Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Karkala Joishy · Post by **Karkala Joishy** » 28 May 2009 02:52

Why do we "condemn" Paki bum blasts? Why not just ignore it? I don't see the chankianness of it. Are we trying to play good boys?

Franco-German etc.. forget it guys.. our leaders just don't have the bawls to do anything.

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 28 May 2009 03:15

Karkala Joishy wrote:Franco-German etc.. forget it guys.. our leaders just don't have the bawls to do anything.

Not to mention it would be stupid. Let the leaders deal with problems that actually matter.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 May 2009 03:51

RamaY,

My read is that the US is "trying"(?) to close all Paki loop holes. IF (BIG if) that is true, then at some point in time Pakistan has to deliver.

So, what is that Pakistan can deliver? Not the annihilation of the terrorists - they cannot do that. What they can deliver is:
1) Total disconnect between terrorists and the ISI, and
2) An accompanying step to bring the Pakistani Army AND the ISI (by extension) under total civilian rule

Only that can truely be expected to annihilate the terrorists.

Until this happens the "West" cannot sleep well. (Actually we seem to be seeing the same behaviour in A'stan too - US supplies reaching the Taliban.)

Among other things India has already declared that China is a bigger threat than Pakistan - that cat is out of the bag. Now, ................. I would NOT be surprised if the Indo-US understanding is that the region has been already "split". Any takers on this (ridiculous? (I can understand that)) thinking? (We need to start a pan thela near FB - BR sponsored.)

sivabala · Post by **sivabala** » 28 May 2009 06:37

I am just wondering,
if Kabul embassy blast is to "The revenge of Sith"
does

Gerard wrote:Taliban strike ISI headquarters in Lahore, 35 killed

is to the "Return of the Jedi"?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 May 2009 06:52

sivabala wrote:I am just wondering,
if Kabul embassy blast is to "The revenge of Sith"
does
Gerard wrote:Taliban strike ISI headquarters in Lahore, 35 killed
is to the "Return of the Jedi"?

Thats Lahori logic at its best or worst!
Repeat after me India has no aggressive intent towards the citadel of Islam-TSP.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 May 2009 07:27

How many ‘bombs’ will deter?
In the end, a self-serving article.

AS Pakistan plods on with its war in Malakand against the Taliban and struggles to cope with the hundreds of thousands who are being displaced, controversy over its nuclear arsenal would be the last thing it would ask for.

As if this were not enough, we are now confronted by a report co-authored by David Albright, a former UN arms inspector, and published by the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security saying that satellite images indicate that Pakistan has expanded its nuclear site near Dera Ghazi Khan and has ‘the fastest-growing nuclear weapons programme in the world’.

Significantly a Pakistan Foreign Office spokesman appears to have tacitly confirmed this report. ‘It is being done to maintain credible nuclear deterrence in view of the changing security environment in the region,’ he explained.

Since Islamabad cannot match New Delhi’s conventional weapons capacity, acquiring even a small nuclear stockpile would prevent a war.

Even if this logic were to be accepted, one can well ask how many nuclear bombs act as deterrence. Aren’t 60 bombs sufficient for that purpose ?

The fact is that the nuclearisation of Pakistan’s defence has not fetched the kind of security it was supposed to. ...They were so focused on India’s bomb, our adversarial relationship with New Delhi and the ‘compulsion’ to match India’s nuclear capability with a similar one of our own, that no thought was given to the negative repercussions of possessing an A-bomb.

Now that we have had the ‘bomb’ for 11 years what is the balance sheet? Mr Shamshad Ahmed, foreign secretary in 1998, who has been a staunch supporter of the bomb, observed recently, ‘If we were not a nuclear power, our fate would have been worse than that of Afghanistan’s.’

Is it sensible to enter into a nuclear arms race with India at a time when the army is fighting a difficult war against insurgency which cannot be fought with nuclear weapons?

At the moment we should seriously be striving to revive the peace dialogue with New Delhi for which the time is most appropriate now that Mr Manmohan Singh is firmly in the saddle and is inclined to extend the olive branch

It must be remembered that if our dependence on the US keeps growing and we cannot even mobilise our resources for the social sector, Pakistan will be reduced to being a banana republic.

Isn’t it an anomaly that we cannot manufacture a paper pin but take pride in declaring ourselves the seventh nuclear power in the world?

A sobering postscript: in 1998 Pakistan had approximately 55 million illiterates (above 10 years of age). By a conservative count, today there are 57 million. [email protected] (Ssshh!! Madrassa Math at work here).

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 28 May 2009 08:13

AoA!

U.S. to expand Isloo embassy rivaling the Baghdad one in size; five star hotel in Peshawar to be new US consulate

Saeed Shah
Islamabad — Wednesday, May. 27, 2009 10:15PM EDT

The United States plans to build a massive new embassy in Pakistan's capital, adding another several adjacent properties to the already sprawling compound to expand office space and accommodate 400 to 500 apartments, according to diplomatic insiders.

With large portions of Pakistan's population deeply hostile to the United States, the Islamabad project is sure to draw the ire of those who believe Washington has “imperial designs” on the region.

The scale of the project rivals the giant U.S. embassy in Baghdad, which was controversially completed at a cost of $740-million (U.S.), making it the biggest American mission overseas to date.

The project would be mirrored by an ambitious upgrade and expansion of the Kabul mission, putting a $2-billion-plus price tag on a revamped diplomatic presence for the United States in Afghanistan and Pakistan. U.S. President Barack Obama has repeatedly stated that stabilizing Afghanistan and Pakistan, home of al-Qaeda and the Taliban, is vital for U.S. security.

The State Department is seeking urgent financing for the Islamabad embassy project, with a little-noticed bill currently before Congress.

“This is a replay of Baghdad,” said Khurshid Ahmad, a member of Pakistan's upper house of parliament for Jamaat-e-Islami, one of the two main religious political parties. “This [Islamabad embassy] is more [space] than they should need. It's for the micro and macro management of Pakistan, and using Pakistan for pushing the American agenda in Central Asia.”

The mission houses a large military and intelligence contingent as well as diplomats. The site would expand by 18.5 hectares and buildings would be knocked down and reconstructed, according to diplomatic insiders, according to diplomats familiar with the plan, who could not be named as they were not authorized to speak to media.

In addition to the expansion in Islamabad, the United States would revamp its consular buildings in the eastern city of Lahore and in Peshawar, the regional capital of the militancy-plagued North West Frontier Province. The consulate in the southern megacity of Karachi has just been relocated into a new purpose-built structure.

According to diplomatic and business sources, the U.S. plan for the mission in Peshawar involves the purchase of the luxury Pearl Continental hotel, the only five-star hotel in the city, set in expansive grounds.

The hotel is owned by Pakistani tycoon Sadruddin Hashwani. The purchase is “pretty much done, though it's not yet complete,” according to a businessman familiar with the Pearl Continental deal, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.The Peshawar consulate would be moved to the hotel, which would also provide living accommodation for U.S. staff.
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In Kabul, the United States is first looking to secure more land around the embassy before seeking funds to build. The money in the bill includes $87-million for land purchase.
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“This just shows that the Americans are going to be in Afghanistan for rather a long time,” said Kamran Shafi, a columnist with Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.
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arun · Post by **arun** » 28 May 2009 09:14

Pakistan’s Islamic political parties on India’s connection to yesterday’s suicide bombing in Lahore:

‘It’s reaction to US agenda’

Thursday, May 28, 2009
By By Asim Hussain
LAHORE

Religious leaders on Wednesday condemned the blast ………………..

Jamaat-e-Islami amir Syed Munawwar Hasan said it appeared to be the work of Indian agencies.

............... JUP leaders, including secretary-general Qari Zawwar Bahadur, Allama Shabbir Hashmi, Pir Ijaz Hashmi and Dr Javed Akhtar, said terrorism started in the country owing to Musharraf’s policies and added the present rulers proved themselves as extension to the dictator’s rule.

They said the PPP regime had failed to distinguish between friends and enemies by ignoring the Indian hand in terrorism in Pakistan. They asked the reason for not blaming India for its involvement in terrorism in Pakistan.

They asked the rulers to be vocal against Indian conspiracies aimed to disintegrate Balochistan and the NWFP from Pakistan. ……………………..

The News

Meanwhile, APP, the “official” Government of Pakistan press agency quoting Pakistani Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah :

'Indian hand can’t be ruled out’

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 09:38

On how Swat was radicalized

It may be noted that in 2005 there was no insurgent movement of the type witnessed in Swat and Buner and elsewhere. It all happened after the occurrence of the October 2005 Earthquake in Balakot and Azad Kashmir. The camps where jihadis used to receive training for fighting against Indian forces in Kashmir had to be sequestered from the prying eyes of US and NATO troops who were using helicopters for delivery of relief to NWFP and Azad Kashmir and were clearly aware of the presence of such camps.

Many of these camps were shifted and relocated in Swat and the Dir mountains. The location policy showed colossal ineptitude. A small section of the population in this region already stood radicalized by the TNSM movement of the 1990s. The creation of a lashkar by Sufi Mohammad, which he led into Afghanistan to support the Taliban against the US led invasion in December 2001, further radicalized those residents of Malakand who had accompanied him. The arrival of more radicals due to the shifting of the camps and their evangelical programming of the local population created the monsters that the military is now trying to get rid of.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 May 2009 09:45

Cash reward over arrest of 21 Leaders of Soldiers of Islam announced
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=78826
( Yeh Kaisa Aya jamana , yeh kaisa.Pakistan kare Shaitani, Islam ki baat nahi manni)

PESHAWAR: North West Frontier Province (NWFP) government has announced late on Wednesday the cash reward over information leading to the arrest of the 21 leaders of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Geo news reported.

According to NWFP information Minister Mian Iftikhar, Rs. 4 million will be awarded over the help arrest of TTP leader Molvi Fazlullah, Rs. 4 million over arrest of Haji Muslim Khan, Rs. 5 million over arrest of Naib Ameer TTP Shah Doran, Rs. 3 million over commander Qari Mushtaq Gali, Rs. 3 million over arrest of commander Koza Bandah Mehmood Khan, Rs. 2 million over arrest of commander Kabal Akber Hussain, Rs. 1 million over commander Charbagh Sher Muhammad Kasab, Rs. 3 million over commander Malam Jabba Sirajuddin, Rs. 3 million over Matta Bakht Farzandi, Rs. 1 million over local commander Koza Bandah Mian Fazal Gahfoor, Rs. 1 million over Matta Nisar Ahmed, Rs. 1 million over Baraymian Torobanda Lal Deen and others.

The advertisements, of the following cash reward from NWFP government over the information helpful for the arrest of 21 TTP leaders, have been published in all newspapers.

The ads stated that the names of the persons, providing information in this respect, will be kept secret

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 May 2009 09:51

The implication of operations in NWFP and FATA
Kha liddh Assiz
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=179889

If someone wants an image to visualize what is befalling the Pashtun today the region truly reflects a scene from Vin Diesel's recent science fiction movie Babylon AD. People are moving from place to place aimlessly and directionless. They have lost their homes, families, children and livelihoods. They are people without identity and if they also lose hope and are unable to return soon then I am afraid the promise of Pakistan in their minds will be broken. It is a great irony of history that those who are sons of the soil in Pakistan have become homeless, yet those who were homeless previously are anchored in Pakistani cities and are its masters - what a remarkable turn of events!

were ready to be harvested. They ask: "Couldn't the operation have been delayed for a few more weeks?" A few on the other hand say that the timing of the operation was planned to coincide with the president's US visit! Coming from this perspective it is claimed that Pashtun blood was spilt as a sacrifice for other strategic gains.

It may be noted that in 2005 there was no insurgent movement of the type witnessed in Swat and Buner and elsewhere. It all happened after the occurrence of the October 2005 Earthquake in Balakot and Azad Kashmir. The camps where jihadis used to receive training for fighting against Indian forces in Kashmir had to be sequestered from the prying eyes of US and NATO troops who were using helicopters for delivery of relief to NWFP and Azad Kashmir and were clearly aware of the presence of such camps.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 28 May 2009 11:08

NRao wrote:RamaY,

My read is that the US is "trying"(?) to close all Paki loop holes. IF (BIG if) that is true, then at some point in time Pakistan has to deliver.
So, what is that Pakistan can deliver? Not the annihilation of the terrorists - they cannot do that. What they can deliver is:

Everything is subservient to make India a debt buying machine just as China was over the last 2 decades or so. This is where Indian interests coincide with that of US. From an indian perspective, as I posted before, we have the basement with all critical connections handed over to US. Not even UK's interests are spared in this.

Pak may wish to not annihilate Pakiban but they have little other options. JMTC.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 28 May 2009 13:19

sivabala wrote:I am just wondering,
if Kabul embassy blast is to "The revenge of Sith"
does
Gerard wrote:Taliban strike ISI headquarters in Lahore, 35 killed
is to the "Return of the Jedi"?

Pakistan knows that it has a malignant tumour, but like many cancer patients who do not have the will or the mental makeup to fight the disease, they are living in denial and are not complying with the radical radiotheraphy that is required to cure the cancer. When the cancer specialist from America visits, Pakistan complies half heartedly and undergoes a few rounds of radio theraphy, when the specailist looks the other way, Pakistan moves on as if there is nothing wrong. The recent lahore attack was a flare up of the cancer symptoms and was a demonstration of the now common knowledge that Cancer needs radical treatment and not cosmetic butt lift surgery. India has nothing to do with what is happening to the cancer patient next door, India aims to keep the cancer from spreading by periodically culling the cancer cells that try to invade India in small groups, India succeeds at times and fails many a time. The Cancer management team US and Nato embarked on this project thinking that they had all the knowledge of carcinogenesis, they have been proven wrong as cancer has started to spread into their hinterlands, only US,NATO and India can solve this problem if their multispeciality teams act in unison, there are no indication that this is happening as yet, so in the short and medium term, we all will get hurt. Let us not rejoice at the predicament of the cancer patient, it still has the backing of a medical team that can keep it on life support for as long as they wish to, or for as long as the pateint is useful for, they are not going to administer euthanesia any time soon

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2009 13:30

^^ Nice post and great analogy there. Pukes ultimately might need much greater doses of radiation therapy looks like..if all this does'nt work.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2009 14:01

Regarding these attacks in Lahore, some thoughts:

These bombings went on in Lahore proper. What are the chances, that these attacks were conducted by ISI themselves.

The one thing that Pakistan, and ISI need most, is American faith in them. Just like Pakistan keeps on repeating about over 20000000 soldiers it has lost in WoT, whereas we know that was only Frontier Corps/Constabulary cannon fodder of badly equipped Pushtuns; it is possible, that this attack in Lahore was perpetrated, simply to point out to the Americans, that ISI is also being attacked by Taliban and Jihadis, next time the Americans express doubts about the integrity of ISI, about its duplicity, etc.

These things have a bearing on whether the Pakistanis get drone technology or not, whether they get prior knowledge of American targets in Fata, whether the Americans buy into Pakistani arguments of including the Good Taliban in any new Afghan solution, whether India is allowed to play a role in Afghanistan or Paki concerns are taken care of, what the quantity of aid to Pakistan should be, whether any conditions will be attached to it, etc, etc.

All these issues depend on American trust of Pakistanis and that depends on American trust of ISI. Lately there were calls that ISI should be disbanded. According to Pakis, this needs to be avoided.

What better way of proving it by getting a few Jihadis to attack ISI buildings. It doesn't matter if the casualties are a few Pakjabi thullas and a few Abduls. The more the casualties, the more credible it appears.

A small price to pay for saving ISI and getting more Baksheesh and Protection from America.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 16:21

harbans wrote:Pukes ultimately might need much greater doses of radiation therapy . . .

I am sure they will get it one day.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 May 2009 16:35

Frontline (PBS) Report: Pakistan - Children of the Taliban
Report by Chinoy

Further down is a typical "head-in-the-sand" comment by a "patriot" (Read the entire diatribe for a few good laughs):

Lahore, Pakistan

I am really surprised to read such a concocted story. First of all, so-called Taliban in Swat or Pakistan are not Pakistanis and not Muslims. As, Islam prohibits killing of people human beings . In Islam killing of one person is killing a whole humanity, and saving one person is like saving the whole human race. So Islam is the only religion in the World that condemns any type of killing, destruction or bombing.

Question is who are the people committing all those inhuman crimes in Swat? Answer is very simple that those people do not wish to see Pakistan be developed and a prosperous country. Pakistan is going through a transition and the people of Pakistan sacrificing their lives to develop a great Pakistan. Every developed country had to face such grim realities to transform into a developed or prosperous country.

(Of course, how can one fail to mention India's faults) In India mass killing of Muslims, Christians and Sikhs happened at a large scale, especially Ahmad abad, Gujrat and Babri Mosque incidents are a matter of grave concern.

In this 21st century there is a Society in America lives in the form of tribe in Pennsylvania, called as Amish tribe . They do not like modernism. They don not have electricity, gas, automobiles, television, radio, fridge or other developments of today world. Even the leader of Amish society few decades back convinced more than 100 people for a mass suicide.

Anything can happen in America, UK, India; Israel is not shown on TV channels as it is shown when a little thing happened in the Muslim world especially in Pakistan. For example, a case of Mukhtara Mai was hyped in the national and international media on a large scale. In the USA every second case in the federal court is based on women abuse, there are thousands of Mukhtara Mais in developed world. On all Internet websites, people can easily find xxx ***** movies of INDIA, USA, UK, CANADA, ITALY, Japan, and other developed countries, but no one can find any such movies among Muslim country.

This is where the shoe pinches. Today the developed world believes that it has to destroy the family system in the Muslim world, especially in Pakistan, which is a nuclear power in the world after just 50 years of its existence. It is teeming with extremely skillful and talented social capital. They wish to demoralize Pakistani people and ultimately pushed them towards disappointment.

The only hurdle in the development of Pakistan is leadership that belongs to few turncoats.

Pakistan is the most developed country in the history of the world in its first 50 years. The others are scare of its talent and early developments. I assure the world that Pakistani people are mostly loving, peaceful, honest, sincere and kind hearted. There are few otherwise that are unfortunately sitting in government.

There you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 16:43

How a jilted Karachi woman saved the Pak Nuclear programme

. . . a young woman college lecturer, feeling betrayed after a romance with a nuclear scientist of the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP), had given a lead to the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in 1978, which in turn had led to the dramatic arrest of 12 Pakistani scientists and engineers, planning to sabotage Pakistan’s nuclear sites at the behest of a superpower. . . The startling spy ring was exposed by this female college lecturer of a Karachi Memon family to the then head of ISI Sindh Brig Imtiaz Ahmed (Operation Midnight Jackals fame). . . Brig (retd) Imtiaz Ahmed broke his silence of over 30 years to share this amazing operation with The News on the eve of the 11th annual celebration of Pakistan going nuclear. . . .Brig Imtiaz was happy to unearth such a big conspiracy for which he was later decorated with a Tamgha-e-Basalat by the president of Pakistan{Tamgha...Tonga ?}

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 28 May 2009 17:06

RajeshA wrote:Regarding these attacks in Lahore, some thoughts:

These bombings went on in Lahore proper. What are the chances, that these attacks were conducted by ISI themselves.

The one thing that Pakistan, and ISI need most, is American faith in them. Just like Pakistan keeps on repeating about over 20000000 soldiers it has lost in WoT, whereas we know that was only Frontier Corps/Constabulary cannon fodder of badly equipped Pushtuns; it is possible, that this attack in Lahore was perpetrated, simply to point out to the Americans, that ISI is also being attacked by Taliban and Jihadis, next time the Americans express doubts about the integrity of ISI, about its duplicity, etc.

These things have a bearing on whether the Pakistanis get drone technology or not, whether they get prior knowledge of American targets in Fata, whether the Americans buy into Pakistani arguments of including the Good Taliban in any new Afghan solution, whether India is allowed to play a role in Afghanistan or Paki concerns are taken care of, what the quantity of aid to Pakistan should be, whether any conditions will be attached to it, etc, etc.

All these issues depend on American trust of Pakistanis and that depends on American trust of ISI. Lately there were calls that ISI should be disbanded. According to Pakis, this needs to be avoided.

What better way of proving it by getting a few Jihadis to attack ISI buildings. It doesn't matter if the casualties are a few Pakjabi thullas and a few Abduls. The more the casualties, the more credible it appears.

A small price to pay for saving ISI and getting more Baksheesh and Protection from America.

RajeshAji, the americans know it pretty well about how isi is milking them,I am sure everyone else knows it. Americans also know about the soviet connection(between cia and isi),and everyone knows about it .They were americans who created taliban and preceding mujahideens and also the present form of isi,ssg etc institutions were also forged by americans,and again everyone knows about it ,
likewise pakistan cannot play american game with america,is what we are neglecting each and every day ,adding to the psyops played so beautifully by american controlled media.
we tend to shout ,post and express emotions,so that the americans somehow understand that they are doing a mistake, but still not knowing or neglecting that they know it all,
in that confusion we tend to over hype the events and ask something that is not needed or is again impractical.
like in posts above, some members are posting that there should be a joint mechanism between america,nato and India to tackle a bunch of dacoit ,called taliban.
aren't we over hyping this whole talibani mess and saying blah blah about pakiland nonstop 24x7 and later complain that americans are not doing anything in our favour or doing too much for pakistanis?and still cant figure out what's the real game of the americans.?
i know my post will be buried under the load of neglect,under so many posts, but those who know the ground reality ,it is just another one.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 May 2009 17:06

And, what did the jilted women get?

adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 28 May 2009 17:10

Shahzad on the blasts:

Al-Qaeda strikes back in Lahore

However, the real trigger for the Lahore attack, planned by more than two Pakistani groups, was the recent clampdown on a major al-Qaeda sanctuary in Mohmand Agency.
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Al-Qaeda also has sanctuaries in Bajaur Agency, which, like Mohmand, borders the Afghan provinces of Kunar and Nooristan. Top al-Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden and his deputy Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, have been seen in these regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan. The capture of the Saudis shows a real hostile gesture by Pakistan against al-Qaeda's most high-profile sanctuary.

As a result, the Lahore operation was planned and financed by al-Qaeda. The Jundul Fida group led by veteran Kashmiri guerrilla commander Ilyas Kashmiri provided logistic support and militants linked with Baitullah Mehsud were used in the suicide mission.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 17:28

No sensitive nuclear technology to Pak: Western Diplomats

France has offered to aid Pakistan only in the field of nuclear safety and the proposal does not include any provision to transfer sensitive atomic technology or know-how, diplomatic sources said.

Recent talks between President Asif Ali Zardari and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy centred around cooperation only in the field of nuclear safety and no offer was made for transferring civilian nuclear technology to Pakistan, Western diplomatic sources, familiar with the discussions, said.

"It took almost 10 years to finalise the civilian nuclear deal for India when most countries did not have any concerns about it (in relation to the issue of nuclear proliferation)," a diplomatic source told PTI.

In the case of Pakistan, there are too many concerns, the source said.

"One should refer to the statement issued by the French presidency, which clearly spells out the scope of the cooperation proposed by the French President."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 17:39

Samay wrote: . . .We tend to shout ,post and express emotions,so that the americans somehow understand that they are doing a mistake, but still not knowing or neglecting that they know it all, in that confusion we tend to over hype the events and ask something that is not needed or is again impractical. . . Aren't we over hyping this whole Talibani mess and saying blah blah about pakiland nonstop 24x7 and later complain that Americans are not doing anything in our favour or doing too much for Pakistanis? and still cant figure out what's the real game of the americans.?

Samay, the geo-strategic, geo-political game is quite complex and whatever meets the eye may not be real. I don't want to say anything more. No one is saying that the US is not doing anything in our favour. I do not believe that India needs favours from someone like the way, you said Pakistan does. Kindly, let us compare ourselves only with worthies.

I know my post will be buried under the load of neglect,under so many posts, but those who know the ground reality ,it is just another one.

It won't be if it is written with proper punctuation, spacing etc. It makes it difficult to read otherwise and that will surely invite 'neglect'.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 18:08

Taliban asks residents to leave Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad & Multan

Karachi is missing.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 May 2009 18:13

SSridhar, please note that the TTP has threatened cities in PAKJAB only. Hence, Karachi and other cities excluded.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 18:17

Man willing to reveal new information in the Nawaz-Musharraf case

In a one-page application, Mohammad Haroon Shaukat of the Defence Housing Authority, Lahore, said he possessed “some important information” which he wanted to share with the court “as a national duty and for the pleasure of Allah”.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 18:20

Aditya_V wrote:. . . please note that the TTP has threatened cities in PAKJAB only. Hence, Karachi and other cities excluded.

Good point. Thanks.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 28 May 2009 18:47

Phir dhamaka...............in Peshawar. Allah Bakistan is paying back. This time it was KABARI BAZAR (2nd hand bazar) from where I bought Itouch, which was looted by bunnies from American kafila.

PESHAWAR: Five persons were killed and 100 others injured in two powerful bomb blasts occurred in populated areas of Peshawar on Thursday.

The blasts occurred in Qisa Khwani and Kabari Bazar within minutes of each other.

The injured have been rushed to the nearby hospitals where emergency has been declared.

The eyewitnesses say the explosion at Qisa Khwani happened as a bomb planted in a car parked outside the market wen

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 May 2009 18:51

NRao wrote:And, what did the jilted women get?

at the very least a canadian visa...

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 May 2009 19:30

The threat is from Hakimullah Mehsud, a relative of Beitullah. Hakimullah is a charismatic and handsome chap, a born leader. He is destined for greater things. He has a loyal core following.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 May 2009 19:49

Meanwhile, it seems the transition from AfPak to PakAf to FakAp is going to be faster than anticipated

tripathi · Post by **tripathi** » 28 May 2009 19:55

Blast heard near Matni police station
Updated at: 1958 PST, Thursday, May 28, 2009
PESHAWAR: A loud explosion has been heard near Matni police station here, Geo news reported on Thursday.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 20:05

Why should they just 'hear' the blasts ? Why can't they go there and report after finding out what happened ?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2009 20:08

Why should they just 'hear' the blasts ? Why can't they go there and report after finding out what happened ?

Good observation..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 May 2009 20:25

ICC Champions Trophy

Meanwhile, the ICC has decided that income from the Pakistan-India Twenty20 match will be given to the people affected from the attack on the Sri Lankan team.

BCCI should object to that. The coach driver, who has been praised for saving the SL cricketers, was proud of his brother who died fighting Indian forces in Kashmir in jihad. Why should India & Indian players be involved in rewading such people who attack us and kill our soldiers and civilians ?

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 28 May 2009 20:29

RajeshA wrote: The one thing that Pakistan, and ISI need most, is American faith in them. Just like Pakistan keeps on repeating about over 20000000 soldiers it has lost in WoT, whereas we know that was only Frontier Corps/Constabulary cannon fodder of badly equipped Pushtuns; it is possible, that this attack in Lahore was perpetrated, simply to point out to the Americans, that ISI is also being attacked by Taliban and Jihadis, next time the Americans express doubts about the integrity of ISI, about its duplicity, etc.

There's one reason why this doesn't work.

Let's assume its true that the ISI killed its own people in order to prove to the Americans they were under attack. The Americans have been gullible enough up till now and Obama shows no sign of engaging India to participate - he wants to deal with Pakistan directly with no strings attached. American political commentators can comment all they like but policy is going to remain unchanged and as others have pointed out, ISI knows this well and has been milking this for some time now. So it seems unlikely that they would go through the trouble.

Continuing on that thought, instead of asking, "Are the ISI really fighting the Taliban?", the Americans are going to ask the next obvious question of "If the ISI is fighting the Taliban, how the hell are the Taliban attacking major cities?". The Americans already have faith in the ISI to be a professional, secular army so this attack would actually cause them to have less faith, not more.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 May 2009 20:37

NOW the Pakis are behaving like the REAL Ameri Khans.

Taliban Claim Pakistan Bomb Attack

Hours after the Pakistani government placed bounties on 21 insurgent leaders it blamed for a suicide car bombing in Lahore, Taliban groups claimed responsibility Thursday for the assault that killed at least two dozen people and wounded nearly 300.

(Aid monies being put to GOOD use.)

Now all that is missing is ................. horses and Bollywood cameras.

Go BO (Barack Obama - not his dog).

We need more confusion in Pakistan and plenty of retakes.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 May 2009 20:44

Taliban Claim Pakistan Bomb Attack

In telephone calls to Reuters and The Associated Press, a Pakistani insurgent commander, Hakimullah Mehsud, said, “We have achieved our target. We were looking for this target for a long time.”

A group calling itself Tehreek-i-Taliban Punjab, in a posting on a Turkish militant Web site, said Thursday that it had staged the assault.

In his phone call, the news agencies reported, Mr. Mehsud warned of further violent attacks.

“We want the people of Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Multan to leave those cities, as we plan major attacks against government facilities in coming days and weeks,” he said in the call to Reuters.

Soooooo ................ Uncle has another nephew that has "militants" or are they freedom fighters, too.

Is this "Punjab" Taliban something relatively new?

rsharma · Post by **rsharma** » 28 May 2009 20:52

X posting from BENIS dhaaga..

rajsunder wrote:
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... sary-hs-12

That was one of the most honest articles to have come out of Pakistani press!
May be its due to the fact that the author is probably a Parsi (surname Hoodbhoy)!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 May 2009 20:54

NRao wrote:
Taliban Claim Pakistan Bomb Attack

In telephone calls to Reuters and The Associated Press, a Pakistani insurgent commander, Hakimullah Mehsud, said, “We have achieved our target. We were looking for this target for a long time.”

A group calling itself Tehreek-i-Taliban Punjab, in a posting on a Turkish militant Web site, said Thursday that it had staged the assault.

In his phone call, the news agencies reported, Mr. Mehsud warned of further violent attacks.

“We want the people of Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Multan to leave those cities, as we plan major attacks against government facilities in coming days and weeks,” he said in the call to Reuters.
Soooooo ................ Uncle has another nephew that has "militants" or are they freedom fighters, too.

Is this "Punjab" Taliban something relatively new?

Please refer to this thread of information:

Pakiban-Origins, composition, Tactics and Leadership

The new info is Hakimullah Mehsud's nmae.

Everything is already documented there.