Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 13 Feb 2009 02:13

To add to vsudhir

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7885918.stm

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 13 Feb 2009 05:46

Thank God for America. This blatant attack on freedom of speech would never be tolerated here.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 13 Feb 2009 08:48

^^^^

Harvard has already started the tradition by allotting timings in their gyms exclusively to accomodate Muslim women.

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 13 Feb 2009 21:55

London: A leading British politician reacted with outrage after a 13-year-old boy was found to have become a father after having a night's unprotected sex with a girl only two years his senior.

Miliband needs a lesson or two now....

India's Foreign Secretary should make a point during his visit to UK, about the root of UK's problem i.e. having retard diplomats like Miliband because of child pregnancies.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Feb 2009 22:21

Akshut wrote: Hoolbrokee needs a lesson or two now....

India's Foreign Secretary should make a point during his visit to UK, about the root of UK's problem i.e. having retard diplomats like Hoolbrooke because of child pregnancies.

Akshut,

you probably mean David Miliband, UK's Foreign Secretary. Richard Holbrooke is the US Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 15 Feb 2009 02:37

Comments: One should note that UK shares values of democracy and human rights similar to India. Ofcourse they naturally stand with us except a few making wrong voices. Brown has a soft heart towards India which needs to be appreciated. But then British government needs to do more to her own workers in the form of creating more jobs by Indian investors.

US, UK welcome Pakistan action
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2009_pg1_4
LAHORE: The United States and Britain on Thursday welcomed the registration of a first information report (FIR) in Pakistan against suspects of the Mumbai attacks, a private TV channel reported. The channel quoted US Statement Department spokesman Robert Wood as saying that US welcomed the probe conducted by Pakistan, adding the steps taken by Pakistan following the Mumbai attacks were proof of “serious investigation [on Pakistan’s part]”. Wood also welcomed the arrests of the Mumbai suspects by Pakistan. daily times monitor

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Feb 2009 02:42

joshvajohn wrote:Comments: One should note that UK shares values of democracy and human rights similar to India. Ofcourse they naturally stand with us except a few making wrong voices. Brown has a soft heart towards India which needs to be appreciated. But then British government needs to do more to her own workers in the form of creating more jobs by Indian investors.

UK is looking after its interest. It knows that there is no cost for bashing India and they need Pak for their geopolitical interest.

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 15 Feb 2009 05:44

Abhi_G wrote:^^^^

Harvard has already started the tradition by allotting timings in their gyms exclusively to accomodate Muslim women.

That's unfortuante, but I it isn't nearly as bad (or by my standards, even noteworthy for that matter) as freedom of speech. Harvard is one tiny speck in the whole of America and that too a private college.

It has the right to do as it pleases.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Feb 2009 12:41

1984 arrives in 2009!

Spy chief: We risk a police state

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... lice-state

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 17 Feb 2009 22:51

Alan standford is in trouble. US marshals enter his houston office. He may be charge with finanace & securities fraud. SEC is saying fraud of shocking magnitute, and may have spread around the world.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 20 Feb 2009 03:09

In the Islamic Emirate of Paki-England, Held-Wales, Occupied-Scotland and English-Administered-Ireland....

Muslim preacher Anjem Choudary calls for people who get drunk to be flogged

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 20 Feb 2009 05:24

Gerard wrote:In the Islamic Emirate of Paki-England, Held-Wales, Occupied-Scotland and English-Administered-Ireland....

Muslim preacher Anjem Choudary calls for people who get drunk to be flogged

Considering this is the UK, we should just flog the entire country and get it over with.

If anyone objects, please have your say or forever hold your peace.

3...

2...

1...

Motion carried. This hearing by the Supreme Council of BRF is adjourned.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 20 Feb 2009 10:57

Gerard wrote:In the Islamic Emirate of Paki-England, Held-Wales, Occupied-Scotland and English-Administered-Ireland....

Muslim preacher Anjem Choudary calls for people who get drunk to be flogged

Taliban has a easy solution to these problems. Blindfold the drunk and shoot him. Isn't this more human rights friendly than the barbaric practise of flogging? Where is Human Rights Watch? Why don't they fight for the human rights of drunks in britain and implementation of taliban law?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Feb 2009 13:22

I feel inspired by Anjem Chowdhry
I am going to go to Saudi Arabia and urge all Mutawaqils to chill out with a nice cold beer and a bacon sandwich

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 20 Feb 2009 16:58

British mentality is that they like the people who like to take them for a ride from behind. Its because they believe in becoming sub to dom population in this case its mullah's. Nice people dont have any place in British society. Only rabid dogs gets noticed and pampered.

sureshm · Post by **sureshm** » 20 Feb 2009 17:47

UK is so powerful it can crush these mullahs. The reason they're doing nothing is because they want to use them against others, it's not because UK is weak or spineless. It's wrong to celebrate prematurely and imagine that mullahs will take over Britain, how ridiculous! the mullahs can barely manage pakistan, they're simply no match for UK. UK is simply projecting this image to fool people into thinking Islam is growing (and thus create more paranoia and hatred against Muslims), and is therefore dangerous.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 20 Feb 2009 17:56

I would very much doubt that , the growing influence is for real - typical to their attitude the British would only take note of it when pockets of majority influence have an impact on other spheres of society.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 20 Feb 2009 18:00

There is no time to play the games of fooling others in Britain. Check out the statistics.
The total number of Muslims in Great Britain:

2004: 1,870,000

2005: 2,017,000

2006: 2,142,000

2007: 2,327,000

2008: 2,422,000

At this pace, they will be a majority in 100 years coupled by mass migration of "white british" population to Australia, Newzealand, Europe, USA and Canada.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Feb 2009 18:20

sureshm wrote:UK is so powerful it can crush these mullahs. The reason they're doing nothing is because they want to use them against others, it's not because UK is weak or spineless. It's wrong to celebrate prematurely and imagine that mullahs will take over Britain, how ridiculous! the mullahs can barely manage pakistan, they're simply no match for UK. UK is simply projecting this image to fool people into thinking Islam is growing (and thus create more paranoia and hatred against Muslims), and is therefore dangerous.

Absolutely. To even beging to think that India surrenering to TSP-sponsored Isalmic terror is equivalent to UK's PR campaign shows an ignorance of UK. Brits are proud nationalistic and if they sense that TSP type mullahs are pinching them too hard, they will strike and strike with impunity. And in this, their big brothers and other other brothers in Europe will join hands in one heck of lets get the Muslim mofos orgy. Lets not have any doubt on that count. Brits are not cowards like us Indians looking for camaraderie with TSP even is they plough through our land with their terrorists. It is India that is in danger, if not already in the pit, of falling to the Islamists.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Feb 2009 18:21

sureshm wrote:UK is so powerful it can crush these mullahs. The reason they're doing nothing is because they want to use them against others, it's not because UK is weak or spineless. It's wrong to celebrate prematurely and imagine that mullahs will take over Britain, how ridiculous! the mullahs can barely manage pakistan, they're simply no match for UK. UK is simply projecting this image to fool people into thinking Islam is growing (and thus create more paranoia and hatred against Muslims), and is therefore dangerous.

Absolutely. To even beging to think that India surrenering to TSP-sponsored Isalmic terror is equivalent to UK's PR campaign shows an ignorance of UK. Brits are proud nationalistic and if they sense that TSP type mullahs are pinching them too hard, they will strike and strike with impunity. And in this, their big brothers across the pond and other other brothers in Europe will join hands in one heck of lets get the Muslim mofos orgy. Lets not have any doubt on that count. Brits are not cowards like us Indians looking for camaraderie with TSP even is they plough through our land with their terrorists. It is India that is in danger, if not already in the pit, of falling to the Islamists.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 20 Feb 2009 18:26

UK and the rest of Western Europe know how to handle Muslims. Civilisationally, both are born of the same womb, but Europeans are more ruthless and probably smarter, at least for the last few centuries. There may be a period of weakness or appeasement but Europeans are confident in dealing with Islam. They have enough experience in 'achieving' genocide at continental and civilization levels over the last 1000+ years and are capable of managing genocide at planetary levels for the last 50 years. In the past, they have managed to throw out Muslims almost completely from Western Europe when almost all was lost. More recently, they have owned Arabia as a plaything for centuries.

Let's not kid ourselves. While Europe's hubris may be misplaced, it is just taking a 50-year breather from continuous wars for the last 3000 years. We are reflecting our insecurities on to Europe as it would most probably take care of itself as it has in the past, even if Muslim infestation becomes 10x worse at some time.

JMT

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Feb 2009 18:47

you guys are giving too much credit to modern day european social power. there is genuine paralysis in europe on the issue of how to deal with muslims and islamists in particular. the liberal human rights and freedom brigade thinking is now very strongly ingrained in the common or at least intellgentia's psyche. All of the resentment and fear is underground and unspoken. those that complain are being frowned upon by the human rights brigade. the HR brigade are championing islamists by default and by mistake, since they fear their own rights of speech being eroded in the exchange. once the islamists start hurting the HR brigade at home, then the real colours will be seen

these HR guys don't realise the utterly ruthless nature of the very same underdogs they are trying to protect

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 20 Feb 2009 19:17

I agree with Lalmohan.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 20 Feb 2009 19:56

We are making a typical equity analyst mistake here, extrapolating short term (last 50 years) trend into milleniums.

The whole Human rights, animal rights, PETA strippers, soft socialism shindig was invented because Europeans were too shocked at their own ruthlessness at the end of WW2, when they convincingly beat the hell out of anyone else (and themselves). They would 'disinvent' HR also, when needed. Islam is ruthless but is a primary school gang compare to Europe.

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 20 Feb 2009 20:13

ashish raval wrote:I agree with Lalmohan.

Seconded. After two World Wars, Europeans have seen the folly of their own nationalism.

It's not a big deal. Who knows, maybe the Muslims of Europe will be different from their Middle Eastern/South Asian counterparts and spark a Renaissance/Enlightenment period of development?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Feb 2009 20:34

durvasa wrote:We are making a typical equity analyst mistake here, extrapolating short term (last 50 years) trend into milleniums.

The whole Human rights, animal rights, PETA strippers, soft socialism shindig was invented because Europeans were too shocked at their own ruthlessness at the end of WW2, when they convincingly beat the hell out of anyone else (and themselves). They would 'disinvent' HR also, when needed. Islam is ruthless but is a primary school gang compare to Europe.

Exactly. WW2 was "shocking" to the Europeans not in any lasting moral sense, but only in terms of their finding out how physically and economically vulnerable they were to damage from each other (as relatively small nations in close proximity with the technological capacity to do great harm). To mistake this for some transformative moral enlightenment is sheer idiocy... even a decade later, the same WW2 generation of European "statesmen" were engaging in the bloodiest proxy colonialism and proxy warfare from Algeria to Indo-China.

Future generations of Eurppeans will be as bad if not worse than their WW2 ancestors for sheer brutality... they'll just have learned the important lesson of WW2 which was "don't do it so close to home". That lesson is the only reason NATO intervened in Bosnia but gave a rodent's behind about Rwanda.

Islam, relatively lacks sophistication of control and rulership. Let's not pretend that the reason Hinduism survived is because the Muslim rulers who came to dominate much of India were enlightened, merciful creatures. They just weren't systematic enough. Compare with the Portuguese and what they achieved through their inquisitions, in even the small areas of India they came to dominate for a relatively short while.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Feb 2009 20:42

Keshav wrote: It's not a big deal. Who knows, maybe the Muslims of Europe will be different from their Middle Eastern/South Asian counterparts and spark a Renaissance/Enlightenment period of development?

so far they are not showing the remotest signs of doing so, much more focused on taking all they can whilst the going is good

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 21 Feb 2009 11:30

Briterroristan! Keep on allowing immigrants from Pak and this is what you get.
Britain should simply deport any immigrants and their families who indulge in anti-state activities like terrorism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... bombs.html

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 21 Feb 2009 14:23

A British squaddie arrested in Germany on suspicion of stealing two armoured vehicles

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 21 Feb 2009 14:46

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... bombs.html
British Muslims 'providing Taliban with electronic devices for roadside bombs'

Details of the British link to IEDs were provided to Mr Miliband during his 48-hour fact-finding mission to Afghanistan earlier this week where he met military and government officials to assess the level of progress being made by British and coalition forces as the current military deployment enters its fourth year.

Going by Miliband's past behaviour he would advocate an end to this inhuman 'war on terror' which is nothing but mass murder of people playing with small electronic devices. And not to forgot miliband would call for an end to the oppression of pakistani muslims particularly the mirpuris in UK. They are such peace loving people who have different culture incompatible with impure british culture. He will ask, Why not given give them Mirpuristan so they happily implement sharia in their country and mount cross border attacks on christian dominated UK? Is this too much to ask?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 21 Feb 2009 15:01

BNP resurgence fears in climate of discontent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/po ... ntent.html
Fears that voters are turning to extremist parties after losing faith in the Government's ability to protect British jobs was fuelled yesterday after the BNP took a Labour seat in a district council.

UK Ministers in U-turn over guidance that urges children to think like suicide bomber
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... omber.html
Ministers were forced into an embarrassing climbdown over guidance telling children to think about the July 7 terror bombings as they apologised for offending the victims of the attacks

Islamic fundamentalism promoted on websites at some Muslim schools in the UK, think tank finds
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... finds.html
Islamic fundamentalism that encourages children to despise British society is being promoted on websites at some Muslim schools in the UK, think tank Civitas has revealed.

Women rail workers in UK refuse to wear see-through uniform
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... iform.html
Women railway workers on the National Express East Coast line between London and Edinburgh are refusing to wear new uniforms because the blouses are too see-through.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 22 Feb 2009 04:41

Miliband: I was undiplomatic on Indian tour

sureshm · Post by **sureshm** » 22 Feb 2009 13:29

Lalmohan wrote:you guys are giving too much credit to modern day european social power.

Europeans are not only ruthless but smarter. They play aggressor and victim in the same breath. On the one hand, they project the illusion of weakness, thereby giving the impression that Islam is dangerous. This is more like a marketing strategy to sell their idea that Islam, rather than western domination, is dangerous and must be curbed. Once naive people buy into this, they get to thrash Muslims all in the name of protecting people from terrorists.

They can do it to Muslims today, they can do it anyone else tomorrow, including the Hindus. The west has never been a victim of terrorism, will never be, even if they continue to project that image so that fools (read right-wing Indians) buy it without questioning.

Does all this mean we must ignore the threat of Islam? Not at all, but we have to understand that it's the west which is purposely keeping it alive, all the while claiming to be a victim as well. Put simply, Islamic terrorism is just an arm, a branch of western domination, it doesn't exist in isolation. Sad that Indians are so blind that they see bits and pieces and miss the whole picture.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 22 Feb 2009 15:20

Why is it that the high IQ people (<=35) who see the big picture always wear red? I mean Stalin, Polpot, Kruschev, Castro all saw through this western imperialism game and never got fooled, look where their countries are today. All you right wing Hindutvawadis, paint your chaddis red only then you can see the full picture
PS Islam is the religion of peace, it should be fought only where red (and inteligent) forces are in power like Xinjiang, In India Islamic fundooism should be nurtured as a tool to fight western imperialism, like in Kerala which is being targetted by the tourists of East India company

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 22 Feb 2009 17:35

Anti-terror code 'would alienate most Muslims'

The government is considering plans that would lead to thousands more British Muslims being branded as extremists, the Guardian has learned. The proposals are in a counterterrorism strategy which ministers and security officials are drawing up that is due to be unveiled next month.

According to a draft of the strategy, Contest 2 as it is known in Whitehall, people would be considered as extremists if:

• They advocate a caliphate, a pan-Islamic state encompassing many countries.

• They promote Sharia law.

• They believe in jihad, or armed resistance, anywhere in the world. This would include armed resistance by Palestinians against the Israeli military.

• They argue that Islam bans homosexuality and that it is a sin against Allah.

• They fail to condemn the killing of British soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 22 Feb 2009 18:04

^^ IT is almost like challenging the HoKo without explicitly stating so, reverse Taqqiya

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 22 Feb 2009 20:29

Mooli-in-a-bhund update.

Miliband Admits his Language Wasn't Diplomatic Enough

"All these Indian leaders have PhDs," Miliband continued, tossing a cricket ball from hand to hand and picking at its seam.

sureshm · Post by **sureshm** » 22 Feb 2009 21:20

vaman wrote:Why is it that the high IQ people (<=35) who see the big picture always wear red? I mean Stalin, Polpot, Kruschev, Castro all saw through this western imperialism game and never got fooled, look where their countries are today. All you right wing Hindutvawadis, paint your chaddis red only then you can see the full picture
PS Islam is the religion of peace, it should be fought only where red (and inteligent) forces are in power like Xinjiang, In India Islamic fundooism should be nurtured as a tool to fight western imperialism, like in Kerala which is being targetted by the tourists of East India company

Westerners believe that Indians are snake charmers, cow worshipers

and all that. You believe that 'red' can be reduced to Pol Pot and the likes. See, you have something in common with the west: you're both biased! In any case, west has succeeded because it controls most of the earth's resources, no great mystery there. And no one suggested Islam is peaceful except you. Islam is violent, but who's always supported and sustained it against non-western nations? Unless you have the IQ of a Hindutvadi, you should know the answer to that one.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 22 Feb 2009 22:04

Oh yes Sureshm, I am biased as the revolution makes no sense to me, and since you have amply displayed your IQ again can we move this discussion elsewhere? Lets debate at communalismcombat.org, I am on as teesta setalvad

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 Feb 2009 15:41

Nayak wrote:Mooli-in-a-bhund update.

Miliband Admits his Language Wasn't Diplomatic Enough

sort of proves the hypothesis that he was sent by obama/clinton to test the waters and take one for the team