Indian Missile Technology Discussion

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Feb 2009 01:42

sanjay, HBK has already told all he knows. It might not be all he saw! Unless you hypnotize him there isnt much he can add.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2009 09:31

I am just wondering why are we still dependent on GPS , what happend to the GLONASS deal , by 2010 they will have the full constellation of 24 for Global Coverage ( currently it stands at 19 ) , and India as per the deal signed in 2004 will get access to HP signal and development for GLONASS-K

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 07 Feb 2009 11:20

Austin wrote:I am just wondering why are we still dependent on GPS , what happend to the GLONASS deal , by 2010 they will have the full constellation of 24 for Global Coverage ( currently it stands at 19 ) , and India as per the deal signed in 2004 will get access to HP signal and development for GLONASS-K

forget about it.....wot has happened to our own IRNS?>
they said that they are gonna launch the TD in 2008 year end.Now we are in 2009
Once IRNS is successful then we can get the global coverage in no time apart from political will.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 07 Feb 2009 11:47

Austin wrote:I am just wondering why are we still dependent on GPS , what happend to the GLONASS deal , by 2010 they will have the full constellation of 24 for Global Coverage ( currently it stands at 19 ) , and India as per the deal signed in 2004 will get access to HP signal and development for GLONASS-K

Russia pressed MASTER-RESET button on burgeoning Indian "carpet bagging" of Russia. Those were the days when Russian economy was in toilet and Indian was shining. Oil price rise has there after made Russian govt prosperous and in quest to regain honor and dignity. So while India threw bread crumbs at Russia and picked up cheap Adm Groshkov+Mig-29, Akula and jointly bring back to life the derilict GLONOSS, times have since changed and Indian embrace of USA and high oil prices forced Russia to put India in its correct shoes.

So now Russia launches its own GLONOSS, and does not need ISRO's launch, it puts in cold storage plan for HP signal access to India, rescinded fire sale deal on Adm Groshkov, as well as Akula.

And what did India get from embracing USA? It gets to carry unkill sam's hat full of crap + no GPS, castrated nuclear weapons program, no operational A/Carrier, no submarine. etc. .... etc.. ... . . .

Very apt description of India under MMS is:

"Dhobi Ka Kutta, Na Ghar Ka, Na Ghaat Ka"

IOW Indian interests have been fed to the dogs by the current Indian Govt.

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 07 Feb 2009 13:55

Russia pressed MASTER-RESET button on burgeoning Indian "carpet bagging" of Russia. Those were the days when Russian economy was in toilet and Indian was shining. Oil price rise has there after made Russian govt prosperous and in quest to regain honor and dignity. So while India threw bread crumbs at Russia and picked up cheap Adm Groshkov+Mig-29, Akula and jointly bring back to life the derilict GLONOSS, times have since changed and Indian embrace of USA and high oil prices forced Russia to put India in its correct shoes.

So now Russia launches its own GLONOSS, and does not need ISRO's launch, it puts in cold storage plan for HP signal access to India, rescinded fire sale deal on Adm Groshkov, as well as Akula.

And what did India get from embracing USA? It gets to carry unkill sam's hat full of crap + no GPS, castrated nuclear weapons program, no operational A/Carrier, no submarine. etc. .... etc.. ... . . .

Very apt description of India under MMS is:

"Dhobi Ka Kutta, Na Ghar Ka, Na Ghaat Ka"

IOW Indian interests have been fed to the dogs by the current Indian Govt.

So aptly put and so correct -we took the bear to much for granted and now getting back what we deserved

The short sightedness of indian government is pathetic to say the least

we forgot who supported us in times of need and ran after uncle sam like a ------ and this is what it has landed us into

and was expected by any sane person having little idea how russia treats its friends and enemies

Maybe there is still time but who cares
placing order for the MIG 35 will be the first step in repairing the relationship which is still not fully destroyed

Willy · Post by **Willy** » 07 Feb 2009 14:16

Dude you need to remember that its the previous govt that led the embrace uncle sam charge.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 07 Feb 2009 14:26

Bang on target Arun,
But MMS's plan all along was to take us the Japanese Way - Economic giant fully integrated with the US and Western economies.
Well :-
1. Economically, we aren't getting there just yet
2. No matter how much you try, India just can't be a Japan - its the pacifism thing - we're doing all the dirty things that the big bad powers do - make ICBMs, test nukes, make nuke subs, even unmentionable things in neighbors houses.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2009 15:07

Arun_S wrote:Russia pressed MASTER-RESET button on burgeoning Indian "carpet bagging" of Russia. Those were the days when Russian economy was in toilet and Indian was shining. Oil price rise has there after made Russian govt prosperous and in quest to regain honor and dignity. So while India threw bread crumbs at Russia and picked up cheap Adm Groshkov+Mig-29, Akula and jointly bring back to life the derilict GLONOSS, times have since changed and Indian embrace of USA and high oil prices forced Russia to put India in its correct shoes.

So now Russia launches its own GLONOSS, and does not need ISRO's launch, it puts in cold storage plan for HP signal access to India, rescinded fire sale deal on Adm Groshkov, as well as Akula.

And what did India get from embracing USA? It gets to carry unkill sam's hat full of crap + no GPS, castrated nuclear weapons program, no operational A/Carrier, no submarine. etc. .... etc.. ... . . .

Very apt description of India under MMS is:
"Dhobi Ka Kutta, Na Ghar Ka, Na Ghaat Ka"
IOW Indian interests have been fed to the dogs by the current Indian Govt.

Arun , though I partly agree with you , but I dont see Indo-US strategic relation as a zero sum game , Russia has its own interest in maintaining its strategic interest with India.

Though I have not heard of any MASTER-RESET button pressed by Russia on GLONASS HP sharing , ofcourse GLONASS is not yet fully operational for global coverage , something that may happen only post 2010.

Its true that we exploited Russia during its bad days , but Russia have been milking us from SU days , more ever defence relations are more complex ( and $$ oriented ) post break up than the nearly free hand me down approach of SU.

But I say dont look back but forward , there are many deals in pipeline which includes joint develop and production and I see Indo-Russia relation in stable footing ( unfortunately def rel is just one part of the game , economy relation is very bad between us , the Indo-US economy relations are far more stable and progressive )

But I dont blame US or Russia for exploiting us , we need to look into ourself and find an answer , the problem is us and $$ friendly ruling elite , and answer should come from within us.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2009 15:17

Shankar wrote:placing order for the MIG 35 will be the first step in repairing the relationship which is still not fully destroyed

Yes but AFAIK that is what you have been promoting , why should we accept an inferior product because we want to please any country when better products are available , unless they want do do a barter deal with us like in SU days

Let the benck mark set by IAF be the standard in judging who the winner is , and if Mig-35 is the one why not , but if some one is offering a better deal based on the matrix set by IAF/Industry then lets go for that.

ajay_ijn · Post by **ajay_ijn** » 07 Feb 2009 16:02

Shankar wrote: Maybe there is still time but who cares
placing order for the MIG 35 will be the first step in repairing the relationship which is still not fully destroyed

Su-30, FFGA, Mig-29K- all these aren't enough to lord Russia?, which country is committed to purchase to so many Fighters from them?. and yet MMRCA should be also awared to Russians?

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 07 Feb 2009 16:33

but how is all this related to MISSILE TECH ?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 07 Feb 2009 16:46

Su-30, FFGA, Mig-29K- all these aren't enough to please lord Russia?, which country is committed to purchase to so many Fighters from them?. and yet MMRCA should be also awared to Russians?

I agree.While US cannot be trusted it would be a suicide to put all eggs in the Russian basket.It would make India much more dependent on Russia making us more vulnerable to future blackmail.

As far as friendship with Russia goes they are friendly only for money.They will help anyone who provides them with enough money.I wouldn't be surprised if Akula delay is because of chinese payoffs to certain people in Kremlin.It is not a far fetched idea as far as intelligence organisations are concerned.

The reality is that China and russia are cooperating on strategic issues like never before including SCO(Shangai Cooperation organisation) and all indicators suggest that Russia is a junior partner to China.Even in Central Asia China which comes under russian sphere of influence China is outmuscling the russians.

It was the duty of Indian intelligence to keep Russia on our side(by making payoffs or propaganda ) but they failed and this will count as one of the biggest strategic intelligence failure for India.

I could go on and on but since this is Indian Missile discussion I will stop.

We can still repair our relations with Russia if RAW and Foreign Ministry get their act together and not by buying more equipment from them

Now let us continue with missiles

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 07 Feb 2009 16:55

The KS-172 may have been based on the airframe of the 9K37M1 Buk-M surface-to-air missile. It used a two-stage rocket engine with a flight speed of about Mach 4 and a claimed maximum range of 400 km (250 mi). The AAM-L flies to the vicinity of the target by inertial navigation, then activates its own active radar for terminal homing.

The AAM-L missile is intended for use against Airborne Early Warning, tanker, and maritime patrol aircraft, giving an air force the ability to attack these vital assets without having to engage their fighter escorts. Enhanced-range versions have also been suggested as possible anti-satellite weapons.

India Starts Defence Exports : Joint Ventures Now yielding rich Dividends

KS -172

- Joint Venture between India's DRDO and Russias NPO Novator.

SpeciFications :

- It is an ultra Long Range AAM with a Development Range of 400KMs To Target AEW/AWAC Type High Value Aircrafts.

- Sole Carrier in the Indian AF will be the Su-30MKI

Features ( Dimensions) :

- 1.4 Meter long Rocket Booster

- Weight 748Kgs

- Core Diameter 0.40 Meter , Total Lenght 6.01 Meters , Span .61 Meters

- Launched by a Solid-propellant Tandem Rocket Booster

- The KS 172 will attack its Targets with an adaptive high explosive ( HE) fragmentation warhead.

Guidance

- Secure Data-Linked Based inertial Navigation System for MidCourse Guidance ( This would probably be done by AWACS or the 2-3 MKIs Working in Tandem with their Mini AWACS Capability)

- Active Radar Homing for its Terminal Phase.

-The missile will be used against air targets flying at altitudes from 3m to 30km with speeds up to 4,000km/h and manoeuvring at up to 12g.

INDO-RUSSO CO-OPERATION

DRDO and NPO will jointly Develop:

- An Active Homing Radar Seeker with a Wide Lock-On Range Which is able to recieve targeting data from the launch AC.

- Design a combined Gas/AeroDynamic Control system with 3d TVC . Provides High Manoeuvrability irrespective of launch Conditions and allows for missle launch with AC in super Manoeuvrability flight mode.

- Create and Adaptive Rapid Reaction Autopilot Which Optimises with Missile Stabilization and control Parameters within the firing range.

- Development of Special Interaction Logic btween the KS-172 Explosive Fuse and Guidance system Which ( In addition to structural and config features) gurantees absolute immunity of the Warhead detonation system to Jamming

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=262&link ... -172-RVV-L

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 07 Feb 2009 19:15

here is this bharat varsh ka citizen ka question.....

As like we shook hands with US who is our previous old and best friend Russia enemy,
wot india gonna do if russia get some ground breaking deals with pakistan as like it do with china?
wot is our reaction gonna be? with pale face and looking like an all time looser?????

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Feb 2009 19:21

Nihat wrote:but how is all this related to MISSILE TECH ?

you are correct. It's not.

so guys plz take this discussion to the appropriate forum/thread if you don't want the fruits of labour -- your posts, to disappear in a jiffy.
Rahul.

pramodkumarca · Post by **pramodkumarca** » 07 Feb 2009 22:30

http://indianaerospace.wordpress.com/20 ... e-program/

i am newbie (basically chartered accountant) any truth on the on new that DRDO has shut down missile program

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Feb 2009 22:33

Dont mind lekin we have the whine thread already in exisitence for above posts. All please try to restrict yourself to technical details in this forum.

I think the guidance package should have the RLG as primary mode with GPS updates for error correction. Relying purely on the GPS reciever isnt smart for weapons. That is the root cause of above Brahmos test deficiency. I dont know if the signal was turned off but we do know that in mtns and high buildings situation loss of GPS signal is common. Maybe the antennas were not omnidirectional. One of them could be in dead zone.

Good thing they found out in the test and not some other time. There are numerous stories of GPS aided bombs going astray in Kosovo, Irag and Afghanistan.

I think Karzai's brother was killed by one of those.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Feb 2009 22:39

pramod, that's a BS blog post as also the rediff article quoted in it. lurk around and read the older pages of this thread to get an idea of what is actually happening.
regards.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 07 Feb 2009 22:39

I think Karzai's brother was killed by one of those.

Are you talking about the friendly fire incident in december 2001.That was a case of human error on behalf of one of the special operators.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 07 Feb 2009 22:41

H.B.Krishna wrote: I am getting
I am no expert and have no insider info...I am not even sure if those wagons were for A-1 or A-2. Some guru who have been in and around BEML for last 4 or so years may be able to explain....So please consider my above post at DDM quality levels or below
And my apologies for that

No..pls, nothing there to apologize. As I see it, there is even possibility of having dummy Agni missile, stationary ones(Silo) as well as mobile ones. Even on production agency, there are coflicting reports, a news report quoted a drdo official stating Agni will be produced in their labs, ofcourse, it didnt mentioned which version they are talking... so things may not be as we see it to arrive at some round about figure.

we forgot who supported us in times of need and ran after uncle sam like a ------ and this is what it has landed us into

and was expected by any sane person having little idea how russia treats its friends and enemies

Maybe there is still time but who cares
placing order for the MIG 35 will be the first step in repairing the relationship which is still not fully destroyed

If Americans are businessmen, Russians can be described as thugs. We can always do business with businessman, if terms & conditions are OK. But with thugs, it is like ridding on a tiger.

What we done is we resisted to come under the influence of russians which the russians try to re-establish at any cost. It will be good, if we could maintain distance with all powers at the same time close to everyone. It will help in the long run.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Feb 2009 22:43

dec 2001, do you mean the one a qala-i-jangi fort ?
was it a human error ? never come across that. have you a source ?

ramana ji is talking about a much more recent one in which wedding party(IIRC) of karzai's relatives were attacked.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 07 Feb 2009 22:45

I dont think all this news abt GPS are actually related to the problem that Brahmos faced. A statement issued by Pillai clearly tells what was the problem and what they want to do to rectify it.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2009 23:13

Ok Gurus , Please help me understand how this new Brahmos II works

Assuming we remove any GPS/GLONASS/IRNS from the picture and the Navigaion/Terminal Guidance is provided by IMU/RLG/SCAN.

A target is identified by Satellite or HALE UAV , which can either be a High Res SAR Image or plain simple Image of a Target wich is a small target amongst cluster of many BIG targets.

The digitises image of the SAR/Image data is fed to the brains of Brahmos , brahmos II flies towards the target aided by IMU/RLG and once in the general area of target the digitised image in brahmos is compared to that provided by SCAN radar which provides high resolution image of the target and once a positive id is done , Brahmos does terminal manouvering and does a Top Attack on the target.

We have read about EO seeker is there only to provide a positive id about the hit and not in any way provides a man in loop type control on Brahmos , considering its high supersonic speed any terminal control of brahmos should also be impossible.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 07 Feb 2009 23:26

dec 2001, do you mean the one a qala-i-jangi fort ?
was it a human error ? never come across that. have you a source ?

ramana ji is talking about a much more recent one in which wedding party(IIRC) of karzai's relatives were attacked.

No,not qala i jangi fort incident.There majority of work was done by AC-130 gunship.Also it is in northern afghanistan(not a karzai stronghold).

I am talking about the friendly fire incident at Tarin kowt(it is near kandahar and was the base for Hamid Karzai).One special forces A-team was linked with Karzai's gureillas.While calling for airstrikes one of the special operators messed up which resulted in the friendly fire incident killing 4 special operators and 27 of karzai's gureillas.You can go through the interview of capt. jason amerine who was leading that A-team.Read the last part of the interview.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... erine.html

From what I know of the incident the A-team was given brand new GPS devices for transmitting the target coordinates.As a result they did not have much experience.While transmitting one of the coordinates the device rebooted itself.After the reboot the device defaulted to the coordinates of the team itself.The operator handling the device should have corrected the coordinates but he didn't.Hence the bomb landed right on top of them.

I read this in Robin Moore's book "Task force Dagger-Hunt for Bin laden".I don't think anyother book which is better and more detailed as far as initial invasion of Afghanistan is concerned.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Feb 2009 23:29

EO seeker also provides positive confirmation that it hit its mark. From description of SCAN seeker it has only GPS reciever. BTW the terminal manouvers at ~ Mach 3 are extremely challenging. There is not enough space to make those moves. It has to be using the engine as a diverter to make the moves. Would love to see the video of the final moments.

They should have tested from development vehicles and not used the army version. And then called them after it works. But as it costs a lot they might have wanted a two in one- so both angencies- developer and user can benefit.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Feb 2009 23:56

When you say SCAN seeker has only GPS receiver , you mean its a radar which has built in GPS reveiver , and the the theory that I had put which was SCAN matches the high resolution image of small target among a cluster of many which is pre-fed to its brain is correct ?

When you say ~ M 3 it must be a Hi - Hi profile trajectory with Top Attack, I have doubt Brahmos can do ~ M 3 at low altitude flight , more like ~ M 2 , and then does a cobra type or rises up for Top Attack on target ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Feb 2009 00:19

No. It has an el-op seeker and a GPS reciever from the DRDO website. They dont talk of any IMU. Maybe its also there dont know. Do google on SCAN and DRDO.

Dont know about other details. Maybe upcomng Aero India is good palce to ask.

Also anyone has understanding of the inner working of the Brahmos? What is the propulsion unit, how is it controlled, whats the top speed etc.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 08 Feb 2009 00:53

ramana wrote:No. It has an el-op seeker and a GPS reciever from the DRDO website. They dont talk of any IMU. Maybe its also there dont know. Do google on SCAN and DRDO.

Dont know about other details. Maybe upcomng Aero India is good palce to ask.

Also anyone has understanding of the inner working of the Brahmos? What is the propulsion unit, how is it controlled, whats the top speed etc.

In my conversation w/BrahMos people in AI-07 and AI-04, the intake cone is fixed (to keep it less complex), that tells me that it performs better at low to medium altitudes. Plus BrahMos does not fly nap of the earth hugging profile. That lends me to believe that low altitude cruise will likely be ~M2.8.

George J · Post by **George J** » 08 Feb 2009 02:01

Austin wrote: ofcourse GLONASS is not yet fully operational for global coverage , something that may happen only post 2010...........

GLONASS M is a GLSV Mk.III payload. The Payload Assist Module (PAM) is ready. Mk. III L40 integration is going on. Unless something changes its still on.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 08 Feb 2009 02:49

George J wrote:
Austin wrote: ofcourse GLONASS is not yet fully operational for global coverage , something that may happen only post 2010...........
GLONASS M is a GLSV Mk.III payload. The Payload Assist Module (PAM) is ready. Mk. III L40 integration is going on. Unless something changes its still on.

Hummm.... .. I am hearing that for the first time. Tell me more about L40 in GSLV-MkIII.

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 08 Feb 2009 02:54

L40???

I thought the core is L110 and two S200 add-ons?

George J · Post by **George J** » 08 Feb 2009 03:19

Anurag wrote:L40???

I thought the core is L110 and two S200 add-ons?

You children need to start reading more.

Page 2, Column 1 HAL READIES TO SERVER ISRO BETTER
http://www.hal-india.com/MinskSquareMatters-Issue65.pdf

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 08 Feb 2009 06:23

George J wrote:
Anurag wrote:L40???

I thought the core is L110 and two S200 add-ons?
You children need to start reading more.
Page 2, Column 1 HAL READIES TO SERVER ISRO BETTER
http://www.hal-india.com/MinskSquareMatters-Issue65.pdf

Maybe the children are sharp cookies and see nothing, but let us hear from grandfather George J to see if there any any substance in the quoted paragraph or a senile who is best left alone?

George J · Post by **George J** » 08 Feb 2009 07:42

Errr......so they are lying about GSLV MK.III using L40?

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 08 Feb 2009 08:36

Any schedules on Agni-IIAT testing?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 08 Feb 2009 08:44

http://www.isro.gov.in/rep2005/SpaceTransport.htm

GSLV-Mk III

GSLV-Mk III will have a capability to launch 4 tonne satellite into GTO. The project was approved during 2002-03 and the development is expected to take six years. GSLV-Mk III is a three-stage vehicle with a 110 tonne core liquid propellant stage and a strap-on stage with two solid propellant motors, each with 200 tonne propellant. The upper stage will be a cryogenic with a propellant loading of 25 tonne. GSLV Mk-III will have a lift off weight of about629 tonne and will be 42.4 m tall. The payload fairing will have a diameter of 5 metre and a payload volume of 100 cubic metre.

During the year, vehicle systems specifications have been generated for all major hardware configurations and interfaces defined. Preliminary design review of all subsystems and the integrated technical review of the project have been completed. Fabrication of S-200 motor cases and other vehicle structures have already commenced. Design reviews of the in-house facilities have been completed and the construction of the facilities commenced.

GSLV-F-01, with EDUSAT on board, lifting off from SDSC SHAR

The structural dynamic data of the vehicle has been generated and the vehicle configuration for the ground resonance testing finalised. Configuration of destruct systems for S-200 and L-110 stages and jettisoning motors for S-200 separation system has been finalised.

Spacecraft interface definitions have also been made and are being reviewed.

Based on wind tunnel and computational fluid dynamic studies, the aero dynamic coefficient of the vehicle have been revised. A long duration engine qualification test for L-110 has been completed. The preliminary design review of the engine for C-25 cryogenic stage has been completed during the year. Design review of the stage has also been completed. Two series of cold flow test have been conducted on LOX proto type turbine using water. Fabrication of LH2 turbo-pump is progressing.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 08 Feb 2009 08:47

George J wrote:Errr......so they are lying about GSLV MK.III using L40?

They would lying if the article did say "GSLV MK.III is using L40" but it does not. The article is simply about serving ISRO better, and ISRO has PSLV, GSLV-Mk1 and Mk-III launchers. May be I am Hindi educated rustic "Chora Ganga Kinaray wala" with Inglis handicap (second language which I flunked once).

Here is the passage:

HAL READIES TO SERVE ISRO BETTER:
October 16, 2008 was a red-letter day in the history of Aerospace Division. HAL Chairman Mr Ashok. K. Baweja, Chairman ISRO and Secretary DOS Dr G. Madhavan Nair inaugurated four facilities and laid the foundation stone for two new facilities at the Division. The PPT/HPT facility, Stretch Forming facility, Chemical Milling facility and MK3 CNC Shop were inaugurated while the foundation stone was laid for L40 Integration Augmentation and Mk-III Assembly Shop. The facilities will meet the requirements of ISRO’s launches in the coming years. At a function held at the GSLV Mk-III Assembly Shop, Mr Baweja handed over the documents of First Set of Tankages for GSLV Mk-III to Dr Madhavan Nair.

Above onleee talks of two separate facilities, please help this kid understand where does it say GSLV-III uses L40.

Just a friendly note that following remark is condescending /disparaging to other BRFites reading this thread (including me), and rubs wrong way unnecessarily.

George J wrote:You children need to start reading more.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Feb 2009 08:53

ramana wrote:No. It has an el-op seeker and a GPS reciever from the DRDO website. They dont talk of any IMU. Maybe its also there dont know. Do google on SCAN and DRDO.

Found this link

Shri NAGARAJ SS, Senior Scientist. Completed his BE(Electronics &Communication) from Mysore University and M Tech(Industrial Electronics) from Mangalore University. Aged around 47yrs. His field of interest is Radar Systems - Active Aperture Radars and working on SAR, Long Range Active Aperture Radars. Presently Project Director for Synthetic aperture Radar, Deputy Project Director, Air Defence(Radar) and System Manager for Scan Imaging Radar. Member of IETE.

Added Later : So SCAN is essentially an Imaging Radar , the el-op seeker may be an addition for positive id on target ?

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 08 Feb 2009 08:55

George, I'm not doing so good these days, not sure what it is. So I was wondering if you can give me whatever it is you are smoking. I sure don't know what it is, but it seems to be working on you. I really need it. Please Bhaiya!

George J · Post by **George J** » 08 Feb 2009 09:15

Arun_S wrote:..........Just a friendly note that following remark is condescending /disparaging to other BRFites reading this thread (including me), and rubs wrong way unnecessarily.
George J wrote:You children need to start reading more.

You are absolutely right except it was not directed to you. Since you yourself have admitted that you flunked in English that would explain why you did not understand I was screwing around with Anurag (it was a reply to him with his quote) who I have known personally for well the better part of 8 years.

Now I can say the same about you trying to be condescending and disparaging. If you wanted to correct me sincerely you would have said something like:

George, L40 is for the PSLV while the rest of the stuff being talked about is GSLV MK.III even though they talked bout L40 assembly and GSLV Mk.III in the same sentence and go on to talk about MK.III tankage in the next. Its obvious to me because I follow this stuff closely but this subtle difference may not be obvious to a casual reader.

Off course its merely a suggestion.....

Anurag:
The last time I smoked was with you. So you better get some of Chi towns finest. I told you hanging out on the new and improved BRF is injurious to your health but you never listen.