Internal Security Watch

[Arjun]

Dunno what fat plans the EJs are making for South Asia but they are in danger of losing EUrope and Canada faster than they can evangelize us SDRE heathens, seems like.

Looks like the reason they are salivating on India and China is precisely because of the anticipated losses in Europe.

Came across an interesting document, not sure how much of this can be taken to be gospel (!) but this is the Hindu equivalent of the youtube video you shared:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5221664/Threat-to-Hinduism

[Philip]

Chellaney: India is in peril. Obama is making it worse
brahma chellaney

One of the most striking things about the larger Asian strategic landscape is that India is wedged in an arc of failing or troubled states. This harsh reality is India’s most glaring weakness; its neighbourhood is so combustible as to impose a tyranny of geography. Today, Pakistan’s rapid Talebanisation tops India’s concerns. After all, the brunt of escalating terrorism from Pakistan will be borne by India, which already has become, in the words of ex-US official Ashley Tellis, ‘the sponge that protects us all’.

As Pakistan has begun to sink, top US intelligence and security officials have made a beeline to India for discussions, including the new CIA director Leon Panetta (who came to New Delhi on his first overseas visit), the FBI director Robert Mueller, the joint US chiefs of staff chairman Mike Mullen and the administration’s special envoy Richard Holbrooke. The fact that President Obama, in his first 100 days, has helped put together $15.7 billion in international aid for Islamabad shows that the United States will not allow Pakistan to become a failed state.

The real threat is of an Islamist takeover of Pakistan. Yet Obama’s strategy on Afghanistan and Pakistan (or ‘Af-Pak’ in Washingtonese) inspires little confidence. Throwing more money at Pakistan and keeping up the pretence that the badly splintered and weakened al-Qa’eda poses the main terrorist threat risks failure.

[negi]

Article on Indian Mujahideen in chindu

Indian Mujahideen born over tea and biscuits

In July, Sheikh received an e-mail summoning him to a meeting at the Tipu Sultan mosque in Kolkata’s Dharmatala area. There, Sheikh has told investigators, he met with ganglord Aftab Ansari, a Mafioso who is reputed to have discovered religion while sharing a prison cell with top jihadist operative Syed Omar Sheikh in New Delhi.

He also met with Ansari’s key lieutenant for jihadist operations, Asif Reza Khanwho, it turned out, had been the author of the e-mail summoning to the Kolkata meeting. Ansari offered to underwrite his journey into the jihad, just as he was doing for dozens of other angry young men.

Later that year, in September, 2001, Sheikh is alleged to have left for training at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Bahawalpur, Pakistan. His instructor, police say, was Mohammad Azam Cheema, the organisation’s key commander for operations directed at India.

Sheikh, the authorities allege, returned to India through Kathmandu after completing an advanced weapons and explosives course.

Many of those Sheikh trained, police say, were from Indian nationals, among them, his neighbour and fellow-regular at SIMI’s Cheeta Camp meetings (just opposite to BARC and IN base in Mankhurd ...locals even call the place 'chota pakistan'), Mohammad Ansar. Sheikh learned, in time, that two regular visitors at that study group, Qureshi and Riyaz Shahbandri, had recruited several new volunteers.

Volunteers had also arrived from Hyderabad for training in the wake of the Gujarat pogrom, among them Abdul Khwaja, who, using the alias Amjad, now heads a Lashkar-linked, Lahore-based cell operating against India.

By 2003, Sheikh was himself regularly despatching volunteers from the Azamgarh area for training. And by 2005, the networks that later took to calling themselves the Indian Mujahideen were ready to carry out their first bombings.

[Pranav]

Narendra Modi's speech in Ajmer, wherein he refers to an incident in 2005. Apparently there was a big meeting of 60 top Naxalite leaders, and the SFs got to know about it and surrounded the place. It appears that they were let off on the orders of Sonia Maino (alleged KGB mole of the past) and AP CM YSR Reddy. This has to be linked with the well-known Missionary-Maoist nexus.

The painful but inescapable conclusion is that this is a government of traitors, being run on behalf of foreign powers. If they have not already sabotaged the EVMs via their thug CEC Navin Chawla, we may have a chance to escape their clutches. Otherwise we're facing a long independence struggle ahead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqseVfwg6PA

[vsudhir]

OMG.

Pranav thats a scary prospect. Tks for posting! Merits wider dissemination.

As for apologists and sickular-neutrals who'll no doubt ruminate on their blawgs asking "So what? What did NDA do during its 6 yrs?", at least the NDA didn't sabotage police efforts to take naxal menace head on!

Am bloody angry onlee.

[Sumeet]

vsudhir,

that is only one incident. here is another lifeline given to Naxals because of UPA. Sorry buddy but your fear may come out to be true.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/memo- ... e/447772/0

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has in the past asserted that Naxalism was the single biggest internal security threat that India faced; but this fight has, essentially, been bequeathed to the government that takes office in May. Recall: when the entire Naxal leadership was surrounded in the Andhra forests, early on in the UPA government’s tenure, it was a call from New Delhi that saved them. Some states have been less cavalier; human rights activists may rightly demand that charges of excesses be investigated, but at least the Andhra Pradesh and Chhattisgarh governments have taken the threat seriously. Not so Naveen Patnaik’s Orissa. His government’s survival strategy is to sit back and ask for Central forces as a show of commitment — whether against hoodlums in Kandhamal or against Maoists elsewhere. The unprecedented circumstances of the Nalco attack, which involved 300 armed persons, indicate a failure of local intelligence that demands explanation.

While terrorism attacks India at its strongest (pluralism, democracy), Naxalites attack India at its weakest (inability to provide basic governance). But those who confuse sympathy for a cause with sympathy for its proponents, are wrong; India’s Naxalites are cold-blooded murderers who, like armed left-wing militias elsewhere, exploit poverty for what is often little more than grubby extortion money. We’ve seen the consequences of the Patil-Patnaik approach. It is hoped that the new Central and Orissa state governments that will take office a month from now act differently.

[sum]

In July, Sheikh received an e-mail summoning him to a meeting at the Tipu Sultan mosque in Kolkata’s Dharmatala area. There, Sheikh has told investigators, he met with ganglord Aftab Ansari, a Mafioso who is reputed to have discovered religion while sharing a prison cell with top jihadist operative Syed Omar Sheikh in New Delhi.

He also met with Ansari’s key lieutenant for jihadist operations, Asif Reza Khanwho, it turned out, had been the author of the e-mail summoning to the Kolkata meeting. Ansari offered to underwrite his journey into the jihad, just as he was doing for dozens of other angry young men.

Later that year, in September, 2001, Sheikh is alleged to have left for training at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Bahawalpur, Pakistan. His instructor, police say, was Mohammad Azam Cheema, the organisation’s key commander for operations directed at India.

Sheikh, the authorities allege, returned to India through Kathmandu after completing an advanced weapons and explosives course.

Basically, Swami smashes his own earlier theory that IM was formed due to the Gujarat riots since the timelines indicated are in 2001( a full year before the big bad hindus went on the rampage)

[yvijay]

Narendra Modi's speech in Ajmer, wherein he refers to an incident in 2005. Apparently there was a big meeting of 60 top Naxalite leaders, and the SFs got to know about it and surrounded the place. It appears that they were let off on the orders of Sonia Maino (alleged KGB mole of the past) and AP CM YSR Reddy. This has to be linked with the well-known Missionary-Maoist nexus.

I don't know about the 60 top leaders part, but definetly the top most guy 'ramkrishna' and other important leaders were surrounded. It was the communists and those people forum leaders who went banging the doors of the CM and HM not to kill them. I exactly don't recollect why they allowed it.
Regarding the Missionary-Maoist, this has never been issue in AP. If YSR was in cahoots with them, why has been maoists eliminated from AP? The top leaders of AP has been almost eliminated. You can accuse him as dynasty pyshcophant, factionist, corrupt leader but he did eliminate the maoists from AP which no other government before him did it.

[Aditya_V]

yvijay -> The first YSR had done after taking power was to declare a ceasfire with Maoists when CBN had them on the run and Surrounded in AP. This allowed them disperse to Chatisgarh and Orissa. Anyway the EJ game has been established in Andra with 19% conversion in the state. BJP can never get a foothold considering 60 out 100 vote - 30% of electorate vote against them. Further, coversion has been done among a class of people who regularly vote. So, no more use for Maoists in AP.

[ramana]

In July, Sheikh received an e-mail summoning him to a meeting at the Tipu Sultan mosque in Kolkata’s Dharmatala area. There, Sheikh has told investigators, he met with ganglord Aftab Ansari, a Mafioso who is reputed to have discovered religion while sharing a prison cell with top jihadist operative Syed Omar Sheikh in New Delhi.

He also met with Ansari’s key lieutenant for jihadist operations, Asif Reza Khanwho, it turned out, had been the author of the e-mail summoning to the Kolkata meeting. Ansari offered to underwrite his journey into the jihad, just as he was doing for dozens of other angry young men.

Later that year, in September, 2001, Sheikh is alleged to have left for training at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Bahawalpur, Pakistan. His instructor, police say, was Mohammad Azam Cheema, the organisation’s key commander for operations directed at India.

Sheikh, the authorities allege, returned to India through Kathmandu after completing an advanced weapons and explosives course.

Basically, Swami smashes his own earlier theory that IM was formed due to the Gujarat riots since the timelines indicated are in 2001( a full year before the big bad hindus went on the rampage)

So what is his credibility? Does he write stuff thats peddled to him or does he stand by his stories?

[Pranav]

yvijay -> The first YSR had done after taking power was to declare a ceasfire with Maoists when CBN had them on the run and Surrounded in AP. This allowed them disperse to Chatisgarh and Orissa. Anyway the EJ game has been established in Andra with 19% conversion in the state. BJP can never get a foothold considering 60 out 100 vote - 30% of electorate vote against them. Further, coversion has been done among a class of people who regularly vote. So, no more use for Maoists in AP.

I don't think its as high as 19% - but I agree that with a Kangress/Maoist/Missionary/CIA government running the state, there is no reason for the Maoists to attack AP.

[Aditya_V]

The no 19% has not given by VHP or BD or somthing like that, But at the All India Christian Congress meet held in AP in December 2008.

[Pranav]

The no 19% has not given by VHP or BD or somthing like that, But at the All India Christian Congress meet held in AP in December 2008.

As per census quoted on wikipedia it is 2% - if you can give a link for that 19% figure, that would be good.

[sanjaychoudhry]

As per census quoted on wikipedia it is 2% - if you can give a link for that 19% figure, that would be good.

Here is your link:

http://www.indiancatholic.in/news/story ... -elections

[Pranav]

As per census quoted on wikipedia it is 2% - if you can give a link for that 19% figure, that would be good.

Here is your link:

http://www.indiancatholic.in/news/story ... -elections

wow - even the quoted lower figure of 9% is amazingly high. Man, AP is in deep trouble.

If the BJP comes to power, it is time to declare an emergency. If the BJP does not come to power the prospects are bleak indeed.

[sum]

So what is his credibility? Does he write stuff thats peddled to him or does he stand by his stories?

From whatever i have read about him, he does stand by his stories though he is a true "Indian style secular/DIE" and never fails to mention the evil rightwing fascist hindu organizations in most of his articles on radical Islam(which are anyways based on IB provided scoops), however unrelated the Hindu orgs might be to the article in question.

[yvijay]

yvijay -> The first YSR had done after taking power was to declare a ceasfire with Maoists when CBN had them on the run and Surrounded in AP. This allowed them disperse to Chatisgarh and Orissa. Anyway the EJ game has been established in Andra with 19% conversion in the state. BJP can never get a foothold considering 60 out 100 vote - 30% of electorate vote against them. Further, coversion has been done among a class of people who regularly vote. So, no more use for Maoists in AP.

Aditya_V:Yes, YSR did indeed declared a cease fire and in fact it was on the promises in his election manifesto. It was not something that is done in secret. It is also not true that CBN surrounded the naxals and YSR allowed them to escape. Naxals were still effective when CBN was the CM. And the allegation that the peace process allowed them to escape to Chhattisgarh and Orissa is also not true. The above tidbit about the top naxals being surrounded in Nallamalla forests happened after the peace process has been broken down.
I have said this umpteenth time on this forum, that peace process allowed an opening for the greyhounds to get a foot hold in the Nallamalla forests, which was like a fortress for the naxals and where the top leadership used to stay and devise the strategies, and allowed them to eliminate the naxals from the AP.
I don’t think Christians are either 9% or 19% or they have enough vote bank to effect the election results. BJP problem is they don’t have effective leaders in Andhra or rayalseema region. It’s easy to blame the ineffectiveness of the BJP on the people and Christians. The places they have effective leadership they get elected. The biggest mistake BJP ever did was to have an alliance with the TDP. They were in upswing in 1999 and CBN effectively marginalized them. If Christians were that large percentage you would have seen ever body wooing them like they did for the Muslims.

[shyamd]

I have been waiting for this article for over a month! Finally its here.

Diaspora cash fed domestic jihad

Praveen Swami

Kerala computer engineer’s story casts light on Indian Mujahideen funding

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Nawaz’s journey into jihad began in SIMI’s study groups

India so far had little success in cracking down on terror financing

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HYDERABAD: Late last year, four Keralites training with a Lashkar-e-Taiba unit in the Kupwara mountains, along the Line of Control in northern Kashmir, were shot dead by security forces.

And since the September shootout, the police in Jammu and Kashmir, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala have been scrambling to unravel the threads that tied Indian Mujahideen groups in the south to each other and to the Lashkar.

But the investigations also show that the Indian Mujahideen was fed and watered by transnational financial networks: networks linked both to diasporic Islamists living in west Asia and Pakistan-based organisations like the Lashkar.

From the story of Ernakulam-born computer engineer Sarfaraz Nawaz, who was expelled by the Oman authorities earlier this year, investigators have been able to understand the relationship between domestic terror and diaspora cash.

SIMI background


Like so many Indian Mujahideen-linked figures, Nawaz’s journey into jihad began in the Students Islamic Movement of India’s study groups.

Nawaz began attending SIMI meetings in 1995, soon after he graduated from high school. He became an “Ikhwan” (arabic for brother...the MB networks also call members "Ikhwan") or full-time SIMI member within a year and by March 2000 was made a member of the now-proscribed Islamist organisation’s central committee.

Close ties

While in New Delhi, where he also served as the SIMI’s office secretary, Nawaz developed a close relationship with several key members of what would later become the organisation’s jihad faction, including Safdar Nagori, Yahya Kamakutty and Peedical Abdul Shibly.

When the SIMI was proscribed in 2001, Nawaz decided to move abroad. He first found work in a computer firm operating out of Ibra, in Oman (Its a small town an hour and a half outside the capital Muscat), and later joined the Ajman-based Ibn Sina Medical Centre, which was owned by the former Kerala SIMI president Abdul Ghafoor.

Later, other SIMI contacts helped him to find a job in Dubai. Finally, in July 2006 Nawaz moved back to Muscat and began working at the al-Noor Education Trust, which offered computer courses.

Newly married and prosperous, Nawaz appeared to live the kind of quiet life most in the Indian diaspora aspire to. But the Oman authorities now believe the appearance was intended to deceive.

Soon after returning to Muscat, the investigators say, Nawaz made contact with Abdul Aziz al-Hooti, a Muscat-based businessman with substantial interests in the automobile business and the Lashkar. Hooti, in turn, introduced Nawaz to a ranking Pakistani Lashkar operative, who is so far known only by the aliases Rehan and Wali.

Funds flow

Early in 2008, the police in Hyderabad and Bangalore believe, Nawaz and Rehan met in Dubai to finalise funding for two important “projects.”

In Hyderabad, fugitive Indian Mujahideen commander Tadiyantavide Nasir was preparing several Keralites to journey across the Line of Control to Lashkar training camps in Pakistan.

Safe house

Nasir used his position as an instructor at the city’s Jamia Arifiya Nooriya seminary to recruit volunteers. He set up a safe house in Madikere, near Coorg, for their basic indoctrination.

In August, 2008, Rehan allegedly provided the funds and contacts that led the first group of volunteers’ travel to Jammu and Kashmir. The Indian Mujahideen units also needed funding, Nawaz was told, to execute a series of bombings in Bangalore.

Rehan and Hooti, the Bangalore police say, asked Nawaz to travel to India for an on-site briefing about these plans. Both men were evidently impressed by what he found, for an estimated 2,500 Oman Rials was despatched to the Indian Mujahideen through a Kannur-based hawala dealer.

Later, the investigators say, Dhaka-based Lashkar operative Mubashir Shahid provided more money to secure Nasir’s escape into Bangladesh and to compensate the families of the men killed in Jammu and Kashmir.

Complex web

Police officers involved in the Nawaz investigation believe that several similar funding networks fed different elements of the Indian Mujahideen.

Indian Mujahideen co-founder Sadiq Sheikh, for example, lived in Dubai for several months with the help of ganglord Aftab Ansari and his lieutenant Amir Reza Khan. During his stay, Sheikh said in a statement to the Hyderabad Police, he discovered that key Indian Mujahideen commander Riyaz Ismail Shahbandri also visited the city to raise funds.

Sheikh never met with Shahbandri’s contacts, but it seems likely that Nawaz himself was in touch with several SIMI-linked figures who were engaged in fundraising for jihadist groups. Important among them was CAM Basheer (he was supposed to be in KSA), a fugitive SIMI leader, who is thought to be living in Sharjah (Sharqa will probably protect this guy) using fake identification.

Basheer, police sources say, visited Nawaz in Muscat at least once and carried funds intended to facilitate Nasir’s efforts to recruit jihadists in Kerala.

Maulana Abdul Bari, a Hyderabad cleric last sighted in Saudi Arabia, is also thought to have raised funds in the diaspora for the training of jihadist cadre recruited in Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra and Karnataka.

A costly failure

India has so far had little success in cracking down on terror financing. Nawaz’s story shows just how expensive this failure has been and how costly it could, yet, prove.

Al Hooti is a baluchi name (clan/tribe name). Part of the big Al Balushi gang who came to fight for Oman in the 70's. So the individual is of paki/baluchi origin, but born in Oman.

[Pranav]

I have said this umpteenth time on this forum, that peace process allowed an opening for the greyhounds to get a foot hold in the Nallamalla forests, which was like a fortress for the naxals and where the top leadership used to stay and devise the strategies, and allowed them to eliminate the naxals from the AP.

OK, we should try to be accurate. Is there any data about Naxal-greyhound encounters in the YSR era? How many Naxals have been eliminated after CBN left?

I don’t think Christians are either 9% or 19% or they have enough vote bank to effect the election results. BJP problem is they don’t have effective leaders in Andhra or rayalseema region. It’s easy to blame the ineffectiveness of the BJP on the people and Christians. The places they have effective leadership they get elected. The biggest mistake BJP ever did was to have an alliance with the TDP. They were in upswing in 1999 and CBN effectively marginalized them. If Christians were that large percentage you would have seen ever body wooing them like they did for the Muslims.

19% is what the Catholics are claiming. And we do know that the tax-payer in Andhra is being looted for sponsoring junkets to Jerusalem, like the Haj trips for Muslims.

[sum]

A costly failure

India has so far had little success in cracking down on terror financing. Nawaz’s story shows just how expensive this failure has been and how costly it could, yet, prove.

Scary warning straight from the IB....

[Aditya_V]

yvijay-> I don’t think Christians are either 9% or 19% or they have enough vote bank to effect the election results. BJP problem is they don’t have effective leaders in Andhra or rayalseema region. It’s easy to blame the ineffectiveness of the BJP on the people and Christians. The places they have effective leadership they get elected. The biggest mistake BJP ever did was to have an alliance with the TDP. They were in upswing in 1999 and CBN effectively marginalized them. If Christians were that large percentage you would have seen ever body wooing them like they did for the Muslims.

The claims of 19% are based on Christians orgs and if you go to places like Guntur etc you can clrearly see the influence. Regarding SOPS all 3 parties and even communists have promised SOPS to CHristians. Naidu had to tie up with KA Paul in order to miss out on this critical vote bank. With minorities 19%+9%muslims, it is the reason none of the 3 top contenders have repeated denied they would have anything to BJP.

In fact TDP and PRP rallies it has been promised that the current ban on conversion in the Tirmala hills and in and around temples is to be removed.

Regardign YSR it is pretty confusing, he goes to Tirupati, his son gets to the preists in Tirumala to do special Yagnas for him. Yet he goes public seminars Held by his son in law where it is stated anything else other than what is in the bible is totally false.

[negi]

Regardign YSR it is pretty confusing, he goes to Tirupati, his son gets to the preists in Tirumala to do special Yagnas for him. Yet he goes public seminars Held by his son in law where it is stated anything else other than what is in the bible is totally false.

No it is not; for abrahamic faiths what is scribbled in the book is GOD's will so while addressing them YSR has no choice but to say what they wish to hear ; the very acknowledgment of Hindus as a separate faith would mean contradicting what is written in the BIBLE (i.e. non believers would go to hell) .

[Keshav]

Regardign YSR it is pretty confusing, he goes to Tirupati, his son gets to the preists in Tirumala to do special Yagnas for him. Yet he goes public seminars Held by his son in law where it is stated anything else other than what is in the bible is totally false.

No it is not; for abrahamic faiths what is scribbled in the book is GOD's will so while addressing them YSR has no choice but to say what they wish to hear ; the very acknowledgment of Hindus as a separate faith would mean contradicting what is written in the BIBLE (i.e. non believers would go to hell) .

I don't think true believers are bothered by what the rest of us call "logic".

[yvijay]

OK, we should try to be accurate. Is there any data about Naxal-greyhound encounters in the YSR era? How many Naxals have been eliminated after CBN left?

Pranav:All the info I got is form gleaning eenadu and vaartha news papers. And it is common knowledge that Naxals are mostly eliminated from AP. There are no naxal related incidents from couple of years, except the most unfortunate incident of drowning of greyhounds in Orissa when attacked by the Maoists.

The claims of 19% are based on Christians orgs and if you go to places like Guntur etc you can clrearly see the influence. Regarding SOPS all 3 parties and even communists have promised SOPS to CHristians. Naidu had to tie up with KA Paul in order to miss out on this critical vote bank. With minorities 19%+9%muslims, it is the reason none of the 3 top contenders have repeated denied they would have anything to BJP.

In fact TDP and PRP rallies it has been promised that the current ban on conversion in the Tirmala hills and in and around temples is to be removed.

Aditya_V:If there are so many Christians, why don’t we see proportionate number of candidates? Can you tell me the constituencies where they can effect the election outcome? CBN tied up with nutty KA Paul to get back at the YSR. Infact KA Paul made those allegations against YSR and Sonia after funds for his peace mission were banned.
Regarding the conversion in Tirumala hills, can you get me a link where they said this thing? I have been following the papers but haven’t seen this thing.

[Ananth]

Regarding the Missionary-Maoist, this has never been issue in AP. If YSR was in cahoots with them, why has been maoists eliminated from AP? The top leaders of AP has been almost eliminated. You can accuse him as dynasty pyshcophant, factionist, corrupt leader but he did eliminate the maoists from AP which no other government before him did it.

Are you sure about that? Then why is it that whenever CRPF/Nagas deployed in CG caught Naxals they invaraibly turned out to be Annas from Telengana? The most reasonable "hypothesis" is that 2004-2005 lull in AP government's action against PWG allowed the naxals to decamp with all their attended infrastructure to Bijapur and other districts in DK areas of southern CG. The charitable explanation is 2005 onwards Greyhounds cleaned up the remaining support structures of PWG but the naxals had already planted their feet securely in CG. Note also the most violent events in CG happened during 2003 (Naxals already had their infra) to 2005 with 2006-2008 being the worst. While corresponding period in Telangana was relatively peaceful.

Naxals took excellent advantage of lack of preparedness of CG, a byproduct of distance from Bhopal. CG is building slowly and painfully the requisite jungle warfare battalions of state police just like it is slowly disbanding SJ and absorbing it into state police. Still a long way to go given the terrain and social/economic backwardness of the area.

[yvijay]

^I said leaders of AP which means state secretaries, platoon leaders and those guys. When Naxals joined forces with the CPI Maoists from north some of the leaders from AP went to the central committee (whose base is in DK)and these are the ‘annas’ you hear from the CRPF /Nagas. These include Ramakrishna, Ganapathi among others.
The reasonable explanation would be that naxals feeling the heat from AP police and greyhounds shifted their HQ’s from north telangana to nallamalla forests and then to the DK and the AOB. How it is the fault of the AP police or the YSR I’m not able to get it. They probably felt that DK is safer for them and would have shifted. Why do they have to shift, if they have the favorable govt in AP? Why didn’t the govt continue prolonging the talks and instead after the talks broke down went after the naxals?

[Ananth]

^I said leaders of AP which means state secretaries, platoon leaders and those guys. When Naxals joined forces with the CPI Maoists from north some of the leaders from AP went to the central committee (whose base is in DK)and these are the ‘annas’ you hear from the CRPF /Nagas. These include Ramakrishna, Ganapathi among others.
The reasonable explanation would be that naxals feeling the heat from AP police and greyhounds shifted their HQ’s from north telangana to nallamalla forests and then to the DK and the AOB. How it is the fault of the AP police or the YSR I’m not able to get it. They probably felt that DK is safer for them and would have shifted. Why do they have to shift, if they have the favorable govt in AP? Why didn’t the govt continue prolonging the talks and instead after the talks broke down went after the naxals?

The fault of YSR is under the hypothesis that, naxals used the lull to shift their infrastructure to CG/AOB, which would not have been possible if the pressure might have been mounted. They did *not* move after talks broke down, they had already shifted and started shafting CG. Secondly, Andhra's decision was taken locally without thinking about the repurcussions in the boundary states. But one can turn around and say that atleast in Andhra the negative feedback loop of naxals -> lack of development -> fertile ground for naxals, has been broken. This peaceful period can use utilized to snuff out the social and political oxygen for them.

One positive side effect of this is that states which were not cooperating earlier on naxal issue or were not able to cooperate (like CG due to lack of resources), were now running to the center for coordinated action. I remember the frustration AP police and Greyhounds had whenever naxals moved into jurisdiction of another state and they could not operate due to lack of cooperation from neighboring states. This was specially true between AP/MH (no refs just recollection of reports in mid to late 90s). Now the flip side of that equation is one state can transfer their problem to a non cooperative neighbor and starting a migrain there. All the naxal affected states are cooperating and coordinating with each other.

[vsudhir]

‘Afzal will be hanged when his turn comes’

Congress leader Rahul Gandhi says the Parliament attack accused, Afzal Guru, is 22nd on the list (those who are to be hanged for various crimes).

[sum]

How come the list is stuck at 22 from the last 5 years?

[sivabala]

How come the list is stuck at 22 from the last 5 years?

Perhaps..., this is what they call as "catch 22"

[Sachin]

‘Afzal will be hanged when his turn comes’

Gents, do correct me if I am wrong here.. . I don't think there is any precedence/rule in which death sentences are carried out in a specific order. As and when the formalities are all done, the executions just take place. I don't think there is a "queue" system in place for hangings. Looks like a convenient tactic to keep this scum Afzal alive.

[sum]

Absolutely...
It is 400% a matter of will only..
Notice how all niceties of the law were set aside when Maqbool Butt was hanged as retaliation of our diplomat's murder in London...

[KSKumar]

OK, we should try to be accurate. Is there any data about Naxal-greyhound encounters in the YSR era? How many Naxals have been eliminated after CBN left?

Pranav:All the info I got is form gleaning eenadu and vaartha news papers. And it is common knowledge that Naxals are mostly eliminated from AP. There are no naxal related incidents from couple of years, except the most unfortunate incident of drowning of greyhounds in Orissa when attacked by the Maoists.

The claims of 19% are based on Christians orgs and if you go to places like Guntur etc you can clrearly see the influence. Regarding SOPS all 3 parties and even communists have promised SOPS to CHristians. Naidu had to tie up with KA Paul in order to miss out on this critical vote bank. With minorities 19%+9%muslims, it is the reason none of the 3 top contenders have repeated denied they would have anything to BJP.

In fact TDP and PRP rallies it has been promised that the current ban on conversion in the Tirmala hills and in and around temples is to be removed.

Aditya_V:If there are so many Christians, why don’t we see proportionate number of candidates? Can you tell me the constituencies where they can effect the election outcome? CBN tied up with nutty KA Paul to get back at the YSR. Infact KA Paul made those allegations against YSR and Sonia after funds for his peace mission were banned.
Regarding the conversion in Tirumala hills, can you get me a link where they said this thing? I have been following the papers but haven’t seen this thing.

Naxals are done for in AP for now. Their leadership has been ruthlessly eliminated and cadres decimated. YSR (or someone in his administration) was far more chankian than CBN. The ploy of talks worked perfectly to lure the top leadership from their forest hideouts when they traveled to Hyderabad for the talks. The overground workers were jubiliant and the extortion started in earnest again. All this releveled the naxal networks, funding channels and arms and cash dumps for easy elimination by the Police/Greyhounds.

Naxals shifting to Chattisgarh due to the ceasefire/talks offered by YSR is a complete canard. Why would naxals vacate the mother lode of funding/arms in AP and go for the lean pickings and harsh life in Chattisgarh? If they did not migrate during the crackdown by AP in 2005, they would have been wiped out. Hence the move to Chattigarh.

Now, they are forced to rely on the foot soldiers from Jharkhand and Chattisgarh. Local recruitment is not even a trickle and they are in serious danger of being infiltrated by Police informers in AP if they dare to recruit in AP.

In August 2006, I had a running debate with Anand K on this very issue. He was confident that AP was backware/feudal and infested with caste hatred and was a fertile ground for naxals. He said they would be back within a year.

Well, it is nearly 3 years since then. And the naxal b@@@rds are still scarce on the ground in AP.

The credit for this goes to YSR.

CBN may have launched an extensive crackdown. But, it was ineffective and he himself was targetted in an assassination attempt at the foothills of Tirupathi in Dec'2003.

YSR (or his advisors) were more intelligent and found a neat way of decapitating the naxals.

[KSKumar]

With regard to EJs in AP multiplying due to YSR....

It is no more or less than elsewhere in the country. YSR's religious identity seems to be more eclectic. His brother-in-law, who passed away in the recent past, was cremated. I can dig out the news item if someone needs it.

He and his son seem to make plenty of trips to Tirumala. Also, his brother's daughter has married actor Mohan Babu's son. If anyone knows Mohan Babu, he seems to be a staunch Hindu. His Ayyappa deeksha and trips to Sabarimala are well known.

All in all, YSR does not come across as being very fanatical about this religion. His closest political advisor (KVP Ramachandra Rao) is a Hindu. No EJ influence there.

The overt Christian symbols in AP have always been prominent. You will find prayer halls/churches everywhere (especially along the highways). But, the overall christianization project does not seem to be going too well, what with the recent economic boom and bountiful monsoons having palpable effect on the incidence of poverty.

I think there is a certain amount of deference to his Christian supremo at Delhi. Case in point is the naming of HIAL after Rajiv Gandhi and a host of Rajiv & Indira named schemes.

This has effectively ensured that his detractors and dissidents within the Congress have found no reception at Delhi. Plenty of attempts made, with absolutely no impact on him.

This deference is misinterpreted and read with Congress supremo's alleged EJ character.

He may be corrupt, but seems to be Indic enough not to be tarred with brush of EJism. Plus, he also seems to have put a lid on the factional violence in Rayalseema (after the spurt in 2004 and early 2005).

I post infrequently and hence my posting history is not known. If my posts are tracked back, you will find that I have admired CBN.

So, do not attack me as a Congress/Sonia/YSR fan (if anyone bothers to respond, that is).

P.S. My posts have been drastically pruned. I made an inane post once and had the satisfaction of seeing posting count cross 100 and my status to BRFite. Alas, it was all too fleeting.

[Dilbu]

[tripathi]

7/11 blast accused freed of charges

In a setback to the Mumbai crime branch, the MCOCA court has cleared Indian Mujahideen founder Sadiq Shaikh of any involvement in the 7/11 train blast case in Mumbai.

Shaikh was arrested last year and charged with a series of blasts in the country including the Delhi and Ajmer blasts. The Mumbai crime branch had also charged him with the train blasts.

This contradicted the investigations of the anti-terror squad.

The ATS filed an application in the MCOCA court, claiming that Shaikh was not involved in the train blasts, based on a lie detector test and statements of witnesses. But the MCOCA court has now discharged him, claiming there was not enough evidence against him.

However, Shaikh remains a key accused in the other blast cases linked to the Indian Mujahideen.

[sum]

The ATS filed an application in the MCOCA court, claiming that Shaikh was not involved in the train blasts, based on a lie detector test and statements of witnesses. But the MCOCA court has now discharged him, claiming there was not enough evidence against him.

So, finally who bombed the trains on 7/11? Did they blow up by themselves like a certain train in Godhra?

First, the Congress claims that 4-5 Pakis executed the blasts, then changes tack and says the Indian IM members did it and now cannot even prove it?

[ramana]

You need to blame the politcisation of the Police. There is an immediate need to show some signs of govt action in apprehending the perpetrators to prevent political fallout- govt might be blamed, riots might break out etc., etc.
So police apprehends their usual suspects from known list and appears to be efficient. The public is mollified and crowds go back to lurk mode. Then the suspects are released as charges are unproven in court. This is the real modus operandi of teh Indian govt.

[sum]

X-post:

12 cops killed in Naxal ambush

Twelve policemen and a civilian were killed and seven others injured in a landmine blast triggered by Naxals at Risgaon village in Dhamtari district of Chhattisgarh.

"The incident took place when Naxals blew up a police vehicle carrying the jawans," Bastar IG A N Upadhyaya said.

The police party was on their way to Kanker district in Bastar region for a combing operation when they were attacked by the rebels, he said, adding that the injured security personnel were rushed to Raipur hospital by helicopter.

A police team has been sent to the spot. However, dense forests and tough terrain has blocked communication from the jawans at the blast site hindering the rescue operations, Raipur IG D M Awasthi said.

During the last one month more than 36 people were killed in Naxal attacks in Chhattisgarh.

In the first week of this month, 11 people including two CRPF jawans and five police officials were killed in a landmine blast triggered by the extremists in Dantewada district.

WTF is going on here? We are loosing policemen like flies in C'garh and Orissa...

[Ananth]

Naxals shifting to Chattisgarh due to the ceasefire/talks offered by YSR is a complete canard. Why would naxals vacate the mother lode of funding/arms in AP and go for the lean pickings and harsh life in Chattisgarh? If they did not migrate during the crackdown by AP in 2005, they would have been wiped out. Hence the move to Chattigarh.

My information about naxals shifting to CG comes from vernacular newspapers in Dhamtari, Kanker and other local information. At that time those news reports were dismissed as speculation. But the intensity of naxal attacks especially during 2005-2008 in southern CG added weight to those reports. By 2005 Dec. Nagas had already started operating in CG. I also vaguely remember (sorry no ref right now), CG gov. protesting the AP ceasefire move because they had very weak admin structures in southern CG and citing the increased presence of naxals.

This is from frontline, chindu's pub so take it FWIW http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2121/ ... 903300.htm :

Far from being regarded as a model for others, the peace talks in Andhra Pradesh came in for rather strong criticism from some States, especially neighbouring Chhattisgarh. Brij Mohan Agarwal the Home Minister of Chhattisgarh, said that naxalites had stepped up violence in his State since the commencement of the dialogue in Andhra Pradesh.

Uttar Pradesh too voiced its opposition to the idea of holding peace talks in isolation

[..]

While States such as Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand oppose the Andhra Pradesh government's approach to the problem fearing a spillover effect on them, West Bengal's approach is totally different.

Another report: http://naxalwatch.blogspot.com/2005/06/ ... d-out.html

According to sources, DGPs of these states, in their reports, pointed out the sudden spurt in Naxalite activities in their states after the Andhra Pradesh government initiated the dialogue process with CPI (Maoist) and Janasakti groups.

But there is also a statement supporting your view:

However, Andhra Pradesh police was of the view that when the state government was holding talks with the Naxalites, the extremists continued to be active in AP. Only after the talks process failed and the police intensified its operations, they have crossed the state borders and entered Maharashtra, Chattisgarh and Orissa.

Utilizing peace talks to mine overground and underground networks is not new. Further this was not the first instance of peace talks, CBN also held peace talks with them (pg 5):
link

Peace talks were held between the People's War Group and the state government of
Andhra Pradesh during June-July 2002 at the initiative of Committee of Concerned
Citizens. Three rounds of talks were held but there was no agreement on the substantive
issues.

Peace talks were again held from October 15 to 18, 2004 at Hyderabad. The Naxals
presented an 11-point charter of demands. The most important point related to land
reforms. Again, there could be no agreement.

So then why did AP police succeed? AP police's tactics need a wider dissemination if it is unqualified success. On the flip side, is the success just offloading AP's problems to other states? One cannot deny that decrease in violence in AP there was a commensurate increase in violence especially in CG.