inside jail just as gang members do. India cannot even sell Dawood's properties, how can India without the right laws handle Dawood?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cent ... 854568.cms
Few years from now they will be bartered for some hapless passengers of some airline.

First India has to have law so that military courts try those extradited. And they should be executed within a month if found guilty. There is precedence in International case in this regard as below.
http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famc ... i/nazi.htm
Terrorists who come by sea are like spies and they should be executed as Nazis were. They are neither criminals nor prisoners of war, both of whom have much more rights.
Remember Masood Azhar and Omar Sheikh were in Indian jail for years.

Also Unkil does realize the situation in PAK. It's just that for Unkil, the situation is not alarming enough to warrant a big action as of now.
The maximum jihadis can do is put a dirty bomb somewhere in Unkil which also looks highly improbable due to excellent security measures. That is although a major threat, is still not a sufficient threat to Unkil as they faced 10000 nukes for most of last 40 years from Russia. This threat is really very puny in that comparison. One Unkil Ohio class submarine is enough to take out the top 20 jehadi countries.
So Unkil's policy is containment.
However, for India containment is not enough, as India faces existential threat unlike Unkil.
Unfortunately, It would take a few more attacks like Mumbai for an Indian Churchill to come up but it will surely happen sooner rather than later after Mumbai. One can then modify the speech below for India:
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

ramana wrote:Thanks R.

I disagree with GP
Seeing New Delhi’s ambivalence on the involvement of the Pakistani armed forces, the Americans and others have tacitly sought to absolve the Pakistani armed forces of any involvement.
And extraditing to countries other than India is just plain wrong. US wont do anyting and UK might even acquit them with Lord Avebury as the advocate. Has US done anything with its GBay detainees? They all will be set free eventually.

US and the Angl Saxon West will absolve TSP and its armed forces of any wrong doing regradless of what India will or will not provide. Its their strategic interest. In fact key to their survival of the Judeo-Christain doxy they claim inheritence to. Its as fundamental as that.

Such being the case India should preapre to do what she has to do with or without the help of others.

One surprise is Kiyani is turning out to be more jihadi then Mushy. So the Deobandi coup that I had predicted in 2007 to forestall the jihadi takeover has been forestalled as the jihadis have taken over the TSPA before the schedule.

Its not Talibanistan any more but the Army of Islam (razakars of yore) has taken over the land completely. Zardari, RAPE etc are passing masks who will be dropped as needed.

The only people who have not realized this are US and Indian elite.

samuel.chandra · Post by **samuel.chandra** » 08 Jan 2009 11:16

JE Menon wrote:I tend to agree that "surgical" strikes are pointless except as an icing on the cake. The real intention must be not to take out the tools of terror (fools like Kasab and Lakhvi), but the inclination to use those tools in the minds of the wielders of these tools. That can only happen with aggressive intervention into their comfort zones at the political, professional and personal levels. This means war of a low intensity and sustained bloodshed in Pakistan among the elite. It means targeting of the military in Rawalpindi and Islamabad, in particular the officer cadre. It means random killing of civilians among the above-mentioned population sub-set. It means framing a fearful asymmetry.

I think we are going to respond, and in the not too distant future - one way or the other. If not, we do not deserve to survive as a country.

One of the first targets should be the Dawood. It will serve multiple purposes:
- Big blow to jihadi types in India. The psychological impact is key. They should know that they will be hunted down. Right now, if I was a Indian jihadi, I would reach the conclusion that I can get away with anything when dealing with India.
- No big PR disaster. He is after all wanted all over the world. We should actually own up to taking him out.
- His operations in Mumbai would disintegrate.
- If someone as protected as Dawood is taken out, it will send chills down the paki spine.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2009 11:20

to do that get Pawar to agree.

samuel.chandra · Post by **samuel.chandra** » 08 Jan 2009 11:24

And I suspect a lot other folks as well. Everyone in the Political/State machinery must be on his payroll. Makes a lot of money in mumbai still. His infrastructure very much intact.

But there cannot be a more apt first target. We need to spread some RAW fear.

ramana wrote:to do that get Pawar to agree.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 08 Jan 2009 11:58

durgesh wrote:What ,IF, it is made mandatory for the MPs to serve as jawans in J&K and Siachen for two months (Jan and Feb)?They will develop some discipline,some patriotism and some adrenaline.No more chappal throwing sessions...

All of them will land in the hospitals with slipdiscs, odemas, fractures, BP, burst veins & heartattacks within the first 2 hours. Atleast then they will pay attention to the medical industry.
I say, for the sake of indian medicine, send them to the frontier.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 08 Jan 2009 12:22

If Surgical Strikes dont do what they intended to do, then how can such strikes be termed Surgical Strikes? In suc h a case such an event is called Surge in Strikes.
While we may talk about these strikes, I think Shiv garu can give us some precision guidence here about Surgical Strikes

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Those who think Surgical strikes can cure a cancer like terrorism are out of touch with rality.

This is what BR and other strategist (paid and in employment with GOI) obfuscate the meaning , purpose and use of Surgical Strikes.

The way I would term in our(current context of TSP and jihadi camps) First Strike with dumb bombs and then in the press conference show abduls running in cars(preferable Toyota Tachoma) over a bridge show cross hairs and boom gone. (the video is readily available on youtube).

Yes will it eliminate terror, no it will strike a terror in the mind of Abduls that India can take the fight to their home bases.
Thats all is needed. ( In simple terms this is called JHAPAD).

Are baba pahele Jhapad ka istmal karne ka irada tho bataona, kam se kam Haath utao?

Otherwise we will be like the guy being slapped by terrence hill, dumb stuck!

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Oh by the Way the only succeful Surgical Strike was by IADF over osirak reactor in Iraq , and even that too it was a bomb planted by French double agent in the foundation of the reactor, he just timed it while Israeli F-16 were flying over the reactor facility,

Hence my suggestion of using dumb bomb, or send in IA chaps let them have firing practice in POK, even if the tents are empty when they reach there and let Rambha rumble her rear after burners...

mnag · Post by **mnag** » 08 Jan 2009 12:41

When israel launches strikes against palestine

http://www.itgo.in/index.php?option=com ... ectionid=9

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday voiced India's strong condemnation of the Israeli strikes in Gaza and expressed the hope that international community will get together to restore peace and normalcy in the region.

In a first public statement on the ongoing strikes, he said India strongly condemned these incidents and regrets the loss of many innocent lives.

"It is our hope that the international community will come together to restore peace and normalcy," he said inaugurating the seventh edition of the three-day Pravasi Bhartiya Divas in Chennai.

He also declared India's "unstinted and unwavering support to the just cause of Palestinians".

The strikes have caused a lot of tensions in the region, where he said a number of Indian workers were living.

At least 660 Palestinians, including over 200 children and nearly 100 women, have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Israel launched its military offensive on December 27. Close to 3,000 others have been wounded in the attacks

At rest of the times, he is meow meow singh

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Jan 2009 12:43

Lao Tse (pbuh) once said "destroy the image of the enemy and the enemy will be destroyed"

this is very applicable to islamic/sinic societies which attach a lot of value and cpu cycles
to Echandee and "Iman"/"papering over all cracks in the masonry"

covert action against the political and military elites of TSP are ofcourse a must, but by
nature are deniable, low key, take a long time for intermittent opportunities to emerge
and do not result in significant Echandee loss because afterall Zia didnt die by a shia bomb
but his plane crashed due to engine malfunction.

to destroy the image, the persona in the mirror which Pak has built up for itself let us
analyse what this image consists of:
- Paki are braver than the yindu
- Paki are more street smart, cheeky and knows how to play all sides successfully
- Paki can slap yindu and can laugh from the safety of their border
- PAF is the saif-ul-islam and far sophisticated compared to flying coffin IAF
- yindu can only rant but is impotent wrt to real action on ground

the first two points are not directly hittable because its all in the mind, and only
other factors can collapse it which is happening as the media world becomes more
connected and educated pakis realize how far ahead in job opportunities India is
compared to running hat in hand to dubai/london/aus/canada to make a living as
they do.

the third and fifth point is fixable if we target the 4th point - a short sharp A2A war
in which say 50% of the PAF is wiped off the map and falls flaming onto their cities
and villages in full glare of tv cameras.

word on the street will spread fast, Echandee will be massively down

PA/PAF gets humiliated badly, esp if in later stages IAF does a "flag march" over
their major cities, cutting circles and bombing randomly whatever they want

ISI symbols like their big HQ in rawalpindi can be targeted safely during office hours

Does not involve a messy conflict on ground (unless they want to , which I doubt)

Some significant military related industry like naval dockyard, HIT taxila, OFB Wah can
be set ablaze and will burn for weeks.

Money will flee pak in droves through hawala channels

Elites will decamp further exposing their hollow claims of patriotism and manning the
ramparts. this will further infuriate the howling mobs shaking their fists at planes
flying overhead.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Jan 2009 16:20

whilst i like the scenario, the departure of the rapes will confirm the plummet of pukeland into full talibzone
i'd prefer a more compliant de-rabidified rape run environment

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 17:34

Let me post this here as well.
*******
Interesting lines are being drawn.

SP is a cent per cent ISI and Saudi goon.

Collate this fact with the desperate behavior of TSPA/ISI in exhibiting the terrorists' ties to the OFFICIAL Paki structure, we see a clear pattern.

The military/terror establishment is clearly taunting India for military action. WHY?
Maybe they feel like mosquitoes trying to bother a buffalo? No reaction to show for all their efforts, except for an occasional swish of the tail?

Very clearly, the INTENT to reveal the Paki official connection was BUILT into this operation from the very beginning. Otherwise why send these idiots into downtown Mumbai with limited number of bullets, very small isolated teams spread out across the city, no RDX strapped to themselves, and no remote-controlled BakPak trigger like in Londonistan? There was nearly 100% probability of at least one being captured in wounded state, so this was clearly intentional. The decision to use all Paki label goods in the entire operation confirms it. I mean, these are the maestros of currency counterfeiting, and where it mattered, they were perfectly capable of manufacturing Mauritius Student ID cards to check into the posh hotels, under conditions of tight security.

Also note: There was a clear warning of a sea-borne terrorist attack on the hotels. Was this leak entirely unintentional?

So, like "Force Ten From Multan", these pigs were sold down the river by their handlers before they ever started out. We have not quite thought through the WHY, but have been going happily down the predicted rasta-e-rant and

Now we see that they are so desperate that even their agents in UP are demanding "action" against pakistan.

Face it, jingos, Mumble-Mumble's "Inaction == Action, All is Maya" strategy is really upsetting the terrorists' plans, and rushing in to bomb the pakistan out of them would have made the enemy happy. Why is that?
**********************

Careful analyses invited.
WHY is the Pak military so desperate to see military action against themselves?

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 17:42

Six prominent IT companies in the city, including Infosys and Wipro, have received e-mails threating to blow up their buildings,

Probably from the Auditing/Accounting managers. See "Satyam" circus.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Jan 2009 18:09

narayanan wrote:Let me post this here as well.
*******
Careful analyses invited.
WHY is the Pak military so desperate to see military action against themselves?

I suggested a hypothesis for this about a month ago - the idea is to almost start a war, create a crisis, have unkil step in to stop it before it actually starts (like last time). The outcomes? get unkil off afghanistan, maybe as a bonus get india under pressure, even the 'give them kashmir to shut them up' type of pressure. And dragon enjoys a little tamasha at unkil's and haathi's expense

so, who's the real mastermind here? TSPA jarnails or Talibs or Al-Q?
or all == onlee

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 18:27

In that case, all they have to is to shut up (maybe that IS what they are doing) and let the civilian govt drag on the tamasha.

But are they so sure that it will not lead to actual military action against their valued interests (such as the jarnails and their property and goats?)

The civilian govt seems pretty clearly to be just stalling, denying everything however ludicrouse the denial may be. What do THEY think they will gain by stalling?

Something seems imminent enough to put time pressure on the TSPA, and a desire to stall on the civilian govt.

Pranabda's obvious irritability with the civilian govt also suggests that there is something more. Why didn't he just chuckle or laugh outright when they dissed the "dossier"? Why get angry and

?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 Jan 2009 19:19

One source of Pranabda's irritation is the shift from focus on the Government's action in Malegaon to the Government's inaction post Mumbai. (votes lost > votes gained)

PC wants cast iron guarantees from Bakistan that nothing of the scale of Mumbai will be repeated, it is in fact a weak statement, gives the impression that 26/11 is already forgotten and forgiven.

The Indian fence sitting upper middle class voters will settle for nothing less than vapourisation of ISI HQ.(votes to be gained)

Only a true Chanakian can deliver

My Yindoo cunning brain tells me that an Atlantique like incident will occur again and all will be happy, equal equal paradigm will repeat itself and within a few years the Mahesh Bhatts of Bollywood will be making their soft ***** movies in Lahore

Maybe this post deserves to be moved to the Whine thread

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 19:37

My Usually Well-Informed Reliable Source hu Prefers 2 B Anonymous Because He is Not Authorized to Talk 2 Me, told me that the Indian Response has already occurred:

Government has slashed price of diesel fuel, and interest rates, to appease the voters

Q.E.D.

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Jan 2009 19:42

My Yindoo cunning brain tells me that an Atlantique like incident will occur again and all will be happy, equal equal paradigm will repeat itself and within a few years the Mahesh Bhatts of Bollywood will be making their soft ***** movies in Lahore

Even i echo the thoughts...
Me feels a small "incident", which will be purely cosmetic and in no way harm the actual planners of 26/11 will happen, the jingo DDM will sing praises of tough measure, the aam aadmi(non BRF) will fall for the DDM propagandu and (god forbid) vote in the "tough on Pak" UPA to power again!!!

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 08 Jan 2009 19:51

Something seems imminent enough to put time pressure on the TSPA, and a desire to stall on the civilian govt.

Might have to do with 21-Jan and the Obama inaguration.

Obama's declared intent to shift focus to Afn frm iraq and do surge-ical strikes in afn like in iraq has wet several salwars in izloo, seems like.

The war/near war/limited war scenario tspa hopes to precipitate has everything to dunk Obama's afn surge plans by altering the facts on the ground - tspa redeployment to indian border, peace pacts with the pakiban, IMF monies sactioned already hawalaed into secret accounts, NATO supply route via Khyber disrupted on multiple occasions since 26/11 and such - as fait accompli.

Could they have been smarter abt having everything the jihadists had stamped 'made in tsp'? Of course onlee. But going by past record and how far the FBI went last time in '93 to hide and protect their tsp assets, who can blame tsp for supposing that tsp involvement won't again be muddled in muddy waters?

2 cents onlee.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 20:22

U have a point. I guess I never realized how rough it is on the ISI - go to all that effort, have a "successful" operation, and the world just does not give you credit.

Kandahar IC hijacking.
9/11
Londonistan 7/11
Mumbai 7/7
Malegaon 2006

The donors may be getting very tight-fisted these days, given that there is no

Actionable Proof

So it's no wonder the Pakis are begging for such proof - it is to present to their sponsors.

samuel · Post by **samuel** » 08 Jan 2009 20:52

It should be obvious to the pakistani military that once the external support to it dries out and there is internal war, that is the end of Pakistan. The only way this internal war catches on is if TSPA continues to fight the jihadis. To be sure, what started as fake drama is in danger of becoming all too real when Obama comes in.

One way to counter that would be to do whatever it can to pick a fight with india, whatever plan happens to be ready to go. of course, the mumbai plan was sitting there this time, part of the jihad strategyby another department of the same organization.

In this way, by raising war clouds, pakistan will unite rather than divide its jihadi army and "turn the problem on its head;" an approach that tspa all too often prefers (usually it loses balance, nevertheless).

The pak government is also a facade, it has some latitude and the strings pull at the slightest deviation from the act. Minister gone, DG not coming.

It is not yet clear how blocking supply lines fits in, but it doesn't have to because it is not fundamentally incongruous with this proposed strategy on their part.

Nevertheless, India must do all she can to keep the tspa and jihadis colliding.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 08 Jan 2009 20:57

OT post:

Ranguduji:

Time for another pow-wow / Strategic Summit? Pls email me. Thx.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 08 Jan 2009 20:57

TIME: Pakistan has outwitted India, yet again.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... ahoo-world

The correct heading should be: Pakistan has outwitted Manmohan and Sonia Gandhi and the congrees lefty party.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Jan 2009 21:13

meantime Amar singh has given a lucknow MP ticket to Munnabhai and is making all the noises indicative that pulling the rug is on the cards real soon.
or he wants a better cut of the cheese from his alliance partner or else he will
pull the rug.

Pranabda mused at a conf today that Rahul baba is on the path to be PM @ 40
just like his father Rajiv gandhu (thats how he pronounced it

)

the prospect of Rahul baba as PM will scare the living s*** out of the pakis
and disrupt even the redoubtable N^3's thought processes

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Jan 2009 21:15

Parthasarathy, on NPR this AM, stated that one more Mumbai and India will act!!!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Jan 2009 21:16

that means one more kaluchak or parliament attack is A-OK.

samuel · Post by **samuel** » 08 Jan 2009 21:18

Can kicked to after elections. Ball in TSP court.
Did someone figure out there will be no price to pay at the poll already?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Jan 2009 21:36

Promising Start By Pakistan, But Need More: U.S.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 08 Jan 2009 21:43

India MUST formally announce a significant bounty ($100 million/head) to capture "dead" or "alive" the terrorists who planned and financed the Mumbai massacre. Pakisatan carries the proud tradition of Mughal rule where sons turn against their father, and are willing to sell each other for a few dollars.

Diplomatic options have failed, and Meow Singh has to think outside the box. Two eyes for an eye is the only option.

R. Krithivas

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 08 Jan 2009 21:48

Singha wrote:meantime Amar singh has given a lucknow MP ticket to Munnabhai and is making all the noises indicative that pulling the rug is on the cards real soon. or he wants a better cut of the cheese from his alliance partner or else he will pull the rug.

Amar yip-yip singh is yip-yiping because of the courts questioning of CBI on its clean chit to mullah-yam in some DA case, this is his reminder to congress to keep CBI on leash or else ...

By the way guys if you want to know Indias response, then you don't need to goto the GoI.
The response is much closer home.....
In one of the DLF buildings in NCR where I work, the open forecourt has now been punctuated by the sudden cropping of high metal gates, and sandbag enclosures, and more poorly trained pvt security guards, who will ask for ID, but if u stand & argue, will cower & let go.

This is the response from the private sphere. However, the sandbag enclosures are empty since the GoI has not provided any guards, as usual, thats the GoIs response.

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 08 Jan 2009 21:55

SP sets 5-day deadline for action against Pakistan

SP sets 5-day deadline for action against Pakistan

New Delhi (PTI): Giving a virtual ultimatum to the Government, Samajwadi Party on Thursday said if no "action" is taken against Pakistan within five days, it would have to review its support.

Complaining that the ruling UPA was treating it like an "outsider" on the issue of dealing with Pakistan, the SP said it was under "tremendous pressure" from its cadres as the Government was not doing anything against the neighbouring country despite the Mumbai attacks.

The party, which is extending crucial outside support to the Congress-led government, said its Parliamentary Board meeting in New Delhi on Thursday was of the view that India needed to take strong action against Pakistan.

"The meeting criticised the government for failing to take any concrete action against Pakistan in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks," SP general secretary Amar Singh told a press conference along with party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav after over a two-hour meeting.

"In this light we have decided to give it five days' time to take action against Pakistan, otherwise we will review our support to the government in a working committee meeting of our party which would be called after January 14," he said.

The party's virtual ultimatum came a day after Singh issued a similar threat of withdrawal of support, only to tone it down after meeting Congress President Sonia Gandhi a few hours later.

Singh said the SP and he personally were under "tremendous pressure" from party leaders as it was his initiative to support the UPA on the nuclear deal.

"I have asked the party leaders to wait till January 14, when President Pratibha Patil will also come back to Delhi... We don't want to take any step in her absence," he added.

The SP threat comes amid media speculation that the party was not satisfied with government's assurances that there would be no action against SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav in the disproportionate assets case, despite Supreme Court hauling up CBI for going slow on it.

"It was observed in the Parliamentary party meeting that there is hardly any coordination between us and Congress as far as discussions about Government's steps to counter Pakistan are concerned," Amar Singh said, adding that SP comes to know about UPA's decisions only through the media as neither the Prime Minister's Office nor the National Security Advisor bother to convey anything to them.

"We feel like outsiders, even though the government today is surviving because of our support," Singh said.

The SP leader, who was speaking in the presence of Mulayam Singh Yadav and senior party Rajya Sabha MP Janeshwar Mishra, said that his party has already called for an attack on Pakistan.

Criticising the double standards being adopted by the U.S. vis-a-vis its tacit support to Israel, Singh said that "while the U.S. supports Israel's air-strikes in Gaza against innocents, it asks India to exercise restraint against Pakistan".

With the aim of exposing this strategy of the U.S. and to mount criticism on it at the international level, "we would be meeting envoys of all Arab nations soon. In fact, our party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav along with me will be going to Libya at Col. Qaddafi's invitation on January 27, where we will criticise the Israeli air-strikes in Gaza."

The SP general secretary said that his party cannot keep quiet on the "impotency" of the UPA Government.

"Despite Congress leaders like Digvijay Singh calling our party chief a back stabber and Satyavrat Chaturvedi calling me a mental case, we continue to support the Congress, but things can only be stretched up to a point," he said.

negi · Post by **negi** » 08 Jan 2009 22:07

^^ Read above as If Mumble singh and his ilk do not pressurise the CBI and the SC to clear charges against Mullah Yadav and faggot Amar singh support to UPA will be withdrawn.

kmc_chacko · Post by **kmc_chacko** » 08 Jan 2009 22:12

kasthuri wrote:SP sets 5-day deadline for action against Pakistan

SP sets 5-day deadline for action against Pakistan

New Delhi (PTI): Giving a virtual ultimatum to the Government, Samajwadi Party on Thursday said if no "action" is taken against Pakistan within five days, it would have to review its support.

Complaining that the ruling UPA was treating it like an "outsider" on the issue of dealing with Pakistan, the SP said it was under "tremendous pressure" from its cadres as the Government was not doing anything against the neighbouring country despite the Mumbai attacks.

The party, which is extending crucial outside support to the Congress-led government, said its Parliamentary Board meeting in New Delhi on Thursday was of the view that India needed to take strong action against Pakistan.

"The meeting criticised the government for failing to take any concrete action against Pakistan in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks," SP general secretary Amar Singh told a press conference along with party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav after over a two-hour meeting.

"In this light we have decided to give it five days' time to take action against Pakistan, otherwise we will review our support to the government in a working committee meeting of our party which would be called after January 14," he said.

The party's virtual ultimatum came a day after Singh issued a similar threat of withdrawal of support, only to tone it down after meeting Congress President Sonia Gandhi a few hours later.

Singh said the SP and he personally were under "tremendous pressure" from party leaders as it was his initiative to support the UPA on the nuclear deal.

"I have asked the party leaders to wait till January 14, when President Pratibha Patil will also come back to Delhi... We don't want to take any step in her absence," he added.

The SP threat comes amid media speculation that the party was not satisfied with government's assurances that there would be no action against SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav in the disproportionate assets case, despite Supreme Court hauling up CBI for going slow on it.

"It was observed in the Parliamentary party meeting that there is hardly any coordination between us and Congress as far as discussions about Government's steps to counter Pakistan are concerned," Amar Singh said, adding that SP comes to know about UPA's decisions only through the media as neither the Prime Minister's Office nor the National Security Advisor bother to convey anything to them.

"We feel like outsiders, even though the government today is surviving because of our support," Singh said.

The SP leader, who was speaking in the presence of Mulayam Singh Yadav and senior party Rajya Sabha MP Janeshwar Mishra, said that his party has already called for an attack on Pakistan.

Criticising the double standards being adopted by the U.S. vis-a-vis its tacit support to Israel, Singh said that "while the U.S. supports Israel's air-strikes in Gaza against innocents, it asks India to exercise restraint against Pakistan".

With the aim of exposing this strategy of the U.S. and to mount criticism on it at the international level, "we would be meeting envoys of all Arab nations soon. In fact, our party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav along with me will be going to Libya at Col. Qaddafi's invitation on January 27, where we will criticise the Israeli air-strikes in Gaza."

The SP general secretary said that his party cannot keep quiet on the "impotency" of the UPA Government.

"Despite Congress leaders like Digvijay Singh calling our party chief a back stabber and Satyavrat Chaturvedi calling me a mental case, we continue to support the Congress, but things can only be stretched up to a point," he said.

I will wait till 14.01.2008 if no action taken then, i will consider, not acting against the terrorists, who killed my brothers & sisters, as a betrayal from the side of UPA Govt. which promised of give security and peaceful living environment in its election manifesto.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 08 Jan 2009 22:14

With elections scheduled for the summer even if SP were to withdraw support what difference would it make? The President of India would ask the Madam/MMS govt to continue as the care taker govt till the formation of the next lok sabha. So what is the gain for SP??

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 08 Jan 2009 22:18

Vipul wrote:With elections scheduled for the summer even if SP were to withdraw support what difference would it make? The President of India would ask the Madam/MMS govt to continue as the care taker govt and continue till the formation of the next lok sabha. So what is the gain for SP??

If people are really serious about India acting against TSP, we can expect a reasonable gain for SP in the coming elections. By the way, I didn't find any reference in the media about this report. Even the Hindu link seems to be missing in its web-site. I was able to access this only through Google News. Can anybody confirm if this is true?

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 08 Jan 2009 22:25

By advocating a tough stance against the Porki's, SP is trying to steal BJP's thunder.