Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Washington, April 15: Ahmed Rashid, a globally known expert on Taliban, Tuesday warned that if India and Pakistan don’t resurrect dialogue and cooperate in fight against terror, then New Delhi could very well face an Indian Taliban in the near future.

Tilak · Post by **Tilak** » 19 Apr 2009 21:41

X-Posted :

Created a PDF and uploaded the N-E-A Surrender Document for posterity..

Download : The Nizam-E-Adl Regulation - Pakistan (2009)
Alternate Download Link : @Filesavr
FileType : PDF
Size : 70kb
Original Source : Geo TV [Pakistan]

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 20 Apr 2009 08:16

NYT:

Americans Ambushed in AfPak

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 21 Apr 2009 05:45

the highly porous British-Pakistani border is arousing concern:

http://www.economist.com/world/britain/ ... extfeature

...London School of Economics crunched data to show that British-born Pakistanis, or those who immigrated as children, are more likely to have foreign spouses than those who came to Britain as adults.

This startling fact may help to explain why Pakistanis (and Bangladeshis, who have similar marital habits) are failing to close the gap with other ethnic groups on female employment. Only a quarter of ethnic Pakistani women work, compared with 64% of Indians, for example. Mr Manning thinks something has to give: British women have greater earning power than their Pakistani husbands, which makes traditional roles in the home less plausible. In some cases, extremism may stem in part from male frustration that the old order is being subverted...

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Apr 2009 04:44

TALIBAN THREAT 1????
http://teabreak.pk/taliban-threat-1-221/19519/

Phase of its history. At one side there is a racial conflict going on in Balochistan and on other hand A religous insurgency going in NWFP especially FATA. Internation media is createing hue and cry over advancement of Taliban and is predicting soon Pakistan will fall in the hands of Taliban

Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 24 Apr 2009 00:57

Pakistan bid to stop Taleban push

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8014167.stm

Last year someone in BR predicted that Pak will allow US direct intervension only when they see their balls crushed. i guess time has come and pakis will willingly allow this to happen or else they will disintegrate
second option is pakis allow taliban to move towards kashmir(which we have been hearing)

Either way its bad for India. Interesting times ahead

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Apr 2009 01:20

Rampy wrote:Pakistan bid to stop Taleban push

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8014167.stm

Last year someone in BR predicted that Pak will allow US direct intervension only when they see their balls crushed. i guess time has come and pakis will willingly allow this to happen or else they will disintegrate
second option is pakis allow taliban to move towards kashmir(which we have been hearing)

Either way its bad for India. Interesting times ahead

wouldn't kashmir be like a 'roach motel' for the taliban? They go in, and the army will slaughter them after initial setbacks.

debadutta · Post by **debadutta** » 24 Apr 2009 01:51

If Taliban takes over , then we may have to deal with Refugees from TSP . Not a plesant scenario for India.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Apr 2009 01:53

Folks this is a news only thread. So please no discussions.

Thanks, ramana

yogi · Post by **yogi** » 24 Apr 2009 03:33

Love the title of this piece : Is it Af-Pak? Is it Pak-Af? It's a Fak-Ap!

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 24 Apr 2009 03:56

Didn't that phrase appear here on BR first, just the other day?
Or was someone here just repeating what's already being used elsewhere?

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 24 Apr 2009 05:29

yogi wrote:Love the title of this piece : Is it Af-Pak? Is it Pak-Af? It's a Fak-Ap!

I would humbly suggest to the mods, to rename this thread Fak-Ap onlee

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 24 Apr 2009 06:14

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Its- ... 442319.cms
It's the terrorism, stupid; not India: US message to Pak

The United States will institute benchmarks that Pakistan will have to meet, including scaling down its confrontational posture
against India, if Islamabad is to earn the massive foreign aid Washington and its partners are lining up, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton indicated on Thursday.

The benchmarks will include moving troops from its border with India to its insurgency stricken areas to fight its homegrown terrorism problem, Clinton suggested, following up on the broad US prescription and advice to Pakistan that its grave domestic situation, and not India, constituted the biggest danger to its existence.

The Pakistani government — and some of its supporters like Senator John Kerry — has opposed legislative benchmarks, especially those which condition US aid to Pakistan ending its sponsorship of terrorism against India, saying they are humiliating. But lawmakers on the House side are against giving Pakistan a free ride given what they say is its history of double-dealing.

"I've been around this place 40 years. My experience with Pakistan during all that time is that it has always been Pakistan, which means it's a country of dealmakers, but they don't keep the deals," said Congressman David Obey. "I have absolutely no confidence in the ability of the existing Pakistani government to do one blessed thing."

Other members also complained about Pakistan's double-dealing – paying lip service to fighting terrorism while cutting deals with extremists. "How do we succeed in Pakistan if the Pakistanis themselves are either unwilling or incapable of making the tough choices and taking the tough action needed to confront the insurgency?" asked one Congressman.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Apr 2009 06:18

Guddu wrote:
yogi wrote:Love the title of this piece : Is it Af-Pak? Is it Pak-Af? It's a Fak-Ap!
I would humbly suggest to the mods, to rename this thread Fak-Ap onlee

Jernail ,Fak-Ap Kiya ni

Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 24 Apr 2009 07:21

KV Rao wrote:
Rampy wrote:Pakistan bid to stop Taleban push

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8014167.stm

Last year someone in BR predicted that Pak will allow US direct intervension only when they see their balls crushed. i guess time has come and pakis will willingly allow this to happen or else they will disintegrate
second option is pakis allow taliban to move towards kashmir(which we have been hearing)

Either way its bad for India. Interesting times ahead
wouldn't kashmir be like a 'roach motel' for the taliban? They go in, and the army will slaughter them after initial setbacks.

That has not stopped 138 of them sneeking in, they want to bleed us and they are willing to sacrifice foot soilders

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 24 Apr 2009 08:04

Pak civilian politicos have no balls to crush. And it's the military types who're doing the hammering anyway, whom the politicos are used to bending over for.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 24 Apr 2009 08:06

Here's one to read:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/04/23/new- ... s-endgame/

India's Endgame?

heh, hardly

the comments too are interesting

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 24 Apr 2009 09:14

NYT:

U.S. Questions Pakistan’s Will to Stop Taliban

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 24 Apr 2009 09:49

This brings back memories of Taliban's original "miraculous advance" across Afghanistan, back in the mid-1990s.

"miraculous" -- my foot!

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 24 Apr 2009 23:34

The criminals running the Af-Pak border

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Apr 2009 23:40

Guys, please no discussions in this thread. Please delete your posts. Thx.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Apr 2009 01:23

Will have to ban anyone who posts discussion here. What part of a request cant you understand?

From Nightwatch, 4/23/09

Pakistan: Updates. Tehrik-i-Nifaz-i-Shariat-Muhammadi leader Maulana Sufi Muhammad said he and his supporters are loyal to the Pakistani state and its 1973 constitution because it says the Koran and Sunah are the supreme law in Pakistan, Dawn reported 23 April. Sufi said there is no room for existing Western democracy in Islam and Shariah.

There seem to be no Pakistani press criticisms of the Maulana.

Tehrik-e-Taliban leader Maulana Fazlullah has instructed his followers to stop displaying weapons while on roads, The Frontier Post reported today. Maulana “FM” made the statement over the radio, telling militants to remove checkpoints and conceal their arms in Mingora city. Judicial officers and lawyers have gone on leave in Buner district, causing the courts to stop functioning, Dawn reported 23 April. Also, in Shangla District, lawyers have stopped appearing in courts following warnings from militants.

More than 30 Taliban militants have entered the Puran region of Shangla District, The News reported on 23 April, citing eyewitness reports. Militants have reportedly been patrolling the Loch Bazaar. Shangla is the third area that the Pakistani Taliban has entered, after Swat and Buner.

Shangla is adjacent to and east of Swat District and adjacent to and the next district north of Buner District. It has just under half a million people, determined to be the poorest in the North West Frontier Province and the second poorest in all of Pakistan.

If the Pakistani Taliban can subvert one more district to the east, they will have created a belt militant controlled districts that severs northern Pakistan from Afghanistan to the border of Indian Kashmir.

Afghanistan: Yesterday NPR reported a statement by a senior US military officer that the Taliban had created a stalemate in southern Afghanistan that present Coalition forces were unable to break. The officer assured his audience that 17,000 more US soldiers would break the standoff, as he described it.

This admission is a benchmark for those of us who have followed Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban. It represents a clear acknowledgment of Taliban capabilities, using small arms, rocket propelled grenades and subversion. The actual number of Taliban fighters almost certainly is less than the total number of Afghan government and Coalition forces.

The Taliban influence builds on a friendly population, not an intimidated population. Afghans know how to rid themselves of unwanted outsiders. So, no matter what village elders say about hating the Taliban to UK, Canadian or US personnel, they aid and abet the Taliban and benefit from their presence.

What this means is that the war for the Pashtun heartland is lost. 17,000 or 50,000 more soldiers will not make a difference in the vastnesses of southern Afghanistan, unless they replace the Afghan police in every district center and stay for a generation.

The Coalition forces and the Afghan forces won every battle, but that is irrelevant because they have failed to prevent the return of the Taliban to power at the district level, and now at the regional level, by US admission. It is unusually candid for a US General to admit what NightWatch has reported for two years – the government needs more manpower – and that the technical advantages of modern ground and air forces have been neutralized by men wearing dishdashas, sandals and turbans; lacking air defenses; and armed with homemade roadside bombs and small arms.

The Taliban will take heart from this admission.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 25 Apr 2009 12:03

AFP:

US Protests Strongly to Islamabad, Taliban Magically Withdraws

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 25 Apr 2009 14:23

Is Pakistan a Mortal Threat to the US?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 26 Apr 2009 14:39

Boston.com editorial on Pakistan's threat to US:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... _pakistan/

my comments are included at the bottom of the article.

Bhaskar · Post by **Bhaskar** » 26 Apr 2009 22:11

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/US-e ... 451937.cms

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 27 Apr 2009 01:01

Taliban And Nukes !!!!!!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... LfoZI2NhPw

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 27 Apr 2009 01:04

PAK -E - VIEWS.

http://www.pakistanherald.com/prog_show ... rog_id=987

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Apr 2009 01:22

Ananya, are you sure its lahore , i dont seen any TFTA but onlee 400% Somalians in Video.

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 27 Apr 2009 05:39

Yes , what would happen if the 400% land up in India as refugees after PAK breaks up and leaves AF in peace.

another one

http://www.pakistanherald.com/prog_show ... rog_id=988

this site rocks...

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 28 Apr 2009 02:25

Mother Jones:

Could Pakistan Dissolve Altogether?

Interview: Afghanistan scholar Thomas Barfield on Pashtun rebels, a nuclear Punjab, and how Islamabad played Americans for suckers.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Apr 2009 02:32

Mullen on CNn, doubts Paki ability to survive Talibani onslaught.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Apr 2009 02:35

Not being trained for counterinsurgency and only for fighting conventional warfare
seems to keep repeating.
Look like a bogey man and psy ops for US troops to land in TSP for joint operations.

And Pakistan has basically bent over.

TB: Yes, it really has. They have trained their troops to fight conventional warfare on the plains with tanks, with missiles, against India. So in a place like Swat, where you've got guys with guns fighting in mountains, and who are experts on ambush, they have just trounced the Pakistan army. The army is able to take back the major roads, the major towns, but its people are not trained and they don't seem to have the stomach for taking these guys on in essentially a counterinsurgency.