Intelligence & National Security Discussion

[VinodTK]

Govt likely to move on U.S. military pact

[Yugandhar]

a very interesting talk


Sean Gourley on the mathematics of war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emn28FrJ ... re=channel

I wonder if a similar study can be done for our own insurgencies.

[k prasad]

The centralised system aims to be a one-stop solution as against the current practice of running several decentralised monitoring agencies under various ministries, where each one has disparate processing systems, technology platforms and clearance levels. Currently, the defence ministry, the police department, the Intelligence Bureau and other agencies associated with national security, all have separate surveillance systems. In addition to duplication of work, they often refuse to share information with each other as they compete with each other.

What is the NTRO doing then? Isnt the NTRO supposed to be the nodal SIGINT/COMINT agency?

Ideal case-practical case mismatch.

Each of the intell agencies wants their little fiefdoms, and protect them fiercely... this is precisely why NTRO is coming in.... Instead of forcing these guys to give up the COMINT infrastructure, the govt will raise and develop NTRO till it becomes better than any of them. At the same time, funding for the COMINT in these orgs is cut. Once they realize that the NTRO info is better and they can do without their own fiefs, the dedicated COMINTs will go. Any that remain will be oriented towards the core work of that agency.

Simple fact.

Dont expect these little bits of infrastructure to go away soon.... NTRO is being built up parallel to these, not as an alternative. I know it is a more expensive solution, but it is definitely a damn better and faster way to get the job done... at least in india.

[Anabhaya]

K Prasad,

So this is a new NTRO project?

Also nothing unique about Indian services...the 5 and 6 spooks did fight amongst themselves for many a things. Boys will always be boys - wanting the best toys.

[sunilUpa]

How Lashkar funded transnational terror campaign

[ramana]

Nightwatch link on prize winning essay

Developing Tomorrow’s Intelligence Analyst: A New Plan for High Performance in the Intelligence Community

Read the comments too!

[ramana]

I think somnath was asking for this info earlier:


LinK: http://www.idcpublishers.com/?id=335

Editor: Anthony Farrington, Former Deputy Director, Oriental & India Office Collections, British Library

Indian Political Intelligence (IPI), an organization within the India Office in London, monitored activities aimed at undermining the British government of India. Its files, the oldest being locked away for almost a century, were declassified in 1997. They form a unique primary source for the study of revolutionary movements in the British colonial period during an especially volatile episode in Indian history. This microform edition, published exclusively by IDC Publishers, is fully endorsed by the British Library.

History
In the early 1900s, close links were developing between growing unrest in India and the political activities of Indians domiciled in Britain. The first bombings and assassinations of British officials in India in 1905 were soon followed by the emergence of Indian revolutionary groups in London, Paris and North America. In 1908, Scotland Yard’s Special Branch received orders to undertake surveillance of Indian subversives in Britain, establishing an Indian Section in July 1909.

Indian Political Intelligence began with the deputation of Major J.A. Wallinger from the Indian Police to the India Office in London. IPI’s task was to "watch anti-British conspiracies in England and Europe, so far as they affect Indian interests". It reported to the Secretary of State for India through the India Office’s Public & Judicial Department, and to the government of India through the Intelligence Bureau of the Home Department. After 1939, the interests of IPI grew to encompass activities of German, Italian and Japanese aliens in India. Various pro-independence movements were infiltrated and monitored, among them the International Committee for India and the India League. In 1947, following the Independence of India, IPI was dissolved.

Contents
The files of IPI contain a mass of previously unavailable material on the monitoring of organizations and individuals considered a threat to British India. They include surveillance reports and intercepts from MI.5, MI.6 and Scotland Yard's Special Branch, and a large number of intelligence summaries and position papers. Although the main thrust is anti-communist, exponents of the various nationalist movements were also monitored.

IPI kept files on most of the period's best known activists and political figures – including Gandhi, as well as Subhas Chandra Bose, Jawarharlal Nehru and V.J. Patel. Their movements were recorded, their correspondence read and their publications combed through for allegedly subversive statements.

In addition, there are more than 80 separate files on Indian censorship.

Characteristics

The IPI files serve as essential source material for the study of revolutionary movements in pre-independence India – and the support such movements received from Britain, Europe, the USSR and North America. They also shed new light on the way in which these movements were perceived and evaluated in London.
This archive contains unique, previously classified data on political activists and various ‘subversive’ movements.
The present release on microfiche constitutes a rare case of a British intelligence organization declassifying its unedited holdings for research.
The files expose in great detail the operations of a secret intelligence service, documenting the main concerns of the British in the last half century of the Raj.

A.J. Farrington
Former Deputy Director, Oriental & India Office Collections, British Library

And
Brochure on
Intelligence of NWF India

[k prasad]

K Prasad,

So this is a new NTRO project?

Also nothing unique about Indian services...the 5 and 6 spooks did fight amongst themselves for many a things. Boys will always be boys - wanting the best toys.

Anabhaya, I didn't mention any projects here... just the general domain of expertise and operations (Even if anyone is in the know, it is better to leave that out). NTRO will be nodal org for TECHINT, COMINT, OSINT, basically everything that involves technology! IMINT should also have come into their field, but RAW is strenuously resisting giving away ARC to NTRO, as has been reported before. It doesn't help that the NSA is too busy with political work to solve this situation.

[VinodTK]

Pak develops second strike capability: US report

[sum]

Why would Pakistan bother about second strike when it is committed to fist use and India will never attack first(with Nukes)?

I think all the Chinese "projects" in Pak are just cover for building all the silos,command centers etc...

[Kati]

a very interesting talk


Sean Gourley on the mathematics of war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emn28FrJ ... re=channel

I wonder if a similar study can be done for our own insurgencies.

Yugandhar,
The talk by Sean gourley is an interesting one. The stuff is from statistical modelling.
That distribution he has shown for the probability of "x" number of casualty in a given ambush/attack = C .x ^ (- alpha) is the well known Pareto probability distribution
(provided x > 0, since 0 casualty can be treated as not/negligible attack). But what sean has presented is very elementary statistics, and that alpha = 2.5 is a very crude value.
In reality, all asymmetric wars are different. One can look at the Iraq war casualty figures,
and it pretty much follow logistic distribution upto 2007, and then a "change-point" happened - casualty figure changed the pattern (or probability distribution). Pentagon
may say that it was due to "surge", but I think it was due to creation os "awakening council" (bribing the sunnis to turn them against al qaeda).
Actually, my plan was to study the Iraq casualty more closely - I wanted to build a predictive model, about identifying the locations with high attack probability. For this one needs the actual data, but the open source data are not very accurate (exact location of attack, type of IED used, exact casualty, type of damage vehicles sustained, etc.). One can buile a Probit or Logit models about the casualties, but my hunch was to predict the location of future attacks. But the data has been under lock and key in Univ of Virginia, and they
won't part with it.
The idea can easily be extended to India, to predict locations of possible future attacks. Not only for NE insurgents but also for jihadi elements. My idea is to make it a dynamic model, sort of Bayesian, where every moment intel feedbacks are plugged in
as they become available. it will have the past data in it, experts can provide subjective
info (which makes it a bayesian model), create a 3D posterior distribution on the entire country's land mass, and from there look at the modes as possible future attack sites.
From a mathematical point of view, it would be highly computational intensive, and dynamic too since streaming reliable intel info ought to be fed in continuously.
At a much smaller and simpler scale, I looked at a slightly different data which is easily
available - that is California Earth Quake data over several decades, and built a simple model
to predict the next earthquake's intensity (think of casualty level in a war setting). Built an empirical Bayes model, and the results came out to be simple, cute and interesting.
Coming back to terrorism/insurgency etc. Apparently, these attacks seem like random,
but over a long period of time a pattaern emerges, and one can fit probabilistic models. But to do this we need to get a nice coherent group of people - a few mathematical statisticians, top intel experts, law enforcement experts, and numerical analysts to carry out fast computations. ISSA/IDSA should do this.

[ramana]

Why would Pakistan bother about second strike when it is committed to fist use and India will never attack first(with Nukes)?

I think all the Chinese "projects" in Pak are just cover for building all the silos,command centers etc...

Why dont people use googlemaps/Google Earth to locate these Chines built dams and see where they are all located?

[Rupesh]

MEA refuses information in Cabinet mole case under RTI

After the directions of Central Information Commission (CIC) to provide information in the case, the MEA has accepted that records of discussions of meetings between the then Minister of External Affairs Swaran Singh and US Secretary William Rogers on October 5, 1972 were available but refused to disclose them claiming confidentiality.

The information was sought by Anuj Dhar, author of the book "CIA's Eye on South Asia" which carries details of the case, under the RTI Act.

[Avinash R]

IB tip-off nets top LeT terrorist in Delhi
Hyderabad, June 4, 2009
India Today
...Meanwhile, the Delhi Police Special Cell arrested a Lashkar militant, Mohd Umar Madni, from the city’s Mehrauli area after a tip-off from the IB. Fake currency worth Rs 50,000, around 8,000 US dollars and a driving licence and identity card from Nepal were seized from him.

Madni came to Delhi from Aligarh to build the Lashkar’s “sleeper cells” to carry out attacks. “He is a key operative (of the Lashkar) in India and Nepal," Joint Commissioner of Police (Special Cell) P.N. Aggarwal said.

Sources said Madni was living in Nepal for the last 20 years. Money laundering was his key job. Madni used to regularly visit Pakistan and was in touch with the Lashkar chief.
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[sinha]

The idea can easily be extended to India, to predict locations of possible future attacks. Not only for NE insurgents but also for jihadi elements. My idea is to make it a dynamic model, sort of Bayesian, where every moment intel feedbacks are plugged in as they become available. it will have the past data in it, experts can provide subjective
info (which makes it a bayesian model), create a 3D posterior distribution on the entire country's land mass, and from there look at the modes as possible future attack sites. From a mathematical point of view, it would be highly computational intensive, and dynamic too since streaming reliable intel info ought to be fed in continuously.
Coming back to terrorism/insurgency etc. Apparently, these attacks seem like random,
but over a long period of time a pattaern emerges, and one can fit probabilistic models. But to do this we need to get a nice coherent group of people - a few mathematical statisticians, top intel experts, law enforcement experts, and numerical analysts to carry out fast computations. ISSA/IDSA should do this.

Hi Kati,
I guess you meant a combination of HMM (Hidden Markov Models) - for partially observed stochastic processes - in combination with Bayesian networks. Check out this link http://www.teamqsi.com/doc/asam_journal_paper.pdf for rather simplified representation of IC-814 hijack model as well which sort of details the concept. Incidentally, the hierarchical model of information integration suggested may work in context of our intel network - you have to excuse me as I am quite new to this world - but just have some predictive analytics experience in civilian applications.

Regarding compute capabilities - in the days of ready access to cloud providers, this shouldnt be that difficult.
Cheers

[ramana]

Kati, Can you visit the Modeling geo-strategic dynamics thread in strat forum?

LINK

[Kati]

Ramana and adzegeek,
I just glanced over that paper. Not too difficult. Basically
trying to capture the Posterior distribution of the 'state of nature'
through data (from various sources - like local
police, Interpol, Immigration, Customs, Businesses, etc.)
using a hierarchical Bayes model. What happens is that in such
problems deriving the posterior distribution can be a daunting task
because the theoretical expression requires a high dimensional
integration/summation over the multi-dimensional parameter space.
In such a case one takes the help of various sampling (statistical)
techniques - like Gibbs sampling, MCMC (Markov-Chain-Monte-Carlo)
algorithms, etc. which all are essentially based on metropolis-hastings
algorithm. I can go on (like such algoritms depend on internal tuning
parameters which need to be chosen very carefully so that convergence
happens not too slowly) and often some initial conditions so that the
algorithms can converge smoothly.

In my last post what I suggested is very similar, but a slightly different
Empirical Bayes model. One can start with a very simplistic model, and
then can move up making it more and more complex by bringin in
various sources. The challange will be to quantify some qualitative info.

No matter what you do in a Bayesian set-up, you have to deal with
the posterior distribution which holds the key.
to where we expect them to.

[kit]

Alert ! If there is a IB4TL by some one in any thread please mention .. was wondering which thread to put this since it involves all military services and DOD

Defence Forces Switch to Optical Fibre Networks by 2013

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4424

Is that a good idea .. maybe not ..and why

Fiber optic networks vulnerable to attack

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/ne ... 06,00.html

In a research paper published by the SANS Institute in 2005, Kimberlie Witcher notes that industry experts now believe that fiber is almost as easy to tap as copper. And, tapping into fiber no longer requires a submarine or a multimillion-dollar project funded by government agencies.The required equipment has become relatively inexpensive and commonplace, and an experienced hacker can easily pull off a successful attack.

[k prasad]

NTRO Motto:

"Aa no Bhadrah Krutavo Yaantu Vishwatah"

"Let noble thoughts come to us from every side." Rigveda

[sum]

Does the NTRO advertise for openings?

Am seriously thinking of leaving my IT-vity job and doing something worthwhile (and in which i have huge interest like tapping piggie commns) if given the chance...

[ramana]

Still kati visit that thread I have question for you.

[k prasad]

Does the NTRO advertise for openings?

Am seriously thinking of leaving my IT-vity job and doing something worthwhile (and in which i have huge interest like tapping piggie commns) if given the chance...

It does actually... they conduct Entrance tests for Scientists. Check out Employment Weekly for notifications, or contact ur friendly neighbourhood chai-wallah.

[sum]

My only chai wallahs are the BRFites...

So, any chaiwala who gets the fresh tea leaves about NTRO, kindly inform yours truly...

[skher]

India’s top nuclear scientist goes missing from Karnataka

Posted in full

Kaiga (Karnataka): A joint operation has been launched by the CISF and the local police to trace a scientist of Kaiga Nuclear Power Plant, who went missing four days back, a top police official said.

"Intensive search is being carried out round the clock by a 40-member team comprising the CISF and local police personnel to trace N Mahalingam, missing since June 8 from the Kaiga township," Superintendent of Police, Uttara Kannada Raman Gupta told PTI.

It is being investigated whether it is case of kidnap or the 47-year-old scientist who worked in the Simulator Training Division of the Power Plant went somewhere by himself. The scientist, who went for a morning walk on June 8, did not return, he said.

A complaint was lodged by his wife on June 8 in Mallapur police station in Karwar. A joint search team was set up immediately and it combed the entire Kaiga residential campus spread over 100 acres and searched a pond as part of the operation, Gupta said. "Till now no clue has been found," he said.

PTI

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 645119.cms

[sum]

ToI says the scientist had access to top secret stuff while NDTV says he didnt have access to anything serious!!!

Todays paper also reporting another technician from Kaiga is missing for few months now...Something fishy going on in Kaiga.

[Philip]

CIA vs NSA spat over London spook head and UK US spat over Gitmo Uighur detenus.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/ ... tion.thtml

US intelligence rivalry flares over British connection
John Stokes 5:01pm

The CIA station in London is at the center of a bitter fight between different branches of the US intelligence community in Washington DC.

For years, the CIA has had the right to appoint the station chief who runs US intelligence operations in London and liaises with MI6 and GCHQ. Now, the National Security Agency is arguing that they and not the CIA should run intelligence operations in the UK because they have more people on the ground and the work they do has far greater value to both countries.

NSA have found useful allies in both Admiral Denny Blair, the Director of National Intelligence and General Jim Jones, the National Security Adviser who have been very receptive to the argument that intelligence form should follow function and reflect the realities of the 21st century.

Last month, Blair wrote a memo to US intelligence chiefs saying that in future the DNI would appoint Heads of Stations overseas. It was a clear directive from the man who runs all US intelligence and is appointed by the President and Congress to do so. However, Leon Panetta, who heads the CIA and is the former Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton, wrote his own letter to top CIA officials saying they could disregard Blair’s note.

Panetta is a famous Washington bruiser and is well known for his take no prisoners style but such a confrontation has infuriated Blair who sees it as a direct challenge to his authority and battle has been joined. For once, Panetta may have misjudged the political winds as Congress is pushing hard for real intelligence reform and the CIA has fewer friends and less influence on Capitol Hill these days.

It is no coincidence that those pushing for change in the Obama administration have a military background and that the NSA is run by one of their own, General Keith Alexander. It’s also true that for decades NSA has chafed under CIA’s apparent seniority and the two agencies have been arch rivals for generations. As recently as the Bush administration a major joint operation between CIA and NSA which all involved agreed was vital to the future of US security was stopped after a senior CIA official refused to implement the project which he thought gave unnecessary influence to NSA.

The information revolution has placed further strains on the relationship. Twenty years ago, there was a clearer division of labour with NSA intercepting data on the move (email, faxes, phone calls) while the CIA targeted data at rest (documents, burglaring buildings). But recently the CIA has made a major push into the data gathering business arguing that the ones and zeros of the computer age are data and thus are fair game whether at rest or on the move.

There are thousands of Americans based in Britain who work for NSA and work closely with GCHQ. By comparison, the CIA station, based in the US Embassy in Grosvenor Square, is important but a mere shadow of the NSA’s presence. Reality on the ground suggests that NSA will win this fight.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 482158.ece

Britain snubbed as Bermuda takes in Uighurs after deal with US

Catherine Philp, Diplomatic Correspondent
Britain was left scrambling to assert the vestiges of its colonial authority yesterday after Bermuda welcomed in four former Guantánamo detainees under a secret deal with the United States.

British officials knew nothing of the arrangement until the men, all ethnic Uighurs from western China, were already airborne en route from Guantánamo to the British island territory, better known as a haven for tourists and tax exiles than former terrorist suspects.

Alarm bells sounded in London when Ewart Brown, the Bermudian Premier, welcomed the men as “landed in Bermuda in the short term, provided with the opportunity to become naturalised citizens and thereafter afforded the right to travel and leave Bermuda, potentially settling elsewhere”.

The men are in the country as “guest workers”. Under the British Overseas Territory Act of 2002, citizens of Bermuda were restored with the full rights of British citizenship, including the right of abode in the United Kingdom. Bermuda has control over internal affairs, including immigration, but not over foreign affairs, defence or security matters, under which, London made clear, the case of the Uighurs falls.

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In a statement shortly after their arrival in Bermuda, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office chided authorities there for failing to consult London on their decision to admit the men and insisted that security assessments must be carried out before their future was decided. “This was a decision of the Bermuda Government,” the FCO said.

“We have underlined to the Bermuda Government that it should have consulted the UK on whether this falls within their competence or is a foreign affairs or security issue for which the Bermuda Government do not have delegated responsibility.”

The Foreign Office noted that the Uighurs — Huzaifa Parhat, Abdul Semet, Abdul Nasser and Jalal Jalaladin — do not possess any travel documents and so would be unable to leave Bermuda.

A spokesman declined to say whether Britain would have intervened earlier had it known of the deal, saying: “We will be working with the Bermuda Government to decide further steps as appropriate. It’s something that we should have been consulted about.”

The development comes after Washington’s failure to convince Britain to take any more former detainees from Guantánamo as part of the Obama Administration’s effort to close the Cuban-based jail. Britain believes that it has “done its bit” after accepting 13 British citizens and residents released from Guantánamo.

It was reported on Wednesday that the 17 Uighurs, long recognised as not an international terrorist threat, would be resettled in the former American dependency of Palau in the South Pacific.

Four of their number proclaimed their delight yesterday at tasting freedom in a quite different island paradise as they landed at Hamilton international airport.

Bermuda accepts the Uighurs in defiance of enormous diplomatic pressure from China, which has demanded the return of the men to be tried as terrorists fighting to liberate Muslim-majority Xinjiang from Chinese rule. The US has refused to repatriate them to China for fear that they would be tortured or executed.

It emerged last night that senior US officials accompanied the four Uighurs on their flight to Bermuda, underlining the mission’s importance to the Obama Administration. Officials said that Greg Craig, a White House counsel, and Daniel Fried, special envoy overseeing the closure of Guantánamo jail, were on board.

Sabin Willet, a lawyer accompanying the men, hailed Bermuda for its “act of grace”. He said: “Nations need good friends. When political opportunists blocked justice in our own country, Bermuda has reminded her old friend America what justice is.”

Those words will smart in London, where questions are already being asked why the US felt free to consult Bermuda but not Britain on the deal. Comparisons have been raised with the Bush Administration’s covert use of another British territory, Diego Garcia, for the extraordinary rendition of terror suspects without British knowledge — leading to an embarrassing climbdown in Parliament for the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband.

The 1983 US invasion of the former British dependency of Grenada moved the Queen to a rare public rebuke of Washington for its attack on her Commonwealth realms.

While Britain remains its colonial master, Bermudian trade and economic relations with the US have become increasingly important. Its Government is eyeing warily President Obama’s moves against tax havens and is anxious to stave off regulations.

Local residents predicted that the Uighurs would cause fewer ructions with the 70,000 inhabitants of the archipelago. “They are unlikely to get involved in too much political strife. The big debate here at the moment is whether or not to allow gambling on cruise ships,” James Whittaker, of The Bermuda Sun, said. “It sounds like they are free to come and go as they please so, like most visitors on their first week in Bermuda, they’ll probably head to the beach.”

After that the future is not yet clear. In his statement Dr Brown acknowledged that the final decision over the Uighurs rested with the crown-appointed Governor. He did his utmost to make their arrival sound like a done deal.

“Those of us in leadership have a common understanding of the need to make tough decisions and to sometimes make them in spite of their unpopularity, simply because it is the right thing to do,” Dr Brown said. “We await a decision . . . in many respects the international community awaits a decision. But, in the meantime, I can say on behalf of the government, we are confident this decision is the right one from a humanitarian perspective.”

Worlds apart

Bermuda

GDP per capita $91,477 (£55,000) — the highest in the world

Land mass 138 islands covering total of 20sq miles (53sq km)

Population 70,000

Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region

GDP per capita 15,000 yuan (£1,326). 2.2 million people live below the poverty line

Land mass 640,000sq miles (1,664,900sq km); landlocked

Population 21 million

[sum]

My only chai wallahs are the BRFites...

So, any chaiwala who gets the fresh tea leaves about NTRO, kindly inform yours truly...

Just a gentle reminder..

Im sure many BRFites have panwaalas/chaiwaalas intimate with certain Kaccha orgs...please do put in a word and let a wannabe 007 know as to when the next round of recruitment for NTRO scientist grade are on.

Employment news didn't hep much. TIA.

[vipins]

My only chai wallahs are the BRFites...

So, any chaiwala who gets the fresh tea leaves about NTRO, kindly inform yours truly...

Just a gentle reminder..

Im sure many BRFites have panwaalas/chaiwaalas intimate with certain Kaccha orgs...please do put in a word and let a wannabe 007 know as to when the next round of recruitment for NTRO scientist grade are on.

Employment news didn't hep much. TIA.

sumji, you can have a look at this blog regularly,it have all type of govt jobs notifications updated very quickly.
AFAIR there was an opening in IB for freshers around jan-feb this year.

[Avinash R]

Mahalingam's (missing person from kaiga) body has been recovered today. Navy divers found his body in the kali river. Body has been positively identified by family members.

[sum]

sumji, you can have a look at this blog regularly,it have all type of govt jobs notifications updated very quickly.
AFAIR there was an opening in IB for freshers around jan-feb this year.

Thanks for that..will keep a eye out.

Guess i will come in the middle range (3-5 years exp). Not sure if any such cadre exists.

[Kakarat]

Home Minister reviews delivery of interceptor boats
The Union Home Minister, Shri P. Chidambaram reviewed here today the delivery of interceptor boats under the Coastal Security Scheme with the CMDs of Goa Shipyard Limited and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Limited, Kolkata. While noting that delivery of boats has commenced from April, 2009 and 13 interceptor boats have been despatched to States/UTs including Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Orissa, Goa, Lakshadweep and Puducherry, Shri Chidambaram underlined the need to ensure that there are no slippages in time-lines. He also emphasized the need for proper training and placement of trained manpower/ police personnel and crew members for proper upkeep and running of these boats. He also directed that 6 boats which are also ready should be despatched without delay.

The Union Home Minister also met the DG, Central Public Works Department and CEO/CMDs of National Building Construction Corporation, National Projects Construction Corporation, Border Roads Organisation, Rail India Technical & Economic Services, Engineering Projects (India) Limited and Engineers India Limited here today to review issues relating to fencing, road construction, floodlighting, construction of Border Out-Posts etc. along international borders particularly the borders with Bangladesh and China. The Home Minister emphasized not only the need for timely completion of all projects but also the need for ensuring quality and an effective system of external audit/third party inspections.

[Jamal K. Malik]

Centre sends Guj anti-terror bill back, asks for changes
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... s/65037/on
Cabinet returns Gujarat anti-terror act
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... terror+act

At least a anti-terror law is moving.

[AmitR]

Centre sends Guj anti-terror bill back, asks for changes
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... s/65037/on
Cabinet returns Gujarat anti-terror act
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... terror+act

At least a anti-terror law is moving.

Nothing is moving. Gujarat has framed the tough anti terror law since years now but the Congress govt in the center has rejected it many many times.

[sum]

Nothing is moving. Gujarat has framed the tough anti terror law since years now but the Congress govt in the center has rejected it many many times.

Tha Lahori logic being peddled by Congress about the rejection is that the Assembly didnt allow a discussion and rammed it through undemocratically..Also, the govt seems to have realised about their humane side and are just recommending that ( MCOCA having that is apparently not a issue since it is a older law which happened before the govt grew a conscience).

I fear for my country with such fearful politicking (no celebrating Vijay Diwas, no passing laws of opposition ruled states etc)..

[Kati]

Ramana,
sorry for this delay. Was busy.
Okay, I have gone over the IEEE paper that uses the hidden Markov chain to
model risk. I have a mixed reaction. The first three sections look very encouraging-
it blends markov chain with Bayesian network, etc. etc. Theoretically looks interesting
and requires a lot of fast computing. From Section 4 onward, where the authors are
supposed to have discussed IC plane hijacking, I wanted to see how they have used the
input parameter values, how they have applied their network design, etc. There is very
little details given here. The entire bayesian theory depends on some prior probability distribution, and it'll affect the end result. I was disappointed to see very little (or no) discussion on this matter. (Donno if that is classified.) The risk probability graphs
presented in the paper depends heavily on the input/prior/subjective probabilities. Now,
one can do a trial and error by playing various choices of prior probabilities, and see
which one gives a favourable end result, and then publish that only. Unless I see more
details, I'll be a bit skeptical about the true applicability of this theory. However, I must
add that the authors have a track record of several similar papers written earlier. I plan
to go over these in near future, and can possibly quiz the authors. In the past, I have
had the opportunity to attend some talks/seminars on bio-terrorism etc, but no where
did I see this kind of papers (using Hidden Markov chain, etc.). The talks were based
on much simpler models (using suitable loss functions, etc.). Thanks.
-Kati

Still kati visit that thread I have question for you.

[Gaurav_S]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 675621.cms slideshow.

Encounter with dacoit at Chitrakoot. UP police killing dacoit Kewat. I can see .303 and Insas being used.

[AmitR]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 675621.cms slideshow.

Encounter with dacoit at Chitrakoot. UP police killing dacoit Kewat. I can see .303 and Insas being used.

It took 300+ policemen to kill 1 dacoit after around 50 hours of gun battle.

[Jamal K. Malik]

Centre sends Guj anti-terror bill back, asks for changes
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... s/65037/on
Cabinet returns Gujarat anti-terror act
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... terror+act

At least a anti-terror law is moving.

Nothing is moving. Gujarat has framed the tough anti terror law since years now but the Congress govt in the center has rejected it many many times.

Two out of three objections are genuine.Why it return back? Just to stop missusing the law by polices.If the confessions in front of polices will become the admissible in the courts of law.Then, they will pick the persons from the street and will show the confessions in the court.Courts will not have choice in that case.Slowly polices will start funtions like courts.

[Jamal K. Malik]

Centre declares (CPI)Maoists a terrorist organization
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt ... 687881.cms
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/centr ... on/479812/

Why ruling Left Front against banning Maoists in Bengal ?
What they was doing all the years?

[AmitR]

Centre declares (CPI)Maoists a terrorist organization
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt ... 687881.cms
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/centr ... on/479812/

Why ruling Left Front against banning Maoists in Bengal ?
What they was doing all the years?

They are sleeping together giving birth to the terrorists. It's the same as Paki army and Taliban. Got it!