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AP
Job-killing recession racks up more layoff victims

Monday January 26, 9:05 pm ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090126/economy.html
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer job
Cascading layoffs hit workers at Pfizer, Caterpillar, Home Depot; no relief in sight

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The recession is killing jobs at an alarming pace, with tens of thousands of new layoffs announced Monday by some of the biggest names in American business -- Pfizer, Caterpillar and Home Depot.

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More pink slips, pay freezes and other hits are expected to slam workers in the months ahead as companies desperately look for ways to survive.

"We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg -- the big firms," said Rebecca Braeu, economist at John Hancock Financial Services. "There's certainly other firms beneath them that will lay off workers as quickly or even quicker."

Looking ahead, economists predicted a net loss of at least 2 million jobs -- possibly more -- this year even if President Barack Obama's $825 billion package of increased government spending and tax cuts is enacted. Last year, the economy lost a net 2.6 million jobs, the most since 1945, though the labor force has grown significantly since then.

The unemployment rate, now at a 16-year high of 7.2 percent, could hit 10 percent or higher later this year or early next year, under some analysts' projections.

Obama called on Congress Monday to speedily enact his recovery plan, warning that the nation can't afford "distractions" or "delays."

With the recession expected to drag on through much of this year, more damage will be inflicted on both companies and workers.

The mounting toll was visible Monday as roughly 40,000 more U.S. workers got the grim news.

Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc., which is buying rival drugmaker Wyeth in a $68 billion deal, and Sprint Nextel Corp., the country's third-largest wireless provider, said they each will slash 8,000 jobs.

Home Depot Inc., the biggest home improvement retailer in the U.S., will get rid of 7,000 jobs, and General Motors Corp. said it will cut 2,000 jobs at plants in Michigan and Ohio because of slow sales.

"We are seeing no improvement in labor market conditions," said Sal Guatieri, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets Economics. "This year could be as bad as last year in terms of layoffs."

In response to deteriorating business conditions, Caterpillar Inc., the world's largest maker of mining and construction equipment, disclosed nearly 20,000 job cuts, most of which already have been made. They include 5,000 new layoffs of white collar workers, which will occur globally by the end of March.

Earlier actions included the elimination of 2,500 Caterpillar workers through a buyout offer announced in December, the termination of about 8,000 contract and temp agency workers, and the reduction of 4,000 full-time factory workers through firings and buyouts.

Texas Instruments Inc., which makes chips for cell phones and other gadgets, will cut 3,400 jobs due to slumping demand. The Dallas-based company said Monday it will slash 12 percent of its work force -- 1,800 jobs through layoffs and another 1,600 through voluntary retirements and departures. And Brooks Automation Inc. said it plans to get rid of 350 jobs, or 20 percent of its work force. It will be the second round of cuts for Brooks, which makes software and equipment for chip manufacturers.

Oilfield services provider Halliburton Co. said it will eliminate jobs in markets particularly hard hit by the recession, though it didn't provide details. Its larger rival Schlumberger Ltd. said last week it will cut up to 5,000 jobs worldwide in the first half of 2009 and consider further reductions this spring.

The flurry of layoffs comes on the heels of similar action by big-name companies just last week.

Microsoft Corp. said it will slash up to 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months. Intel Corp. said it will cut up to 6,000 manufacturing jobs. And United Airlines parent UAL Corp. said it would get rid of 1,000 jobs, on top of 1,500 axed late last year.

And there's no end in sight. In a survey by the National Association for Business Economics, 39 percent of forecasters predicted job reductions through attrition or "significant" layoffs over the next six months, up from 32 percent in the previous survey in October. Around 45 percent in the current survey anticipated no change in hiring plans. About 17 percent thought hiring would increase.

A new report by the placement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas found that companies are often turning to a creative combination of measures to cut costs -- beyond layoffs. Those measures include pay freezes or reductions, forced vacations, travel cutbacks and the elimination of year-end bonuses.

"Many companies cannot cut their payrolls as deeply as they have in previous downturns, simply because they did not do as much hiring during the most recent expansion," said John Challenger, president of the firm. "As a result, they are forced to find alternative ways to keep costs down."

Not all the economic news was as grim Monday. Sales of previously owned homes and a separate barometer of economic activity each logged unexpected gains in December. But economists didn't view them as signs of improvement.

"Keep the party hats in boxes and the Champagne in the cellar," said Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group. "It's one month's set of data and they tell us little about the future."

Economists said the uptick in home sales was due to sinking prices spurring buyers. In the other report, a government-influenced balloon in the nation's money supply largely affected the outcome.

Wall Street closed moderately higher. The Dow Jones industrials rose 38.47,or 0.48 percent, to 8,116.03, after briefly moving into negative territory.

The National Association of Realtors said sales of existing homes rose 6.5 percent to an annual rate of 4.74 million last month. Buyers took advantage of dramatically lower prices, especially in distressed states like California, Florida and Nevada, where foreclosures are soaring.

The nationwide median sales price sank to $175,400, down 15.3 percent from a year ago. That marked the biggest annual drop on records going back to 1968. The median is the middle point, where half the homes sell for more and half for less.

For all of last year, existing-home sales totaled 4.9 million, down more than 13 percent from the previous year, and the lowest since 1997.

Meanwhile, the Conference Board's monthly forecast of economic activity rose 0.3 percent in December. But that pickup was influenced mainly by federal efforts to ease the credit crisis, which caused the supply of money to expand. If the jump in the money supply were excluded, the board's index would have dropped sharply, economists said.

The national economy, meanwhile, is continuing to backslide.

Many analysts predict the economy will have contracted at a pace of 5.4 percent in the fourth quarter when the government releases that report Friday. If they are correct, that would mark the worst performance since a 6.4 percent drop in the first quarter of 1982. The economy is still contracting now -- at a pace of around 4 percent, according to some projections.

AP Business Writers Ellen Simon and Alan Zibel contributed to this report.
http://www.ft.com/indepth/recession

http://www.ft.com/cms/8787ae00-2a26-11d ... 10621.html
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7852484.stm

BBC

Massive layoffs as gloom deepens

Many firms expect 2009 to be very tough.

Workers around the world face losing their jobs as several big corporations announced more than 70,000 layoffs in one single day.

The biggest cuts came in the US where construction equipment maker Caterpillar said it would cut around 20,000 jobs.

In Europe, electronics group Philips, financial firm ING and UK steelmaker Corus announced cuts.

The announcements underscore the depth of the global downturn.

"Without a doubt, 2009 will be a very tough year," said Caterpillar chief executive Jim Owens.

Many of the companies making layoffs unveiled poor financial results and issued gloomy outlooks for 2009.

Caterpillar said its fourth-quarter net profit fell 32% from a year ago to $661m (£482m).

Stimulus plan urged

US President Barack Obama cited the layoff announcements as he urged Congress to approve an $825bn economic stimulus package of tax cuts, emergency benefits and public spending projects.

"Those are not just numbers," he said, but more working men and women "whose families have been disrupted and whose dreams have been put on hold".


GLOBAL JOB CUTS
Caterpillar - 20,000
ING - 7,000
Philips - 6,000
Corus - 3,500
Home Depot - 7,000
Pfizer/Wyeth - 20,000
Texas Instruments - 3,400
Sprint Nextel - 8,000
General Motors - 2,000

The companies making the biggest job cuts include:

* US technology firm Texas Instruments, which makes chips for mobile phones and other gadgets, said it would cut 3,400 jobs, or 12% of its workforce, because demand for electronic devices had fallen.
* Dutch banking giant ING, which said it was to cut 7,000 jobs as it seeks to save 1bn euros ($1.29bn; £949m).

* Steelmaker Corus confirmed that it was cutting 3,500 jobs worldwide, including about 2,500 in the UK. The firm is a subsidiary of India's Tata Steel.

* Consumer electronics giant Philips has reported a fourth quarter loss of 1.47bn euros and said it would cut 6,000 jobs.

* US retailer Home Depot, the world's largest home improvement chain, said it would eliminate 7,000 jobs, or 2% of its work force, as it closes its Expo home design unit.
* US mobile phone service provider Sprint Nextel says it plan sto reduce its workforce by 8,000 as it seeks to cut costs.

* US drugmaker Pfizer said it planned to cut up to 20,000 jobs after it announced a $68bn (£50bn) deal to buy rival Wyeth.

* General Motors said it would shed 2,000 jobs at plants in Michigan and Ohio and cut production at several plants over the next six months.
* Last week Microsoft said it would cut 5,000 jobs, while Intel said it would eliminate 6,000
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With all the job cuts going around, seems to me the US military won't have any trouble meeting recruiting goals.

This year, chances are all manner of sarkari jobs in Des, including those in the IA hopefully, should see renewed interest and applications.

There's another palpable trend amongst the slightly more econ-aware crowd in massaland - schaudenfraude-lite at the fact that though we (i.e. US) aren't doing too great, other economies are doing worse. The dollar surge-lite in recent times against other currencies gives some sheen to such arguments. The dire straits of EUland, Japan and even PRC is further proof. News stories have also (at least since Nov'08) given prominence to how China and India have suffered from the global slowdown (including an Economist cover story). I applaud the cove-rage. I hope the Indian minnow passes beneath the radar and doesn;t attract too much attn or sharkish hot funds in the next few yrs. Our giddy fall from the 25k sensex levels needs time and sobereity to recover from. Also, I do hope desi entrepreneurs and firms make the most of the emerging desi opportunity. negative cove-rage abroad helps in that direction, albeit indirectly.
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The jihad against "foreigners" has now begun with the difficult times

Senator questions, prods Microsoft on inclusion of H-1B workers in layoffs

Of course its another matter that the law requires the company to treat all employees equally. Meanwhile the Slashdot crowd has started their jihad as well:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid ... 45&tid=109

Expect similar incidents to happen elsewhere as well. Londonistan already has shut its doors to non-EU work permit holders, and plans are afoot to deny existing non-EU citizens (but legal residents ) medical coverage as well.
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Tanaji wrote:The jihad against "foreigners" has now begun with the difficult times

Senator questions, prods Microsoft on inclusion of H-1B workers in layoffs

Of course its another matter that the law requires the company to treat all employees equally. Meanwhile the Slashdot crowd has started their jihad as well:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid ... 45&tid=109

Expect similar incidents to happen elsewhere as well. Londonistan already has shut its doors to non-EU work permit holders, and plans are afoot to deny existing non-EU citizens (but legal residents ) medical coverage as well.
Let's note it down. Looks like the idea of this has roots in Pukeland - it does not make sense for repubs to make this an issue.

However, look at the ability of folks in US to turn dead cards into the cards of value. The correct and immidiate response from India is to at least publicly quoting an official who would not want to be named saying that these type of measures will adversely affect Hi-Tech trade between India and US. In this f'up economy, last thing US companies, especially the Hi-Tech ones, need is an emerging economy with some clout to be p!issed off. Q109 results will open people's eyes and will remove whatever doubt as to where the companies need to focus - at that time, all such rhetoric will come to an end.
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Roubini Sees ‘Nowhere to Hide’ From Global Slowdown
Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Stock market declines globally are increasingly correlated and emerging economies will follow developed nations into a “severe recession,” according to New York University Professor Nouriel Roubini.

Roubini said economic growth in China will slow to less than 5 percent and the U.S. will lose 6 million jobs. The American economy will expand 1 percent at most in 2010 as private spending falls and unemployment climbs to 9 percent, Roubini said.

“There is nowhere to hide,” Roubini, an economics professor at NYU’s Stern School of Business who predicted the financial crisis, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “We have for the first time in decades a global synchronized recession. Markets have become perfectly correlated and economies are also becoming perfectly correlated. This is not your kind of traditional minor recession.”
No doubt left to my mind that this isn't a garden variety downturn.

That said, the jobs scenario is darkening evermore. Yes, I expect things to turn ugly here. Am happy 2 report an R2I move this summer. SHQ initially wasn't too enthused and I am hard put to explain why hanging on in massaland over the next few yrs isn't going to be as much fun as twas in the last few.
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shouldnt that be easy? the explaining r2i part....none but the most optimist would not see the reality in the over leveraged economies.
but in india too the situation could take a few turns for the worse.

only farmers and govt employees are ok.
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GD, Even those might be at risk. Govts need taxes to run and in a slump are not available. And farmers need people to buy their produce.
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She too like hajaar other desis, too easily falls prey to appearences onlee.... quality of aam life appears hajaar better* in yamrika than in the dust and grime of yindia. No doubt it prolly is better also. Just that the coming months are so unpredictable that the unlikely chance of (black swan) of something going wrong with our neat li'l lives scares me flat.

*besides, she having trained in law, i suspect satisfaction, challenge, risk, meaning etc at work (not 2 mention billings, hours) means very different things to 'em law folks than to aam nerds like moi.... :((
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Noble onlee...working class solidarity too. The fact that pay is down by cutting working hrs and not trimming the employee rolls means UKstani firms pay little by means of 'employee benefits' as commonly understood in Yankistan? nJust wondering onlee.

Britain set to return to the three-day work week
The prospect of the three-day week returned to haunt Britain yesterday as it emerged that ministers are considering paying firms to cut hours in order to survive the recession.

While the move would safeguard jobs, it would mean that the financial crisis is on a much larger scale, further undermining confidence in the economy with the suggestion of Britain grinding to a halt.
Interestingly what does it mean that the govt will 'compensate' the firms? Firms pay workers for 3 days and the govt pays for the other 2? The implication in the expansion of govt support to ever newer parts of the economy leads to the inevitable onlee......

'Soviet' Britain swells amid recession
PARTS of the United Kingdom have become so heavily dependent on government spending that the private sector is generating less than a third of the regional economy, a new analysis has found.

The study of “Soviet Britain” has found the government’s share of output and expenditure has now surged to more than 60% in some areas of England and over 70% elsewhere.

Experts believe the recession will tighten the state’s grip still further as benefit handouts soar and Labour directs public sector organisations to create jobs to soak up unemployment.

In the northeast of England the state is expected to be responsible for 66.4% of the economy this year, up from 58.7% when a similar study was carried out four years ago. When Labour came to power, the figure was 53.8%.

Across the whole of the UK, 49% of the economy will consist of state spending, while in Wales, the figure will be 71.6% – up from 59% in 2004-5. Nowhere in mainland Britain, however, comes close to Northern Ireland, where the state is responsible for 77.6% of spending, despite the supposed resurgence of the economy after the end of the Troubles.
Whoa! How can the state account for >50% of the econ and manage to sustain itself? Ain't the govt supposed to live on taxes that are levied on the productive parts of the economy i.e. the non-governmental part? No wonder the 'investing community' is losing confidence in the great $hitain economy. I await the day the bond mkt tanks in UKstan..... At this rate even a diehard Ukstan sceptic like me has got to pause and ponder if things are even worse there than I'd hoped.... The upside is decreased productivity, earnings, wages, spending, asset valuations, and GDP. The spiral tightens and accelerates. :roll:

Meanwhile, one conspiracy theorist (or not) writes...
2 semi-employed workers are less likely to throw out a government (e.g., Iceland) than 1 fully employed worker and an unemployed worker

this is all about keeping control
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vsudhir, She is lawyer from US. If so dont do a Purab aur Paschim on her.
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Microsoft removed a majority of high paid employees as opposed to H1Bs becasue they are cheaper. Senators/aum junta talk does not matter and the companies will do what is profitable for them.
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Ledu ramana garu, aame trained in india on indian civil and criminal law. Besides, we're both agreed desi schooling would be best for the kid(s).
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Muppalla wrote:Microsoft removed a majority of high paid employees as opposed to H1Bs becasue they are cheaper. Senators/aum junta talk does not matter and the companies will do what is profitable for them.
Issue is it'll get ugly. 'em khans are typically nice folks face to face but where we're heading aren't likely typical times onlee...
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well UK and France were the crucible where world communist theory and class struggle was
forged by leftist thinkers. this virus infected everyone from Lenin to Nehru and we can see
the damage caused by the epidemic.

Nice to see these two leaders return back to their eminent cultural moorings.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009 ... es-banking

Academics writing in the National Bureau of Economic Research also argue that the higher wages in the financial industry will eventually disappear. "Wages in finance were excessively high around 1930 and from the mid 1990s until 2006," Thomas Philippon of New York University and Ariell Reshef of the University of Virginia said.

Even after a year such as the last, when taxpayers around the world have bailed out their banks, bonuses have still been paid. UBS is the latest, preparing to pay out bonuses from a bonus pool reported to be SFr2bn (£1.24bn). Regulators are said to have forced a SFR1bn reduction in the size of the total payouts. Bonuses, though, nonetheless.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009 ... ool-cities

As European capital of culture, it attracted 15 million tourists, an estimated £800m boost to the local economy and plaudits from Andy Burnham, the culture secretary, who proclaimed it had forged a "renewed sense of pride and confidence".

But Liverpool is due to come down to earth with a bump this year after a thinktank warned that it is among the three British cities that are most vulnerable to the recession.

The Centre for Cities has placed Liverpool, Belfast and Hull on "red alert" status in a review of the social, economic and environmental strengths and weaknesses of 64 cities in the UK.

"The capital of culture and the associated investment did provide a boost to Liverpool and the £1bn investment in retail means Liverpool is now the fifth busiest shopping destination in the country," said Dermot Finch, director of the Centre for Cities.

"What is more, its secondary schools are now producing GCSE results which are just above the national average. But none of that can insulate Liverpool from the effects of the recession in the next couple of years. It has the lowest rate of employment in the whole country and the highest number of benefit claimants. It is in for a harder ride than it might think."

The findings come in Cities Outlook 2009, published today, which suggests the north/south divide is likely to return in stark form during the downturn, with job losses biting deepest in northern cities as "urban renaissance" is followed by "urban recession".

Reading, Oxford and Cambridge, all in the south, are predicted to weather the storm with least damage. The report warns the economic boom enjoyed by many urban areas has been marred by continued inequality and deprivation.

Oxford, Cambridge, Crawley and Reading were consistently among the best performers in 2008 when judged by economic and social indicators, while Stoke, Sunderland, Blackburn and Hull were consistently among the worst.

Liverpool is also the most socially deprived city in the UK when judged on wages, life expectancy, crime and the number of people on benefits, while Manchester, which has been widely hailed as the best example of urban regeneration in Britain in the last decade, is ranked the most unequal city in the UK, based on the government's own index of multiple deprivation.

The findings will disappoint ministers who have launched numerous initiatives over the last decade aimed at strengthening the economies of northern cities and have heralded the gleaming architecture which has transformed places such as Liverpool and Manchester as evidence of a change in fortunes. "Despite the rhetoric, Britain's cities are not all well placed to weather the storm," says the report. "No city will escape the recession unscathed."

Seven northern towns and cities, headed by Hull, Barnsley and Doncaster, are among the 10 which have seen the largest increase in claimants for jobseekers' allowance in the year to November 2008, while seven in the south, including Norwich, Peterborough, Reading and Oxford, are among those least affected.

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vsudhir wrote:She too like hajaar other desis, too easily falls prey to appearences onlee.... quality of aam life appears hajaar better* in yamrika than in the dust and grime of yindia. ((
Sudhir saar, not just "appears". Quality of life is definitely many times better by quite a few metrics than that among the dust and grime of India as noted. Every person just amplifies what matters to them most. Infact, its important that one does. It makes the decision process crisp. Nothing new of course. We have had quite a few r2i type discussions on brf. Anymore BRFites planning the r2i move?

Btw, what do folks think about the schooling comparison between massa and India. Having had a chance to compare it for a li'l while. We am still in the lookout for the place which offers the right balance. Any opinions from folks who have r2i'd from the bay area and the sun valley (challenger, new vistas etc..).
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Satya_anveshi wrote:Let's note it down. Looks like the idea of this has roots in Pukeland - it does not make sense for repubs to make this an issue.
The repubs have been making an issue of immigration for a long time now. The party started going that way after the Christian Right took over the party in the 90s.

Meanwhile some Indian is leading the charge at a labor union -

Microsoft: H-1B workers among those losing jobs
I know this is a secret they will try very hard to keep," said Priyanka Joshi, a spokeswoman for WashTech.

Citing an Indian press report that says Microsoft is not laying off employees at its India operations, Joshi said the move to lay off workers in the U.S. and not overseas "is completely unfair."
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Dont blame that Washtech spokeswoman Priyanka Joshi . She is just a "token black/nigger" , cleverly put up by the union management folks and a nice way to show "diversity" and "not against targeted at Indian / Indian origin folks who are citizens etc..etc". She is just being a good American.

The bigger spokesman/ "totem" against outsourcing is Ron Hira who is an Asst. Prof at RPI and his brother Anil Hira. Lets face it. Job losses hit all folks everywhere, including Indian Americans. It is just a classic case where the interest of India and the interests of Indian-Americans don't converge in certain areas.

Look at that guy Markos or whoever who came over and started dissing Indian companies here on that board on "unethical" practices and the whine about folks on the receiving end on how "quality" is bad on the outsourced side , when all empirical evidence shows that the outsources probably have better ethics and more robust formal quality systems and customer satisfaction scores that the parent orgs themselves . I understand where they are coming from. But be truthful over it. Talk about the effect of that on the guys at the receiving end is legitimate. But muck racking and spreading rank canards on ethics","quality" etc is so much bunk and is not something that can be condoned. That is why I administered such a quick kick on his pants. Folks like him are long term losers in the trend.

In fact, I would say that the folks most threatened if is the folks who went over long ago and got green cards etc or native folks out there who are in the EDP depts of most large corps. Ok, if it is outsourcing, you scream and say that the jobs moved to India. What will happen when the ongoing changes take root and stuff moves over to Software as a Service, "Cloud" etc , when the IT support costs and head count will drop to next to nothing and software can be configured to a business process by a consultant / business user nearly on the fly ?. Who will you scream at in that case when you lost jobs to productivity ?. Outsourcing too decreases cost (and not all that is pure labor arbitrage, the productivity in the Indian IT/Vity shops is much higher than a typical corp EDP). So how can you prevent both ? . It is futile and basically being a luddite. It is like the old story of trying to stop mechanized looms becuase the spinners and weavers will go out of work, stopping the automated telephone exchange because the switch board women who plugged in wires to connect calls will go out of work!.

It is just ridiculous. Imagine with the huge explosion of all sorts of devices and if we had the luddites have the way and prevented automated switches, we would have EVERY WOMAN in the world in front of a switch board plugging wires to complete calls, and everyone will be much poorer and costs much higher. In fact that is the kind of world the Indian commies have wet dreams of and could enforce until recently with stuff like prohibitions against computerization and no ATMs in banks etc (cashiers lose jobs). It is a massive farce.

The fact is to have moral clarity on it and take things based on reality and not make believe. Marx might have said, "Workers of the World Unite" , and our commies tom tom it and take out rallies on May Day. But however, every Union, just like anything else in business is to barriers to deter competition . Here it is to erect entry barriers to labor competition so that the higher wage rates of the union members are protected.

Now that is what the Washtech guys are trying to do !. Now, if the "Workers of the World Unite" were true, you would have thought that Washtech would have actively canvassed the H1B guys too and included them in their union right?. No sir, try getting any H1B or any non Citizen/ Non Green Card type to sign up and he/she will be summarily shown the door!. The CAN and WILL discriminate you on the basis of citizenship status. Now get the citizen ship and kick them in the balls. That is the way to deal with them.

For every desi from India reading this post. Please hear this well. YOUR FRIENDS ARE THE BUSINESSES AND YOUR EMPLOYERS WHO WANT YOU. Your interests converge with theirs and not the US counterpart of our CPI/CPM types who will dish out pious platitudes on "Workers Rights" and then trample you underfoot because they can. (however contrast the antagonism of the limousine liberals to the law abiding H1/L1s with the total embrace of the illegal mexicans , who actually squeeze the wages of a far higher number of more vulnerable americans a lot more in proportion).

I learnt this first hand when i was a TA in college. The union was trying to organize and the college resisted and it went for a vote. In the voting hall , the "Union" contested my vote on the ground of status. That is when you know what the game really is. For the idiot JNU types in India who make "common cause" with the "left/union types " outside India, I think they are basically inimical to my and the vast majority of folks similar to mine, interests and cause and are traitors.
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vina wrote:Dont blame that Washtech spokeswoman Priyanka Joshi .
Not blame as such, just wonder how one can support Washtech types. The commie influence in India must run deep as this one is a recent arrival in the US (2000) and writes for Indian newspapers (Indian Express, Hindustan Times, Business Standard).
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NYT

Murder-Suicide Leaves 7 Dead in California

By REBECCA CATHCART and RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Published: January 28, 2009

LOS ANGELES — A man shot and killed his wife and five young children before taking his own life Tuesday, apparently out of despair after the couple lost their jobs at a hospital, the police and city officials said.

A body being removed Tuesday from a house where seven died in a working-class neighborhood near the Port of Los Angeles.

Officers responding to 911 calls placed by the man, Ervin A. Lupoe, and by a television station to which Mr. Lupoe had sent a fax around 8:30 a.m., found seven bodies in a house in Wilmington, a working-class neighborhood near the Port of Los Angeles.

A police spokesman said the bodies were identified as Mr. Lupoe; his wife, Ana; their 8-year-old daughter and two sets of twins (5-year-old girls and 2-year-old boys).

Mr. Lupoe had telephoned and sent a fax to KABC-TV that indicated “he was despondent over a job situation and he saw no reasonable way out,”
said Lt. John Romero, a police spokesman.

The two-page, typewritten letter made clear he was going to kill his family and himself. The station quickly called 911 to report the letter and then posted it on the station Web site after the bodies were discovered.

The letter said Mr. Lupoe and his wife had worked as medical technicians at a Kaiser Permanente hospital in West Los Angeles, but recently lost their jobs after a dispute with an administrator.
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parents now paying to land unpaid internships for their kids
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310699999022549.html
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U.S. House Panel Approves Mortgage Measure
A measure to allow judges to reduce the principal amounts of mortgages for troubled borrowers in bankruptcy cleared a key hurdle Tuesday when it was approved by a U.S. House panel.
...
Under the legislation, borrowers would be eligible to have a bankruptcy judge reduce the principal balance on their home loan -- a move known as a "cram down."
So you can get your mortgage, that you got suckered into buying maybe, reduced in the principal amount by a judge. Sweet. And then both you and the jadej can share the spoils maybe? Wait, the bank likely has more to share, eh?
In key concessions to the banking industry, Mr. Conyers agreed to alter the legislation to allow court-ordered modifications only for existing mortgages and to require that borrowers contact their lender at least 15 days before filing bankruptcy.
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In another change, the legislation will now require recipients of cram downs who resell their home within five years to share the proceeds with their lender.
OK. at least there's a grandfathering clause in there. Some relief, that. But like the new clear genie, once its outta the bottle, its a slippery slope onlee. Imagine now what other kinda grab can now be legalized as well... Don;t like the rent you are paying, get a judge to reduce it perhaps?

But there are folks out there say its a great move that would discipline lenders in the future.
I am fully in favor of removing restrictions on modifications of mortgage loans in Chapter 13, but not necessarily because that helps current borrowers out of a jam. I'm in favor of it because I think it will be part of a range of regulatory and legal changes that will help prevent future borrowers from getting into a lot of jams, which is to say that it will, contra MBA, actually help "stabilize" the residential mortgage market in the long term. Any industry that wants special treatment under the law because of the socially vital nature of its services needs to offer socially viable services, and since the industry has displayed no ability or willingness to quit partying on its own, then treat it like any other partier under BK law.
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More shrugs...
Fact #1. Too big to save. Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup, Inc. have combined assets of $3.9 trillion, or 43 times the size of the Treasury bailout funds they’ve received to date.

Fact #2. Bigger losses ahead. Even before any further declines in the economy, an unusually large portion of their assets are already in grave jeopardy — commercial real estate loans going sour, credit cards loans tanking, auto loans sinking, and residential mortgages turning to dust. Now, as the economy continues to tumble, avoiding much larger losses will be almost impossible.

Fact #3. Big derivatives players. Bank of America and Citigroup are the nation’s second and third largest high-rollers in the derivatives market, with a combined total of $78 trillion in these bets outstanding. That’s over ten times the derivatives that Lehman Brothers had on its books when it failed last year.

Fact #4. They’ve bet far too much on each other’s failure. Bank of America and Citigroup are also the second and third largest participants in the most dangerous derivatives of all — credit default swaps. These are the big bets that financial institutions make on the failure of other major companies.

But participants in this market are like shipwrecked sailors in a sinking lifeboat betting fortunes on who will live and who will survive: If a company bets too heavily on failures and too many companies actually fail, who’s going to make good on those bets?
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vsudhir, there is good discussion on mortgage modification (aka cram down) on calculated risk. Their conclusion, and I agree with it, is that mortgage modification would have been a good idea without the grandfathering clause because it would force lenders to be more careful in the future.
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How is the health sector doing in the US?
I mean specifically Doctors and Jobs and salaries. Is the downturn also affecting them too? Are new recruitments affected? Are there pink slips being issued?
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Thx Nandu.

Yes, CR is among my must-reads aajkal.

Meanwhile, big trouble brewing in the credit card market. Analysts Fear $1 Trillion Credit Card Market Could Be Next Big Crash.
Even as the subprime mortgage fallout continues its ripple effect across the economy, fiscal storm-watchers have an eye on the next gathering cloud: nearly $1 trillion of consumer credit card debt. Defaults are up; in November, the percentage of charge-offs — money card issuers give up on ever collecting — rose to 5.62 percent. According to some economists, that percentage could double before this current downturn is over. The bearish RGE Monitor predicts the default rate could rise as high as 13 percent, eclipsing the previous high-water mark of a 7.85 percent in the first quarter of 2002.

This is bad news for the banks and third-party investors that hold this debt, as well as for consumers hit with the double-whammy of rising unemployment and restricted credit. Americans are relying on their credit cards to an ever-increasing degree. In 2008, the average credit card balance was $11,212, according to CardTrak.com. Compare this to 15 years ago, when the average credit card debt was a comparatively paltry $4,306. Factors like California’s plan to delay income tax refunds and long-jobless workers running out their unemployment benefits don’t help the situation, either. With no silver-bullet solution in sight, economists and analysts are nervous.
And pray why might CC firms suddenly feel so jittery? Seems they can take a leaf outta the book of the traditional banks which keenly track defaults as a function of general unemployment levels.
Bankers' unemployment fears materialize
Bankers' worst nightmare is the unemployment rate climbing toward 10%, a level at which credit losses could balloon unpredictably because of high defaults among people with previously strong credit histories.
....
Why the trepidation of going above 9%? Take a regular credit-card book. Past data show that a percentage-point increase in unemployment leads to roughly a percentage-point rise in the charge-off rate, the amount of defaulted loans written off at a loss.

But as unemployment exceeds 9%, bankers think charge-offs will start to increase by more than the increase in unemployment. The reason? A high rate could cause an unprecedented wave of defaults among prime borrowers, who tend to have bigger loan balances.

"The situation is so extreme and beyond what we've seen in past cycles that management teams are becoming reluctant to predict the relationship between unemployment and credit losses," said Kevin Fitzsimmons, analyst at Sandler O'Neill & Partners.
So yup, you guessed right, the CC companies are embarking on a grand harvest while you can scheme (scam?).
The industry also is bracing for sweeping changes approved last month by the Federal Reserve to revamp rules governing penalty fees and rates. Among other things, card issuers will be required to send a bill at least 21 days before the due date so consumers have time to make payment before getting slapped with a late fee. And bankers won't be able to raise rates on existing balances unless a payment is more than 30 days late.

"They see the writing on the wall, and when these rules take effect, their ability to impose penalty rates and penalty fees are going to be so greatly curtailed that in the interim period they'll be aggressive in trying to impose fees to the letter of the law that's in the account agreements," said Ben Woolsey, director of marketing and consumer research at creditcards.com.
Awrite. 'Nuff gloom n doom for today.
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p_saggu wrote:How is the health sector doing in the US?
I mean specifically Doctors and Jobs and salaries. Is the downturn also affecting them too? Are new recruitments affected? Are there pink slips being issued?
p_saggu, please see reply in Global Economy thread. vsudhir, isn't most of the recent stuff posted here more apt for that thread?
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vina wrote:

Look at that guy Markos or whoever who came over and started dissing Indian companies here on that board on "unethical" practices and the whine about folks on the receiving end on how "quality" is bad on the outsourced side , when all empirical evidence shows that the outsources probably have better ethics and more robust formal quality systems and customer satisfaction scores that the parent orgs themselves . I understand where they are coming from. But be truthful over it. Talk about the effect of that on the guys at the receiving end is legitimate. But muck racking and spreading rank canards on ethics","quality" etc is so much bunk and is not something that can be condoned. That is why I administered such a quick kick on his pants. Folks like him are long term losers in the trend.
Whatever I wrote in this forum is backed up by proof, unlike you frothing at the mouth when Wipro/Satyam is exposed. Someone else wrote here about how an offshorer put 100 FTEs to do 20 FTE worth of work (probably it is the same deal where the offshorer can dump anyone without client site interviews). I have worked at companies that use offshore labor and the ones that don't and has witnessed the "quality" of CMM level-5. I have provided you examples of how Indian companies still do time and material which was again backed up by another poster that talked about 100 FTEs billing for time and material.

I expect more scrutiny of offshoring practices especially with financial services companies on govt. welfare now which are big revenue generators for offshore companies

On quality, did you read the CIO magazine article on how CMM ratings are often rigged or misused?
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So if H1-b should be allowed to keep at the expense of the Citizens or permanent residents, how do you explain this policy practiced by Indian companies ?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Exp ... 039529.cms
NEW DELHI: Expatriate executives, who were the flavour of the season when India was riding high on a 9%-plus growth rate, are now becoming the Job-cuts: A blessing in disguise
Cos that are hiring
first ones to get the pink slip as Indian industry, hit by the slowdown, starts looking within the country for inexpensive hires.

“Many of the expatriate executives, who have been asked to leave, are subject experts. Their value diminishes in a downturn as companies are no more expanding, and thus don’t need people to guide in a new venture,” says K Sudarshan, MD of executive search firm EMA Partners’ India unit.

Since October 2008, there has been a spate of replacements of expat executives with Indian professionals at the senior level.
So I assume, there should be one policy while you are in India, yet a totally different policy while you are in US. Then what is the point in blaming Ron Hira or Priyanka Joshi? :rotfl: :rotfl:

What is good for the goose should be good for gander too, don't you think.... :mrgreen:
She is just a "token black/nigger" , cleverly put up by the union management
Hmmmm.... where did I hear some similar racial slur recently? That is right, how Al-Queda described Obama as "house negro"!!

Apparently Vina not only advocates for employers, he can even take the same line as Al-Queda in doing that :rotfl: :rotfl:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01703.html
Soon after the November election, al-Qaeda's No. 2 leader took stock of America's new president-elect and dismissed him with an insulting epithet. "A house Negro," Ayman al-Zawahiri said.
think they are basically inimical to my and the vast majority of folks similar to mine
Now I get it - when you are talking about by "folks similar to mine", I suppose you mean Ayman al-Zawahiri :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Muppalla wrote:Microsoft removed a majority of high paid employees as opposed to H1Bs becasue they are cheaper. Senators/aum junta talk does not matter and the companies will do what is profitable for them.
H1Bs are supposed to be paid the same or higher salary as the local workforce. Now if you are saying that is incorrect, you are admitting that these companies using H1-Bs are violating the law.

Usually layoffs occur at specific groups, departments in the company or based on seniority (last-in, first-out) . Not based on salary and if a company is doing that, it could be illegal too. Usually during mergers, companies layoff entire departments and sometimes hire a few back by advertising new jobs.

Also, opposition to H1-B is not coming from Grassley alone, he is supported by democrat Dick Durbin, the second most powerful senator.
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markos wrote:Whatever I wrote in this forum is backed up by proof, unlike you frothing at the mouth when Wipro/Satyam is exposed. Someone else wrote here about how an offshorer put 100 FTEs to do 20 FTE worth of work (probably it is the same deal where the offshorer can dump anyone without client site interviews).
Proof! :rotfl: :rotfl: . What we had was some random rambling , and some anecdotal garbage passed of as "facts" and frankly,wrt Wipro it is World Bank employees, specifically the former CIO and others who are in trouble and that too with possibly criminal liability. Wipro was totally legally and ethically above board on that. So go after your own folks, the WB "employees" who are corrupt to the core and don't go shooting at others ,especially since World Bank has protection against legal liabilities and cannot be taken to court as it is a part of UN. Any other company could have got sued for the kind of statements they put out on Wipro for reputational damage (working with vendor X or not is someones prerogative, but throwing muck for totally bogus reasons can result in serious damages to you).

As for the 100 vs 20, you are talking of the same Satyam and dishonest business practices. I know that you simply dont have the brains to think beyond your nose, but read up on something called "fallacy of composition".
I have worked at companies that use offshore labor and the ones that don't and has witnessed the "quality" of CMM level-5. I have provided you examples of how Indian companies still do time and material which was again backed up by another poster that talked about 100 FTEs billing for time and material.
Who cares of what you saw with your jaundiced eyes. The facts are out there and well accepted. So go take a walk.I Yeah yeah, try convincing anyone that your back yard NJ body shopping shack is better than an a top tier Indian vendor or an IBM or Accenture. Good luck.

And frankly, I dont understand why SHOULDN"T indian companies do FTE billing? . Should that be a protected corner for your NJ body shop ?. Tough luck. If the customers want it, and it is profitable, they will do it!. Everyone does it, including ACN, IBM GS etc and the consulting wings of vendors like Oracle etc. So what is your beef? So what happens if a guy working in Oracle Consulting on an H1 gets billed on an FTE ?. Is he being exploited, even if he gets paid $125K?.
On quality, did you read the CIO magazine article on how CMM ratings are often rigged or misused?
Again, read up on "fallacy of composition" . There will be multiple stories in the same CIO magazine singing hosannas for CMM or whatever , for every one that you quote !. It is the rant of one person on CIO vs 100s of others who had great experiences!. Kapisch ?
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markos wrote:So if H1-b should be allowed to keep at the expense of the Citizens or permanent residents, how do you explain this policy practiced by Indian companies ?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Exp ... 039529.cms
NEW DELHI: Expatriate executives, who were the flavour of the season when India was riding high on a 9%-plus growth rate, are now becoming the Job-cuts: A blessing in disguise
Cos that are hiring
first ones to get the pink slip as Indian industry, hit by the slowdown, starts looking within the country for inexpensive hires.

“Many of the expatriate executives, who have been asked to leave, are subject experts. Their value diminishes in a downturn as companies are no more expanding, and thus don’t need people to guide in a new venture,” says K Sudarshan, MD of executive search firm EMA Partners’ India unit.

Since October 2008, there has been a spate of replacements of expat executives with Indian professionals at the senior level.
Who says the Indian IT companies are not doing exactly the same thing in the US? . I know for someone who lives in make believe and not reality, it is difficult to think otherwise.

Listen carefully , these are FACTs, not make believe .. and dont throw garbage about what you "saw" or "heard" from someone who came over in 1990 or whenever (then the avg US wage in IT was 36K or so).

For a major tier 1 Indian IT company or anyone else for that matter ( I dont know about TCS, but I know the Bangalore based guys and CTS, for tier II, experienced hires would be even more expensive), the avg cost per employee on H1 onsite is upwards of $85k.Disabuse yourself of the notion of "poorly paid", 'cheap' and all that rubbish and Pakiness you pumped yourself to think that you were paid better and indeed if it were it was because you were "better" , including your "quality".

There is tremendous pressure to bring back to India, their more experienced folks who are taking home significantly above that number and hire local American kids who are graduating out of college with starting salaries of $30K or so. In fact the Bangalore based guys have numerical targets to hire fresh college grads. This is the classic business model of the Big 4 and all services companies including high end strategy shops of McKinsey, Bain,BCG, BAH and others and All law firms. They always manage the bulge and it is the "rise or out " policy , to keep the base of the pyramid big and keep overall staffing costs in check. It is not for nothing that Infy has such an out of the world and incredible training center in Mysore where they spend hundreds of crores in training.

Now what wont happen is that they and the Accentures, IBMs and others are not going to go and hire thousands of "highly experienced" folks who spent a long part of their lives doing Oracle or Mainframe or Java or whatever, unless they are absolute rainmakers and bring skills that are unique. I know that is tough and maybe "unfair", but that is life.

For folks like you and others who think barriers to productivity and innovation (like the anti computer and ATM commies or the anti spinning loom luddites of the 19th century) is the way forward and that you can safely spend 30 years growing whatever they wanted you grow on the plantation and live your life secure and protected in your slave quarters, tough luck. You are on the wrong side of history , and a sincere advice to actively do something other than futile "king Canute like stuff of ordering waves back" like with your shrill FUD campaign against reality , to prepare yourself for the changed and changeing world . Remember, long term, most probably you will lose your job to productivity and technology changes like SaaS /Cloud etc , rather than any offshore (which is a limited , albeit near term/immediate threat)
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salesforce.com toll free number is 1-800-NO-SOFTWARE for their SaaS offerings :((

btw on this BR page I am hearing some strange music and some screeching noises. aliens trying to communicate to us?
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Let us see
"Vina" - {deleted} - claims that Indian companies don't do any time and material work, only project work. no staff augmentation. When proof is presented to the contrary, he asks "why SHOULDN"T indian companies do FTE billing?" :rotfl: :rotfl: That is what I stated before, Indian companies bid in high $20 - low $30 as blended rate and become a preferental vendor like any other bodyshop.
Disabuse yourself of the notion of "poorly paid", 'cheap' and all that rubbish and Pakiness you pumped yourself to think that you were paid
I am not the one who said H1-B workers are underpaid, it was mentioned "Muppalla" as the reason for the H1's to be employed while higher paid americans should be laid off. All I stated here was, if that is the reason, how that could be violating laws (just like giving gifts to employees of fincncial services company that got Wipro blacklisted). Open your eyes and read what is posted here before going on suicide bombing mission on the forum like your buddy Al-Zawahiri.
most probably you will lose your job to productivity and technology changes like SaaS /Cloud etc , rather than any offshore (which is a limited , albeit near term/immediate threat)
BTW, my humble NJ bodyshop is currently in the process of cleaning up the mess left by one of the offshoring "partners" at my client. So I know a bit about their quality first hand, and I hope they will continue to generate such revenue for "body shops" like us in future also. :rotfl: :rotfl: I would have loved to post more here, but when I am paid $$$ to fix the mess, it is good business.

Based on what we saw, they must have been computing from a "cloud" since code didn't have any relation to reality :D

The CIO magazine study that I cited here was a pretty detailed one, not a hatchet job. Cited references, examples, not anecdotal stuff that you post here. After I posted that article, I remember at least a couple of posters in this forum itself concurring on how CMM is a sham.
30 years growing whatever they wanted you grow on the plantation and live your life secure and protected in your slave quarters, tough luck
{deleted} But your {deleted} superiority complex that you exhibit in this forum reminds me of that old saying - "Superiority complex is a manifestation of inferiority complex"
Listen carefully , these are FACTs, not make believe .. and dont throw garbage about what you "saw" or "heard" from someone who came over in 1990 or whenever (then the avg US wage in IT was 36K or so).
Now youlisten carefully before rambling two paragraphs, I posted a story about how expats in India are losing their job to local work force when the economy starts going south. So if that is okay with you, how can you complain about a US senator asking to make sure that expats in US like H1/L1 visas be terminated first? Got it?
. YOUR FRIENDS ARE THE BUSINESSES AND YOUR EMPLOYERS WHO WANT YOU. Your interests converge with theirs and not the US counterpart
Yes, friends like Vikram pandit's citigroup cutting 20% of the workforce while buying $50 million jet or Thain's Merrill that spent a million to redecorate the office while taking BILLIONS in tax-payer money. Or our own dear Satyam Raju... :mrgreen:

You can keep drinking the same old kool-aid refrigerated from Reagan years of revering CEOs and businesses, but the world is changing in a different direction. Let us wait and watch
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markos wrote:
vina wrote:

.... when all empirical evidence shows that the outsources probably have better ethics and more robust formal quality systems and customer satisfaction scores that the parent orgs themselves .....
markos f@rted
Beta markos - check this report posted by Acharya in the IT Industry thread
Acharya wrote:http://www.physorg.com/news152302007.html
IBM quietly cuts thousands of jobs

(AP) -- With the recession forcing tech companies to announce thousands of layoffs, IBM Corp. is joining the fray - but not advertising it.
....

In 2007, the last full year for which detailed employment numbers are available, 121,000 of IBM's 387,000 workers were in the U.S., down slightly from the year before. Meanwhile, staffing in India has jumped from just 9,000 workers in 2003 to 74,000 workers in 2007.
Now read this news about Microsoft
Microsoft: H-1B workers among those losing jobs

Despite its claims of laying off H1B visa holders, the Indians among those have been offered to be hired in the India office (I have my sources and no, I am not revealing them to you :) )

Now you can go cry about these reports to anyone who cares but the reality is that jobs are going out of the US and majorly to India. And this trend is only going to accelerate in the coming months. You are most welcome to come to India and work here if you can compete and find a job, no one is stopping you. But I don't give a flying fu(c)k if you don't want to and can only :(( :((

Now shoo...
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Beta ChandaraS,
Then don't cry if US govt decides to suspend/restrict H1/L1 programs an start exerting more control over institutions that took tax-payer money. Don't cry buckets in this forum about US senators asking questions.

PS: Moderators, I wanted to bring to your attention this abusive post from ChandraS. See some fine samples
markos f@rted
But I don't give a flying fu(c)k if y
Now shoo...
Let me remind you, using abusive or racist language doesn't indicate any strength of the arguments being presented in this forum
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markos wrote: Now you listen carefully before rambling two paragraphs, I posted a story about how expats in India are losing their job to local work force when the economy starts going south. So if that is okay with you, how can you complain about a US senator asking to make sure that expats in US like H1/L1 visas be terminated first? Got it?
One small problem onlee saar.. you missed the most important line of the report you quoted in your earlier post

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Exp ... 039529.cms
NEW DELHI: Expatriate executives, who were the flavour of the season when India was riding high on a 9%-plus growth rate, are now becoming the Job-cuts: A blessing in disguise
Cos that are hiring
first ones to get the pink slip as Indian industry, hit by the slowdown, starts looking within the country for inexpensive hires.

“Many of the expatriate executives, who have been asked to leave, are subject experts. Their value diminishes in a downturn as companies are no more expanding, and thus don’t need people to guide in a new venture,” says K Sudarshan, MD of executive search firm EMA Partners’ India unit.

Since October 2008, there has been a spate of replacements of expat executives with Indian professionals at the senior level.
Most of these expats you sympathise for are here just to pad their resumes to show they work in an emerging market/tough competition/(insert favorite catch word here) environment. They come with the hardship package and the $$ but do not necessarily add value commensurate with the payout. A lot of them are also thrust upon the companies by the FII's or major investor types who put money into those firms. Now most of that money is gone and there is no need to retain the added baggage. Simple Economics 101 onlee. :mrgreen:
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[quote="markos"]Beta ChandaraS,
Then don't cry if US govt decides to suspend/restrict H1/L1 programs an start exerting more control over institutions that took tax-payer money. Don't cry buckets in this forum about US senators asking questions.
[quote]

The senators can question all they want. The proof of the pudding is in eating it. We will see who is crying.
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