Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 14 Jun 2009 21:52

^^^
Wont. A WKK mind is too warped to accept the reality. Paki aid is only used to further evil, esp. directed at India.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Jun 2009 22:01

anupmisra wrote:
arun wrote:vakibs
Let's give them some moral (and yes financial) support.
Do you know any way to send money (in Indian currency) for helping the Swati refugees?[/b]
Let's send a few thousand Indian Rupees (in notes of carefully marked 100's) for the hungry in SWAT and see if they crop up in the pockets of killed or arrested terrorists in J&K and elsewhere. That should shut up these WKKs once and for all.

"We send money to poor Swati Residents, and then Indian-sponsored Taliban comes and loots them, so then they come over the border to buy Indian khajoor, and poor Swati don't get any swadi khajoor. If we send them some more money, then at least they will be able to use some of it!"

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Jun 2009 22:03

Who knows if they are indeed Indians of just a bunch of deluded RAPEs posing as Indians, like they do in real life outside the internet, when they think they can get away with it.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 14 Jun 2009 22:11

Pakistan: Bomb, suspected US missile kill 13

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) — A suspected U.S. missile strike killed at least five people Sunday in a tribal region where Pakistan's top Taliban commander is based, intelligence officials said, breaking a lull in such attacks and posing a test for growing anti-Taliban sentiment in the country.

The strike came as violence raged elsewhere in the volatile northwestern region bordering Afghanistan. A bombing at a market killed at least eight people, while officials said clashes between the Taliban and security forces killed at least 20 militants in a tribal region supposedly cleared of insurgents months ago.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 14 Jun 2009 23:57

archan wrote:Who knows if they are indeed Indians of just a bunch of deluded RAPEs posing as Indians, like they do in real life outside the internet, when they think they can get away with it.

Who knows!

But firstly, which RAPE would do something that would even remotely show India as nice(foolish and naive as the comments are, they could be seen as highly charitable).

Secondly, I have come across folks uttering almost the same words and I would be shocked if they are NOT one of our own.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 15 Jun 2009 01:18

I wonder why there is no hue and cry from Arun Dhoti Roy, Kul Brasht nayar, Praful Ghada about human rights voilations by TSP Army, Air farce. Has unkil paid them off or because he has not paid them they dont show in media?

Ashok Kumar ji is very rational even under grave provocation.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 15 Jun 2009 01:37

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/06 ... ?ref=world

PA commences all out operations against Bait-ullah Mehsud in the Waziristans....

Pakistan ordered its army to go after the country's top Taliban commander, a feared militant whose remote stronghold could prove a difficult test for troops but whose demise would be a major blow to the insurgencies here and in Afghanistan.

The announcement Sunday of the operation in South Waziristan, rumored for weeks, came hours after a suspected U.S. missile strike killed five alleged militants there. The move will likely please Washington, which considers the tribal region a particularly troublesome hide-out for al-Qaida and Taliban fighters implicated in attacks on U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Owais Ghani, the governor of North West Frontier Province, told reporters in Islamabad late Sunday that the government felt it had no choice but to resort to force against Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud and his network. Past army action in the region had usually faltered or ended in truces, strengthening the militants.

''Baitullah Mehsud is the root cause of all evils,'' Ghani said, noting a slew of suicide bombings that have shaken Pakistan in recent days. ''The government has decided that to secure the innocent citizens from terrorists, a meaningful, durable and complete action is to be taken.''
Ghani suggested the operation has already begun, though the military has insisted its recent attacks on militants in South Waziristan were retaliatory, not the launch of a new offensive. Two intelligence officials said the army and Taliban were fighting in the Spinkai Raghzai area of South Waziristan as the governor made the announcement.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Jun 2009 03:58

So now we know why the response to Mumbai was what it was.

Either GOI would get some satisfaction from turning sod in Occupied Kashmir with million dollar missiles, which was the game plan for PA, or it would not walk into that trap and let this Greek tragedy unfold.

Sometimes I think there must be some very smart men in the Indian policy establishment.

The only people Pakistanis detest more than each other are Indians.
Sometimes the wisest thing to do is nothing.

Well played GOI.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Jun 2009 05:05

Rony wrote:
vakibs
14 Jun 09, 1:25pm (about 3 hours ago)
Beating a weak opponent is not good manners Kapil. The Pakistanis are having a tough time in their country. Let's give them some moral (and yes financial) support.

I am all for moral, diplomatic and financial support !

Free Baluchistan, Pashtunistan, Balwaristan, and the nascent Bahawalpur !

Where do I send in my donation ?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Jun 2009 05:46

Pakis must be doing a great job:

Al Qaeda fighters move into Horn of Africa, officials say

"The fact that we're seeing evidence of this already happening in both Yemen and Somalia suggests that, A, the drone program in the tribal areas of Pakistan has been effective, but, B, you know it's pushing al Qaeda into areas where they'll build up larger operations."

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jun 2009 06:04

archan wrote:Who knows if they are indeed Indians of just a bunch of deluded RAPEs posing as Indians, like they do in real life outside the internet, when they think they can get away with it.

Dal mein kuch kaala hai.

Most article that tell the truth about Pakistan nowadays are accompanied by Indian remarks that are supportive, often from BRF jingos and our ilk. I suspect these people are PakRape trolls.

archan · Post by **archan** » 15 Jun 2009 06:27

yep. After Mumbai the pakis have lost a host of WKK supporters. Even the ones with "who cares?" attitude have gotten up to take notice. Even my SHQ who would often say that pakis are victims of terror now has an opinion that the world would be a much better place without these vermin.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2009 07:12

The road to justice in Mumbai might well lead from Swat

Somehow, many Indian analysts still think that Pakistan's actions to satisfy the US would also be beneficial to India. With such thinking, we have no hope. Whatever Pakistan does under American compulsion would not bring terrorism against India to a halt. OTOH, it would only exacerbate the matters. The US has had absolutely no compunctions about terrorism directed against India from Pakistan. OTOH, it has even helped in such matters either covertly or on rare occassions even overtly. The US knows the redlines Pakistan has always drawn and have never overstepped them and have no intention of doing so now either. We deceive ourselves by interpreting the so-called PA action in Swat as Pakistan's decision to turn a new leaf in its employment of terror as a state policy against India.

Excerpts

Based on what the Pakistani President tells him about the conduct and future course of the war being waged against extremist forces in Swat, Dr. Singh’s next step would be to devise a strategy of flexible engagement that can help Pakistan or at least those sections of its establishment that see this as a joint problem take the fight against extremism to the finish.

Irreversibility also meant recognising that the enemies of peace, whether they are state or non-state actors, would not be deterred or weakened by India and Pakistan suspending their pursuit of the fruits of the dialogue process trade, cultural exchange and dispute resolution.{There is nothing like the 'non-state actor'. This is 'plausible deniability' practised by the Pakistani state since August 1947.}

Is it then in India’s interest that the TTP is fought and defeated? Yes. Do the TTP have links with groups involved in targeting India? Yes. As the TTPs allies take the war into the Punjab heartland, is there a likelihood that the Pakistan army will need to extend its war against jihadis to the radical extremists in Punjab? Again, the answer is yes. Wouldn’t such an outcome put the Pakistani security forces on a collision course with anti-India elements operating on Pakistani territory? To the extent to which these elements side with the Taliban rather than with their mentors in the establishment, the answer is yes.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 15 Jun 2009 07:43

Pakistan has built support for the military action against the talibunnies by claiming "Taliban = India".

Now the monkey truely has his hand in the jar. It can't withdraw it until the jar is empty or the jar breaks. This is going to lead to another big genocide that the pakistani army perpatrates every decade, either in killing the pashtuns / talibs, the Balochis or the ordinary Pakis who will at some point revolt against the System a.k.a the Pak Fauj.

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 15 Jun 2009 07:49

June 11: 2 STPP activists killed in clash with police during protest against IDPs in Karachi

June 14: 2 buses torched in Karachi

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 15 Jun 2009 07:58

Complainant mistaken for a terrorist gunned down by police in Lahore

However, the implementation of the ‘talk first’ mantra can be judged from the killing of Zeeshan, a bank employee, who was shot by the Sattu Katla Police on June 10 in broad daylight. The police killed Zeeshan after mistaking him for a terrorist. He was approaching the police station for registering the complaint of an accident. The police were forced to register a first information report (FIR) against the policemen involved after Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif ordered a judicial inquiry into the killing and the Lahore High Court took suo motu notice of the incident

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Jun 2009 08:55

Is it then in India’s interest that the TTP is fought and defeated? Yes. Do the TTP have links with groups involved in targeting India? Yes. As the TTPs allies take the war into the Punjab heartland, is there a likelihood that the Pakistan army will need to extend its war against jihadis to the radical extremists in Punjab? Again, the answer is yes. Wouldn’t such an outcome put the Pakistani security forces on a collision course with anti-India elements operating on Pakistani territory? To the extent to which these elements side with the Taliban rather than with their mentors in the establishment, the answer is yes.

No, this is missing the point. In fact India has no interest in seeing the TTP defeated. An Iran-Iraq type of ten year long stalement involving internecine warfare between jihadis of various gradations of fervour (josh) should be India's objective.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Jun 2009 11:53

Pakistan to Strike at Leader of Taliban

A Pakistani government official said late Sunday that the country’s military had been ordered to start an operation against the Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud, the first official confirmation of plans to pursue him.

The military has said that it is waiting for orders from Pakistani officials before beginning any operation.

Paki army reminds me of villians in Rajinikanth movies. They start off 500 meters away, yell and scream while rushing forward and gives Rajini plenty of warning and time. And then they stop, neatly queue up in front of him so that he can finish them off one by one.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 15 Jun 2009 11:59

Let the good Taliban survive

Buddha Smiles

In the Diamond Sutra, the historical Buddha, Sakyamuni (whose lifetime crossed the fifth and fourth centuries B.C.), says to a disciple: "Thousands of lifetimes ago when my body was cut into pieces by King Kalinga, I was not caught in the idea of a separate self or life span. If, at that time, I had been caught up in any such idea, I would have felt anger and ill-will against the king." Now, that's Buddhist tolerance!

In Afghanistan recently, supreme Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar issued an edict against un-Islamic graven images, which means all idolatrous images of humans and animals. As a result, the Taliban are destroying all ancient sculptures. Explosives, tanks, and anti-aircraft weapons blew apart two colossal images of the Buddha in Bamiyan Province, 230 kilometers (150 miles) from the capital of Kabul.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/ar ... uddhas.htm

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jun 2009 13:45

Ex-Bangla intel chief confirms ISI link to '04 ULFA arms haul

Dhaka: A long-suspected nexus between Pakistan's ISI and insurgency groups active in India's northeast have come to light with detained former Bangladesh intelligence chief confirming Islamabad's spy agency's link to the sensational supply of arms to ULFA in 2004.

The former director of Bangladesh's intelligence agency and a key suspect in the country's biggest ever arms haul case has confirmed that ISI was involved in the aborted smuggling of weapons believed to be destined to the ULFA hideouts in northeast India, a media report said on Monday.

Retired Wing Commander Shahabuddin, an ex-director of the National Security Intelligence told investigators that detained suspects of the haul had several talks with ISI officials working with Pakistan's High Commission in Dhaka, Pratham Olo said quoting officials familiar to the probe.

Shahabuddin was remanded last week for the second time to the custody of security agencies, who said they desired further clarifications on the foreign link.

"There is nothing new in his statement as he was interrogated again in our custody, but he clarified some sensitive issues which were unclear until now," an unnamed official said.

Another ex-chief of NSI, retired Brigadier General Abdur Rahim, who is also in the custody of security agencies had earlier also revealed the ISI link to the case.

The arrested NSI officials had allegedly played a key role alongside some police officials in the planned transportation of 10 truckloads of weapons from Bangladesh's southeastern port city of Chittagong to Assam but law enforcement agencies seized the arms in 2004 on their arrival.

Rahim and another detained official had told interrogators and that Dubai-based ARY business group and Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence were involved in the case.

The past military-backed government of chief adviser Fakhruddin Ahmed ordered a reinvestigation last year amid allegations that there was a deliberate attempt on the part of the then BNP-led government to suppress facts in the case.

Rahim and his successor in NSI, retired major general Rezzakul Haider Chowdhury and three other officials of the intelligence agency were arrested and quizzed in custody as part of the investigation into the case.

This confirmation is coming from a neutral third SAARC member about ISI complicity in supplying weapons to militants active in an undisputed territory of India, unlike Kashmir, which is disputed, at least Northern Areas and PoK are disputed.

It is time India makes hay of this while the sun shines. We need to go on a PR offensive with this.

The Chittagong arms haul case refers to police seizing 4,930 different types of firearms, 27,020 grenades, 840 rocket launchers, 300 accessories of rocket launchers, 2,000 grenade launching tubes, 6,392 magazines and 11,40,520 bullets, when the weapons and ammunition.

They were being loaded on 10 trucks from two engine boats at the jetty of Chittagong Urea Fertilizer Limited on April 2, 2004.

For all Musharraf lovers in India, this happened after Pervez Musharraf agreed to peace talks with India in January, 2004!

Basically Pakistan is admitting that India too has the right to supply arms to Baluchi freedom fighters, and any such action need not be interpreted as 'Oh my Gawd, theej eebel Yindoos!' Following in the traditions and precedence set by the Land of the Pure, is nothing wrong.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 15 Jun 2009 13:49

Pakistan is such an absolutely amazing place. If you put that copy of Newsweek down for a moment and think what we’ve built in the last 60 years, I think rationality would require you to be close to awe-struck. Today we are a country on the verge of ascent into globally acknowledged greatness.

1) 100% literacy, up from the current 50-60% levels
2) Completely indigenous power production for 100+% of our needs
3) Reduction in population growth to 1.2%, with further annual reductions from there on
4) Control over fringe nihilist elements let loose in our society by X, Y and Z.
5) Impenetrable external defences
6) An economy that produces a trade surplus
7) A quadrupling of GDP (and per capita income)
8 ) Strengthened institutions; parliament, military, judiciary, executive, law enforcement etc.
9) A culture of citizen contribution; better tax collection, more community involvement
10) Tier-1 infrastructure; roads, flyovers, underpasses, dams and more.

50% of the population in Pakistan is under 18. And according to UNICEF, 80% of children in Pakistan aged 5-9 years are enrolled in school. So, what does that mean for us just 10 years hence? The rate of literacy in Pakistan will grow tremendously. Since no literate parent keeps his/her children illiterate, what will it mean for us just 15-18 years hence? We will be nearing 100% literacy, and at least 100% of our school-age children will be enrolled. By the way, we can do this a lot quicker! There are excellent NGOs, government programs (e.g. Parha Likha Punjab) and other public/private efforts to accelerate this greatly. I have a lot of hope we’ll get to 100% in under 15 years. We are not doing badly.

From some stats I have seen, in 2007 alone about a quarter million AC units made in Pakistan were sold domestically. With each unit averaging 1 ton, consuming 5 amps x 240 volts (1.2 Kw), we are talking about a net addition of 250MW consumption just due to ACs sold in that one year.

We are a country that builds its own Fighter Aircraft. Its own Ballistic Missiles. Its own Cruise Missiles. Its own Tanks. Its own APCs. Its own Submarines. It’s own Frigates. Its own UAVs. And, of course, its own nuclear weapons. And every day all the above get stronger and grow more potent. Bottom line, there is no conceivable external threat faced by us today that could challenge our existence without having its own put out of commission.

The net-net of all of the above is that Pakistan is at the cusp of exponential infrastructural improvement and development. We will transform our country into an even more amazing and wonderful place in the next 10-20 years. We will see continuous improvement in all these areas and more, through the next 2 decades. By 2030 you will see Pakistan emerge as a very significant global power, inshaAllah. It’s all in the numbers and it’s going to happen

clicky

Even Zahid Hamid could not have imagined such things.Now u Kufr yindoos can piss in ur pants

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Jun 2009 13:56

Excerpt of portion dealing with Pakistan from CNN-IBN’s (Devil’s Advocate / Karan Thapar) interview of our Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna:

Published on Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 22:48 ………………..

Karan Thapar: Foreign Minister, let's start with Pakistan. It is 10 days since Hafiz Mohammad Saeed was released and even now the government in Pakistan hasn't made up its mind whether they want to appeal against the release or not. What do you make of that?

SM Krishna: We haven't heard anything from Pakistan about the appeal that they are supposed to make in a higher court of law.

The very release of a known terrorist who was instrumental and masterminded the terrorist attack on India on 26/11 has certainly created doubts in us about the sincerity of Pakistan in dismantling the terror instrumentalities that have come up on the soil of Pakistan.

Karan Thapar: And now the delay in appealing, is that underlining the doubts?

SM Krishna: It is. It is.

Karan Thapar: As you view what happened, do you think Hafiz Mohammad Saeed was released because Pakistan today has a strong and assertive judiciary or because the authorities deliberately presented a weak case?

SM Krishna: Well, we know how cases are fought in a court of law and Pakistan could not be an exception. We know that Pakistan could have made more serious attempts in fighting the case and I believe that not enough was done in pursuing the case.

Karan hapar: Do you have reason to believe that elements of the military or the ISI undermined a strong case? Did they do it on purpose?

SM Krishna: The whole approach of Pakistan has become debatable in as far as terror and attacking terror is concerned.

Karan Thapar: So in a sense handling Hafiz Saeed was a credibility test for Pakistan and in your eyes they haven't necessarily passed that test?

SM Krishna: I think that was one of the important landmarks. He was a terrorist who was wanted in the 26/11 attack and the way he was released and the way Pakistan government took that release and have not followed it up by preferring an appeal shows that they are not serious about pursuing the perpetrators of that attack on India.

Karan Thapar: So Pakistan has actually failed an important credibility test?

SM Krishna: I think over a period of time it is our experience that Pakistan says something for outward consumption but it doesn't really mean what it conveys to the rest of the world.

The complete interview transcript is here:

CNN-IBN

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Jun 2009 15:27

X Posted.

An unlikely Indian version of Lt. Col. Ralph Peters.

Tushar Gandhi demands that GOI must support Pukhtoon secession:

Has India betrayed Afghans?

Jun 14 2009 20:49 hrs IST

By Tushar Gandhi

……………. our betrayal of the Pukhtoons of Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province (NWFP) is tragic. This region has been overrun by the Taliban and the Al Qaeda. In Afghanistan, the Americans are chasing Al Qaeda and their inaccurate bombings are wreaking havoc on the villages of Afghanistan & NWFP. …………..

The world has kept quiet, but the silence of the Indian government is tragic. The Pukhtoons of NWFP, the romantic ‘Qabuliwalas’, have been our friends since long. During our independence struggle, under the leadership of Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, the Frontier Gandhi, the Pukhtoons in their hundreds of thousands joined the non-violent fight for freedom. ……………… The Punjabi politicians of Pakistan have never forgiven the Pukhtoons and have been persecuting them since its inception. Now they have found an ally in the Americans. Under the pretext of fighting the Taliban, the Pakistani military and government have unleashed a reign of terror on the Pukhtoons. Like the Tamils of Sri Lanka …………….. the Pukhtoons too have been dreaming of a Pukhtoonkhwa, a nation comprising of Pukhtoon territories of Afghanistan and NWFP in Pakistan. Unfortunately the Pukhtoons have not found any patrons in their quest for a homeland.

It makes strategic sense for us to help divide Pakistan further by helping the Pukhtoons in their quest for Pukhtoonkhwa, carving out a great Pukhtoon nation friendly towards us. The Pukhtoons are practitioners of the moderate Sufi Islam, they will be a buffer against the Talibanised form of fanatic Islam. The Pukhtoons are being persecuted by both the fanatic Taliban and the vengeful Pakistani establishment. ………………… The Pukhtoons are being decimated and the world is watching silently. But our betrayal of the Qabuliwala is shameful.

A new factor has been introduced into the mess in Pakistan making it even more murky and dangerous for us. President Obama has asked China to intervene in Pakistan. We all know the mischief China has been up to against us in partnership with Pakistan. …………………

Will foreign minister SM Krishna raise these concerns with the US? Will the UPA government stand by our friends — the Pukhtoons?

CLICKY

bart · Post by **bart** » 15 Jun 2009 15:37

Rupesh wrote: clicky

Even Zahid Hamid could not have imagined such things.Now u Kufr yindoos can piss in ur pants

Seriously funny, should come with a NSFW warning as it literally makes you

Should be a sticky on the TSP, Bojitive Neuj, and Humor threads. And if you have any friends and relatives in the mental health/clinical psychology field, they would find it to be interesting material.

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Jun 2009 16:45

Tushar Gandhi demands that GOI must support Pukhtoon secession:

Is this the same WKK Tushar Gandhi?
Wow...

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jun 2009 16:46

I am not making up this next headline.

Operation Rah-e-Rast launched to bring astray people on track: COAS

No longer labelled "miscreants", now they have just gone "astray" (Bhooley Bhatkey). Next time, please refer to the telli-bunnies as "naughty".

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 15 Jun 2009 16:59

Taliban could spread into India, Gulf, warns Pakistan

Pakistan has warned that the Taliban could spread beyond its borders to neighbouring India and as far as the Persian Gulf, unless it receives international aid to help battle militancy on its soil, the Online news agency reported Monday.

I have not seen such lowly forms of life such as the pakis.They have no sharam left in begging (under the guise of threat) from its enemy also.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2009 17:17

From the above posted by Durgesh,

Pakistan has warned that the Taliban could spread beyond its borders to neighbouring India and as far as the Persian Gulf, unless it receives international aid to help battle militancy on its soil, the Online news agency reported Monday.

Pakistan would need up to $2.5 billion in emergency aid and for long-term reconstruction of the Swat Valley and the neighbouring region, once the fighting between government troops and militants, now in its final stage, ended, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in an interview with the Financial Times.

As usual, Pakistan is blackmailing other countries into submission.

Plainly, Pakistan doesn't have the capacity and the means to utilize the billions of dollars by planning and executing developmental projects quickly that would help the people of NWFP, especially FATA. It would divert the huge funds into the pockets of the Generals and politicians and for going on an arms-buying and terrorism spree targetting India.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 15 Jun 2009 17:28

I have few questions
Pak attacks India (non state or state it is all the same) on 26/11. India fumes and frets. Goes to unkil. Lot of noises no visible action from India. Suspends talks . Pak releases terror master mind responsible for 26/11. Obama comes but as suspected goes for tighter embrace of pakis.
Now under pressure from unkil who we may again talk to pakis and we are also reducing (or removing central forces from anti terrorists ops).

Who won this undeclared war and is it not this what paki wanted to achieve in the first place?

Ok India may or may not be supporting some elements in pak against pak establishment? Why can't we announce open moral support for few like balochs etc which may put pressure on pak to give up its claim on kashmir?

archan · Post by **archan** » 15 Jun 2009 17:36

It doesn't work that way in geopolitics I guess. There is one dada and everyone has to be in his good books. Having deniability is a good thing.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jun 2009 17:41

Beg and Fly Budget

What we have is a ‘beg and fly budget’. Beg the US, beg the World Bank and beg the IMF. Beg Japan, the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, China, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Turkey, Australia, Republic of Korea, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Spain — the so-called ‘Friends of Democratic Pakistan’.

If history is any guide, our prime minister will end up spending Rs1.7 billion or Rs14 crore a month every month on his foreign tours. Asif Zardari, the 11th president of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, has reportedly taken a meagre Rs230 million, or less than Rs2 crore a month, from taxpayers kitty.

Also, please stand by for "beg and spend on defence" budget.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 15 Jun 2009 17:42

durgesh wrote:Taliban could spread into India, Gulf, warns Pakistan
Pakistan has warned that the Taliban could spread beyond its borders to neighbouring India and as far as the Persian Gulf, unless it receives international aid to help battle militancy on its soil, the Online news agency reported Monday.
I have not seen such lowly forms of life such as the pakis.They have no sharam left in begging (under the guise of threat) from its enemy also.

Basically this should be a warnng to porkis themselves as the countermeasures from all around will leave them to a more degraded situation. but beggingban in porki govt is the deciding factor in its stance.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jun 2009 17:43

Bill on registration of Sikh, Hindu marriages shortly

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2009 18:18

Don't blame Pakistan: Rehman Malik

Mr. Malik said the bulk of arms and ammunitions being used by the Taliban and other militants were coming from Afghanistan.

"Afghan war was the source of spread of weapons and drugs in Pakistan," he said adding Islamabad would take up the matter with President Hamid Karzai.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Jun 2009 18:26

SSridhar wrote:Taliban could spread to India, Pakistan

Pakistan has warned that the Taliban could spread beyond its borders to neighbouring India and as far as the Persian Gulf, unless it receives international aid to help battle militancy on its soil, the Online news agency reported Monday.

Pakistan would need up to $2.5 billion in emergency aid and for long-term reconstruction of the Swat Valley and the neighbouring region, once the fighting between government troops and militants, now in its final stage, ended, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in an interview with the Financial Times.
As usual, Pakistan is blackmailing other countries into submission.

Plainly, Pakistan doesn't have the capacity and the means to utilize the billions of dollars by planning and executing developmental projects quickly that would help the people of NWFP, especially FATA. It would divert the huge funds into the pockets of the Generals and politicians and for going on an arms-buying and terrorism spree targetting India.

Time to either:

1) Split Pakistan, or
2) Tell Pakistan to move aside and have someone else deal with the problem

Pakistani leaders have become impotent even in their arguments.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Jun 2009 18:30

Hmmm.......................

Here is PakiLogic (TM):

Pakistan would need up to $2.5 billion in emergency aid and for long-term reconstruction of the Swat Valley and the neighbouring region, once the fighting between government troops and militants, now in its final stage, ended, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in an interview with the Financial Times.

How can the Taliban spread to another area if the fighting has ended? "End" should mean the end of the Taliban. IF the Taliban spread to other areas then Pakistan has not done it s job!!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2009 18:52

NRao wrote:How can the Taliban spread to another area if the fighting has ended? "End" should mean the end of the Taliban. IF the Taliban spread to other areas then Pakistan has not done it s job!!

It now transpires that Bajaur where PA announced victory in Feb. 2009, is seeing Taliban activity once again. We know that the Taliban are 'never' routed and vanquished by the PA as they usually claim. They re-appear in the same areas after some R&R in Karachi.

Zardari had said about a month back that after Swat, it would be Waziristan in June, thus giving sufficient time for Mehsud to prepare or take a l'il R&R. Half the month of June is gone. Let's see what drama unfolds there now.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2009 18:58

anupmisra wrote: Operation Rah-e-Rast launched to bring astray people on track: COAS

But, the headline accurately describes Pakistan, IMHO. The PA is making even right-thinking people go astray.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2009 19:04

Bannu, the prelude ?

It is unlikely that the Taliban are going to be defeated in any conventional sense as they are an unconventional force, and can merge into the background as need demands. . . . We are a nation that tends to obey what the mullah tells us to do. . . The general public may be weary of the Taliban and afraid of them, but this is far from there being a national consensus that says ‘fight them to the finish’.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jun 2009 20:32

rkirankr wrote:I have few questions
Pak attacks India (non state or state it is all the same) on 26/11. India fumes and frets. Goes to unkil. Lot of noises no visible action from India. Suspends talks . Pak releases terror master mind responsible for 26/11. Obama comes but as suspected goes for tighter embrace of pakis.

Now under pressure from unkil who we may again talk to pakis and we are also reducing (or removing central forces from anti terrorists ops).

Who won this undeclared war and is it not this what paki wanted to achieve in the first place?

Ok India may or may not be supporting some elements in pak against pak establishment? Why can't we announce open moral support for few like balochs etc which may put pressure on pak to give up its claim on kashmir?

Any action from India, at this time, will nite the lumpen elements that are tearing TSP apart. And we are note sure that massa too wants a fight to tie down India in flash point rhetoric. A reaction is linear thinking. And they are expecting it and preparing for it. The hit has to be assymetric and unrecoverable.

Talks etc are on the cards anyway whether massa wants it or not. Massa cant claim India is playing hardball when its already talking to terrorists. This is more that masssa ever did to Iraq which was not even invloved in 911.