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Hafeez Saeed's detention was a violation of the constitution: Lahore HC

A Pakistani judge, especially the one that took oath under the PCO of Musharraf twice, talks about Constitution !
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detention or no detention , it made little difference to start with - activities continued like any other day in Pukiland.

Extremely hard to have any sort of sympathy for any Puki citizen.
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With Hafiz Saeed's release, it would be the perfect time to consider the scrapping of IWT, and place a couple of more attack divisions in Kashmir, on the LoC and on the international border.
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Aaaandddd ............ Hafiz Saeeds release is all India's fault :x :

Pak blames India for Hafiz Saeed's release
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Nothing surprising. Hafeez Saeed is a true blue-blood Agmark ISI (pun intended) product. How can he ever be in harm's way ? He was similarly released in 2002 after being held in a similar fashion.

Added Later: We have to wait to see what sham reasons the court gave to release him
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US, Israel creating rift between India & Pak: Col Qadhafi

Is he still a Col ?
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi believes that it is the US and Israel which is creating sharp differences between India and Pakistan,
so that the latter could not target its "Muslim bomb" against the West.

"The Pakistanis are told that their enemy is the Hindus, not the Jews or Christians, and therefore their bomb should be directed towards them, the Pakistanis' immediate enemy, and not anyone else," he wrote in The Washington Times.

Similarly, the Indians are led to believe their real enemy is Pakistan and that the Pakistani bomb was directed toward them rather than the Israelis or Americans, :roll: Gadhafi said in an opinion piece published last week.

"This policy aims to preoccupy Pakistan with India and India with Pakistan. Perhaps this is why America has not been willing to contribute to solving the Kashmiri problem, whereas the Israelis will try to keep it always flammable," he said.

If Islamic extremist affiliated to al-Qaida leader Osama Bin Laden governed Pakistan, which is a possibility.

"If any of these extremist groups were to hold power, the key to the nuclear bomb would be in their hands. This has created the Pakistani quagmire for the Americans and Israelis. To address this potentially dangerous situation, they have attempted to further drive a wedge of hostility between Pakistan and neighbouring India," Gadhafi said.

"Truly, the Pakistani nuclear bomb is a Muslim bomb," he wrote in his piece.
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Hafiz Saeed's release will hopefully help in drowning the WKK, US and GoI forgive-and-forget-wallahs (FaF-Wallahs/Lafahfas) calls and moves to get back to peace talks with Pakistan.

Next time a WKK opens his/her mouth, one doesn't need to waste hours in explaining how and why it is all stupid. It would suffice to say, Mumbai 26/11 and Hafiz Saeed's Release. The time the nationalists save by not having to fight the WKKs in the media, can be spent more usefully in doing something against Pakistan.

Hopefully this will lead to a full collapse of the peace platform in India, pushing the GoI to also take a harsher stance, a stance not depending on help from the Americans or the international community. From 2004 onwards, there was simply too much of bonhomie from the UPA/Congress leadership to the Pakistani establishment. Even after Mumbai 26/11 it did not go away. I hope that it will help the current leadership of Congress, to also get over their peace process inertia, and US infatuation. There is a need for the Congress too to move right on nationalism and security, and Hafiz Saeed's release and Obama's KLPD and Mulli-in-Bund's middle-finger to India helps.
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SSridhar wrote:US, Israel creating rift between India & Pak: Col Qadhafi

"Truly, the Pakistani nuclear bomb is a Muslim bomb," he wrote in his piece.
Yes, it is a true Muslim bomb. That is the reason Pakistan (kafir & Bollywood infected land) should be converted into a nuclear free zone, and all the nukes should be transferred to more Muslim Mecca and Tripoli.

The good Colonel and India should work together on this very halaal mission.
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Pakis were lying on IWT
Indus Waters Treaty Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah, while leaving for New Delhi to talk about waters shared by India and Pakistan, said that Pakistan was getting its share of waters under the Indus Treaty and that building a dam was the right of India. He said less water in Pakistani rivers was because of lack of rain, not because India had blocked it.
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:D new piss recruit from binori piss institute.

What happened to old Gaddhafi who took pleasure in hurling abuses towards 'kafir' indian soldiers from pakistani side of the border in kashmir?

Did A Q Khan dupe him with fake nuke bomb designs which led him to believe that nukes under pakistani control are also destined to fail?

And so why not save the terrorist scums by diverting attention of 'kafir' india towards 'kafir' west and israel. Let the kafirs fight with each other while these two countries can get back to old business of nuclear proliferation and actively colloborate to take terrorism to bloody new heights.
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Pak blames India for Hafiz Saeed's release

These perpetrators (past,present future)will never meet their justice, not at least in their life time,and will at least never reach the Indian soil
reason:
1. So much prestige and internal security of pakistan will be at stake

2.Isi is all about these terror minds ,they execute what isi plans

3.Cia does not want them to be in Indian hands, creating another fauj of jihadi masterminds will take time and who knows India might find a solution in between.

4. Indian politicians do not want them to be caught.

so much is at stake of the whole network of.....
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Hopefully this will lead to a full collapse of the peace platform in India, pushing the GoI to also take a harsher stance, a stance not depending on help from the Americans or the international community. From 2004 onwards, there was simply too much of bonhomie from the UPA/Congress leadership to the Pakistani establishment. Even after Mumbai 26/11 it did not go away. I hope that it will help the current leadership of Congress, to also get over their peace process inertia, and US infatuation. There is a need for the Congress too to move right on nationalism and security, and Hafiz Saeed's release and Obama's KLPD and Mulli-in-Bund's middle-finger to India helps.
No point dreaming about it but IMO, aint gonna happen..

The peace process may actually accelerate and many on BR will justify this inaction and more peace processes...
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Is South Asia emerging?
By Shahid Javed Burki
Equal-Equal dreams set to rest.
IF by ‘emerging’ we mean a geographic entity — a state or a region — that has achieved political and social stability and economic dynamism then the term cannot be applied to South Asia. It can only be used for India. :lol:
The middle class exerts its influence on many aspects of Indian life, with a taste for consumption creating a large market for luxury goods. Indian movies and writers have developed audiences and readers outside the country’s boundaries.
Nonetheless, the term “emerging” can be easily applied to India. It cannot be to the rest of South Asia. India at this time has a very troubled neighborhood. The most troubled country in the neighborhood is, of course, Pakistan. Its economy is in a freefall. The Economist in the issue cited above estimated a GDP growth rate of only 0.6 per cent for 2009 compared to five per cent for India. (5.8%?) Pakistan’s political system is showing signs of life but has a long way to go before it can become stable. Most important, the country is faced with what its senior officials have called an “existential threat”.
In contrast to the Indian society’s outlook on its country’s future is the total loss of confidence by the people of Pakistan in their future
All this raises an important issue. Can India afford to keep aloof from the rest of South Asia or does it have to help the countries around its periphery to become stable? My strong belief is that the Indians would do well to pause and reflect on how South Asia in peace and stability would help India achieve the big-power status. Without that the country could stumble.
In other words, PLEASE HELP US!
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Nanha Mujahids recovered by TSPA
All except one of the kidnapped students and staff members of Cadet College Razmak were recovered in a military operation, the Inter Services Public Relations said on Tuesday.
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anupmisra wrote:Is South Asia emerging?
By Shahid Javed Burki
Equal-Equal dreams set to rest.
IF by ‘emerging’ we mean a geographic entity — a state or a region — that has achieved political and social stability and economic dynamism then the term cannot be applied to South Asia. It can only be used for India. :lol:
The middle class exerts its influence on many aspects of Indian life, with a taste for consumption creating a large market for luxury goods. Indian movies and writers have developed audiences and readers outside the country’s boundaries.
Nonetheless, the term “emerging” can be easily applied to India. It cannot be to the rest of South Asia. India at this time has a very troubled neighborhood. The most troubled country in the neighborhood is, of course, Pakistan. Its economy is in a freefall. The Economist in the issue cited above estimated a GDP growth rate of only 0.6 per cent for 2009 compared to five per cent for India. (5.8%?) Pakistan’s political system is showing signs of life but has a long way to go before it can become stable. Most important, the country is faced with what its senior officials have called an “existential threat”.
In contrast to the Indian society’s outlook on its country’s future is the total loss of confidence by the people of Pakistan in their future
All this raises an important issue. Can India afford to keep aloof from the rest of South Asia or does it have to help the countries around its periphery to become stable? My strong belief is that the Indians would do well to pause and reflect on how South Asia in peace and stability would help India achieve the big-power status. Without that the country could stumble.
or Paapa mainey galti kardi maaf karo. Muje bachao :(( :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Pak's perfidious actions.How is the MMS-2 govt. going ton handle this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8078356.stm
Pakistan releases 'top militant'

Mr Saeed's release order has alarmed India
A Pakistani court has ordered the release of the leader of an Islamic charity suspected of being a front for a group accused of the Mumbai attacks.

A court ruled there was no reason to hold Jamaat-ud-Dawa founder Hafiz Mohammad Saeed under house arrest.

The charity is accused of being a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group India says was behind the attacks. Mr Saeed is also a founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

India has expressed its disappointment, calling the release "regrettable".

More than 170 people died in the Mumbai (Bombay) attacks last November, including nine gunmen.

A spokesman for Jamaat-ud-Dawa told the BBC that they were always confident that Mr Saeed would be vindicated.

We are unhappy that Pakistan has not shown the degree of seriousness and commitment it should have

"Our stand is clear. We have nothing to do with militancy or militants," he said.

But even though the court had ordered his release, the spokesman advised caution as to exactly when and how this might happen.

"I don't think the government is going to let it go so easily, and even if they do release Hafiz Sahib, they can always re-arrest him on some other concocted charge," he said.

Mr Saeed was placed under house arrest in December after the UN added him to a list of people and groups linked to al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

India 'unhappy'

India was swift to express its concern about Pakistan's commitment to fighting militancy following Tuesday's court order.

HAFIZ SAEED IN CUSTODY
December 2001-March 2002: Arrested and released three times after Lashkar-e-Taiba was accused of attacking Indian parliament
August - October 2006: Detained after Lashkar-e-Taiba was linked to multiple train bombs in Mumbai
December 2008 - June 2009: Placed under house arrest after Lashkar-e-Taiba was blamed for Mumbai attacks

Mumbai: A Pakistan militant link?
"We are unhappy that Pakistan has not shown the degree of seriousness and commitment it should have to bring to justice the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks," Indian Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram told reporters.

This is not the first time that Mr Saeed has been placed under house arrest following militant attacks in India - only to be subsequently released.

The BBC's Chris Morris in Islamabad says Pakistan is likely to point out that the decision to release Mr Saeed was made by an independent court.

India points out that Pakistan has taken suspects into custody in the past, only to release them when international attention turns elsewhere, our correspondent says.

In an interview with the BBC just before being placed under house arrest in December, Mr Saeed denied any connection with the Mumbai (Bombay) attacks.

But the Indian authorities say there is evidence to show that they were planned and financed by Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan. Mr Saeed has been named on the official charge sheet in connection with the Mumbai attacks.

Founded in the late 1980s, Lashkar-e-Taiba is one of most feared groups fighting against Indian control in Kashmir. After it was banned in Pakistan in 2002, the organisation divided itself into Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Lashkar-e-Taiba, correspondents say.

Mr Saeed is at the helm of Jamaat-ud-Dawa which works as an Islamic charity all over Pakistan.
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rkirankr wrote:
. . . the Indians would do well to pause and reflect on how South Asia in peace and stability would help India achieve the big-power status. Without that the country could stumble.
or Paapa mainey galti kardi maaf karo. Muje bachao
rkirankr, no, IMHO, that's not what Shahid Javed Burki (though he is a somewhat saner Pakistani) is saying. He is still threatening India that if she doesn't help Pakistan, TSP will use terror. He is saying 'pause and reflect' how successfully we have bottled you up from achieving more than what you have achieved so far. He says "we will stumble but we shall cause you a lot of problems as well".
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Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi on Pakistan, and while not reproduced in the below excerpt, elsewhere in the article makes a foray Indiawards:
GADHAFI: The Pakistan quagmire

A tangled web of regional challenges

By Moammar Gadhafi | Friday, May 29, 2009

…………………. Islam is the very foundation for the existence of Pakistan. Except for religion, there really are no other factors that unite Pakistanis. This explains why the Pakistanis are fanatic about religion :roll: . ………………........ This is not the same for other countries. China, for example, would be China with or without religion. Similarly, Iran would be the same even without religion. The same applies to Turkey. Pakistan is unique. There can be no Pakistan without Islam, as Islam was the basis for its separation from India and its raison d'etre as a state. …………….. Islam for the Pakistanis is not a question of faith only but also a question of identity. ………………….

Washington Times
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Had talk with Dilli Billi and discussion came on our fav. TSP & options GoI has or it thinks it has . Here's a summary of what i understood from his talk :

GoI under MMS did sort of a review with Defence Chiefs and as usual they put up their demands for x no. of Ruski tanks & Y no. of French jets & so on . Our MMS asked will this x & y number be sufficient to finish off the unfinished business in west & at same time counter our peaceful neighbour in East , str8 answer came yes sir without any hesitation . Then MMS asked what if Unkil also gave a certain no. of tanks & jets to TSP then some heads scratched and answer came ( after some calculations ) , we need x++++ ruski tanks & y ++++ french jets and immediately numbers went high. After such deliberations , MMS asked can we counter any new brilliant strategic move from TSPA + PLA with current level of induction ( 10-15 yr time frame to induct new weapon platform ) answer came yes but we will lost so many more soldiers & so on . In end after usual + & - its decided losing x+y soldiers will be cheaper than going in so called " arms race'' against US + PRC combine . So current GoI thinking is US + PRC determined not to allow India to have that decisive edge in conventional weaponry . So what did MMS did well we all saw what it did & will continue on same path next 5 years . MMS & co. assumptions are India need unhintered path towards economic growth till 2020 to be at a certain level where it can start to have " arms race'' against PRC+ US combine . Does it mean complete absence of new weaponry for armed forces if offensive yes , defensive no . One surprising thing , ISID is on GoI radar for some time and will be for time to come . In end , GoI's assessment from day 1 of ABV continuing MMS till now & future is its US + PRC + UK combine we are facing .So MMS feels develop economically first then often . MMS & co. also have a deep interest in intel agencies and way they look at it is refreshing . And yes TSP will be here till 2020 again MMS & co. assumption.
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The above ties in with what I posted in the Mumbai terror thread

Somebody said something about seas and waves.
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Shahid Javed Burki
then the term cannot be applied to South Asia. It can only be used for India.
I am not quite sure about this assertion.
I think the term can be applied to India, Sri Lanka and BD. Out of these, India is perhaps the fastest growing.
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'India can't become a global player without Pak'
June 02, 2009 10:55 IST

Tariq Fatemi, former Pakistani ambassador to the United States and principal foreign policy adviser to erstwhile prime minister Nawaz Sharif [Images], has urged New Delhi [Images] to lift the 'pause button' on the Indo-Pakistan composite dialogue, which was imposed after the Mumbai terror attacks [Images].

In an interaction at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, DC, Fatemi, said, "India is a large country, it is a major actor on the international scene, but I don't think India can play in the weight level and at a stage where it wishes and deserves to play, until it has good relations with Pakistan."

"The albatross hung around India's neck from all these outstanding issues we have inherited from the past," he argued, will not allow India to become a global player.

Fatemi reiterated, "There is virtual unanimity in Pakistan regarding the need to have good relations with India -- there is no political party, there is no grouping in Pakistan that would want to see confrontation and hostility with India."
Khyaali pulaao!
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RajeshA wrote:Hopefully this will lead to a full collapse of the peace platform in India, pushing the GoI to also take a harsher stance, a stance not depending on help from the Americans or the international community. From 2004 onwards, there was simply too much of bonhomie from the UPA/Congress leadership to the Pakistani establishment. Even after Mumbai 26/11 it did not go away. I hope that it will help the current leadership of Congress, to also get over their peace process inertia, and US infatuation. There is a need for the Congress too to move right on nationalism and security, and Hafiz Saeed's release and Obama's KLPD and Mulli-in-Bund's middle-finger to India helps.
I can understand frustration from the average citizen over what seems to be a government that is too chummy with an old enemy but what would you propose India do? Even talking harshly is still talking.
In an interaction at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, DC, Fatemi, said, "India is a large country, it is a major actor on the international scene, but I don't think India can play in the weight level and at a stage where it wishes and deserves to play, until it has good relations with Pakistan."

"The albatross hung around India's neck from all these outstanding issues we have inherited from the past," he argued, will not allow India to become a global player.
Ha! What is this? A threat? :D
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Keshav wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Hopefully this will lead to a full collapse of the peace platform in India, pushing the GoI to also take a harsher stance, a stance not depending on help from the Americans or the international community. From 2004 onwards, there was simply too much of bonhomie from the UPA/Congress leadership to the Pakistani establishment. Even after Mumbai 26/11 it did not go away. I hope that it will help the current leadership of Congress, to also get over their peace process inertia, and US infatuation. There is a need for the Congress too to move right on nationalism and security, and Hafiz Saeed's release and Obama's KLPD and Mulli-in-Bund's middle-finger to India helps.
I can understand frustration from the average citizen over what seems to be a government that is too chummy with an old enemy but what would you propose India do? Even talking harshly is still talking.
In the aftermath of the Mumbai Attacks, there were many suggestions floating here on BRF. That would be a starting. The most important thing that India should understand is that
- there can be no peace with Pakistan.
- the peace process should be considered dead.
- a stable, prosperous Pakistan is not in India's interest.
- Indians and Pakistanis are not the same people.
- India cannot be passive, neither on the home front, bolstering our security at home, nor on the external front, collecting intelligence and creating new opportunities and options for us.

The one strong statement India can make, is that if Pakistan continues to target India with terrorism, India would have to review the need for the Indus Water Treaty, as good neighborliness appears to be an investment with diminishing returns.
Keshav wrote:Even talking harshly is still talking.
No, you simply don't talk with your murderers. No need for composite dialogue. No need for finding solutions. No need to humor the Americans.
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Basically all those nudges, suggestions (aka threats) mean one thing
Give us the remaining part of Kashmir or else we go down and take you with us!
As to the question that what should India do - my suggestion would be to weaponize havily - sanctions or no sanctions. Drag them in the arms race till they cannot feed themselves. The western pockets are thinning and the Chinese are prudent with their money.
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archan wrote:As to the question that what should India do - my suggestion would be to weaponize havily - sanctions or no sanctions. Drag them in the arms race till they cannot feed themselves. The western pockets are thinning and the Chinese are prudent with their money.
That's way too much money we could be spending elsewhere. In order to drag down Pakistan, Indians do not need to hurt themselves. The Pakistanis are doing a pretty good job of killing each other already.
RajeshA wrote:- India cannot be passive, neither on the home front, bolstering our security at home, nor on the external front, collecting intelligence and creating new opportunities and options for us.
I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, but this statement is the most important.

1) How should we bolster security at home? Are you talking strictly border patrol or internal security? And if so, how would you bolster it? Increase the number of police? Give them training for terrorist scenarios? How do you deal with the corruption?

2) How can collecting intelligence create new opportunities? What kinds of opportunities and options did you have in mind when you wrote this?
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One way to intimidate the Pakistanis is to

- set up a credible ballistic missile shield over India.
- C4ISR
- heavy conventional build up
- systemize training in schools for a nuclear exchange, ABC attacks
- build nuclear bunkers for leadership, government, scientists, engineers, medical professionals. Do it publicly.

Show that India is not afraid of a nuclear exchange! Call the bluff and/or incinerate the Pakis!
Keshav wrote:2) How can collecting intelligence create new opportunities? What kinds of opportunities and options did you have in mind when you wrote this?
I believe there is no need for further details on this. It is pretty much clear, what is meant.
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RajeshA wrote:With Hafiz Saeed's release, it would be the perfect time to consider the scrapping of IWT, and place a couple of more attack divisions in Kashmir, on the LoC and on the international border.
We should just bump off this sucker.
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RajeshA wrote:Show that India is not afraid of a nuclear exchange! Call the bluff and/or incinerate the Pakis!
I think, for all intents and purposes, we should assume that India will not be the first to use a nuclear attack. Calling the bluff is one thing but we should find ways to do it without spending too much money.

The Pakistanis are hugely paranoid, more so than some of the users on BRF ( :shock: ). We could easily use that our advantage. We don't need more nukes - we just need to make it seem like we're making more. Isn't that what Reagans "Star Wars" was all about? Although they were trying to build a nuclear missile defense shield, they never finished and fooled the Soviets into thinking they were making a laser satellite directed at them!

India doesn't really have that kind of money to be spending on guns. Butter seems like a better use, to be honest, and I think India can have both in this case.
I believe there is no need for further details on this. It is pretty much clear, what is meant.
Are you thinking you can use the information to further the fault lines that already exist? This would probably be the best bet. Considering that we don't have that intelligence, I don't know what we could do on this part.
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Satya, Thanks for the DB's insight. It coincides ~90% with my thinking too. And explains the unexplainable. Tell the DB that was the assessment in 1993 also by SB Chavan in Lok Sabha.
I am sure BJP is also behind the govt on this.
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Keshav wrote:In order to drag down Pakistan, Indians do not need to hurt themselves.
Yes, and let the pakis hurt Indians like on 26/11, and countless other occasions. Let Indians keep losing thousands of innocent citizen each year.
Keshav wrote: The Pakistanis are doing a pretty good job of killing each other already.
Who cares what they are doing to themselves. We are not going to wait for decades for their terror infrastructure to go down and let countless of our citizens get in harm's way. It is not only the civilian lives, terrorism hurts businesses, infrastructure and national image.
We just recovered a huge stockpile of weapons and explosives in J&K, again. You cannot put a man at every inch of the border and sooner or later you will miss a contingent or two. Poor citizens will suffer.
Paying for weapons has no comparison to ensuring safety of our citizens' (both civilian and military) lives in my opinion.
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Keshav wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Show that India is not afraid of a nuclear exchange! Call the bluff and/or incinerate the Pakis!
I think, for all intents and purposes, we should assume that India will not be the first to use a nuclear attack. Calling the bluff is one thing but we should find ways to do it without spending too much money.
Depending on the level of terrorism from across the border, no assumptions should be made on first use either.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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What happened to old Gaddhafi who took pleasure in hurling abuses towards 'kafir' indian soldiers from pakistani side of the border in kashmir?
When was that? :shock:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Keshav wrote: India doesn't really have that kind of money to be spending on guns. Butter seems like a better use, to be honest, and I think India can have both in this case.
Capabilities should match perceptions.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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pgbhat wrote:shock: You mean India should be a paper tiger or is it because you want to cut costs??
Either way doesn't make sense. Capabilities should match perceptions.
A response to Archan, as well:

Here's the problem with that type of thinking. Thousands upon thousands more die from road accidents due to bad policing and poor roads, thousands upon thousands die from food in India where the malnourishment is higher than even in Africa, lack of water, and flooding.

More Indians die from mundane acts of survival than terrorism and that is something we need to keep in mind. People need to learn from their mistakes and you're making the same mistake the BJP made in the last election.

Rural people don't care about non-Naxalite terrorism.

They have more on their plate and saying that Islamic terrorism is the number one threat to the Indian people is silly. Because it really isn't, not by a longshot. Should we deal with it? Of course - no one is saying we shouldn't but don't lose sight of the trees for the forest.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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archan wrote:As to the question that what should India do - my suggestion would be to weaponize havily - sanctions or no sanctions. Drag them in the arms race till they cannot feed themselves. The western pockets are thinning and the Chinese are prudent with their money.
Good suggestion, do to the Pakistanis what Reagan did to the Soviets in their last days of existence as a single nation...

But we will have to be careful, in their zest to escalate the arms race the US ran up significant deficits whose effects are being felt today and will be felt by many generations of Americans...the Soviets went down but in hindsight its a phyrric victory for the Americans....we can learn many lessons from the Amrikhaans...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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anupmisra wrote:Is South Asia emerging?
By Shahid Javed Burki
Equal-Equal dreams set to rest.

..... ... . .The most troubled country in the neighborhood is, of course, Pakistan. Its economy is in a freefall. The Economist in the issue cited above estimated a GDP growth rate of only 0.6 per cent for 2009 compared to five per cent for India. (5.8%?) Pakistan’s political system is showing signs of life but has a long way to go before it can become stable. Most important, the country is faced with what its senior officials have called an “existential threat”.
The 0.6 % and 5.8% just shows that Pakistani "raakit-mard" Muslim maintains 1:10 superiority against SRDE Hindu India.

Islam is the road to power (by rape and debauchery) and prosperity (by loot).

Ishallah ! give more Islam to Allah's Muslim Khilafat of Pakistan.
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