J & K news and discussion

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 15 Apr 2009 01:08

jamwal wrote:I never had many expecations from Congress govt. but if Americans were here for something like this..then even god can't help India.

Jamwal ji, it is alright for now. Not all is lost. The desperation shown by the US to deal with the present establishment and in a hurry reflects, that the degree of influence they wield is dated. Any dispensation that is pliable always comes with an expiry date. Will help in lessons learnt for future. B.S.Raghavan's article posted above is just a preliminary scrutiny into the dealings, and more details will inevitably come to light as time goes by.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Apr 2009 23:38

Hurriyat criticises Pakistan-based militants for poll boycott
Posted in full with comments

Srinagar : The separatist Hurriyat Conference Thursday criticised the Pakistan-based militant conglomerate, the United Jehad Council (UJC), for asking Kashmiris to boycott the Lok Sabha polls.

Acting chairperson of the moderate Hurriyat group Maulana Abbas Ansari said the UJC led by Syed Salahuddin was confused as the umbrella organisation of various militant groups chose not to interfere in the 2008 assembly elections.

"In 2008, the UJC said they would not interfere with the elections and now they are asking people to boycott them. It is confusing," Ansari told a cable TV channel here.

The UJC, a conglomerate of about a dozen militant groups fighting in Kashmir, last week asked the people to stay away from the poll process.

The Hurriyat Conference, led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, has also decided not to call for a boycott of parliamentary elections saying elections had nothing to do with the resolution of the Kashmir problem.

"These are for day to day governance and development. For us in the Hurriyat Conference holding elections is a non-issue," Ansari, a prominent Shia leader, said.

After three days of discussions here, the group announced that the elections were no alternative to "the right to self-determination" but did not specifically ask Kashmiris to keep away from the polls.

Sources said Hurriyat constituents were divided over the issue since its boycott appeal was ignored by the people during the December 2008 assembly elections.

The hardline Hurriyat group headed by Syed Ali Geelani has also called for an election boycott in the state, which elects six members to the Lok Sabha including three from the Kashmir Valley.

In a related development, National Conference president and former chief minister Farooq Abdullah said his priority was to help resume the stalled dialogue between India and Pakistan.

"My first priority is to work for resumption of the India-Pakistan dialogue," Abdullah said.

He said that he would also try to restore the dialogue process between Hurriyat leaders and the union government.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Apr 2009 23:46

These are for day to day governance and development. For us in the Hurriyat Conference holding elections is a non-issue," Ansari, a prominent Shia leader, said.

Thats EXACTLY what elections are for. Day to day affairs and Governance. Now what do you need more? This is what exactly the rest of India vote for. Nothing more. You want to offer Namaz 10 times a day..your biz. Elections are exactly for that.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Apr 2009 17:45

Did Abdullah ever retract or qualify his earlier statement on "azadi"? he recently filed his papers for election, which means he is sworn to respect the Indian constitution.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 17 Apr 2009 18:14

anupmisra wrote:Did Abdullah ever retract or qualify his earlier statement on "azadi"? he recently filed his papers for election, which means he is sworn to respect the Indian constitution.

Why isn't NSA invoked against these politicians and against Hurriyat leaders. Or just like some other laws doesn't NSA apply to JK.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 17 Apr 2009 18:21

What is really bad is that no party has come out clearly regarding the steps for rehabilitation of Kashmiri pandits. Giving them back their properties etc.
Has BJP mentioned something about it?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Apr 2009 02:26

NSA has been applied against a few Hurriyat rats at different times..but IMO not as often as it's required.
BJP made some noises about supporting a separate homeland for Pandits sometime ago, don't know how sincere are they. You can't have a Pandit homeland without dividing the state into atleast 2 or more parts and that looks like a bad idea right now. BTW displaced pandits are fighting elections on their own.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 18 Apr 2009 22:32

2 terrorists and one woman accompliace killed in Doda.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 18 Apr 2009 23:59

^^i can not find anything on tv or in news confirming this incident

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Apr 2009 00:52

National media is too busy covering IPL, streaking dogs and elections. 7 CRPF men died in an avlanche. In a road accident 1 died and 4-5 were injured. That was not on TV either, AFAIK.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 19 Apr 2009 00:59

jamwal wrote:National media is too busy covering IPL, streaking dogs and elections. 7 CRPF men died in an avlanche. In a road accident 1 died and 4-5 were injured. That was not on TV either, AFAIK.

from where u get all this info do u live in kashmir.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Apr 2009 01:35

ermm.. Jammu

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 19 Apr 2009 04:20

jamwal wrote:ermm.. Jammu

IN fact IIRC and AFAIK,

JAMWAL == JAMmu + WALa.

Right, jamwal, bhai?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 19 Apr 2009 09:07

Jamwal is a proper Dogra surname.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 19 Apr 2009 09:14

Woman among LeT militants killed in Doda

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Apr 2009 14:52

Two more security men killed:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/two-s ... jk/448775/

Two security personnel, including an army jawan, were today killed in a fierce gunbattle between militants and security forces in Doda district of Jammu and Kashmir, a police officer said. A fierce encounter broke out in the Kashtigarh forest belt following a joint search operation launched by police and Army on receipt of information about presence of militants, DIG, Doda-Kishtwar-Ramban range, Himanat Lohia said. One Special Police Officer (SPO) and an army jawan were killed during the gunbattle, Lohia said, adding that the gunbattle is still going on in the area.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 19 Apr 2009 16:28

65 quake survivors demand shelter from POK govt

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Apr 2009 22:12

vsudhir wrote:
jamwal wrote:ermm.. Jammu
IN fact IIRC and AFAIK,

JAMWAL == JAMmu + WALa.

Right, jamwal, bhai?

yes.
Other such names are

Billawaria -- From Billawar
Sambyal -- From Samba

and a few others.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 20 Apr 2009 04:58

Srinagar gets a facelift for Durbar move

Around 7,000 employees and truckloads of the office records will be transported to the city, famous for its lakes and snow-capped mountains, during the bi-annual exercise. The practice, started by Maharaja Gulab Singh in 1872 to accommodate weather changes in Jammu and Srinagar, devours crores of rupees from the state exchequer every year.

Why do they do it every year, given that it puts a major strain on the budget: Is this like a stimulus package instituted in 1872?
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holn ... 200383.htm

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 20 Apr 2009 09:27

^^^^^
They have to do it, to prevent accusations of discrimination from either Jammu or Kashmir. In 1987 the Farooq Abdullah government made some underhanded moves to make Srinagar the permanent capital by stationing certain departments in that city, leading to an agitation in Jammu province:

November 8. Incidents of brickbatting between the police and demonstrators are reported from Jammu and adjoining Samba town in response to the bandh call given by the Jammu Bar Association in protest against the State Government's decision on the trucated 'durbar move' to Jammu by retaining at least several major departments permanently in Srinagar. The indefinite bandh is also being supported by opposition parties including BJP, Janta Party, Lok Dal (B), Awami National Conference and Panthers Party.

November 12. The State Government decides to accept the recommendations of the Cabinet Sub-Committee headed by Industry Minister, Beli Ram, under which 17 offices will be permanently stationed in Jammu and an equal number in Srinagar. The Secretariat will work for six months in Jammu and for the rest of the year in Srinagar.

November 14. Jammu Bar Association calls off its 36 day old agitation against the 'durbar move' following a State Government announcement that all its offices will move to Jammu as per past practice.

And after Jammu settled down, kashmir erupted into a counter-agitation:

November 16. A near complete bandh is observed in the Kashmir Valley with shops and business establishments remaining closed in protest against the Government decision to withdraw its October 7 order regarding the partial 'durbar move'.

November 18. More than 15 people are injured in renewed clashes between groups of youth and the police as Srinagar observes a hartal for the third successive day in support of the demand for making Srinagar the permanent capital of the State.

November 30. The Srinagar Bar Association calls off its 22 day old boycott of the courts on the issue of the "durbar move".

From JammuKashmirLeh Dateline

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 20 Apr 2009 22:24

Yup, it's a massive waste of money and time. Employees waste months of April and October preparing for Darbaaar Move. May and November are spent in getting everything in order in new offices. It also gives "honest abduls" a chance to "get rid of" many "useless" files and equipment.
But this custom is unlikely to stop anytime soon.

In other news

12 hurt as people protest Hurriyat's decision

Soon after Friday prayers, a group of youth assembled at Nowhatta chowk in the old city and burnt an effigy of acting chairman of moderate faction of Hurriyat Conference Maulana Mohammad Abbas Ansari to protest his stand on boycott of Lok Sabha polls in the Valley, official sources said.

Ansari, at the end of four-day deliberation of the Hurriyat, said the amalgam will not issue a boycott call for the Lok Sabha polls and leave the decision to vote or not to vote on the conscience of the people. Former chairman of the amalgam Abdul Gani Bhat said boycott of elections was not possible in the State as people from Jammu, Ladakh, Doda, Bhaderwah, Kishtwar and frontier regions would vote anyway.

Retards

Their leaders give them the option of making up their own minds and this is how they acknowledge it. Azaadi lenge ..indeed

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 21 Apr 2009 16:54

I do not see the whole point about discussing JK with Pakis or giving special status for so long to JK.
My points are
The people of JK(especially K) are no different from the rest of India say a Bihari, Maharastrian, Karnataka etc. Each state has its own culture , does it mean each state should be independent
What is so special about Kashmiriyat? Nothing more or nothing less than a Bihari culture or a Bengali or so on
The GOI has been behaving like Dhimmi in this issue. I am still waiting for a bold PM to say the above two things or something to that effect from the ramparts of Red fort on Independence day.

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 21 Apr 2009 22:00

unable to trace this news in indian media

Five killed in Indian Kashmir blast ahead of polls

JAMMU: At least five people were killed when a vehicle hit an explosive device in Indian Kashmir on Tuesday, just days ahead of a second round of polling in the restive region, police said.

Police said the blast occurred in Poonch district, 250 km northwest of Jammu, the winter capital of the Himalayan region.

'They were travelling when it (vehicle) hit an explosive device,' a police spokesman said.

Indian forces have cordoned off the area, although no militant group has so far claimed responsibility, police said.

Indian security officials say violence and infiltration in Kashmir have increased in recent weeks, despite thick snow on mountain passes on the Kashmir border.

To provide adequate security, voting has been staggered over five phases in Kashmir, where separatist militants have called for a boycott.

They say New Delhi is trying to boost the legitimacy of its rule in the region, which both India and Pakistan claim, by holding elections.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... f+polls-rs

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Apr 2009 23:10

X Post.

Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan says that their members have not infiltrated J&K:

If We Decide, No Power On Earth Can Stop Us’

GHULAM-ULLAH KIYANI

Islamabad, Apr 20: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan on Monday dismissed the reports that its cadres had entered Jammu and Kashmir ..................

In an exclusive interview with Greater Kashmir, the chief spokesman of Tehreek-e-Taliban, Haji Muslim Khan, strongly refuted the reports that the Taliban had entered Jammu and Kashmir.

“We fail to understand why India has unleashed a propaganda that Taliban had entered the Kashmir Valley. By such tactics, India wants to harass Kashmiris,” he said, adding that they only wanted to enforce the will of Allah (Islam) all over the world. ……………..........

“If we decide to fight the Indians in Kashmir, no power on earth can stop us,” Khan, however, asserted.

“Elections in India are not a matter of Taliban’s interest. We are fighting for a bigger cause. Why should Taliban enter Kashmir to disrupt the Indian elections,” he asked. ………………....

“Fight for territory is not Jihad. The real Jihad is to enforce the divine law based on justice, which breaks the shackles of human slavery,” Khan said. ……….............

"If use of gun by India and the US is justified, why not by the Muslims, in self defence," he asked. ………….............

Greater Kashmir

Rishirishi · Post by **Rishirishi** » 22 Apr 2009 02:27

rkirankr wrote:I do not see the whole point about discussing JK with Pakis or giving special status for so long to JK.
My points are
The people of JK(especially K) are no different from the rest of India say a Bihari, Maharastrian, Karnataka etc. Each state has its own culture , does it mean each state should be independent
What is so special about Kashmiriyat? Nothing more or nothing less than a Bihari culture or a Bengali or so on
The GOI has been behaving like Dhimmi in this issue. I am still waiting for a bold PM to say the above two things or something to that effect from the ramparts of Red fort on Independence day.

Welcome to BR. You will find many likeminded here.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 22 Apr 2009 04:04

jamwal wrote: Other such names are

Billawaria -- From Billawar
Sambyal -- From Samba

and a few others.

Do you know of a Kunwar Rattan Dev Singh Billawaria from Jammu?

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 22 Apr 2009 06:30

NDTV undermining the IA or what?

Were women killed in J&K terrorists?

After women were killed in two encounters in Kashmir between security forces and militants, much was being made of how the Lashkar was now using women operatives, something that was new in the Valley.

But now NDTV has learned that the two women killed were not connected to the Lashkar at all nor were they militants but simply, were involved with the militants on a personal level.

Oh I see....so that makes it OK, eh? giving aid and comfot to the enemy==Aiding and abetting terrorism==terrorism onlee.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 22 Apr 2009 06:51

vsudhir wrote:NDTV undermining the IA or what?

Were women killed in J&K terrorists?

After women were killed in two encounters in Kashmir between security forces and militants, much was being made of how the Lashkar was now using women operatives, something that was new in the Valley.

But now NDTV has learned that the two women killed were not connected to the Lashkar at all nor were they militants but simply, were involved with the militants on a personal level.
Oh I see....so that makes it OK, eh? giving aid and comfot to the enemy==Aiding and abetting terrorism==terrorism onlee.

vsudhir saheb,
it is known from a long time whose side ndtv and burkha is on. hint: it is to the west of India.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Apr 2009 10:00

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... ir/449607/
Srinagar: Nearly 100 militants belonging to Lashker-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen have managed to slip into Jammu and Kashmir in recent weeks, after which the authorities beefed up security around key installations in the state.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 22 Apr 2009 11:17

p_saggu wrote:
Do you know of a Kunwar Rattan Dev Singh Billawaria from Jammu?

Maj. Billawria in RR? Not personally.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 22 Apr 2009 11:32

This "100 terrorists sneaked in to Kashmir" seems like a hit-job. I am suspicious because the last line blames IA and seems like an agenda-item rather than true reporting.

To the best of my search, the first report on this again came from Xinhua (Editor: Fang Yang, different from the previous one), five hours before Times of India FIRST reported it. The Xinhua report quotes NDTV as saying "150 terrorists may have sneaked in", and then there is one more report from another rag that says "115 terrorists may have sneaked in" {Phone call based mis-quoting?! 150 and 115 sound close on phone}. The next report by Economic times states "100 terrorists have sneaked in" and drops "may" from the report. In two hours, ToI goes from a suspicious state to a positive fact-based statement.

I dug up what happened 0-2 days before in J&K and two points pop up. One report says "Tourist numbers in J&K are up". Another report says "Indian army is going to build vast infra in Ladakh." Based on my previous investigation on the "Taleebs are now in J&K" report, this suggests a Xinhua-based misinformation campaign lapped up by DDM. Everytime there seems to be some positive news on the J&K front, there is a vile campaign (that may or may not be close to reality) that is being spread. If this forms a pattern, expect another hit-job about how the Taleebs are eyeing Baglihar in the next few days (or some similar report).

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Apr 2009 19:54

vsudhir wrote:NDTV undermining the IA or what?

Were women killed in J&K terrorists?

After women were killed in two encounters in Kashmir between security forces and militants, much was being made of how the Lashkar was now using women operatives, something that was new in the Valley.

But now NDTV has learned that the two women killed were not connected to the Lashkar at all nor were they militants but simply, were involved with the militants on a personal level.
Oh I see....so that makes it OK, eh? giving aid and comfot to the enemy==Aiding and abetting terrorism==terrorism onlee.

And these are our Padma-Shri award winners!!!!

Direct terrorist action = no-no but OWG work=Ok ? Weird Lahori logic at work here...

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 23 Apr 2009 00:25

As Stan said before that the reports of 150,115,100,75 terrorists infiltrating across LOC is a plant by china and indian DDMietes in collusion.HM also denied these reports of taliban or 150 terrorists infiltrating into kashmir as everything is going on positive pace there with the successful state election in NOV,increase in tourism etc even as Stan also said that indian army developing its infrastructure forward areas of Laddak.So this sure is chinese/paki plant.

Reports of terrorist infiltration into J&K exaggerated: Home Ministry

The Union Home Ministry on Wednesday termed the media reports stating large scale infiltration of armed militants in Gurez Sector of Jammu and Kashmir as “exaggerated,” while clarifying that the actual level of infiltrators is less than one third of the figures widely reported.

LINK

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 25 Apr 2009 12:17

Two Hizb militants killed in Baramulla
Srinagar: Two Hizb-ul Mujahideen militants, part of a group that recently infiltrated into the valley through the Gurez sector, were killed in Baramulla district, 55 km from here, on Friday.

Mohammad Yaqoob Dar alias Zubair and his Pakistani friend Shaheen were intercepted by a joint search party of police and Rashtriya Rifles at Wakanpora-Sopore, Superintendent of Police (Sopore) Bhim Singh Tuti said. They were killed in an encounter that lasted about four hours.

“The militants had moved to Sopore and were in the process of establishing a base,” Mr. Tuti said. Police received specific information and launched a search operation with Rashtriya Rifles.

The militants, who had taken shelter in a house in the village, tried to escape the cordon on noticing the movement of security forces. But they were intercepted by the search party at a nursery.

On March 26, the Army had intercepted a large group of militants near the Line of Control in the Gurez sector of Bandipora district and shot one of them dead. The others had escaped and could not be traced,. — PTI

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 25 Apr 2009 14:42

Army arrests Pak terrorist in J&K's Gurez sector

The captured terrorist, Syed Moinullah Shah from North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) in Pakistan, underwent training in Mansera. Syed Moinullah Shah had crossed the border with 31 other terrorists. He was caught while trying to return to Pakistan.

He said some of the militants, who have undergone 18-90 days of intensive training, were "drugged" and pushed through the difficult terrain by their handlers.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 25 Apr 2009 19:40

It is known that the weapons were primarily "Made in China" aka Grenade's. Why can't GoI talk to China sternly on the issue that you are directly involved in the terrorism in India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Apr 2009 20:17

ashish raval wrote:Why can't GoI talk to China sternly.

India being stern with the Chinkies? Don't make me laugh. Even the US is afraid to take that approach and we are thousands of miles and several generations ahead of them in everything.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 25 Apr 2009 20:19

tsriram wrote:Army arrests Pak terrorist in J&K's Gurez sector

He was caught while trying to return to Pakistan. He said some of the militantswere "drugged"

I guess the effect of the drug wore off.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 26 Apr 2009 00:27

ashish raval wrote:It is known that the weapons were primarily "Made in China" aka Grenade's. Why can't GoI talk to China sternly on the issue that you are directly involved in the terrorism in India.

It's been like that for years. AKs, grenades, pistols,..almost everything is Chinese.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Apr 2009 02:04

Non-bailable warrants against Yasin Malik

Presiding Officer TADA Court issued non-bailable warrants against accused allegedly involved in kidnapping of Dr Rubiya Sayeed, daughter of then Union Home Minister and former Chief Minister of the State and killing of five Air Force personnel