Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2009 10:24

Attorney general of Pakistan to argue for continued detention of Hafiz Sayeed

Looks like Hafeez Sayeed will be released soon.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2009 10:28

Injured TSPA soldiers in awe of Taliban

“They used to attack early in the morning or after dark. They would always go for an ambush,” said Lieutenant Zaigham, injured in a battle with the Taliban and lying in a hospital.

He and fellow soldiers spoke of intense battles against the heavily-armed Taliban, who put up stiff resistance and are often able to outflank the well-equipped and motivated soldiers.

“There was strong resistance during the entire journey but we managed to clear the area. They buried mines and planted improvised explosive devices every 50 metres,” he said. “There were checkpoints, bases and training centres in the mountains. We were clearing and destroying all this.”

“They positioned snipers in holes made out of the walls of houses. They used civilians as human shields. They used to attack from houses and roofs. They are well equipped, they have mortars. They have rockets, sniper rifles and every type of sophisticated weapons,”

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 May 2009 12:30

Paki "college" selling fake diplomas to get visas.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 338235.ece

'Approved' college sells diplomas to help foreign students stay in UK
Andrew Norfolk
Visa curbs still being flouted | Route to riches | Comment: Ed Husain

A college accredited by a government-approved body as a “high-quality institution” has been selling diplomas to enable foreign students to extend their stay in Britain.

An investigation by The Times has revealed that the Pakistani-run college has 1,200 international students on its rolls, despite claiming to have only 150. King’s College of Management, in Manchester, has offered places to a further 1,575 foreigners.

It kept a hidden list of 207 people who were sold diplomas that allowed them to extend their stay in this country. The Times has also obtained a secret video recording, which reveals how the college faked attendance records to fool the immigration authorities.

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The revelations follow The Times’s exposure of sham colleges yesterday. Manchester College of Professional Studies, which gave places to eight of the students arrested in April for suspected involvement in an al-Qaeda terror plot, closed last summer.

King’s is not only still in business but has been recognised by a government-approved body, the Accreditation Service for International Colleges, as a “high quality institution”.

Despite this, The Times has discovered that individuals working at the college are under investigation by the UK Border Agency for allegedly “assisting students to gain status by deception”.

King’s has links with another ten colleges in Manchester, Bradford and London that have been investigated by The Times. All were established in the past five years and were run by young Pakistanis who came to this country on student visas.

They exploited a loophole in Britain’s immigration controls to fuel a sharp rise in the number of Pakistanis who have been given leave to study in Britain. Records show that two of the terror suspects enrolled at King’s after leaving Manchester College of Professional Studies.

They were among 1,178 foreign students, most of them Pakistanis, who came to King’s over a 15-month period from October 2007 and were — at least on paper — enrolled at the college to study for a range of certificates and diplomas.

Those still overseas but already offered places at King’s include 906 Pakistanis, 535 Nigerians and applicants from Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan and Algeria. The college, which is based in the centre of Manchester, has a more respectable appearance than Manchester College of Professional Studies. It teaches a limited range of courses to a minority — at most 200 — of the students it enrols.

For many, however, a place at King’s is merely a licence to come to Britain, where they look for full-time work.

The Times has a secret recording, made last week, in which a woman confides that she visited King’s last autumn to seek the college’s help in gaining a student visa for her nephew to enter Britain.

She explains that a man at the college told her that for a payment of £1,000, which was duly made, he would take care of the entire visa application process, which was subsequently successful.

When she took her nephew to enrol at the college last October after his arrival in Britain, she says that the same man told her: “Okay, I’ll get him a national insurance number.

“He can work from now for one year and at the end of the year he’ll get a certificate to say he’s been attending, even though he’s not attending.” Her 18-year-old nephew, she confirmed, did not attend a single lesson in Manchester, yet he is still listed on the college database as an enrolled student.

King’s is owned by Farah Anjum, a Pakistani businesswoman, but its driving force was Tahir Siddique, a 29-year-old Pakistani who came to Britain on a student visa. He was employed at Manchester College of Professional Studies and was involved in many of its visa scams before being recruited to run the new college.

Tahir Siddique left King’s last autumn to run Yorkshire College Manchester, which changed its name to Queens College International recently. The Times has learnt that King’s is currently under investigation by the UK Border Agency, which mounted a raid on its warren of offices and classrooms earlier this year, removing a haul of documents and computers.

The search warrant named Tahir Siddique in connection with an investigation into those who were “assisting students to gain status by deception”. Dr Anjum told The Times yesterday that the college’s enrolment register was not the same as its list of active students.

“When they walk into your college, you enrol them,” she said, claiming that the college had subsequently reported hundreds of its enrolled student to the UK Border Agency for failing to attend lessons. King’s kept all their names on its enrolment register, she explained, in case any of them later came back to resume their studies.

Dr Anjum said that as many as 800 students had been reported for nonattendance. The Times understands that the Home Office only has evidence of 60 King’s College of Management students being reported.

The Home Office confirmed last night that the UK Border Agency is making inquiries into a number of colleges as part of a continuing investigation into the alleged use of deception to facilitate the entry into the UK of foreign nationals. Phil Woolas, the Immigration Minister, said that allegations of dubious practices at colleges “highlights exactly why I have brought forward changes which crackdown on abuse of the student route into the UK.

“The UK Border Agency is systematically vetting colleges to clamp down on abuse of the rules. Before we tightened controls, around 4,000 UK institutions were bringing in international students. This currently stands at around 1,500.

“We will act swiftly where there is credible evidence of organised abuse of the immigration system by any college — whether registered as a sponsor or not.” Opposition MPs and immigration experts yesterday expressed their astonishment that Britain’s recently reformed student visa system remained “riddled with holes”.

Sir Andrew Green, the chairman of Migrationwatch UK, an independent think-tank, and a former British Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, said: “It is astounding that these scams were allowed to take place under the nose of the Home Office for year after year.

“What we need now is a complete reappraisal of travel to and from Pakistan and Britain, especially as conditions there deteriorate. It is now absolutely clear that greater resources are needed for effective checks on colleges in Britain.

“The minister [Mr Woolas] himself admitted that there are gaping holes in the immigration system, but even he must be astonished at the scale of this chaos.”

Chris Grayling, the Shadow Home Secretary, said: “There are still big questions about the way visas are granted to students from abroad, not just from Pakistan. The system ought to be tightened up considerably, it is riddled with holes. There are still adverts in Pakistan which promote ways for people to travel quickly and easily to the UK.”

The Home Office — specifically the Border Agency — is understood only to investigate individuals who have been named by intelligence agencies. There are no comprehensive audits of students already in the country.

All but two of the ten students arrested last month in Manchester and Liverpool over an alleged al-Qaeda bomb plot were enrolled on the books of one Manchester college.

A UK Border Agency spokesman said: “We are making life tougher than ever for those who try to stay in the UK illegally. The system in place to deal with students coming to the UK from abroad is more robust than ever before. Intelligence-led operations are conducted every day of the week across the country to detect and remove those people who have breached immigration laws. Since 2008 we have been issuing foreign students with ID cards and under e-Borders the majority of the foreign students will be tracked into and out of the country by December 2010.Additional reporting by Suzy Jagger

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2009 13:25

ISI's approach towards India must change: Mullen

"Pakistan created the ISI and its strategic approach has been to foment towards India, foment towards Afghanistan and in their insecurity in that regard, the ISI has a mission," Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen said.

Now that's bad English. The verb 'foment' is a transitive verb and needs an object. Foment what ? Foment trouble or terror or violence or instability or fear or all of these as Pakistan does etc. There is nothing like 'foment towards India'. This is classic obfuscation. Mullen is avoiding stating the obvious.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 May 2009 14:05

^^^
Terrorism is the word you missed Mr. Mullen. TERRORISM.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 May 2009 16:02

Sanjay M wrote:
Gerard wrote:Pakistanis bring their unique culture and way of life to Greece

Muslims clash in Greece after ‘Quran incident’

Greek police on Thursday used tear gas during clashes with hundreds of Muslim immigrants protesting in Athens over reports that an officer had torn up a copy of the holy Quran during a routine check the day before.

After word spread of the alleged incident, the local Muslim immigrant community, mainly from Afghanistan and Pakistan, organised Thursday’s protest.
I propose a new rule that Muslims produce 4 witnesses before alleging Koran burning, or else face charges of incitement.

The four witnesses should be Kafir, as Muslim witnesses could be partisan!

adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 22 May 2009 16:11

Continuation of the earlier article on AlQ seeking a new alliance. The reporter has allegedly (I love this word) done an interview with some unnamed "top ideologue". The story is very interesting, if true:

Al-Qaeda keeps its eyes on Afghanistan

An al-Qaeda-linked cell led by veteran Kashmiri guerrilla commander {note the terminology - he is not a warlord or a terrorist } Ilyas Kashmiri had completed all plans for the assassination of Pakistan's chief of army staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kiani, in 2008, but when the matter was sent to the top al-Qaeda hierarchy for approval, it immediately ordered the plan to be shelved.

Al-Qaeda, the ideologue said, felt at the time that had the assassination attempt been carried out, Pakistan would have been turned into a battle ground between the Pakistani security forces and militants - and the chief beneficiary would have been India and the United States.

Al-Qaeda repeated that its goal was to make the Pakistani security forces neutral in the "war on terror". The overall object is to win the war in Afghanistan. To this end, al-Qaeda will continue to engage the security forces in the Swat area.

The simple reason is that al-Qaeda fears that the military, under US pressure, has plans in place to move into North and South Waziristan, where al-Qaeda and the Taliban have key resources vital to their struggle in Afghanistan. So it is better to keep the military pinned down in Swat.

Question: has the meaning of top AlQ hierarchy changed, or is the ISI not under the control of their CoAS? It raises a few interesting questions about what exactly was going on - some kind of show of how much is being risked to support the war on terror, maybe.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2009 17:09

From the above,

The simple reason is that al-Qaeda fears that the military, under US pressure, has plans in place to move into North and South Waziristan, where al-Qaeda and the Taliban have key resources vital to their struggle in Afghanistan. So it is better to keep the military pinned down in Swat.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 May 2009 17:36

US getting cold feet!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ma ... n-pakistan

US troop surge in Afghanistan 'could push Taliban into Pakistan'Joint chiefs of staff chairman concedes risk but tells US Senate that troop increase is the right move

Funny world.Decades ago,the Soviet Union intervened (to use a more polite word) in Afghanistan at the invitation of the then govt. to help it deal with the CIA organised militant attacks against it.This sparked off a large exodus of refugees into Pak from Afghanistan,which allowed Gen.Zia to say that Pak was a "frontline state" in the Cold War.Now Pak once again is tragicomically becoming a "frontline state" this time in the "War on Terror" or the "War on the Taliban".The difference is that this time round,Pak is being "invaded" by the Taliban just as the Soviets did! Once more the Yanquis and their sidekicks are girding up their loins to do battle and as they did in the past,will run away one day to leave Pak to pick up the pieces.This time though,it looks like Pak will be in pieces!

adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 22 May 2009 17:44

SSridhar sir: right, that seems to be the reasoning to keeping the military tied in Swat. I still don't understand the plan to assassinate Kiyani. Even the most deluded jihadi would not risk the response on a rough plan that might well have failed, particularly since the person they were trying to kill is quite capable of working out a deal where they remain safe.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 22 May 2009 17:48

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05152 ... ript1.html

Juan Cole and Shahan Mufti discuss the Pakistan crisis on Bill Moyers Journal, PBS

Juan Cole teaches history at the University of Michigan. His "Informed Comment" blog at juancole.com has become a go to destination for anyone interested in the politics of Islam. The author of several books, this is his latest, "Engaging the Muslim World."

Shahan Mufti recently returned from a six month tour covering Pakistan's ongoing political crisis. He reports for globalpost.com, the new international news website. A Pakistani American, Shahan also has written about Pakistan for "The Christian Science Monitor" and "The Boston Globe" as well as many other print and broadcast news outlets.

Some excerpts :-

JUAN COLE: The Pakistani military is a tank, you know, traditional, almost central European kind of military. It was formed to fight India...

SHAHAN MUFTI:or the Pakistani security establishment, and my conversation with a lot of people in this security establishment, the Taliban, and the situation in Afghanistan, is about India...

BILL MOYERS: Karzai has made India his most important trading partner, right?... And this has to bother Pakistanis...

SHAHAN MUFTI: President Obama said that, in November..all of a sudden, for the new President-Elect to come out and point out this piece of land between India and Pakistan as the key to solving the Afghanistan issue, was something that made one think about the issue ..........

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 May 2009 20:13

adityaS wrote:SSridhar sir: right, that seems to be the reasoning to keeping the military tied in Swat. I still don't understand the plan to assassinate Kiyani. Even the most deluded jihadi would not risk the response on a rough plan that might well have failed, particularly since the person they were trying to kill is quite capable of working out a deal where they remain safe.

Its to bring about chaos in which they can emerge victorius Allah willing.

If you read James Bond stories, the SMERSH gets disbanded and a new supranational enitity wiht membership from all disgruntled countries takes over. I think Al Q is becoming like that, in that it has elements of fundoos inside and outside the establishment.
So apply organization theroy to this and see what comes up.

The chaos is because right now its in flux and they are on the run. If there is disorder on other side then who knows what the future unfolds.

If Kiyani gets his dates then the fundoo segement can seize power and pretend to be statist and mainstream. This way then control the maal and get more of green kind from massa.

So dont put it past them.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2009 20:15

IED Mubarak, Peshawar: 6 dead

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 May 2009 20:19

SSridhar, Its IED Mubarak and not Eid Mubarak!

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 22 May 2009 20:33

If Kyani cannot uphold the tactical objectives of the ISI and the Talebs, why should he be kept at the crucial post and not eliminated to get someone more efficient? The conflict in Swat is partly an internal power struggle, where each side of the Talebjabi complex - the PA and the Taleb proper are trying wrest leadership. The PA is acting against the faction it believes is most resistant to its control over the "irregulars". So the opposing camp will try to eliminate obvious leadership in PA to gain control of the rest of PA.

However, the general plan could still be part of showing suifficient sops that the Obama admin can show to US public to justify the "zazyia" to TSP, and therefore go for a protracted seemingly sincere military conforntation. But longer term, it could simply be a matter of appearing to chase the irregulars up north and push them into eastern AFG, and POK against AFG gov and Indian Kashmir. The regulars will be ready at hand to lend all support since they had been chasing the "irregulars" anyway. Before that, anything that happens up from the north agains AFG or Kashmir, under irregulars, cannot be a responsibility of PA or TSP.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 May 2009 21:33

The whole war taking place in Pakistan today is between Jihadi factions for primacy.

Painting the war as Pakistani Army going against Taliban, challengers of government writ, GWOT, etc. etc. is all a supertanker full of BS.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 May 2009 21:46

RajeshA wrote:The whole war taking place in Pakistan today is between Jihadi factions for primacy.

Painting the war as Pakistani Army going against Taliban, challengers of government writ, GWOT, etc. etc. is all a supertanker full of BS.

Correct, And the US doesnt have the strength to take the fight into TSP. It is the strategy of a decling power just as the British used the Western Europeans to fight in Europe and prevented the regular invasions of Britain that lasted centuries. From 56 BC when Julius Caeser invadeded Britain from Gaul to the Battle of Hastings in 1066 which resulted in Norman Conquest, Britain was subject to a number of invasions. Even after that there were successful invasions by English claimants to the throne with French support. Tudors etc. Napoleon and Hitler were the unsuccessful ones in modern times.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 22 May 2009 22:04

Canada Denies Lifting Arm Sales Ban To Pakistan (Headline News)

The communications director of Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon on Thursday told the Globe and Mail that Ottawa's policy toward military exports to Islamabad will not change.

Chohan says the ban is considered discriminatory in Pakistan because Canada had lifted a similar arms ban against India in 2003.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 May 2009 22:11

I am waiting for Pakistan to say that either India elected Obama or that Obama is an Indian RAW agent.

It is coming.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 May 2009 22:26

NRao wrote:I am waiting for Pakistan to say that either India elected Obama or that Obama is an Indian RAW agent.

It is coming.

Yeah all the Democrats from Punjab voted for him!

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 22 May 2009 22:27

RajeshA wrote:The whole war taking place in Pakistan today is between Jihadi factions for primacy.

Well the pak army is a jihadi faction too.
It is all basically the hyenas fighting off each other for the scarce piece of meat in there. The wolf (The Pak Army) has to step in once a while to protect its turf (and the meagre loot left) and discipline the hyenas once in a while.

But at the end of the day they are all the same rabid breed.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 May 2009 22:27

Question: has the meaning of top AlQ hierarchy changed, or is the ISI not under the control of their CoAS? It raises a few interesting questions about what exactly was going on - some kind of show of how much is being risked to support the war on terror, maybe.

My take on that article is that those Islamists WITHIN the Pakistani Army are not ready to take over control of the PA.

"neutral" PA does not mean that they do not want the PA to fight the Taliban. It means a Islamized Pakistani Army that appears with US generals for photo ops, and APPEARS neutral.

The goal of the Taliban, AQ AND the Pakistani Army - WRT Afghanistan - is the SAME. They ALL want control of Afghanistan - and by extension ALL of them want the US to leave Afghanistan NOW - but for various reasons.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 22 May 2009 22:38

They want afghanistan for the Hashish onlee. And maybe some transit fee for the oil pipelines.

The loot form control of the hashish trade is all going to be private money going into the pockets of the Pak Fauj's crore commanders.

The oil pipeline transit fee is going into the government kitty - a rather circuitous route will then be needed to siphon it off. (there is money to be made when the pipeline starts to build - via the land mafia, and protection money).

The strategic depth against India is more hogwash I think. If things have deteriorated to the extent that the pak fauj has to hide in Afghanistan, that means that India is already in control of Pakistan east of the Indus. Before such a situation arises, the elite would have flown to Saudi Arabia, Europe and the US along with the monies.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 May 2009 22:41

Actually, when the Taliban ruled A'stan, the drug trade had become nothing.

A'stan will be an autonomous extension of Pakistan if the US leaves - at least that is the game plan.

The strategic depth against India is more hogwash I think. If things have deteriorated to the extent that the pak fauj has to hide in Afghanistan,

Stategic depth actually is more meant for launching missiles from there and claiming that Pakistan did not do it or making sure that these missiles cannot be attacked by India (in specific). Same goes for terrorists to - training, etc.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 May 2009 22:42

ramana wrote:

Correct, And the US doesnt have the strength to take the fight into TSP. It is the strategy of a decling power just as the British used the Western Europeans to fight in Europe and prevented the regular invasions of Britain that lasted centuries. From 56 BC when Julius Caeser invadeded Britain from Gaul to the Battle of Hastings in 1066 which resulted in Norman Conquest, Britain was subject to a number of invasions. Even after that there were successful invasions by English claimants to the throne with French support. Tudors etc. Napoleon and Hitler were the unsuccessful ones in modern times.

One of the American co worker told us that the Pak army is so worried that it does not move the troops to the western border. He asked me how come Pak are worried about India.
It is kind of naive and lack of understanding which shows up in the public opinion.
So all the media articles are coming up in the western countries are for US public consumption to prepare them and shape the public opinion. India is being mentioned as the elephant so that appropriate pressure can be put with public opinion.

Some excerpts :-

JUAN COLE: The Pakistani military is a tank, you know, traditional, almost central European kind of military. It was formed to fight India...

SHAHAN MUFTI:or the Pakistani security establishment, and my conversation with a lot of people in this security establishment, the Taliban, and the situation in Afghanistan, is about India...

BILL MOYERS: Karzai has made India his most important trading partner, right?... And this has to bother Pakistanis...

SHAHAN MUFTI: President Obama said that, in November..all of a sudden, for the new President-Elect to come out and point out this piece of land between India and Pakistan as the key to solving the Afghanistan issue, was something that made one think about the issue ..........

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 May 2009 22:45

India has yet to learn about PR.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 22 May 2009 22:46

for all their religious piety, the taliban left afghanistan with no future except as a sowing field for poppy. The damn crop is so lucrative that the farmer doesn't want to do anything else.

Pakistan can't even properly hold onto what it has, leave alone giving its citizen any sort of respectable life. The only possible use of afghanistan under pakistani tutelage, would be to receive alms in view of the prevelant poverty in afghanistan, and as a chronically unstable tribal region where all sorts of terror groups flourish for a fee.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 May 2009 22:59

p_saggu,

On the poppy front you are, I am wrong.

Except for 2001 they have been growing increasing amounts every year!

archan · Post by **archan** » 22 May 2009 23:03

NRao wrote: Stategic depth actually is more meant for launching missiles from there and claiming that Pakistan did not do it or making sure that these missiles cannot be attacked by India (in specific). Same goes for terrorists to - training, etc.

Also, imagine if they didn't have Taliban in control of A'stan in 99, they would have had to land IC 814 in Islamabad instead of Kandhar. That would be kinda hard to cover up now wouldn't it. That is how they wish to have and be able to use the strategic depth. Now with unkil pounding A'stan things have not been easy so pakis have had to give up parts of their land such as Swat to the:

non-state actors

However, after successfully carrying out 26/11 they probably have figured out that they don't even need to give up land to get the non-state actors excuse. All they have to do is show their pathetic face to the world and the world would readily believe that they have non-state actors working from everywhere in their country. Perhaps even from Pindi HQ.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 May 2009 23:05

p_saggu wrote:
RajeshA wrote:The whole war taking place in Pakistan today is between Jihadi factions for primacy.
Well the pak army is a jihadi faction too.
It is all basically the hyenas fighting off each other for the scarce piece of meat in there. The wolf (The Pak Army) has to step in once a while to protect its turf (and the meagre loot left) and discipline the hyenas once in a while.

But at the end of the day they are all the same rabid breed.

A few weeks ago, a BRF guru mentioned that the Anglo-American has had a long-held policy of supporting groups or countries, which are willing to challenge an adversary or a potential adversary and challenger for their domination and power. Per se, I would consider that a positive policy, especially when one gets away with it, through harking on some moral high-ground, with the media in lock-step.

India needs to adopt certain aspects of this policy as well.

In AfPak war-theater, all warring Muslim factions are Jihadis. The Pak Army is Jihadi, Al-Qaida is Jihadi, Hesb-i-Islami is Jihadi, Baitullah Mehsud's TTP is Jihadi, Mullah Omar's Taliban is Jihadi, Jalalluddin Haqqani's Taliban is Jihadi, Mullah Fazlullah's Taliban is Jihadi, Let is Jihadi, JeM is Jihadi. Everybody is a Jihadi.

The difference within these Jihadi groupings lies in identifying who are our adversaries, and who have built the maximum Jihadi and Aggression capability. Up till now the Pak Army and the Pakjabi Jihadis are the ones, who have targeted India in a big way. It is the Pak Army which has built up its nuclear arsenal and targeted India. They have shown the maximum capacity and willingness to hit India. They are also the big Jihadi in the field, albeit with some weaknesses.

As such it becomes our imperative, that we invest our resources, military, intelligence, etc. to help those Jihadi factions who can bring down the big Jihadi, especially in the wake of Mumbai bombings where our efforts to force the Big Jihadi to eliminate its pet Jihadis is bearing not even a bud leave alone a fruit.

America has started a new program of stuffing more and more greenbacks up the musharraf of the Big Jihadi. Our efforts have to be the contrary.

There were reports that America could assuage our feelings by showing that Pakistan is indeed acting against Jihadis in Swat, Buner and Dir, so that we soften up and restart talks. No Way!

The Jihadis in Swat, Buner and Dir have not shown themselves to be our adversaries. The Jihadis in Rawalpindi and Muridke on the other hand have done so. It is the Pakjabi Jihadis that need to be crushed, be it the Pak Army or LeT or JeM. If the US can convince us of THAT, then we could consider a little mellowing of our stance.

Until then, all Jihadis fighting the Big Jihadi are worthy of our benevolence, and any US talk of having common enemies is a whole lot of PorkiGas.

That Jihadi group which will be able to convert the maximum number of IDPs will get a shot in the arm. It will be good for India if it is not Jamaat-ud-Dawaa which is the most successful of the recruiting agencies. Considering however that Obama Administration has pulled out all the stops in financing the Big Jihadi, it is to be expected that JuD will now have more money to finance their recruiting of new terrorists to drive their anti-India campaigns.

We need to hit JuD as soon as we can and to disturb their activities in the IDP camps. Perhaps get a few other Jihadis to blow up their operations in those camps. After all, it's JuD's big brother, the Pak Army which has forced these hardships on the IDPs.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 May 2009 23:34

VIDEO: An India-Pakistan Alliance? by Siobhan Gorman: WSJ

US dreams of India-Pakistan Cooperation!

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 May 2009 23:37

Yeah, and we also dream of Al-Q and US cooperation in ensuring world peace!!!

Wish we get some netas in the near future who have the b@lls to show Unkil its rightful place...

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 May 2009 01:34

Iranian Missile Similar to Pakistani Model, Israeli Experts Say

The medium-range ballistic missile Iran tested this week is similar to a model used by Pakistan, suggesting that Islamabad might be assisting Tehran in its weapons program, Israeli security analysts said

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 23 May 2009 01:41

The CIA's Silent War in Pakistan

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2009 01:56

Gerard wrote:Iranian Missile Similar to Pakistani Model, Israeli Experts Say
The medium-range ballistic missile Iran tested this week is similar to a model used by Pakistan, suggesting that Islamabad might be assisting Tehran in its weapons program, Israeli security analysts said

Next they will say the Iranian bum is based on CHIC-4 which is highly reliable doesnt need testing as it was tested in quite a few countries.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 May 2009 02:55

Any Iranian bum will have to be U235 based (unless Big Lizard supplies Pu) - their heavy water reactor is years away from completion. For now, the fissile material is all coming from the centrifuge cascades. They bought the centrifuges from AQK and he provided the U235 warhead design for free to Libya. The Libyans claim the warhead blueprints were unsolicited.

He also provided notes on working Uranium metal to Iran

Documents about Work with Uranium Metal: The IAEA first reported the existence of this document in November 2005, describing it as containing “procedural requirements for the reduction of UF6 to metal in small quantities, and on the casting and machining of enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms….”
Iran claims that it received this document, which concerns the process necessary to machine uranium metal into a form suitable for use in a nuclear weapon, unsolicited from the Khan network, and that it has not performed any such research

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 23 May 2009 03:33

archan wrote: However, after successfully carrying out 26/11 they probably have figured out that they don't even need to give up land to get the non-state actors excuse. All they have to do is show their pathetic face to the world and the world would readily believe that they have non-state actors working from everywhere in their country. Perhaps even from Pindi HQ.

Or the world is very smart in giving us sleepless nights by keeping paki dog barking? We are alone in the fight with these pigs. Isnt this feeling make us stronger and closer to each other?

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 23 May 2009 04:23

First Punjab:

No Pukhtoons in Punjab!

“The IDPs can cause trouble for the province just like the Afghan refugees. So, we have decided not to perm

PML-N Chairman Raja Zafarul Haq, in his talk with this correspondent on Monday, had given “rising temperature” as the major reason for not allowing the establishment of the IDPs’ camps in the Punjab.

Now Sindh:

No Pukhtoons in Sindh!

Some four million Pakhtoons are already residing in the province,” he said while adding that the Urdu speaking people are brothers of Sindhis and the heirs of Sindh.

Also:

Sindhis will not be converted into a minority

“Inviting IDPs to Sindh is a move to convert the citizens of Sindh into a minority,” Palijo said

But we are all Pakistanis onlee. Islamic and ummah onlee! Allah knows best.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2009 04:31

“Inviting IDPs to Sindh is a move to convert the citizens of Sindh into a minority,” Palijo said But we are all Pakistanis onlee. Islamic and ummah onlee! Allah knows best.

Wow, Poor Pashtoon ID people, today they die because of PakIslam yet no Chumma from Ummah for them. The essence and glory of Islam is Pakistan and onlee Pakjabis enjoy all the Zakat and Khairat .

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 23 May 2009 04:34

pgbhat wrote:A society misunderstood by Farzana Shah

This woman posts on pee dee eff under the handle "jana". She begins most of her posts with "Dear".

Lonely desperate chick. Also, one heck of a rabid anti-Hindu pooki.