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Sanjay M wrote:
London Telegraph

Israel launches covert war against Iran

Israel has launched a covert war against Iran as an alternative to direct military strikes against Tehran's nuclear programme, US intelligence sources have revealed.

By Philip Sherwell in New York
Last Updated: 10:38PM GMT 16 Feb 2009
This isnt exactly news.

The Israelis accelerated covert action back in 2005-06 when the Bush Administration's wilingness to use overt force against the Iranian programme started to waver, and the emphasis shifted to diplomatic pressure and economic isolation.

For those who might be wondering these revelations serve a very concrete objective - intensifying the paranoia of a deeply paranoid regime. It increases the existing pressure to suspect every supplier, every scientist and technician, to isolate key figures, etc. This will slow down the programme even more than the actual covert action, and multiply its effects.

Of course, the value of buying time depends on what you do with it. If Syria can be detatched from Iran, if Israel's deterrent posture is enhanced, if political change can occur within Iran, these are the best case scenarios that would make the prospect of a nuclear Iran a manageable one for Israel.
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IOLLibya is after french SCALP missiles and want the Rafale! UAE and Libya are considering putting a joint purchase of Rafale's!
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Saudi and Yemeni intel officials are going to launch a major counter attack against Al Qaeda in Yemen soon.

Oman is mounted Internal Security service personal on the border with Yemen, heavily monitoring the situation over the past 2 years. They are very worried about it naturally - My own source.
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^^^ Is it hearsay, your own sources, debka or something else?

Pls clarify. If some other site, link it... We cannot afford copyright - even if it is some sort of "early bird" sort of one-line "story"...
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shyamd wrote:Russian Foreign minister is in Oman today. Sources say Omani foreign ministry is super keen to give him VVVVIP treatment. Guess will wait for the news tomorrow of a Russian port of some sort or some investment.
They were looking at an investment in Duqm.
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With Netanyahu neing given the nod to lead Israel again,may will take comfort from his strong committment to fight terror directed against israel.However,his attempt to cobble together a "National Govt." in this time of crisis,is going to be much harder than his electoral victories,as the Kadima are still the largest party and feel that they should've been given the nod.Ex-Mossad agent and leader of the party,fesity Tzipi Livni,is all out to spoil Bibi's party.Supported by hard line parties,Likud will under Netanyahu will also take a strong line against Iran,whose unclear nuclear ambitions threaten regional peace.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009- ... 850989.htm
Hezbollah adopts security changes after arrest of Israeli agent
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Debka Net Weekly this weeks issue summary.

Saudi already has a nuclear program in the military city of Khamis Mushayt, south of Jeddah. One of these countries will test. Turkey has began its nuclear program from AQK's info. Expect nuclear bomb tests in the next 5 - 10 years. India will be in a position to re-test within this period imo. Unless Obama comes up with a plan of course.
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The last census figures of UAE that were publically released was that of 2005. Since then another ensus was conducted but the figures were not released.

As per the census of 2005
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArt ... ion=theuae

the population breakdown, nationality-wise was :-

-- Indians — 52
Pakistanis — 10
Gulf Arabs — 6
Egyptians — 5
Other Asians — 13
Other countries — 3
The other 11 per cent comprise UAE nationals.

the last census figures were not released as reportedly the UAE population had dropped to ~ 8% and the Indian population over 60% due to the mass influx of Indian laborers to fuel the building boom
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Explosion in Cairo targeting western tourists. 4 confirmed fatalities. French and German tourists mainly according to news reports.
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Nesoj, the article mentions the census is not of entire population but only of expatriate. It clearly mentions Percentage of expatriate workers in the UAE per nationality:
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Someone should look into the terrible living conditions, abuse, and dhimmitude Indian works suffer in UAE. I've heard its ridiculously rampant.
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Keshav wrote:Someone should look into the terrible living conditions, abuse, and dhimmitude Indian works suffer in UAE. I've heard its ridiculously rampant.
Keshav, I think discussions are ongoing between our govt people and the UAE govt folks on finding ways to improve the living and working conditions for our folks there...now I guess I read that news bit posted by one of our friends here in BR, neway you will be shocked to know that in the news article it was mentioned that Indian "maids" are preferred in UAE more than any other nationality...I was not sure how to react to that bit of info.... :oops:
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Yes, in the UAE and other arab countries, the local women prefer and often request for indian taxi drivers because they can't mess around. The Saudi drivers often hit on the women. In Oman for example, they prefer Indian maids compared to locals, simply because they are more trust worthy.
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Folks, I am aware of more than one Saudi housewife who had been impregnated by her Indian/Bangladeshi chaufer which the hubby either is oblivious to or does not care. I am sure there must be numerous such cases.

Come to think of it with the rampant cases of first cousin marriages going back centuries I sometimes wonder if this might contribute to impotence in the male. After all according to many Saudi media observers, Saudi Arabia has one of the world's highers consumption of ****. There are lots of shennanigans going on there behind closed doors. More so in a very closed soceity. Folks should check out this book titled "Karin in Saudi Arabia" written by a Syrian professor.
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asprinzl wrote:Folks, I am aware of more than one Saudi housewife who had been impregnated by her Indian/Bangladeshi chaufer which the hubby either is oblivious to or does not care. I am sure there must be numerous such cases.
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Wonder whether this qualifies to be called a tax free perquisite or more likely a occupational hazard.. :lol:
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RaviBg wrote:Nesoj, the article mentions the census is not of entire population but only of expatriate. It clearly mentions Percentage of expatriate workers in the UAE per nationality:
please see

"The other 11 per cent comprise UAE nationals."

UAE = 52 (Indians) + 10 + 6 + 5 + 13 + 3 + 11 (UAE Nationals) = 100% of population
Keshav wrote:Someone should look into the terrible living conditions, abuse, and dhimmitude Indian works suffer in UAE. I've heard its ridiculously rampant.
having lived in the UAE over 20 yrs.... may I give some 'Gyan'.

The worst employers in the UAE are the Indian and Pakistani businessmen, who clearly know from where these laborers are coming from and their need for employment. Everything in converted into Rs. For example they know an 'office boy' in India would earn X Rs/month and he would save Y Rs. What they offer is a salary, by which after deducting cost of living he would end with a saving of 2Y here. Next on the 'bad employer' list are the Palestinian or Egyptian owned companies. Local Arab companies (especially large groups are not so bad). Multinational Companies are the best. Again small companies often bundle up their workers into small rooms... dreadful living conditions. Also very much to blame are these Indian Managers who curry flavor with their bosses by managing to recruit (offering false promises) at the lowest rates possible. Most are hand in glove with recruitment agencies back home and take money from them on the sly (which in turn is taken from the laborers who just want to come to the ME. Really the major cause of mistreatment are the Indians themselves and not the locals, who generally keep themselves out of the picture.
Yogi_G wrote:you will be shocked to know that in the news article it was mentioned that Indian "maids" are preferred in UAE more than any other nationality...I was not sure how to react to that bit of info.... :oops:
I don't think this is correct. The most expensive maids and a status symbol are the 'Filipinos' that are preferred by the westerners and arabs. The westerners prefer them due to similar lifestyles etc while the arabs (especially Lebanese) like to ape the westerners. Conservative arab families prefer Indonesians (muslim). Again Ethiopian / Eritrean maids also are high on list as most speak arabic. Indian maids are generally preferred by the Indian community but not by the others (unless they have no option), for reasons of food habits, language etc. Down on the list are the SL Tamil maids and BD maids. Salaries paid also follow this scale. Dhs 1300 - Dhs 1000 - Dhs 700 (+ accomadation + food) Worst, are again the Indians who personally go and recruit from their villages back home, offering ladies a chance to work in Dubai and save a 'fabulous' amount' of Rs 5000 (Dhs 400) per month. Unsuspecting maids come over at get < 50% of the going rate and often work 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week.
shyamd wrote:Yes, in the UAE and other arab countries, the local women prefer and often request for indian taxi drivers because they can't mess around. The Saudi drivers often hit on the women. In Oman for example, they prefer Indian maids compared to locals, simply because they are more trust worthy.
UAE women drive their own cars. Frankly speaking in 20 years, I've seen only a couple of times UAE women being driven around (that to only old women who can't drive on their own). As far as taxi's .... presumably I don't think you have spent much time here. You can't 'request' for Indian drivers, and no... you don't find 'Saudi taxi drivers'. Most taxi drivers are from India, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Yemen etc. Oman ... Indian maids.... maybe ? certainly would be 'much much' cheaper than locals, other than being trustworthy.
Suppiah wrote: Wonder whether this qualifies to be called a tax free perquisite or more likely a occupational hazard.. :lol:
It's called Russian Roulette..... if you are caught in Saudi, or for that matter suspected, then expect your head to be chopped of in the square after Friday prayers. (provided, you are not tortured and killed by the husband first ... no questions asked) The charge is rape and the only penalty - death :(
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having lived in the UAE over 20 yrs.... may I give some 'Gyan'.
Ahh... I suppose history repeats itself. In the face of foreigners, we Indians are to blame for our troubles.
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Keshav wrote:
having lived in the UAE over 20 yrs.... may I give some 'Gyan'.
Ahh... I suppose history repeats itself. In the face of foreigners, we Indians are to blame for our troubles.
A classic case comes to my mind, that happened last summer. A company's employees were not paid for a couple of months, after which they complained to the UAE labor Dept. When the Company management was questioned, the reply was that the owner had gone on vacation to India for 2 months and that there was no one to sign the checks. Hence delay in salaries.
These guys know that the workers have taken debts to pay the recruitment agencies in India to come over, and that they have no option but to continue working, come what may. So they are treated as slaves by some employers or their managers.
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>>In the face of foreigners, we Indians are to blame for our troubles.

The reality in the UAE, and I suspect elsewhere in the Gulf, is pretty much as Nesoj explains it.

Very often those Indians being mistreated in the Gulf are working for Indian contractors/sub-contractors. This is not to say that Arab or British companies are saints towards blue-collar Indian employees.

There are plenty of poor and ill-informed people who go there believing the false promises of "manpower" companies and then get "trapped" there in an almost bonded labour situation... And salaries are not much better, and maybe worse, than in India believe it or not... Recently there was a news story where there was a stampede or something at a hotel in Bahrain where people were hiring for construction jobs in India... Sounds funny maybe, but spare a thought and have some compassion for these poor unfortunate people who live hard lives and work like pack animals just to put their families and kids through something resembling a "normal" life.
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Heightened Shiite-Sunni tension in Medina
Saudi Sunni, Shiite websites trade accusations of breakout of clashes between Shiite, security forces in Medina.

Gulf official slams Iran stance toward Arabs

GCC warns Iran against making hostile remarks
The recent provocative statement from a prominent Iranian conservative and high-level adviser, Ali Akber Nateq Nouri, who called Bahrain Iran’s 14th province, and the situation in war-ravaged Gaza Strip, especially in the light of the election victory of right-wing Benjamin Netanyahu, were the focus of discussions among GCC foreign and finance ministers who met here yesterday.

“Statements made from time to time by Iranian officials infringe on the sovereignty and independence of the Gulf states, especially Bahrain, and represent a flagrant aggression on the Arab identity of Bahrain,” said the GCC statement.
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New Israel killer drone can take out Iran's S-300 anti-air missile
...........DEBKAfile's military sources report that while Iran has contracted to buy from Russia five S-300 batteries worth $800 m to defend its nuclear sites against potential aerial attack, India and Turkey are interested in Israel's Harop killer-drone. Our sources report that the Tehran media made much of the new Israeli drone as a means of pushing Moscow to set the new batteries' delivery dates which the Russian suppliers have so far withheld.............
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Debka: Holbrooke is also increasingly calling the shots with respect to Tehran as well.

Obama postpones naming presidential envoy for Iran

DEBKAfile Special Report

February 25, 2009, 4:37 PM (GMT+02:00)

Contrary to widespread speculation, veteran diplomat Dennis Ross has been named special adviser to secretary of state Hillary Clinton for counsel on the broad area between Afghanistan and Egypt, according to Washington officials. President Barack Obama has decided not to appoint a presidential envoy for Iran, a post which Ross had been expected to fill. For now, the diplomat will not be involved personally in the Iranian issue.

DEBKAfile's Washington sources report that Obama is signaling that for the time being the direct open talks with Tehran promised in his campaign are not about to take off.
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Protesters burn Bahrain police car
Saturday, February 28, 2009
Police forces have been deployed around villages in Bahrain following weeks of demonstrations by Shiites angry over the detention of several of their leaders on charges of seeking to destabilize the government.
The demonstrations in this tiny island kingdom hosting the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet have been fueled by economic disparities between the Sunni ruling elite and the Shiite majority.
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The pasta, paper and hearing aids that could threaten Israeli security
Members of the highest-ranking American delegation to tour Gaza were shocked to discover that the Israeli blockade against the Hamas-ruled territory included such food staples as lentils, macaroni and tomato paste.

"When have lentil bombs been going off lately? Is someone going to kill you with a piece of macaroni?" asked Congressman Brian Laird.
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Some home truths about the Gaza aid conference
The truism that Hamas controls everything that moves in Gaza was amply borne out by the Quartet's envoy Tony Blair. He postponed entering Gaza for months over threats to his life. He finally went in – albeit not too far in – Sunday, March 1 under the protection of an armed Hamas escort.


Iran delivers the hardware to the Bedouin smuggling gangs of Sinai, who transport the merchandise to Hamas in the Gaza Strip, which is charged bargain basement prices. The money (initially put up by Western donors and Israel) is handed to Tehran after the smugglers rake off their commission. Cairo's pledges to stop the smuggling are cant. Egyptian officers and troops in Sinai are on the take. (my comment: Israeli's also use the same bedouin smuggling gangs for intel operations in Egypt and beyond, which is why they haven't got rid of them)

The free world and its donors are not contesting their division of labor with Iran – they put up the cash, part of which is diverted to this terror sponsor par excellence for missiles. The delegations meeting in Sharm e-Sheikh prefer to go home feeling virtuous, having shown their support for the most fashionable international aid cause in the world.

Hamas and its sponsors stay behind. They can drop their public pose as victims and have a good laugh over the Western world's gullibility, after maneuvering the US, Europe and Israel into shelling out to make Hamas stronger and footing the bill for its Iranian weapons.

Tehran has already celebrated its success in pulling the wool over 75 pairs of international eyes by asking Interpol, created by the West to internationalize the policing of crime, to arrest what it says are 15 Israeli "war criminals" who were involved in the conflict in Gaza in December and January.

This champion of human rights has even set up a court and launched its own "investigation."
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AoA! :twisted: Praise to HM Sultan Qaboos, Royal Omani Police, their Internal Security Service division and all those involved! A true ally of India! Praise to the RAW/IB team aswell, repeat of the mission to get Khalistani terrorists who hijacked the plane to Dubai. AoA.
derkonig wrote:AoA AoA AoA
I cant believe my eyes.
B'lore blasts suspect held in top-secret mission
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shyamd wrote:AoA! :twisted: Praise to HM Sultan Qaboos, Royal Omani Police, their Internal Security Service division and all those involved! A true ally of India! Praise to the RAW/IB team aswell, repeat of the mission to get Khalistani terrorists who hijacked the plane to Dubai. AoA.
derkonig wrote:AoA AoA AoA
I cant believe my eyes.
B'lore blasts suspect held in top-secret mission
I am reliably informed that Omani Mili intel was involved in some level. Thanks to them too. The Omani public seem very positive about this news and are happy the Govt of Oman assisted.
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Once again thanks to all involved. Well done RAW/IB, ROP, mili intel again. Will speak to the omani side

RAW officials smuggle terrorist out of Muscat
By: MiD DAY Correspondent Date: 2009-03-04

Bangalore:
The operation was top secret and even airport officials were kept in the dark till about 15 minutes before the flight landed in Bangalore

RAW officials abducted a 32-year-old terror suspect from his hideout in Muscat and brought him to Bangalore in a private plane. The abduction was necessary since there is no extradition treaty between India and Muscat, a senior officer from the investigating agency said.

Sarfaraz Nawaz, a native of Kerala, is said to have financed the Bangalore serial blasts. He later fled to Muscat to take refuge with his relatives. His name cropped up during the interrogation of Abdul Sattar, a radio mechanic from Kerala who devised timers for the bombs.

Armed with the information, a team of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) officials tracked down Sarfaraz. They smuggled him into a private plane from Muscat to Bengaluru International Airport at around 12 am on Friday.

The operation was kept secret and even the Air Traffic Control (ATC) was taken by surprise when at 11.45 pm, they got a message to facilitate and "clear a non-civil aircraft," which was about to land in the next 15 minutes at the airport. They were further instructed to waive off the landing and taking off fee because it was a government aircraft.

Similar messages were flashed to the customs and immigration officials, who were asked to "give permission to passengers of the special aircraft without asking any questions".

Sarfaraz was later handed over to Bangalore police who are questioning him about his local contacts. Sarfaraz is closely connected to Riyaz Bhatkal, Iqbal and Naseer, all accused in the serial blast cases. Through his arrest we will be able to track down the others who have fled to other countries, a senior police officer said.

More arrested

The Anti-Terrorist Cell in Bangalore which is investigating the case has arrested six people in connection with the blasts so far.

"However, the kingpin is still at large. We have got vital information from Sarfaraz and we are questioning him for more," police added.
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To the resident br experts, Why are long forgotten issues between various islamic sects and between nations in middle east being raised in recent days. Is there any plans to start some mini-wars between gulf states? The economic collapse has led to loss of business so is this about making money by selling weapons if a conflict arises? Or even the perception that a conflict may start will force nations to buy weapons urgently? Any thoughts on this?
Heightened Shiite-Sunni tension in Medina
Saudi Sunni, Shiite websites trade accusations of breakout of clashes between Shiite, security forces in Medina.
Gulf official slams Iran stance toward Arabs
GCC warns Iran against making hostile remarks
The recent provocative statement from a prominent Iranian conservative and high-level adviser, Ali Akber Nateq Nouri, who called Bahrain Iran’s 14th province...
Protesters burn Bahrain police car
Saturday, February 28, 2009
Police forces have been deployed around villages in Bahrain following weeks of demonstrations by Shiites angry over the detention of several of their leaders on charges of seeking to destabilize the government.
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shyamd wrote:AoA! :twisted: Praise to HM Sultan Qaboos, Royal Omani Police, their Internal Security Service division and all those involved! A true ally of India! Praise to the RAW/IB team aswell, repeat of the mission to get Khalistani terrorists who hijacked the plane to Dubai. AoA.
derkonig wrote:AoA AoA AoA
I cant believe my eyes.
B'lore blasts suspect held in top-secret mission
AoA....

OT but Shyamd,
had we done the same to Khalistanis from the ME also?

Hope that all the anti-Indian pigs on the run and sipping zam-zam cola in the ME are quivering in what ever they are wearing.
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From Wiki......

Sultan Qaboos ibn Sa‘id was born in Salalah in Dhofar on 18 November 1941. He is the only son of Sultan Sa‘id bin Taymur and is one of the 8th generation of the Al Bu Sa‘idi dynasty. He received his primary and secondary education in Salalah and at Pune, India and attended a private educational establishment in England from the age of sixteen.
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sum wrote: OT but Shyamd,
had we done the same to Khalistanis from the ME also?
Yes, something similar. In B Raman's book, he stated that an IA/AI aircraft was hijacked, taken to Dubai. Then, Dubai authorities told hijackers that they are being taken to america. Cunning Yindu's leased an american jet and parked on tarmac with windows shut. The hijackers fell for it and were flown to India. (I may have mixed up some bits, I am saying this from memory) But the story is similar. If I am not mistaken, Talmiz Ahmed (Current Indian ambassador to UAE) was involved in this episode. Anyone who has the book will tell you exactly what happened.
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