The Red Menace

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 26 Feb 2009 20:33

brushaspati,

sir. i request you. i dont know what i am looking for, but loosely i am looking for a dialectic criticism of marxism. if there is any such animal. please guide me to it. i will be indebted for ever.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 26 Feb 2009 20:41

brihaspati wrote:you appear to be steeped in the culture of "revolutionary audacity" more expressed through arrogance and uncouthness of language and expression than in any real revolutionary activity.

Hmm...

The rare species called "Kerala communists" are experts in this. Their revolutionary activity primarily is using uncouth languages against opponents, threats when and where required and routine destruction of public property and attacking the police. The current LDF regime at Kerala have some expert comrades at the ministry level to conduct the "revolutionary audacity".

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 26 Feb 2009 23:20

jupiter ji, that's a gem !

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 27 Feb 2009 00:16

The rhetoric of defaming and degrading individuals is a standard tactic of the marxists and similar minded creatures right from the local guy to the level of Thaparite historians. Groups of leftists would gather and threat opposing voices with insults, crude sarcasm, instant labelling of individuals as 'fascists' and followed by threats of violence. Numbers play a key role in their interactions: loud threats would drown opposing voices. The practice is similar to jihadis.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 27 Feb 2009 00:28

Abhi_G wrote:The rhetoric of defaming and degrading individuals is a standard tactic of the marxists

I have heard that Lenin himself had some standard tactic which he preached in the open. Some thing like "first we proclaim them as offenders, and later we judge them" kind of statement. Basically marxists just declare some one to be a criminal and use that declaration to bump him off. Should try to dig more info about this.

Ananth · Post by **Ananth** » 27 Feb 2009 00:55

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Kolk ... 192486.cms
Maoists shoot RPF jawans on train in Purulia, loot rifles

The glorious tradition of "Dictatorship of the Proleteriate" is continuing.

The four jawans N Singh, Mohammad N Ansari, Kesar Majhi and M S Shekhar were in the brake van, guarding Rs 5 lakh. "We had made the payments to RPF jawans at the station and were about to board the train when there were gunshots behind us. Before I could turn around, I felt a sharp pain in my back and fell unconscious," said Shekhar from his bed in Bokaro General Hospital. He has been admitted to the critical care unit with a fractured spinal cord. Ansari and Majhi died on the way to Bokaro.

Also it seems comarade Sureshm's wisdoms are needed more at Purulia rather than on BR. It seems Maoists still value money so much that they wanted to take over a bank.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Citi ... 192941.cms
Maoists' bid to loot bank

MOTIHARI: Around two dozen Maoists surrounded the Bank of India (BoI)'s branch office at Sirsa village, some 10 km from East Champaran district
HQ Motihari, late on Wednesday night and were reported to be firing on the villagers to scare them away apparently to loot the bank.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 27 Feb 2009 01:12

I wonder why the RPF still have to be paid in cash. These guys form the first line of defense against these terrorists and the GoI cannot even do a simple thing as direct deposit in their bank accounts? Or make the disbursement and transportation of money in a highly guarded secure place. I know of hassles one has to face in nationalized banks away from the main city centers and these are the places where our needy jawans deposit their salaries. Why is so much lethargy to improve their lot? What was the point of taking lakhs of money in a train and distributing among the soldiers when one very well knows that an attack can happen. And despite this our jawans continue to perform the supreme sacrifice and save the a*** of babudom. I would not be surprised if the jawan with the bullet wound in the spinal chord will ever be able to move again.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 27 Feb 2009 03:51

Shaardulaji,

that is a vast topic. Georgescu-Roegen (1966) Analytical Economics : Issues and Problems, Harvard University Press (there could be later editions - I have only this one) is a huge survey, and his definition of dialectic concept is that cocept which defies the fundamental law of logic, the principle of contradiction : "B cannot be both A and non-A". Note that this is only a part of Hegelian dialectics which is what Marx essentially follows.

Essentially - "dialectics" has been abused so much as a concept, that its original definition and use has now become "mystified". Pareto's criticism of Marxian use of the same word or expression to mean different things in different context is a valid one (words as "bats" - both bird and mammal). Basically it is the Feurbachian and Hegelian concept of thesis -antithesis-synthesis and is too vague to be applied rigorously.

There are many analytical critiques of Marxian hypotheses and analysis. I am not sure whether I should go into the technical intrricacies. But you can look for works based on critiques of the "class theory" in ideology, "the base-superstructure debate", "determinism" problem in "historical materialism", and the "transformation problem" and the "labour theory of value" in the economics domain. Two good starting points can be "Marxism and Class theory- a bourgeois critique" by Frank Parkin, and Morishima's "Marx's Economics". Hopefully this helps!

Will try to write something later on the "problems of power and class power" in Marxian analysis.

Ananth · Post by **Ananth** » 03 Mar 2009 23:57

Naxals back to their modus operandi:

Maoists own up Badabarada forest attack
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... kuKw=&SEO=

Sabyasachi Panda, the naxal against whom OR dalam led a revolt seems to have been accomodated.
Jhilika landmine blast case: One arrested for Maoist link
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... kuKw=&SEO=

Police also claimed that Gunamani was working for Maoist leaders Azad alias Ramesh and Sabyasachi Panda alias Sunil. Guramani is the second person arrested in connection with the landmine blast. Earlier, one John Raita alias Ramesh of Tudukapanka village under R.Udayagiri police limits was arrested.

Ananth · Post by **Ananth** » 17 Mar 2009 21:49

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090316/j ... 676106.jsp
Rebel shadow on rail link grows longer
- Hazaribagh project cost soars by Rs 500cr in 10 years as state, police engage in blame game

A “dormant” administration, not taking action against the rebels, has allowed frequent attacks on the project. On several occasions, construction companies were targeted and expensive machines set on fire. Railway officials confirmed that due to the Maoist threat, only 80km out of this 200km project had been completed.

Well the "dormant" administration is the result of post electoral manipulation using Governor's powers by Congress (I) to keep "fascist & communal" BJP out of power. The result of which an independent is the CM without accountability and shady character running the show without responsibility and people of Jharkhand suffering as a result of it. Well the charade that is being paraded in the name of "secularism" and the refusal of the so called "intellekchils" is what is resulting in the culprits getting off scot free without any consequence. The incompetent BJP not bringing this to light is another tragedy.

http://orissadiary.com/CurrentNews.asp?id=11394
Maoist warning: Death punishment for Orissa leaders if engaged in election campaign

I believe they are promoting "direct democracy" here by thretening electoral process.

The leaders of Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP),Biju Janata Dal (BJD) and Congress will be given death penalty if they campaign for the party in the ensuing assembly constituencies in the two constituencies of the district, warned CPI (Maoist).

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Mar 2009 11:45

The Nandigram rapist goon/ Stalinist mass murderer's treacherous agenda is out in the open and can now be downloaded. Like the terrorists of Pakistan and their own handlers in Beijing, the rapist goons are expecting 'south asia' to be de-nuclearised. If it is such a nice idea, why not extend to whole of Asia? Oops wrong questions...one's that we don't expect the yellow media to ask these murderers because they are there to propagate their anti-Indian agenda.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 19 Mar 2009 12:28

RSS leader shot dead in Kandhmal district

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 14 Apr 2009 06:11

22 CISF men hold 200 Naxals for 10 hours, save 150 lives
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 398160.cms

For 10 hours, a band of 22 CISF jawans battled more than 200 heavily armed Maoists, without back-up or reinforcements, and
saved the lives of 150 Nalco staff who were held hostage by the guerrillas in Orissa's Damanjodi since Sunday night. The nightlong encounter took place in the largest bauxite mine in Asia.

The CISF lost 10 of their own and are believed to have inflicted heavy damage on the attackers. Bodies of four Maoists, including a woman, were recovered. Blood trails suggest the Maoists dragged many more bodies away. But the guerrillas did manage to get their hands on a cache of explosives. Two critically wounded jawans were air-lifted to Vizag, while seven others have been admitted to Damanjodi hospital.

RIP brothers

Utter utter scum

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 14 Apr 2009 06:19

^^^
Holy $%*&

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I never knew there were so many naxals involved in the encounter. Is CISF trained in COIN??
regardless they seem to have done a great job defending.

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 Apr 2009 06:29

WTF is CISF high command upto twiddling their thumbs or they have stuck em up theirs ?

; and dare anyone bring up any bureaucratic BS here unlike the LOC there is no boundary to cross . All that corps commander has to do is to discharge orders of a full fledged offensive against this entire group those 200 or so rats wont have disappeared into thin air .

I believe the military or para military are there to preserve democracy and not practice it but I believe in case of Maoists and Naxals it has cross all limits the folks in high command in security forces as equally responsible as the politicians who are behind all this .

This drama of passing the buck has to stop someone sane enough has to break the chain of the command and restore some order ; today Naxalites and Maoists are not yet armed with sophisticated weapons but thanks to HUJI and obliging Commies they might come armed with RPG's and AK's tomorrow .

Hack Patooth.

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 Apr 2009 09:29

All said and done,
Amazing work by the brave CISF men given the stories of 200 "soldiers" surrendering to 20 militants being commonplace in certain neighboring countries.

Holding off 200 armed animals is quite a task.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Apr 2009 12:52

Rest in peace CISF brothers.

This is not acceptable. It is happening inside our country. What the phuck prevents the government from hunting down these rabid dogs? We will react only when a small khujli becomes cancer. I am sure GOI is keeping all options open on this one also. May they all rot in hell. Ack thoo!

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 14 Apr 2009 18:01

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We need to tripple our police force using wealth tax on land and inheritance tax

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Essentially, naxals are getting huge supply of weapons and money from US Missionaries and CIA , via one or more of the following routes

1. US Missionaries, CIA -> ISI -> Naxal
2. US Missionaries, CIA -> Some NGOs in India -> Naxal
3. US Missionaries, CIA -> Naxal

We saw that in Nepal. The same success story is being rehearsed in India. The goal is to take over mines as well conversion. eg attack on NALCO will reduce the price at which MNC can take over NALCO.

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IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Apr 2009 10:13

Naxals strike in Latehar (Jharkhand). Take away 2 buses of CRPF going for poll duty.

I do not know why such news is not repeated on media/TV till govt takes action, the only interest they have is in pink chaddi.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Apr 2009 10:15

In the mean while naxals strike on BSF commandos camp in Rohtas (Jharkhand) posted for smooth elections, attack repulsed. Isn't preveting elections direct attack on sarkar.

Naxals attack BSF camp in Bihar
http://www.zeenews.com/states/2009-04-1 ... 9news.html

Patna, April 15: Suspected Maoists attacked a Border Security Force (BSF) camp in Bihar's Rohtas district early Wednesday, a day ahead of the first phase of Lok Sabha polls. No casualty was reported in the incident, police said.

Over 100 armed Maoists attacked the BSF camp at Bhansa Ghati in Rohtas, about 150 km from here, around 1:00 am. One security personnel was injured in the incident.

"Maoists used three rocket launchers in their attack on the BSF camp. Two launchers failed and one rocket hit a wall," Additional Director General of Police (Police Headquarters) Neelmani said.

The BSF camp was set up to ensure peaceful polls in view of the boycott call by the outlawed Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist).

"A company of the BSF was camping there in view of the Maoist threat during polls," Neelmani said.

"Two Air Force helicopters are being used to comb the area and track the Maoists," he added.

On Tuesday, Maoist rebels torched the campaign vehicle of Mahabali Singh, the Janata Dal-United (JD-U) candidate for the Karakat seat, at Karma-Vishnupur village in Aurangabad district, about 150 km from here.

On Monday, two school buildings in Gaya district and another primary school building in Aurangabad district were bombed by the guerrillas.

Most Maoist affected areas of the state will go to the polls in the first phase on Thursday. The government will deploy Central paramilitary forces in large numbers to ensure peaceful voting, officials said.

In the first phase, in which 13 of the state's 40 seats will go to the polls, choppers will be deployed for security. The other three rounds will be held on April 23, 30 and May 7.

Elections in Bihar have usually been troubled affairs. In the 1999 Lok Sabha polls, 74 people were killed. In 2004, the toll was 20.

IANS

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Apr 2009 10:23

Can anyone explain why actions of a Dara Singh or a Mutalik is that anyone supporting the BJP is guilty of thier crimes but why a leftist never has to account for the crimes done by leftists. Why is there such a distinction, who provides financing and arms to Leftists? WHy do the SP (UPA ally) want to travel in cars and build houses made with the best of technolgy but want to deny this to the whole of Indian masses?

Well secular seems to be a Euphemism for the 'Politics of backwardness and of the corrupt' in the Indian context.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2009 11:13

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2009 11:27

make sure we capture initial reports:

http://election.rediff.com/report/2009/ ... -train.htm

Ahead of the second phase of polling in Jharkhand, heavily-armed Naxals have taken a passenger train hostage in the Latehar district.
Initial reports said about 700 people were on board the train -- on its way to Mugalsarai from Barakana -- when around 200 odd Maoists attacked the train at Hillgarh station in Latehar district early Wednesday morning.
Media reports quoting police personnel said Naxalites [Images] had initially planned to target the New Delhi-bound Rajdhani Express, which was to pass through the station 30 minutes after the blast.
More details are awaited.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2009 11:28

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Naxa ... 433246.cms

NEW DELHI: Naxals struck once again ahead of the second phase of Lok Sabha polls by taking a passenger train with 700-800 people on board, hostage
on Wednesday.

The train was going from Barkana in Jharkhand to Mugalsarai in UP when it was hijacked at around 7-7.30am.

Naxals later took the train to Latehar railway station. Unconfirmed reports claim there are around 200 Naxals who boarded the train.

Jharkhand police in the area claim all the passengers are safe, so far. Four helicopters and Railway Protection Force has been pressed into action to control the situation. Additional forces have been rushed to the spot.

There has been a spurt in attacks after Naxalites called for a bandh to boycott polls in Jharkhand and Bihar.

Earlier on Wednesday, suspected Naxalites killed a truck driver and set ablaze nine trucks in Bihar's Gaya district and bombed a block office in Aurangabad district, police said.

Over 100 armed Maoists attacked trucks on the busy Grand Trunk Road near Barachatti in Gaya, about 100 km from here, at around 12.30am. They forcibly stopped the trucks at gun point and torched nine of the vehicles.

A truck driver, Lakshman Yadav, was shot dead while trying to escape with his truck.

A group of armed Maoists also bombed the Dev block development office in Aurangabad district, which is about 50 km from Gaya.

"They used explosives. The building was badly damaged," said Gaya Superintendent of Police M.R. Naik.

"We have received information about violence by Maoists in Gaya and Aurangabad districts. Security reinforcements have been sent there," said Bihar police chief D N Gautam.

Thirteen of the state's 40 seats will go to the polls on Thursday. The other two rounds will be held April 30 and May 7. The first phase was held for 13 seats on April 16 .

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2009 11:29

Maoists blow up BDO office, torch trucks

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 433275.cms

PATNA: Maoist rebels on Wednesday bombed a block development office in Aurangabad district and set ablaze eight trucks in neighbouring Gaya where
they shot dead a driver during their 24-hour bandh in Bihar and Jharkhand.

Hundreds of naxalites descended on the office of the block development officer in Aurangabad district and blasted his chamber and adjacent conference hall around 3 am, Additional Director General of Police (HQ) Neelmani said.

Nobody was present at the time of the incident. In another operation, the naxalites intercepted eight trucks on the Grand Trunk Road (national highway two) in Barachatti police station limits around 1.30 am and set them on fire.

The truck driver identified as Lakshman Yadav was shot dead when he tried to flee. The bandh was called to protest the killing of five Maoists in a recent encounter with the police in Latehar in neighbouring Jharkhand.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 22 Apr 2009 11:45

The first few reports stated 700-800 people. Now chindu claims 70-75. Was the media report based on information they gleaned from the people concerned or was it an orchestrated attempt to sensationalize an event happening on the ground?

negi · Post by **negi** » 22 Apr 2009 11:56

Dont know what to say ;yawn... waiting for MMS and his ilk to crawl out and blame the state government.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Apr 2009 12:41

There has to be a separate "army" to tackle the Naxalites in the same assymetric manner in which they've been fighting all these years.Their objective is the capture of the Indian state,thanks to their Chinese sponsors.Nepal has virtually fallen to the "Red menace",which has its origins and ideology from China.A no tolerance policy should prevail and the frces should use UAVs,helo gunships and even aircraft if need be to bomb the bases to smithereens once detected.Thge Naxalites are the equivalent of the Taliban in India and should be extermnated with the utmost prejudice before it is too late.MMS...words fail me to describe what immense damage he has done to the country's security,independent foriegn policy and economy.A beggar in the street would've been a better PM than this impotent specimen of humanity.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Apr 2009 15:56

This is crazy, BSF, CRPF etc are being attacked and jawans are dying like stray dogs. But there is no murmur from the side of govt. If this same govt comes back in power may be next election won't be held in some areas because of naxal menace.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 22 Apr 2009 16:26

Ever since US War on Terror began, Pakistan has been forced to divert its main support away from jihadis in Kashmir to the Naxalites, in order to avoid the international dragnet against jihadis.

Not only should intensive military manpower be deployed against them, but also air power, to give them "shock-and-awe".

I think a separate Telangana state would also be a positive way to alleviate the problem.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 22 Apr 2009 21:42

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8011660.stm

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Apr 2009 21:52

Whatever happened to the coverage of the Train hijack? No more mention anywhere in the press.

What is going on? What happened to the 700-800 hostages and the 200 or so b@astards? How many of the 200 were sent for a meeting with Mao?

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 24 Apr 2009 19:33

What really makes me mad is the support of so called intellectuals (self styled) support them.
A few years back a director and producer of popular kannada TV serial had some portions in the serial which was sympathetic to Naxals. He discontinued that line of story after aroun 10 policemen were killed and there was widespread outrage in the state.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 24 Apr 2009 20:27

Somehow, I would like to compare Maoist Naxalism of India with Thuggee system prevalent in medieval times in India in approximately same regions where Maoists reign today.

I guess, understanding how thuggee was eradicated would be helpful in devising the strategy to eradicate or at least control Naxalism. The origins of Naxalism and Thuggee are totally different and so are the motives behind doing what they do. But there is some weird similarity in the discreteness of both groups.

But, GOI will have to establish Naxalism controlling department on the grounds of "Thuggee and Dacoity department" established by British govt under William Sleeman.

Reasons for British success included:

1. the dissemination of reports regarding Thuggee developments across territorial borders, so that each administrator was made aware of new techniques as soon as they were put in practice, so that travellers could be warned and advised on possible counter-measures.

2. the use of King's evidence programmes gave an incentive for gang members to inform on their peers to save their own life. This undermined the code of silence that protected members.

3. at a time when, even in Britain, policing was in its infancy, the British set up a dedicated police force, the Thuggee Department, and special tribunals that prevented local influence from affecting criminal proceedings.

4. the police force applied the new detective methodologies to record the locations of attacks, the time of day or circumstances of the attack, the size of group, the approach to the victims and the behaviours after the attacks. In this way, a single informant, belonging to one gang in one region, might yield details that would be applicable to most, or all, gangs in a region or indeed across all India.

GOI will have to singlemindedly pursue this program throughout the length and breadth of subcontinent. Of course, this ruthlessness should be coupled with development of basic infrastructure and generation of employment in naxalite infested areas.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 25 Apr 2009 09:14

Chiron wrote:Somehow, I would like to compare Maoist Naxalism of India with Thuggee system prevalent in medieval times in India in approximately same regions where Maoists reign today.

I guess, understanding how thuggee was eradicated would be helpful in devising the strategy to eradicate or at least control Naxalism. The origins of Naxalism and Thuggee are totally different and so are the motives behind doing what they do. But there is some weird similarity in the discreteness of both groups.

But, GOI will have to establish Naxalism controlling department on the grounds of "Thuggee and Dacoity department" established by British govt under William Sleeman.

Reasons for British success included:

1. the dissemination of reports regarding Thuggee developments across territorial borders, so that each administrator was made aware of new techniques as soon as they were put in practice, so that travellers could be warned and advised on possible counter-measures.

2. the use of King's evidence programmes gave an incentive for gang members to inform on their peers to save their own life. This undermined the code of silence that protected members.

3. at a time when, even in Britain, policing was in its infancy, the British set up a dedicated police force, the Thuggee Department, and special tribunals that prevented local influence from affecting criminal proceedings.

4. the police force applied the new detective methodologies to record the locations of attacks, the time of day or circumstances of the attack, the size of group, the approach to the victims and the behaviours after the attacks. In this way, a single informant, belonging to one gang in one region, might yield details that would be applicable to most, or all, gangs in a region or indeed across all India.

GOI will have to singlemindedly pursue this program throughout the length and breadth of subcontinent. Of course, this ruthlessness should be coupled with development of basic infrastructure and generation of employment in naxalite infested areas.

Following two important factors have changed the scene

1. Maoist are getting arms and money from missionaries, ISI, Saud and CIA. The Thugees did not get any assistance from formidable foreign power.

2. British courts after 1870 were less unfair to non-political accused, and so normal commons had faith in British courts and policemen. Whatever you say about McCaulay and other British, the IPC and other laws they drafted created a police, court system which was LESS unfair than police, courts of most kings. So commons had one less reason to confront the British. But in places like Orissa etc, the policemen, judges are so cruel, atrocious and extortionist, that commons too sometimes feel like joining naxals.

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Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 08 May 2009 13:50

Satya_anveshi wrote:What is going on? What happened to the 700-800 hostages and the 200 or so b@astards? How many of the 200 were sent for a meeting with Mao?

There were reports which mentioned that Naxalites released the train and hostages after a few hours of captivity. The naxalites any way could not have done much with the hijacked train as it cannot be just taken to some unknown location. Even if Mao Tse Tung personally took command, it would be tough for naxals to take the train to a different place fully ignoring railway signalling procedures etc. None of the naxals have been caught or injured. I don't think there was any retaliatory move from the police.

Chiron wrote:Reasons for British success included:

I feel that the primary reason the British succeeded was that they had the will and the correct attitude. The rest of their "best practises" I think was formulated after this. And of course William Sleeman's dedicated efforts finished of the Thuggees for good. If I am not mistaken there is even a place named after this man

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Many of the best practises formulated by the British are still in place (the various wings, task groups, station diaries etc. etc.). What we lack is the attitude and where withall to finish of these modern day thuggees.

Another observation I have is that the general attitude of the society reflects in how a state deals with crime (and naxalism etc.). A society/state which is more vigilant, would naturally have a better police force and they would go full steam ahead against criminals/naxals etc. If the society (a state's people) have a kind of "chaltha hein" attitude, expect the police also to have the same attitude.

In olden days (60s and 70s) we had naxalite menace in Kerala and parts of Tamil Nadu. At first this movement did have some local support. But when they turned to their standard tactics of murder and loot, people got fed up and the police also acted fast. Many of William Sleeman's tactics were used in Kerala as well

. The result was that naxalism lost its popularity and its top rung hounded out. After this two naxal champions turned to religion - one is a hard-core Sai Baba devotee and another one is a Pastor

. In Tamil Nadu, if I remember correctly IPS officer Walter Devaram taught a few good lessons to naxals. They too mended their ways pretty soon.

In modern days Andhra Pradesh and its people suffered too much of naxalism. They soon got the will power and special police units like "grey hounds" were raised. Politicians too had to take some decisive actions, and provide the police with better equipments etc. etc. I feel that in Andhra Pradesh the police did not rely on Central Police organisations or any one else. They just tackled it themselves.

Now compare this with other states like Jharkhand, parts of Orissa etc. I feel the people there still have that "its all okay" kind of attitude to naxalism, and the same gets reflected in the attitude of the state police as well. Politicians too are living in the fantasy world of their own. If my understanding is correct, the police force of these states are generally not well trained, their performance is not constantly under scrutiny, their weapons are obsolete. And yes, may be corruption is prevalent here too with chances of getting caught at a bare minimum.

More than Govt. of India (Central Govt.) it is the respective State Govts which should get its act together and better train and equip their police forces and intelligence agencies.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 May 2009 15:53

While Naxalism must be prosecuted with the maximum force,we must remember that it is the symptom of the disease,not the disease itself,which is grinding poverty in the most backward regions of the country.N.Ram,avowed champagne socialist, was on telly a few days ago.He bemoaned the fact that the voting % had gone down compared with past elections and attributed this to the fact that many of the poorest of voters had given up on voting because the govts. of the day had done nothing to alleviate their poverty and suffering.Therefore,what was the purpose in voting? It is this total frustration that drives the poor into the Naxalites lap and also gets them sympathy from the peasants and tribals.The economic capitalist "trickle down" theory has not worked in India.While you have the glistening new "temples" of modern 21st century India,the IT campuses,what do you find in the rural areas? SEZs which have stolen the pesants and tribals land,or no change at all .No electricty,no water...nothing.

A prime example of a man with a vision who lost out is Chandrababu Naidu.Anyone who remembers Hyderabad before Naidu's magic wand transformed the city,will acknowledge that a modern miracle was achieved,that too in India,where discipline is a dirty word.He though neglected the rural areas and concentrated his efforts into making Hyderabad a world class city.What resulted?The people in the rest of the state saw what was done in the state capital and compared it with their plight elesewhere.The result,defeat for Naidu.The "Red Menace" thrives upon such inequality.This inequality has been one of the main reasons why regional parties have mushroomed and are further proliferating,based upon caste.Another case is that of PC's constituency in TNadu,wheer accoring to media reports,he is facing an uphill task because he totally neglected his constituency of which many areas allegedly lack basic infrastructural needs like water and electricity.

If India is not economically founded upon the health of the villages,where nasic needs must be provided along with job opportunities locally,the great ,green and white revolutions that made the country self sufficient in foodgrains,etc.,will be under severe threat.A massive movement of millions to the cities ins earch f jobs will stretch the infrastructure of the cities to breaking point and the cost of solving urban problems will cost 100 times more than far smaller cost of helping the villages and rural areas of the country stand on their own feet through local development.A peasant's full belly is the best defence against the spread of Naxalism,which until we have a govt. that truly cares for the poor Indian,will have to be defeated militarily as long as the Naxalites continue to bear arms.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 May 2009 16:01

vote % has not gone down wrt past LS elections AFAIK and do remember we are having a torrid summer in most parts of the country and the monsoons haven't yet made an entry to bring respite.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 May 2009 22:15

12 cops killed in Naxal ambush

Twelve policemen and a civilian were killed and seven others injured in a landmine blast triggered by Naxals at Risgaon village in Dhamtari district of Chhattisgarh.

"The incident took place when Naxals blew up a police vehicle carrying the jawans," Bastar IG A N Upadhyaya said.

The police party was on their way to Kanker district in Bastar region for a combing operation when they were attacked by the rebels, he said, adding that the injured security personnel were rushed to Raipur hospital by helicopter.

A police team has been sent to the spot. However, dense forests and tough terrain has blocked communication from the jawans at the blast site hindering the rescue operations, Raipur IG D M Awasthi said.

During the last one month more than 36 people were killed in Naxal attacks in Chhattisgarh.

In the first week of this month, 11 people including two CRPF jawans and five police officials were killed in a landmine blast triggered by the extremists in Dantewada district.

WTF is going on here? We are loosing policemen like flies in C'garh and Orissa...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 May 2009 21:00

X-posted...

dhu wrote: Following is most accurate description of Marxism that I've found. It was written in 1995.

S. R. Goel The missionary-colonial attack was reinforced by another attack - Marxism. Its source too was Europe and it was even more Eurocentric than regular Imperialism. It used radical slogans but its aims were reactionary. It taught that Europe was the centre and rest of the world its periphery - not by chance but by an inherent dialectics of History. Marx fully shared the contempt of British Imperialists for India. He said: "Indian society has no history at all, at least no known history. What we call its history, is but the history of succesive intruders." He also said that India neither knew freedom nor deserved it. To him the question was "not whether the English had a right to conquer India, but whether we are to prefer India conquered by the Briton." This also became the faith of his Indian pupils.

In India, Macaulayism prepared the ground for Marxism - early Marxists were recruited from Macaulayites. Marxism in turn gave Macaulayism a radical look and made it attractive for a whole new class. While Marxists served European Imperialism, they also fell in love with all old Imperialist invaders, particularly Muslim ones. M.N. Roy found the Arab Empire a "magnificient monument to the memory of Mohammad." While the Marxists found British Imperialism "progressive", they opposed the country's national struggle as reactionary. They learnt to work closely with Muslims both during and after Independence.