Indian Railways Thread

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 30 Apr 2009 16:41

Dileep wrote: The suburbans going to the beach side must cross over the main line at basinbridge (that is why it is a junction) .

No. I think you are mistaken BBJ(Basin Bridge) is a junction of three lines one is towards AJJ(arakkonam), second is towards gummidipoondi sulurpettai route and the third one is towards beach but that line is not used much(not much trains only three or four service in a day). So that staion is mostly used by people from arakkonam train to get into gummidipoondi train and vice versa. In this the most used liine is AJJ line which have dedicated lines for both suburban trains and express trains.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 30 Apr 2009 17:21

RS,

I know that. The lines to Beach and Gummidipoondi branch off on the right side of BBJ, while the line to AJJ stay on the left. The main line is in the middle. So, the subarbans starting from central must cross the main line to go there. Subarbans to AJJ can go straight, without branching anywhere, as the two lines starting from central moore mkt goes straight on the left side of the main line.

That is why I suspect wide sabotage. Someone has set the point at BBJ for the subarban to get on the main line. WHY? For argument sake, let us imagine that the point is set for a previous train going to beach/gummidipoondi. But that setting will not stay, as there was a goods leaving vyasarpadi to BBJ.

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 30 Apr 2009 17:43

Dileep wrote:For argument sake, let us imagine that the point is set for a previous train going to beach/gummidipoondi. But that setting will not stay, as there was a goods leaving vyasarpadi to BBJ.

It is the case it seems. The train which met accident is MT3 5.15 and the previous train is towards gummidipoondi MSP1 at 4.25

But that setting will not stay, as there was a goods leaving vyasarpadi to BBJ

That goods waiting in the vyasarpadi station is waiting for signal and it didnt get the signal at that time

That is why I suspect wide sabotage

Sabotage is not ruled out. In the four bodies recovered three were identified and the one body is not identified yet. Police suspect that could be the person who took control of that train and the case is now transfered to TN CB-CID.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 30 Apr 2009 17:55

RS, even if the points were set for MSP1, the train should go to that line right? Why the main line? Was it that the cabinman changed the inner point to the main line, and before he changed the outer also, the rake passed through? That is tough to swallow.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2009 05:29

The hijacker was knowledgeable about working of EMU

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 01 May 2009 07:49

SSridhar wrote:The hijacker was knowledgeable about working of EMU

In yesterday interview to press, acting GM of SR also said this. He said one has to give continously 5Kg pressure in dead man's handle otherwise the train will stop. The man was able to do this thats why he was able to run it. Yesterday CB-CID ADGP said in an interview that during the postmortem of the unidentified body they found a telugu tatoo in his hand and they suspect it could be his name.
Andhra Pradesh police’s help sought to identify 4th deceased

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 01 May 2009 12:58

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Citi ... 469627.cms

Mechanical fault moved train? It did happen 7 years ago
1 May 2009, 0401 hrs IST, K Praveen Kumar, TNN
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CHENNAI: There was widespread speculation on Thursday about how the train accident could have occurred in Vyasarpadi. Even as the mystery about
the accident continued to baffle railway and police officials, some railway technical staff members who have had hands-on experience with electric locomotives at the railway workshop in Perambur told The Times Of India that a mechanical fault caused due to lack of proper maintenence could lead to the moving of a train without manual intervention.

The acceleration mechanism of the locomotive, which is based on an auto-transfer system, runs the risk of having carbon deposited on it if it is not properly serviced. The air gap between the accelerator lever and the power point gets filled up with carbon and the lever then automatically connects to the power supply, even if the reverser key remains in a locked position, a mechanical staff member told TOI. According to him, the faulty accelerator system can also pick up speed all by itself and run on its own.

"The maintanence of engines and coaches is very poor in our workshop. If anyone checks the engine parts and the air-conditioning systems in train coaches, the level of maintanence can be understood. The workshops also suffer from delayed spare parts supply. Most of the recognised companies do not supply materials to railways because of other' factors. The possibility of a mechanical fault was discussed among technical staff this morning but the railway staff was later told not to make any public comments about the issue," a railway mechanical staff member said.

The staff member also pointed out the occurrence of something similar in Jolarpet seven years ago. Then, a bigger electric engine had run on its own. The train passed three stations before the railway authorities cut off the power supply to stop it. Fortunately, no accident took place.

However, other mechanical staff members said that a mechanical fault leading to the Vyasarpadi accident was highly improbable. "Even if the train moves due to an automatic spark in the accelerator, it cannot reach that kind of speed. The chance of the train moving on its own is very remote," a mechanical officer said.

Another official said that the possibility of a mechanical fault was ruled out. "The train which was involved in the accident had been serviced just the day before. Moreover, carbon is a poor conductor of electricity. Thirdly, the train has two sets of brakes to prevent it from moving," added an engineer.

Railway authorities said that the incident in Jolarpet had happened because of the fault of the engine drivers. "The rule says that both the engine drivers cannot get down from the engine when it is in the on' position. In Jolarpet, both the engine drivers got off without putting on the handbrakes, and the train accidentally started moving," an official said. A staff member added that a similar incident in Renigunta was also reported.

Another possibility that was spoken about on Thursday was that of a person operating the train from the rear motor room. An EMU usually has three motor rooms - in the front, middle and rear. While the front and rear engines are used for moving the train, the centre motor room has other allied systems. Both the front and rear motor rooms have the capacity to pull four coaches of 36 tonnes each. The impact on the middle and rear motor rooms were minimal in the Vyasarpadi accident and the possibility of the person who drove the EMU and got off the rear motor room could not be ruled out, a staff member said.

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 May 2009 15:37

New alloy to prevent rails from toilet corrosion

A new alloy steel developed at the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (IIT-K) has provided the answer to one of the major problems faced by the Indian railway system - corrosion of rails by toilet discharge.

. . .nearly Rs.4.4 billion ($89 million) is spent annually on replacement of rails withdrawn prematurely due to corrosion.

The railways' own efforts to combat crevice corrosion by trying out different types of coatings in field trials failed to work. Extensive trials at a corrosion-prone location near Visakhapatnam showed that even four coats of epoxy could not stop crevice corrosion. Zinc coating was found effective but expensive. "So we decided to tackle this problem through alloy chemistry," Balasubramaniam said.

A clue for developing the new rail steel came from Balasubramaniam's earlier research with the 1,600-year-old Iron Pillar of Delhi. The research showed that the pillar's excellent resistance to atmospheric corrosion was due to presence of traces of phosphorus in the iron that catalysed the formation of a "protective" layer on the steel surface.

Extrapolating the idea, the researchers reasoned that the corrosion rate in the rails could be markedly lowered by micro-alloying the steel with small amounts (0.1 to 1.0 percent) of copper, silicon, nickel and chromium in certain combinations. And they turned out to be right.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 May 2009 16:01

I hope Railways have not concluded that open pit toilets are here to stay and will therefore have to look for 'other' solutions. Wonder if it is cheaper to replace them with modern toilets instead of going around replacing rails! After all damage to rails is not the only negative aspect of this 40s era relic.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 May 2009 19:19

Suppiah, that was my thought too. But, the eco-friendly zero-dsicharge toilet that Lalu announced in the last budget is not going to see the light of day for another 25 years on the entire Railway network. The alloy rails may be stop gap till then. Besides, the new rails are supposed to bring down cost as well.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 08 May 2009 19:46

SSridhar wrote:But, the eco-friendly zero-dsicharge toilet that Lalu announced in the last budget is not going to see the light of day for another 25 years on the entire Railway network.

Any specific reason, why the eco-friendly toilet has been put into the slow track? Any information on how they plan to roll out this (if and when this happens)?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 May 2009 20:11

Sachin, the plan by IR is to replace all the rolling stock with the zero-discharge toilet by circa 2011. But, knowing the speed with which things are usually implemented and the constraints of Railway workshops, this may not happen for many yeas to come. That's my gut feeling. I have not yet seen a bogie with the new toilet. I am not even sure if RDSO has approved the design for the toilet.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 11 May 2009 17:04

Internet facilities for train passengers on anvil

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 Jun 2009 22:39

DELETED. Make your point without resorting to bashing a group

Protest in Bihar as Mamata stops train halts ordered by Lalu

All this because Mamta-di is cleaning up Lalloo's mess (I know not exactly for right reasons ...but right thing to do nonetheless)

PATNA: An angry mob in Bihar torched a train and a station Monday to protest a new rail schedule that has trains skipping stops at their station,
Train set ablaze
A railways employee uses a fire extinguisher on the burning Danapur-Jainagar Intercity Express train at Khusrupur. (AFP Photo)
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railway police said. No injuries were reported. ( Watch )

Television footage showed orange flames and black smoke billowing out of the train that was stopped just outside the Khusrupur train station. ( Watch )

Around 200 protesters set the train station on fire and pulled up train tracks, causing delays to dozens of trains, said senior railway police officer Rajender Singh.

The new schedule is the result of a political reshuffle following last month's national elections, with the new Railway minister Mamata Banerjee overturning the policy of the outgoing minister Lalu Yadav, a Bihar political strongman.

Yadav had major trains stopping at dozens of smaller stations in his home state.

The Railway Board had also asked the ECR authorities to withdraw stoppages of as many as 33 trains, including Howrah-Patna Janshatabdi Express, Rajgir-New Delhi Shramjeevi Express and Toofan Express at smaller stations.

The change angered Khusrupur residents who watched in vain as the Patna-Calcutta train sped by. Khusrupur is about 18 miles (30 kilometers) east of Patna, the capital of Bihar.

``That train did not stop there, so they went berserk and attacked the Dhanapur intercity express,'' Singh said.

Lalu Prasad, meanwhile, is likely to face another setback with the Railway Board putting all the nearly 250 halts, including 100 unauthorised ones, created during his stint as Railway minister, under scanner.

The Railway Board had asked the East Central Railway (Hajipur) to examine the economic viability of these halts and if found commercially unviable,to initiate steps to close them down, ECR's General Manager Girish Bhatnagar said here.

The halts, under five divisions of the ECR, are creating hurdles in the smooth running of the trains, Bhatnagar said.

"We have received a communication in this regard a week ago and have identified nearly three dozen such halts, which are generating almost negligible revenue," Bhatnagar said.

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 Jun 2009 22:58

clarification: that was in light vein sir .

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 02 Jun 2009 11:50

The Jammu-Kashmir rail link gets a final fillip

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fo ... +(F)&sid=1

Quote:
The project, regarded as one of the most formidable in the world in terms of execution as it deals with earthquake-prone, conflict-mired terrain and other geological difficulties, ground to a halt when mid-way through the construction of the Chenab bridge doubts arose about whether the structure would hold. The project, under construction since 1994, was given the status of a national project in 2002 under the Vajpayee government. The initial deadline was for 2009. Various delays pushed it to 2012.

However, some officials say the deadline could be pushed further. "With a new minister in Mamata Banerjee, the project will have to be presented to her and then taken forward," says a senior rail ministry official. There is also talk of building a rail link to Ladakh. While no detailed project report has been submitted, the idea is being pitched as a project for the new government.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 03 Jun 2009 23:24

negi wrote:All this because Mamta-di is cleaning up Lalloo's mess (I know not exactly for right reasons ...but right thing to do nonetheless)

Negi (and Suraj...I see that you have sniped off Negi's post),

The problem in these area is far deeper. One can be politically correct, that will amount to brushing things under the carpet.

I've been traveling on this route since my childhood.

I've literally lost count of the times that my father had to call in the Military Police from MCO in Kanpur or Gaya to have people thrown out of the compartment by force.

During mid 90s when I was in Delhi, settling down professionally, used to travel to Allahabad during the weekends, at that time my father was in HQ Central Air command. Those days I was still entitled to carry my dependent card and military compartment in the Prayag Raj express was the choice of conveyance during last minute decisions to go home during weekends.

Gents, forget about civilians. I had the misfortune to witness scores of fist fights between IAF/IA servicemen and local policemen. You have to imagine the problem these louts (police or otherwise) cause to lay civilians. People traveling with women folk keep quite and take it lying down.

There are two problems here.

1. General lawlessness in this region. People barging into compartments is not enough, they'll proceed to misbehave with women and generally spread themselves all over the place.

What's the problem here? One never notices these things if you take a train to south.

2. Practice of creating unscheduled halts. Local trains are okay. But why in case of Express/Superfast trains?

Some of these trains originate in far end of Rajasthan/Punjab/Assam/NE. People traveling in these trains anyway put in 48 hours plus if the train in running on time.

Do these people have the right to minimum comfort or should the political correctness be an excuse to allow local louts to run amok in these trains?

PS: I will however note that once in while I/we came across families that had to hitch a ride from Kanpur/Allahabad. Extremely polite people, almost embarrassed to request for some space to sit down. So, when offered to sit down they kept to extreme end of the berths and generally made an effort to put the host at maximum ease. Very minuscule section of population in these parts.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Jun 2009 03:24

people who live in the eastern part of India and has had the misfortune of traveling by rail would understand what SRoy is telling above.

for whatever reasons, IMHO it is due to political dadagiri spreading to general lawlessness.
in fact people making a journey to western/northern India make it a point to avoid the mughalserai route if possible, even if it means journey of a few more hours.

last I traveled by this route was a while back, 6-7 years ago. then it was not uncommon to witness local people without reservations, usually without tickets too shout "hai mera gaon" pull the chains and jump off ! average speed of the train dropped off tremendously when it entered bihar.

only strict enforcement can cure these problems.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 04 Jun 2009 06:42

Basically Mughalsarai is a mini-Bihar inside UP if there can be such a thing. Even Rajdhani Express trains would get invaded by regional lowlifes!

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 04 Jun 2009 07:47

One thing we repeatedly see here is morons from CRPF and military, who travel in a group in regular coaches, harassing other passengers. Even today there is a newsbit of such an incident. Jo Bihar mein ***** woh Thrissur mein bhi *****?

The problem is, the railway police are mostly "birds of the same feather", so they refuse to even file FIR in many cases. Passengers, in typical "i don't want trouble" attitude, will not give written complaint.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 04 Jun 2009 08:56

Gents, forget about civilians. I had the misfortune to witness scores of fist fights between IAF/IA servicemen and local policemen. You have to imagine the problem these louts (police or otherwise) cause to lay civilians. People traveling with women folk keep quite and take it lying down.

Scores of fistfights?

Details please.

Let me explain the problems of servicemen including the para military. In quite a few trains there is one coach for servicemen.

Servicemen get their leave at short notice. The leave could be 7 days to 30 days. It would take two days to reach home and 2 days to return (some more). That leaves 3 days at home.

Now, when there is no berth available (and the reserved coach is packed like sardines), frustration seizes the man. One thing leads to another. Notwithstanding, such fistfights are not correct and when reported, such men get severe punishment and swiftly since the Army Act does not have the niceties of the civil law.

One could well say that the leave should be longer than 7 days. However, given the CI situation, one cannot let a man go for too long since that would reduce the operational strength to do the task at hand. Catch 22.

Why do you have fragging - a phenomenon that was never there before? High frustration due to an indifferent government machinery.

negi · Post by **negi** » 04 Jun 2009 09:40

People from armed forces travel on warrant so it is weird if they take up fights with other passengers for seats/berths.

Until I graduated from college I used to visit my native place every year with my parents (Kerala exp,MNGLA LKDWEEP exp, GT express,TN express ,Goa express,Mangala and Rajdhani exp) I observed that apart from one or two stretches (Jhansi,Itarasi ) most of the journey was always safe and peaceful .

Having said that my brother who went to NIT Allahabad was not so lucky

; he used to have all sorts of stories regarding his train journey to tell during his visits during semester breaks.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 04 Jun 2009 12:42

negi wrote:People from armed forces travel on warrant so it is weird if they take up fights with other passengers for seats/berths.

The railway warrant allows free travel by train between two points but it does not guarantee reservation. The warrant also does not provide for tatkal reservation while not on duty.

These times when railway reservation can be done three months in advance even a couple of weeks notice is simply not enough to get seat reserved in long distance trains.

The MC quota is there, but the number of seats available is small and out subscribed most of the times (> 90% ). Also, the procedure of releasing seats under MC quota has not kept up with times and is done at eleventh hour, hence the seat is never guaranteed for personnel proceeding on/returning from leave.

Notwithstanding the above and considering the huge scale in which movement takes place, the personnel are generally well behaved. However there are exceptions when the frustration is vented unwittingly on the co-passengers and their number is miniscule. If and when reported they are certainly taken to task as brought out by RayC.

But exception are usually highlighted by media in such fashion, you know that...

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 04 Jun 2009 12:56

Having frustration is no justification to harass the co-pax, let alone eve-tease the women. Other people too have frustration you know? Other people also have mean bosses who won't give leave. Other people who don't have MC quota, and the general quota fills up the morning it opens. Other people who don't have the strength of a group.

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 04 Jun 2009 13:01

Delhi-TVM Rajdhani frequency has been increased to 4/week from 3.

vina · Post by **vina** » 04 Jun 2009 14:03

Raju wrote:Delhi-TVM Rajdhani frequency has been increased to 4/week from 3.

Train ah ? Raju Bhaiyya , I thought Billis like you from Dilli mostly phly onree no ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Jun 2009 14:09

IR is still a joke when it comes to ample seats. at present 3 weekly trains with 20+ coaches run from GHY-BLR. still if you want a seat need to book 40 days in advance.

Why is it we are unable to deploy enough trains to cater to demand?
why dont we see long haul trains that are 25% empty?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 04 Jun 2009 14:22

Dileep wrote:Having frustration is no justification to harass the co-pax, let alone eve-tease the women. Other people too have frustration you know? Other people also have mean bosses who won't give leave. Other people who don't have MC quota, and the general quota fills up the morning it opens. Other people who don't have the strength of a group.

What is this about warrant?

The rail journey is paid from the Defence Budget and it is a part of the job description. So, the railways or the govt is doing no favour. If that were the case then the Army would be doing a favour for preserving the sovereignty and integrity of this country!!! Right?

If you are aware , 50% of the seats are Tatkal and that is why the Rly is not in the red!! Therefore, with the minimal open reservations and low MC quotas what do you expect?

Indeed, military men should not kick up a ruckus and they will surely be taken to book. But imagine their condition and the growing frustration that is seizing the armed forces with the lack lustre attitude of the govt. to every issue of the military handled by the Govt. Civil control of the military is NOT the bureaucratic control that it has come to be.

It is all very easy to pin eve teasing, rape, drunkenness etc on the military since all feel that they are a sex starved macho lot. That is a bogus contention but it sticks in the civilian mind since it is a popular old wives tale.

True others don't get leave but then they have the option to stay with their families, have their children schooled in the same school all through, attend to their litigation issues without having to return to the field even before there is a hearing etc, meet the daily problems of the family. Does the army men have that luxury?

Are you aware what is the MC quota vis a vis the number going on leave?

Please read this:

THROUGH THICK AND THIN
- The government must revive the morale of the armed forces
http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 04 Jun 2009 16:45

vina wrote:
Raju wrote:Delhi-TVM Rajdhani frequency has been increased to 4/week from 3.
Train ah ? Raju Bhaiyya , I thought Billis like you from Dilli mostly phly onree no ?

No, when I travelled by Rajdhani it was during the fare-hike period.

boy .. Rajdhani was some experience. Suited Butlers waiting on you whole day, just that there was no buzzer.
We had four course meals and everything taken care of. Came down south in typical 'Raj' style.
In no other train/plane in India will you ever be so well taken care of. I suggest you too take your family to dilli in Rajdhani.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 04 Jun 2009 20:10

Xpost:
Finally, the BDeshis realize that it is a better idea to ask the Injuns than the chinis who would peddle them crap....
Bangladesh seeks Indian help for railways
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holn ... 041532.htm

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 04 Jun 2009 20:33

^^ Agree with the experience part in Rajdhani. I travelled first time few years back and it was wonderful experience.

I think the warrants are just tickets for non-sleeper class. I am not sure what its called formally but for having a sleeper in journey you still need to book it using your warrant.

Medical for our Group in SSB was delayed by 2 days and none of us could book tickets for our journey back. At the end 7 of us including 4 SCOs journeyed back sleeping on floor from Allah to Delhi. The only guy who was able to manage ticket through MCO was one whose father was GOC-in-C for the northern command

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RayC · Post by **RayC** » 04 Jun 2009 22:06

CalvinH wrote:^^ Agree with the experience part in Rajdhani. I travelled first time few years back and it was wonderful experience.

I think the warrants are just tickets for non-sleeper class. I am not sure what its called formally but for having a sleeper in journey you still need to book it using your warrant.

Medical for our Group in SSB was delayed by 2 days and none of us could book tickets for our journey back. At the end 7 of us including 4 SCOs journeyed back sleeping on floor from Allah to Delhi. The only guy who was able to manage ticket through MCO was one whose father was GOC-in-C for the northern command .

To the person who thought we are the lumpen lot. Let us take this post to reply to that idea.

I have slept in the corridor myself going for the 1971 War after a course since there was no reservations as we were moving with no notice, the course having been truncated!

That is how we have to travel when we have to go!

What should we have done? Get late for the War and say we are so sorry since we did not want to inconvenience the public as we were warrant holders?

Understand the realities of life. If you are late, you are Absent without Leave and it is 28 days in jail (Quarter Guard) without pay for a jawan and court-martial for an officer. I wonder if such a thing is there in civil life.

Calvin,

The GOC in C's son would have got it from the VIP quota through the good offices of the railway bigwigs!

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 05 Jun 2009 01:28

CalvinH wrote: Medical for our Group in SSB was delayed by 2 days and none of us could book tickets for our journey back. At the end 7 of us including 4 SCOs journeyed back sleeping on floor from Allah to Delhi. The only guy who was able to manage ticket through MCO was one whose father was GOC-in-C for the northern command .

I've once spent a journey completely standing on my feets from Delhi to Allahabad in Kalka-Howrah mail. It was Diwali weekend. Nightmare. Midway, I had a urge to get down at Kanpur and take a bus, but money was a problem.

In your example, if the guy got a berth through the MCO, then probably he was already carrying a concession voucher or got one from some acquaintance at the location.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 05 Jun 2009 01:38

RayC wrote:
Gents, forget about civilians. I had the misfortune to witness scores of fist fights between IAF/IA servicemen and local policemen. You have to imagine the problem these louts (police or otherwise) cause to lay civilians. People traveling with women folk keep quite and take it lying down.
Scores of fistfights?

Details please.

Prayag Raj Express. Happens every Friday and Monday...usually at Kanpur. Apparently, there are lot of people posted in Delhi/Kanpur/Allahabad with their family establishments in any of these 3 places other than one where they are posted. Most of these people travel over the weekends, and they are sort of regulars.

I think you misunderstood my post, servicemen are the victimized party in the case I mentioned.

No need to demonize your own people, UP policemen are a lumpen lot. Period.
They consider it is their birthright to barge into any compartment, reserved/unreserved/military whatever. Sometime they get thrashed by people in the military compartment.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 05 Jun 2009 11:52

Railways to develop over 500 model stations

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 05 Jun 2009 11:59

SRoy wrote:
Prayag Raj Express. Happens every Friday and Monday...usually at Kanpur. Apparently, there are lot of people posted in Delhi/Kanpur/Allahabad with their family establishments in any of these 3 places other than one where they are posted. Most of these people travel over the weekends, and they are sort of regulars.

I think you misunderstood my post, servicemen are the victimized party in the case I mentioned.

No need to demonize your own people, UP policemen are a lumpen lot. Period.
They consider it is their birthright to barge into any compartment, reserved/unreserved/military whatever. Sometime they get thrashed by people in the military compartment.

The Army is a 24x7 job and hence one cannot be a regular weekender. Outpasses are given but not for outstation movement and one has to return by the evening roll call time.

Indeed, servicemen would be riled if others enter their compartment which is crowded in any case. As it is they don't get reservation and then if the compartment they have is filled with others, where should they go?

I may have misunderstood your post.

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Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 05 Jun 2009 13:52

Dileep wrote:One thing we repeatedly see here is morons from CRPF and military, who travel in a group in regular coaches, harassing other passengers

I have also noticed a phenomenon in Kerala. Season Ticket passengers barging into Sleeper coaches and then sitting where ever they can. My understanding is that season ticket passengers cannot use reserved compartments or berths. I have not seen harassments like eve-teasing done by them.

CalvinH wrote:I think the warrants are just tickets for non-sleeper class.

My understanding is that a warrant allows a soldier to travel at a concessional rate or free. They can get reserved accomodation based on their travel warrants. My understanding is that instead of paying the money, the ticket is issued based on the warrant.

Basically Mughalsarai is a mini-Bihar inside UP if there can be such a thing. Even Rajdhani Express trains would get invaded by regional lowlifes!

last I traveled by this route was a while back, 6-7 years ago. then it was not uncommon to witness local people without reservations, usually without tickets too shout "hai mera gaon" pull the chains and jump off ! average speed of the train dropped off tremendously when it entered bihar.

. I had mentioned about a typical chap's (from this place) mentality in the Internal Security thread. He was part of the group which burnt down two trains, and made a statement that such incidents would continue to happen if the trains don't stop where ever they want. I had made a comment regarding this attitude in Bihar and UP, and was chastised for bashing a group

. I don't know for how long we have to be politically correct, and hide these issues under the carpet. Bihar and UP needs a real cleaning up of attitude, or else sooner or later the citizens of these states would start getting hits.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jun 2009 14:04

its the attitude of the "mob"
- strong in numbers , massive numbers (110cr in undivided UP, 80cr in undivided bihar)
- strong numerical presence anywhere a fight looms
- able to organize and fight whenever the occasion demands while more genteel societies would pull back
- superiority complex of being yindi speaker (-> everyone & their unkil better learn yindi or else)
- generally divided by caste and religion but always unite when its time to burn and pillage

the dilli billi (type-1) is more refined and polished than this mob. his / her superiority is
'racial', economic and cultural - fairer skin, more money, more opportunity (NCR has the best business climate and transport links, more shudh yindi, edu in best of english medium schools, high profile family contacts, foreign trips.

the mumbai billi (type-1) is a clone which is not surprising, because a large number are actually dilli-lahori billis who went west decades ago! there's hardly a marathi hero or heroine in bollywood except nana patekar!

amardeep_s · Post by **amardeep_s** » 05 Jun 2009 14:44

oye you soft it vity and leg space and arm room demanders, this is for you.

six million out of a total of 18 million daily of passengers travel like this
now if mamta enforces this everywhere, where is the question of fights for space

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jun 2009 14:47

just shows in general that yindians will put up with any amt of abuse and still not say anything.

if this were to happen in nigeria or west indies, the local MLAs would lose their heads literally to a well armed mob descending on the place.