Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 31 May 2009 04:38

''Pakistan has reportedly addressed issues of survivability through second strike capability, possible hard and deeply buried storage and launch facilities, road-mobile missiles, air defenses around strategic sites, and concealment measures,'' the Congressional Research Service (CRS) said in a May 15 report to US lawmakers.

That is the reason for Tecsar.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 May 2009 06:35

from E-mail:

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The strategic analyst talks about India's security issues.........

US POLICY TOWARDS PAKISTAN

May 30, 2009, 3:28 PM

In the last couple of days there have been two very thought-provoking
articles in the mainstream US print media about current US Af-Pak
policy. Writing in the IHT (Friday, May 29, 2009), well known
columnist Stanley Weiss has laid out an argument that is subsumed in
the title of the piece: "Help Us or We Leave". The thrust of the piece
is that the US will leave the Af-Pak theatre if it is not assisted by
countries like India.

This is an exigency - that of the US deciding to 'quit' - that has
been discussed intensely in many fora ever since President Obama
assumed office. One school of thought opines that the Pakistani
military is certain that the US will pull out within the first Obama
term (the assumption that he will contest and win a second term) and
hence the reticence to really fight the Taliban. The IHT piece may
influence thinking within the US and in the region. I discussed this
Weiss article today with Mr. K Subrahmanyam - the guru of the Indian
strategic community and here is a summary of his response.

'The threat held out in the Weiss article does not sound very
credible. Hypothetically If India were to offer three army divisions
to fight in Afghanistan, will the US be able to deploy them in
Afghanistan - given the Pakistani military's paranoia about India? The
fact of the matter is that the US has been sleeping with the enemy
-Pakistan. Post 9-11 and the US military action in the region, the
Pakistan Army's objective under Gen. Musharraf was to save the Al
Qaeda and provide it a safe-haven. Its second objective was to nurture
the Taliban and its associated Jehadi organizations. For eight years
the Pak GHQ had all these activities financed at the US tax-payers'
expense. As Bruce Riedel has pointed out, the US under President Bush
allowed itself to be taken for a ride. For this none else can be
blamed. Of course in the process Pakistan created for itself a
Frankenstein as was foreseen by many and those Taliban chickens are
now coming home to roost.'

Furthermore, KS added, : ' Is the US today prepared to consult on a
strategy to contain Pakistan and deal with Al Qaeda and Taliban and
save democracy in that country along with India and Russia , the two
democracies interested in achieving such a result.? Will the US ask
China to stop its continuing nuclear proliferation to Pakistan in
terms of Plutonium production and additional reactors? Will the US
talk to Iran about containing Pakistan? The problem today is not about
fighting a war against a somewhat depleted Al Qaeda but to deal with
the Frankenstein that Pakistan created for itself with US acquiescence
over the last eight years. Obama has got it right as far as the
assessment of the issue is concerned - though he is yet to derive the
right strategy to deal with this complex threat.'

It is significant that in a much longer piece in the WSJ (May 30),
Bruce Riedel, a member of the Clinton national security team and a
respected voice on South Asia makes a very candid admission: "America
needs a policy toward Pakistan and its bomb which emphasizes constancy
and consistency and an end to double standards with India."

Both these articles and KS' observations warrant wide circulation and debate.

*************************

Atleast we are on KS track on the Weiss article.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 May 2009 06:42

RajeshA wrote:
ramana wrote:TSP has strong backers. So its not in Indian interests to be belligerent at this time till they remain strong. India has to wait till the 3 1/2 friends take over the Indian enemy. And then deliver the coup de grace. premature delivery will be self goal and give opportunity for the others to intervene.

BTW, This is not my perception but of SB Chavan in the Lok Sabha in 1993.
Ramana ji,
I agree. Belligerence is not the way.

But it is important to acknowledge which actors with which actions in Pakistan are furthering India's strategic interests and and looking for 'innocent ways' like increase in troop levels on the borders, increase of pressure on Pakistan to do more against the 26/11 terrorists and others, non-interest in restarting peace process, Afghanistan diplomacy, etc. through which one could influence the happenings in Pakistan in favor of actors weakening our enemies in TSPA.

I suppose in due time, I shall understand what you mean by
- 3½ Friends of Pakistan taking over Indian enemy (I presume you mean TSPA). In what form this would manifest itself?
- coup-de-grace by India. In what form this would manifest itself?

Yes belligerence is not the answer. However that is not an excuse to not build up military forces.

By any chance have you seen the movie Mayabazar in either Telugu or Tamil? There is Hindi version too. In it someone asks Lord Krishna who is his dearest expecting him to answer Arjuna. Contrary to that they find out someone else!

Similarly our dearest in TSP are not the usual expectations.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 31 May 2009 07:10

Why not rely on our Talebjabi friends? They are sufficient to take care of the three friends of TSP. GOI can negotiate with the Talebjabis directly through a repeat of Molotov-Ribbentrop to split up TSP between the two sides. War of attrition to kick out the "influences" first. Once the field is clear, do a one on one Taleb on Taleb.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 May 2009 07:13

shaardula wrote:but why will pakistan nuke india? tsp is all about leverage of potential. if it nukes india, the cat is out of the box. then there is no leverage. the tsp emperor himself is not going to declare that he is naked.

shaardula - this is how I am beginning to see it.

The nuclear threat made by the Pakistani state is always against India. Even if jihadis take over, it will still be India at risk. In other words India gets into a situation of "Heads I lose, tails you win"

Pakistan is playing what is called as the "Chicken (you coward!) game"

This Wiki page has an explanation of the game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_(game)

The picture below (also from Wiki) illustrates the game

The various outcomes of this game can be summarized as follows:

1) Pakistan threatens nuclear war, India backs down - Pak gets 1 point, India 0
2) Pakistan threatens nuclear war, India threatens back, both back down. Both get 0
3) India threatens war/nuclear war (Jan 2002), Pak backs down,: India 1, Pak 0
4) Both get into a nuclear war - score -20 each

As indicated in Wiki - India is forced to follow what is known as a "mixed strategy". Depending on the situation, India gets to play strategy 1, 2 or 3, avoiding 4.

But there is another game being played above this IndiaPakistan game - and that game is being played by the US and China. As long as Pakistan can be helped to survive, they will not harm their supporters (US, China) and will only threaten India.

This game gets destroyed if the Taliban/Al Qaeda or jihadis get nukes. Pakistani nukes will then be directed at India and the US (and other states).

For India it is an advantage to make sure that nukes fall into the hands of the Taliban.

Pakistan has a limited number of nukes. If even a few of them are directed at the US/West - it will be that many nukes fewer directed at India. Also the seriousness of dealing with nukes, as opposed to bribing Pakistan will need to dawn on the US and China.

Right now the US and China are enjoying themselves keeping Pakistan afloat, so that its rivalry with India keeps its nukes safe in Army hands.

India does not need this. The Taliban must get nukes.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 31 May 2009 07:21

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2009-week ... pol1.htm#2

Launching Pakistan into cyber age

TNS: What is the status of software development in Pakistan?

JA: Pakistan's IT and ITES industry has been growing at a rate of 40-50 percent per annum for the last five years. According to research conducted for P@SHA by Technomics, a UK Consulting firm, the overall industry size is $2 billion, of which exports constitute almost half. There has been a 41 percent growth in employment and the number of women in the industry has grown by almost 14 percent. The larger companies are generating $15-20 million in revenue and their growth rate is around 30 percent per annum. However, this growth is overshadowed by that of India, though the situation is very different in the two countries. India is a much bigger country than Pakistan and, thus, it has the 'first mover' advantage. The former has also invested heavily in education, especially in the areas of engineering and mathematics. There is a lot of turmoil in India, but it is good at image building and crisis management. It has also been able to distract investors and customers with the likes of the 'India Shining' campaign. However, rapid growth has resulted in enormous weak links in the Indian IT sector. Unfortunately, the country has failed to work on its image building. Hence, ev whatver happens in Pakistan is blown out of proportion and people forget about the expertise that exists here. This is because we are still a small and growing sector compared with giants like China and India. Moreover, many Pakistani companies have had to open up their offices in China, Malaysia, the UAE and the US to serve their customers better, and to provide a business continuity and disaster recovery option. What we need is public relations offices around the world, so that the positive work done by Pakistani IT and ITES companies could be properly advertised and marketed.

TNS: Where does Pakistan stand in software development and export?

JA: Pakistan has been developing world class software for the local and international market, for the financial, telecom, retail and insurance sectors, in addition to providing business processing outsourcing (BPO) services, system integration expertise and consultancy services. To name a few, the Karachi-based Etilize is one of the largest content management companies in the world; Mixit Technologies provides solutions that are running on the New York Stock Exchange and more than 250 other brokerage houses in the United States; the Lahore-based Sofizar earns revenues of over $25 million per annum; Systems Ltd continues to reinvent itself to offer solutions to the apparel, mortgage, insurance and government sectors; Techlogix has offices in Karachi, Lahore, China, Dubai and Boston and clients such as General Electrics; PixSense has customers such as Vodaphone, China Mobile and Telenor; Folio 3 has produced a successful environment like Secretbuilders.com; Trango Interactive has created an animated series for the Discovery Channel; TPS has changed the way the financial sector interacts with its customers; Scrybe has been interesting enough for Adobe to take a stake in it; and websites like Brightspyre and Rozee.pk have changed the way recruitment is done. Many others like GeniTeam, Chopal, See'nReport and Confiz are providing solutions for iPhone, Android, Blackberry Storm, etc.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 31 May 2009 07:22

'Without nukes, Pak won't have survived'

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 May 2009 08:03

brihaspati wrote:Why not rely on our Talebjabi friends? They are sufficient to take care of the three friends of TSP. GOI can negotiate with the Talebjabis directly through a repeat of Molotov-Ribbentrop to split up TSP between the two sides. War of attrition to kick out the "influences" first. Once the field is clear, do a one on one Taleb on Taleb.

Most cost effective as well most efficient way to put noose on Pakiland. Pakjabis fears about superior Pushtoon looking for ashnas in Pakjab will panic them ,act irrational and hasten the demise.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2009 08:05

aryank wrote:CIA plans to split India by 2015

aryank, why is this posted here. Please take it to the India-US thread. I will shortly delete it here.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2009 08:12

Public support for US declining in Pakistan: Petraeus

duh

aryank · Post by **aryank** » 31 May 2009 08:13

SSridhar wrote:
aryank wrote:CIA plans to split India by 2015
aryank, why is this posted here. Please take it to the India-US thread. I will shortly delete it here.

I will post it in India-US thread.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 31 May 2009 08:19

VinodTK wrote:'Without nukes, Pak won't have survived'

Vinod ji, the link appears broken, please check...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 May 2009 09:40

Iran summons Pak envoy regarding Jandullah's bombing of the mosque

According to the state television, the chief of the Iranian armed forces, General Hassan Firouzabadi, said on Saturday that Iran “has located the base of the group’s head and informed Pakistan’s government of his arrest”.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 31 May 2009 09:56

brihaspati wrote:Why not rely on our Talebjabi friends? They are sufficient to take care of the three friends of TSP. GOI can negotiate with the Talebjabis directly through a repeat of Molotov-Ribbentrop to split up TSP between the two sides. War of attrition to kick out the "influences" first. Once the field is clear, do a one on one Taleb on Taleb.

Pakis are already

about this loudly for some time...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 31 May 2009 10:24

VinodTK wrote:'Without nukes, Pak won't have survived'

Absolutely, no doubt about this. TSP has shown the world that if one possesses nukes, it can commit any crime, it can harbour terrorirts, it is befreinded by the mighty super power, and it renders a behemoth India, 7 times its size and enormously more resourceful -- impotent. Now its India's turn to show that nukes or no nukes a terrorist abomination like TSP must be brought to justice. There is this saying that one's claim to fame depends on the opportunities and circumstances one finds himself/herself in. Likewise, apart from national survival, if India really wants to be a "global superpower of the 21st century" more in substance than in form, now is the time to take on TSP; not through the piss process, but on the diplomatic/military battlefield.

Tilak · Post by **Tilak** » 31 May 2009 10:33

Pakistan boosts bounty on Swat Taliban leader Fazlullah
By Bill RoggioMay 29, 2009 11:35 AM

The Pakistani government has drastically raised the bounty for Swat Taliban chieftain Mullah Fazlullah and a host of leaders operating in the insurgency-plagued district in the Northwest Frontier Province. The move comes as the military claims to have secured the Taliban stronghold of Peochar and to be close to overtaking the main town of Mingora.

The bounty for Fazlullah, which was announced yesterday, was increased from 5 million rupees ($61,650) to 50 million rupees ($616,500). The government also announced bounties for 20 other Swat Taliban leaders, including top tier leaders Muslim Khan, Shah Doran, and Ibn Amin, who have 15 million rupee ($185,000) bounties on their heads.

Muslim Khan is a Taliban spokesman and a senior military commander in the main town of Mingora. Shah Doran is Fazlullah's deputy who is notorious for preaching radical anti-government sermons on the Taliban's radio programs. Ibn Amin is the leader of the Tora Bora Brigade, one of the six known brigades in al Qaeda's paramilitary Shadow Army. The Tora Bora Brigade has an estimated 1,500 fighters and participated in the invasion of neighboring Buner [see LWJ report, Terrorists rally in Swat, march through region].

The government distributed fliers with photos of 18 of the commanders and urged residents of Swat to turn the men in. Other Taliban leaders identified on the poster include Mehmood Khan, Akbar Hussain, Sher Muhammad Kasab, Sirajuddin, Bakht Farzand, Mian Gul Ghafoor, Nisar Ahmed, Laldin (also known as Baray Mian), Anwarullah, Bashir Ahmed, and Rashid Ahmed.

The government has not released bounties for senior Taliban leaders such as Baitullah Mehsud, Hakeemullah Mehsud, Qari Hussain Mehsud, Faqir Mohammed, Omar Khalid, and others, despite their being active in targeting security forces and conducting terror attacks against civilian and military targets alike.

Swat Taliban commanders appear to have escaped the Swat offensive

The bounty on Fazlullah was raised one day after Iftikhar Hussain, the Information Minister for the Northwest Frontier Province, announced that Fazlullah and several other Taliban commanders were killed during the ongoing Swat operation. But there is no evidence that Fazlullah is dead, and in fact the military denied today he was killed during the operation.

So far, the military has claimed that four significant Taliban commanders have been killed in Swat since the operation began in the beginning of May. On May 21, the military claimed a commander named Abu Tariq was killed. But Abu Tariq, who is actually Swat Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan, talked to the media that same day and has since granted several interviews. Khan also doubles as a Taliban military commander in Mingora.

The military also claimed another commander named Rashid Lala was killed during a clash in Mingora. On May 21, Lala contacted the news media to prove he wasn't killed. Both Khan and Lala serve as "general officer equivalents" in the Swat Taliban military, a senior US military intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

Two other commanders named Malanga and Riaz were reported killed on May 18 during fighting in Takhtaband near Mingora. The military claimed it has the body of Malanga. The Taliban have neither confirmed nor denied their deaths.

The Pakistani military and government have a poor record for accuracy in reporting the deaths of Taliban and al Qaeda leaders. Since January 2008, nine senior al Qaeda and Taliban leaders have been reported killed inside Pakistan. But of those nine, only three have been confirmed dead.

Moreover, all three of the dead al Qaeda leaders were killed in US cross-border Predator airstrikes, not during Pakistani offensive operations. The other six leaders that Pakistani sources have reported as killed (Ayman al Zawahiri, Baitullah Mehsud, Faqir Mohammed, Mustafa Abu Yazid, Adam Gadahn, and Qari Hussain Mehsud) have appeared, after their reported deaths, in the media or on al Qaeda propaganda tapes.

From LWJ :

Full List from Nawa-E-Waqt (Nation) :

Top to Bottom(Left to Right):
Fazlullah(No: 9), Muslim Khan(No: 8 ), Shah Doran(?), Ibn Amin(?), Mehmood Khan(?), Akbar Hussain(?), Sher Muhammad Kasab(?), Sirajuddin(?), Bakht Farzand(?), Mian Gul Ghafoor(?), Nisar Ahmed(?), Laldin (also known as Baray Mian)(?), Anwarullah(?), Bashir Ahmed(?), and Rashid Ahmed(?).

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 31 May 2009 11:22

The problem and dillema for India is that propaganda/psychological warfare against Pakistan is not being waged very successfully. I believe the propaganda/psych warfare is more effective in demoralizing and defeating the enemy than real armed combat. But India's both arms are seriously tied in this area.

If India wants to seriously engage in the psych war against Pakistan eventually Indian planners will have to cross the sacred line and touch the subject of Islam. However, they cannot cross that line because it would inflame the Indian Muslims or at least it would be unpalatable to the IM. Thus, India is handicapped and had to rely on the only way possible to engage against Pakistan. In another words stand and take the many little blows and if the enemy gets more adventurous then use the minimum other means to counter him.

Eventually this dilema is going to infect the whole world. The Islamic Jihadis and other assorted Ummah forces would have almost free hand in causing mayhem but the re-action of the Kaffir forces would be handicapped due to their concern for the sensitivity of the Muslims. I am sure this cannot last too long because a thresold would eventually be crossed when the entire kaffir world is going to be pissed off big time and would band together for a finaly "solution".

Sadly, it is not only the fringe elements of the Ummah who are helping in setting the stage for this outcome but the secular forces and their intellectual and government leaders are equally guilty of it. It would be far less bloody if strong and effective propaganda / psychological / ideological warfare is conducted now and neuter the Jihadist / expansionist tendencies of Islam than to engage in mass killings at a future date. In my opinion it would be a lot more desirable to be blunt and be insensitive to the sentiments of Muslims now and help in the neutering program instead of a very vicious and bloody warefare in the future. What may seem like insensitive now would actually save lives especially Muslims lives later.

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 31 May 2009 12:52

SWAT secured

The military spokesman said the weapons recovered from militant strongholds included weaponry of American, Russian and Indian origin.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 31 May 2009 15:19

"the Lahore-based Sofizar earns revenues of over $25 million per annum; Systems Ltd continues to reinvent itself to offer solutions "

Sofizar sells ticekts for small time events, thru web. So this is mostly an e-commerce revenue rather than IT revenue. it's like saying IRCTC is $800mn IT company, as it sell InRailway tickets on web.

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vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 31 May 2009 15:32

Word in the basement is that on the lines of the ultra successful Anjem Chaudhary led Al Mujahiron in UKstan, TSP will now set up its own counterpart in TSP, aptly titled Al mujrahijron onlee.....

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 31 May 2009 15:58

aptly titled Al mujrahijron onlee...

I miss BENIS dhaaga, wat happened to it??

EDIT: Found it, its in the General discussion forum, was nt aware of the new forum...

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 31 May 2009 15:59

Sofizar sells ticekts for small time events, thru web. So this is mostly an e-commerce revenue rather than IT revenue. it's like saying IRCTC is $800mn IT company, as it sell InRailway tickets on w

AoA, you missed the fact that the Paki IT industry is the fastest growing in the world as they are populating places on Google in Pakistan the fastest amongst all the countries in the world!

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 May 2009 16:39

Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 31 May 2009 16:45

raghunath wrote:Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar

I am stunned that Delhi is stunned. its not as if UKstani duplicity (less said about PRC the better) is a brand new phenomenon. And our hardened babucracy, institutional memory and all that, should have known better. I suspect they knew all along. The surprise is that its coming out into the open onlee.

Good.

Open hostility we can deal with zimbly because delusions are dispelled, reality sinks in even among the WKK types, an enduring establishment consensus becomes easier to forge, and deliberate, concerted action becomes possible.

Events must be marching towards some end game for cards to be revealed like this. Just hope GoI doesn't get surprised anymore as we go forward from here.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 31 May 2009 17:09

Good that UKstanis came in the open, the WKKs will now be furious for having been let down. For us though, it comes as no surprise. Britain is digging its own grave & as they say never disturb your enemy when he's committing a mistake.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 May 2009 17:10

vsudhir wrote:
raghunath wrote:Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar
I am stunned that Delhi is stunned. its not as if UKstani duplicity

Shhh. Don't say such things. If you need to speak up about Western duplicity do in in the General Discussion Forum which is hidden from the prying eyes of those who are not logged in.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 May 2009 17:13

raghunath wrote:Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar

This is indeed good news. It is high time New Delhi learns that power and justice comes to the strong and not to the right and just. This UK stalling would go a long way to cut modern India's umbilical cord to UK, and allow us to emerge as a power which seeks its validity, its justification, its values somewhere else, within us.

David Mulli-in-Bund has done India a great service, and we should be greatly indebted to this man, who could single-handedly destroy all the illusions in the minds of our Oxbridgers.

It is time to make David Mulli-in-Bund and Gordon Brown persona non-grata in India.

Coming next at the next Diwali fest near you - the Mulli-in-Bund Game. Now win fantastic prizes! Shove a mulli in the backside of the dummy of Honorable Foreign Secretary David Mulli-in-Bund! The deeper you shove, the more prizes you get.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 31 May 2009 17:35

Pakistan police raid shanty dwellings in capital

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 31 May 2009 18:01

Pak deployed 75 % of air force along Indian border post 26/11

"Over the period of time after 26/11, we saw a gradual build up of Pakistan Air Force across the area of Western Air Command (WAC) area of responsibility, close to over 75 per cent," IAF's Vice Chief-Designate Air Marshal P K Barbora told reporters here.

He, however, added that the PAF had redeployed its units to their peacetime locations now.

"The situation is not like that at present and they have all gone back to their peacetime locations," Barbora said.

Replying to a query about India's capabilities in terms of infrastructure vis-a-vis China in the northern sector, he said, "We have gone up in showing our capability in Ladakh area with the activation of Daulat Beg Oldie airfield, Fuk Che ALGs (Advanced Landing Grounds) etc. We are constructing another runway there. We also have the Sukhoi's operating from Leh... And I am sure that the friends across the border must have seen our capability."

Earlier in the day, after handing over the charge of WAC, he said, "We have started operating our fighter and transport aircraft in the night from Udhampur and increased our night operations... Because of this potential of ours, our 'friends' are quite worried."

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 31 May 2009 18:48

Poo'istan Stripped
Of holding international squash tournaments (apologies for making it seem like something else).

Two steps back

The Professional Squash Association has acted rather unprofessionally and deprived Pakistan of holding international tournaments due to security reasons. The news has taken squash lovers by complete surprise.

The PSA is a body of professional squash players, which enjoys the power of giving ranking status to international tournaments depending on the prize money. However, one cannot help but find its decision both unkindly and unwisely, considering that squash is an indoor game and not like hockey, cricket or football, which are hard to manage as far as security is concerned. (in other words, this writer agrees with the whole world cup cricket issue)

I guess he does:

While on the one hand, one can understand that a major reason for the disapproval must have been the March 5th attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, because of which the two most popular outdoor games — cricket and hockey — have suffered heavily as foreign teams refused to tour Pakistan expressing security concerns and all match venues were shifted from Pakistan to other countries. But on the other hand, squash is a different ball game altogether.

The news has taken squash lovers by complete surprise.

The five annual Pakistani tournaments that have lost their ranking status are Chief of the Army Staff Open, Chief of the Air Staff Open, Chief of the Naval Staff Open (each event carrying a cash prize of $25,000), along with Pakistan Open, a super series event with a cash prize of $80,000, as well as the PSF President Cup ($12,000). (that's a lot of mullah...er...Moolah)

Pooistani players will suffer the most as all the five tournaments will now be domestic events with no international ranking points.

This year’s world ranking for the month of May is virtually dominated by Egyptians. (So?)

It is high time that the PSA revised its decision of delisting international ranking tournaments in Pakistan as there is a strong possibility that players from Egypt, Malaysia, Qatar and other countries would love to compete in Pakistan, more for the love of the game than for any other reason. (Oh, OK!)

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 31 May 2009 18:56

harbans wrote:AoA, you missed the fact that the Paki IT industry is the fastest growing in the world as they are populating places on Google in Pakistan the fastest amongst all the countries in the world!

What about this statement:

Mixit Technologies provides solutions that are running on the New York Stock Exchange and more than 250 other brokerage houses in the United States;

Makes it sound like NYSE and 250 other brokerages run on poo'istani software solutions. Pooistani siftware makes the world go around!! Unfounded hubris.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 May 2009 19:11

raghunath wrote:Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar

This move by the UK has more to do with their own fear of Islamists within the UK. If one notices they have been very careful not to tread on an Islamists toes. A country that has gone to the extent of making a TV PR video to convince Pakistanis not to attack the UK has to take such actions. The instinct for self survival is always very high.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 31 May 2009 19:34

Marvi Memon Meandering around a Mall in the Metropolis of Minneapolis in Minnesota.

Crisis in Pakistan: In Minnesota, experts express worries and warnings

it offends Memon to hear Obama talk about Pakistan and Afghanistan in the same breath. "It whips up the sentiment that Pakistan and Afghanistan are on the same levels," she said. "Pakistan is a nuclear state. Pakistan is battling Talibans. Pakistan does not want to be put in the same category as Afghanistan."

"Yes we are obsessed with India, but we are rationally obsessed. India has actually sent infiltrators and agents into Pakistan to destabilize areas. …. So yes, India is an issue, and it will continue to be until you resolve the Kashmir conflict."

"Please give us the drones, and we will man them ourselves," Memon said. "We don't wish to have you involved in droning our lands because you are not respecting our sovereignty."

"Nobody talks about the nukes in India, but the West has an obsession with our nukes. And the West needs to get rid of its fears about Pakistan's nukes because the Pakistani armed forces are fully capable of securing our nuclear assets and as a parliamentarian I have full faith that they will do so."

sum · Post by **sum** » 31 May 2009 19:37

Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar

IIRC, it is only the newspaper journo who is stunned..

Im certain that the relevant babus/netas are under no illusions and have already factored all this. Or have they?

This move by the UK has more to do with their own fear of Islamists within the UK. If one notices they have been very careful not to tread on an Islamists toes. A country that has gone to the extent of making a TV PR video to convince Pakistanis not to attack the UK has to take such actions. The instinct for self survival is always very high.

Absolutely...a country so dhimmi to make videos asking not to attack them cannot be considered brave enough to ban a big guy like the JeM chief who will have massive following in Londonistan.

Sad that this is the country which taught the world on conducting special ops....

sum · Post by **sum** » 31 May 2009 19:39

NDTVs pak discussions seem to be straight out of a Paki channel!!!

They have 3-4 Pakis and 3-4 American with no one to give the Indian PoV!!! Uneven Cohen was on the show and he was mentioning that US will treat Pak like it treats Egypt,i.e, pump it with money so that it stays friendly!!!

If this is Obama's new policy, India is in for a rough time ahead...

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 May 2009 19:40

A nation up for grabs

Yet a loss of nuclear arms into jihadi hands is not the only fear emerging about a Taliban victory in the beleaguered country of 170 million people. Scant attention is being aired in Washington about what a Talibanized Pakistan would entail for the United States. The defeat of a U.S.-allied Pakistan by the Taliban would rank with the surrender of France to the Nazi armies in 1940 or even the communist takeover of China in 1949. Many in those times thought such defeats impossible, too.

A Pakistani catastrophe would dwarf the overthrow of the Pahlavi monarchy in Iran in 1979 by Islamic revolutionaries who replaced a pro-American monarchy with a hostile anti-American theocracy that spreads terrorism and works to build nuclear weapons. A Taliban triumph in Pakistan would profoundly transform the global geopolitical landscape in some anticipated manifestations and many unexpected dimensions.

India and its disputed Kashmir occupation would be a front-line state against a Taliban Pakistan. New Delhi might be forced to invade to take possession of Pakistan's nuclear arms.

Thomas H. Henriksen is a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. His most recent book is "American Power after the Berlin Wall"

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 May 2009 19:43

New Delhi sees Pakistan as a strategic partner: SM Krishna

‘Whether you refer to Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal or our immediate big neighbour China. We have our problems but we also have our lasting friendship with all of them,’ Mr Krishna told CNN-IBN news channel.

‘We want a strategic partnership with all these countries so that we can live in peace. Development could be our mantra or the engine, which will drive us.

raji · Post by **raji** » 31 May 2009 19:46

RajeshA wrote:
raghunath wrote:Delhi stunned:UK and China stall move to blacklist Masood Azhar
This is indeed good news. It is high time New Delhi learns that power and justice comes to the strong and not to the right and just. This UK stalling would go a long way to cut modern India's umbilical cord to UK, and allow us to emerge as a power which seeks its validity, its justification, its values somewhere else, within us.

David Mulli-in-Bund has done India a great service, and we should be greatly indebted to this man, who could single-handedly destroy all the illusions in the minds of our Oxbridgers.

It is time to make David Mulli-in-Bund and Gordon Brown persona non-grata in India.

Coming next at the next Diwali fest near you - the Mulli-in-Bund Game. Now win fantastic prizes! Shove a mulli in the backside of the dummy of Honorable Foreign Secretary David Mulli-in-Bund! The deeper you shove, the more prizes you get.

Why is it good news ? Because now, by New Delhi, you mean the Indian Govt will realize that power and justice come to the strong.

Thats a joke. This is the oldest principle of humanity. Those who realize it, already know it, and have always known it. Those that dont, this will not open their eyes. Cause.......you can wake up a sleeping man, but never a man who is pretending to be asleep......New Delhi is only pretending to be asleep.....nothing will shake them off their slumber...

Indian government has no shame.........they cant be shamed into action. Indian people in general have proven to be no better or else they would ask for accountability from their government........worse yet....I think most Indians in general no longer worry about the Paki threat anyway......they are too busy plotting how to steal.....

sum · Post by **sum** » 31 May 2009 19:48

I think most Indians in general no longer worry about the Paki threat anyway......they are too busy plotting how to steal.....

Steal what?

raji · Post by **raji** » 31 May 2009 19:50

asprinzl wrote:The problem and dillema for India is that propaganda/psychological warfare against Pakistan is not being waged very successfully. I believe the propaganda/psych warfare is more effective in demoralizing and defeating the enemy than real armed combat. But India's both arms are seriously tied in this area.

If India wants to seriously engage in the psych war against Pakistan eventually Indian planners will have to cross the sacred line and touch the subject of Islam. However, they cannot cross that line because it would inflame the Indian Muslims or at least it would be unpalatable to the IM. Thus, India is handicapped and had to rely on the only way possible to engage against Pakistan. In another words stand and take the many little blows and if the enemy gets more adventurous then use the minimum other means to counter him.

Eventually this dilema is going to infect the whole world. The Islamic Jihadis and other assorted Ummah forces would have almost free hand in causing mayhem but the re-action of the Kaffir forces would be handicapped due to their concern for the sensitivity of the Muslims. I am sure this cannot last too long because a thresold would eventually be crossed when the entire kaffir world is going to be pissed off big time and would band together for a finaly "solution".

Sadly, it is not only the fringe elements of the Ummah who are helping in setting the stage for this outcome but the secular forces and their intellectual and government leaders are equally guilty of it. It would be far less bloody if strong and effective propaganda / psychological / ideological warfare is conducted now and neuter the Jihadist / expansionist tendencies of Islam than to engage in mass killings at a future date. In my opinion it would be a lot more desirable to be blunt and be insensitive to the sentiments of Muslims now and help in the neutering program instead of a very vicious and bloody warefare in the future. What may seem like insensitive now would actually save lives especially Muslims lives later.

Aspy,

You are right. But only partially. The real reason why Indian government's psyops are not effective is because none of the other things, such as diplomacy, military preparedness etc are any more effective. In other words, Indian government is not effective in any area, period. The reason is that Indians as a people dont have their priorities straight, and fighting Pak and Islam is not a priority for them. Collecting and gathering money by any means to the exclusion of all other priorities is the top and only priority for an average Indian today......