Prem wrote:Well , he should not be afraid should emulate his Jernails by attending the NAM wearing designer Shuttlecock burka.
The onlee thing he might losse is Colgate money for not showing his teeth.
The prominence given in the western media to jihad and jihad freedom movement over the last 30 years is another way to remove the global modern movement for peace and stability in the world. AQ was made the enemy in 2001 but was allowed in various forms for more than 30 yearsramana wrote:The Islamization project of Zia is to make the whole country a jihadi factory - education madarassied, courts shariahised, punishments - Koranic, creation of a clone army to carry the jihad into Dar-ul-Harab. Thats what Islamization means. The idea was to make Islam the identity of TSP.
Supporting the J&K terrorists was a jihad project to bring back it under Dar -ul-Islam. Strategic depth was to carry the fight into Central Asia while hiding form the long reach of Indian retaliation. The creation of Taliban to takeover post Soviet Union Afghanistan was another step. The creation of L-e-T and J-e-M and other three and four letter outfits is part of the irregular Army of Allah.
sorry but it is a terrible idea to give in to Pak's terrorist blackmail in any form. We are already doing it with the PM announcing a resumption of talks. The enemy will draw the only conclusion possible, i.e., terrorism against India works, and therefore will do more of it.vishnua wrote:Overall I think troops "pullout" for pullout sake is good idea. Mind you I am using pull out in a dramatic sense. The idea of pulling out 200 trrops and making it look like as if we are pulling out 20,000 troops with massive press coverage is what is needed.
That will be very good tactical move in the current situation and will not alter long term strategic goal.
This can be done if the Indian media in general can coperate with the admin just like US media were beating the war drums on IRAQ and now acting has a fifth column in the IRAN episode.
Indian admin along with the press has not mastered these kind of stunts.
Allah ke naam pe deta reh baba, ruk mat varna...WASHINGTON: Pakistan on Friday appealed to the US public to make small donations through their cell phones to help care for some 1.7 million people displaced in the military operation launched against the Taliban. Ambassador Hussain Haqqani called on the US public to donate five dollars each by sending text messages and voiced hope that television networks would encourage the effort. US cellular users can make five-dollar donations by texting “Swat” to the number 20222.
Shiv Sir,shiv wrote:
There is a trust/non-trust factor that I believe makes the forum biased.
For many of us:
1) the US is always represented by staunchly pro-US people who are insincere double crossers when it comes to India
2) Pakistan is always represented by staunchly pro-Pakistan people who are insincere double crossers when i comes to India
3) India is always represented by people who are ant-Indian losers who are about to double cross fellow Indians but are nevertheless sincere and honest about it when they promise things to Pakistan and the US.
When a large number of individuals agree independently on one of more of these points, and do not dispute the others, we have a "loose consensus" on BRF backed by self praise. The entire line of thinking on this forum revolves around thee 3 premises and if something does not fit - a conspiracy theory has to be invented to make it fit.
Michael Hughes - The Author says:
Gents- Thanks for the comments, this is exactly the type of discourse that is necessary. I enjoy hearing the perspective of Pakistanis and Muslims, as I admit I have been exposed to mostly a Westernized education.
I would be interested in learning more and talking specifics with many of you. If any of you would be so kind as to post more comments with emails and/or websites where I could comment or post upcoming articles (e.g. - Rupee News, factnews, etc.). Of course I would like to communicate and get clarification from the Indian side as well, from people like Mr. Amalick. My next article could be more about the difference between the two worldviews - two perspectives on history.
The upside might be that I could quote you, if you are comfortable, and even reference your sites for more information to direct readers to give them broader picture.
Let me know your thoughts.
Mike Hughes
Geopolitics Examine
In German 'Kake' means $hit, Mierda, Mierde!!! but could be having similar roots as 'bad'!Prem Kumar wrote:We are probably 30% Democracy & 70% Kakocracy
Kashmir should be left to Gen X! Old Timers are not going to do any justice to the issue!Gerard wrote:How India and Pakistan can resolve Kashmir now
The political atmosphere between the two is ripe for a summit deal.
By Mansoor Ijaz
Point taken. My first whine post. Hopefully wouldnt happen oftenRajeshA wrote: Anyway, why do we end up whining on the TSP Thread! There are zillion other threads to whine in!
why go germany brother?....come to Andhra...kack is very familiar word for $hit...mostly among under 10 aged kids..RajeshA wrote:In German 'Kake' means $hit, Mierda, Mierde!!! .... 'bad'!Prem Kumar wrote:.....70% Kakocracy
Can we have a special thread that gives googlemaps coordinates of all these facilities? Thanks, ramanaAs per the MAC assessment, of the around 2,200 militants in the 42 camps spread across Pakistan, around 300 belong to Lashkar-e-Taiba, 240 to Jaish-e-Mohammed and 130 to Huji, while the rest are of "mixed'' origins.
The "active'' camps in PoK include those in Kotli, Garhi Dupatta, Nikial, Sensa, Gulpur, Forward Kahutta, Peer Chinasi, Jhandi Chauntra, Bhimbher, Barnala, Skardu, Abdullah Bin Masud, Tattapani, Samani and Shavai Nallah, among others.
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The North-West Frontier Province is another hotbed of jihadi activity, with the densely-forested hilly Manshera region, in particular, housing several madrasas, which also double up as training camps. These include Jangal Mangal, Andher Bela, Shinkiari and Jalo Gali, with other NWFP camps including Boi, Oghi and Attar Shisha.
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The other camps in Pakistan and Northern Areas include Muridke, Sialkot, Beesian, Garhi Habibullah and Jalogali. "Many of these camps are makeshift, which can be translocated very quickly to evade scrutiny. Moreover, the real leaders of the various tanzims are based in cities like Islamabad and Lahore,'' said another official.
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vsudhir wrote:Sandeep Unnithan in India Today busting myths about Pakistan, India and the war on terror
Almost lifted off BRF word for word, feels like.
Nahi nahi rakshati DukR^iJNkaraNe
Oh fool ! Rules of Grammar will not save you at the time of your death.
RajeshA wrote:Kashmir should be left to Gen X! Old Timers are not going to do any justice to the issue!Gerard wrote:How India and Pakistan can resolve Kashmir now
The political atmosphere between the two is ripe for a summit deal.
By Mansoor Ijaz
When Ishtiaq went to pay for his tea, the owner noticed that he was wearing a necklace with a cross and grabbed him, calling for his employees to bring anything available to beat him for violating a sign posted on the stall warning non-Muslims to declare their religion before being served.
From google translate I got this....... may be some rakshak may do a better job at translation.The attack in Karachi in 2002 was a "state affair", according to the victims
The investigation into the attack in Karachi in 2002 against the employees of state arsenals DCN is moving towards a "state affair" and not to Al Qaeda, said Thursday June 18 counsel for September families of victims after seeing the judges terrorism.
"The track Al Qaeda is completely abandoned. The motive for the attack appears linked to a cessation of payments of commissions" of France in Pakistan in connection with the sale of Agosta submarines, "said Olivier Morice, to Following a meeting of anti-terrorist judges Trévidic Marc and Yves Jannier with families of victims to Cherbourg.
In a sudden development, President Asif Ali Zardari has decided not to attend the NAM Summit in Egypt next month, apparently to avoid another meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh whose blunt public comments appear to have annoyed Pakistan.
:Friday, June 19, 2009
Mufti Munib demands govt security following Taliban threat
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: The head of an association of madrassas (seminaries), Mufti Munibur Rehman, has sought government protection after receiving death threats for denouncing the Taliban ……………….............
“I am a target and have received threats,” Rehman, the president of Tanzeemul Madaris Pakistan, said ……………..................
“The government’s statements that they have provided us with security are lies,” Rehman said, …………….......... “We ourselves don’t have the resources to hire private security.”
Daily Times
My reply herePrem Kumar wrote:Points 1 to 3 could be defined as a paranoid theory of Indian affairs. Speaking for myself, I lean towards points 1 & 3 above. But we got to ask ourselves how this sort of "groupthink" evolved. I use the word evolved because I dont think people in BRF came in with these preconceived notions. This sort of thinking crystallized only after repeated actions by the GOI and GOTUS that reinforced this belief. If we do a dispassionate analysis of the actions of our leaders, the # of data points that support point (3) would far surpass those against it.shiv wrote:
There is a trust/non-trust factor that I believe makes the forum biased.
For many of us:
1) the US is always represented by staunchly pro-US people who are insincere double crossers when it comes to India
2) Pakistan is always represented by staunchly pro-Pakistan people who are insincere double crossers when i comes to India
3) India is always represented by people who are ant-Indian losers who are about to double cross fellow Indians but are nevertheless sincere and honest about it when they promise things to Pakistan and the US.
When a large number of individuals agree independently on one of more of these points, and do not dispute the others, we have a "loose consensus" on BRF backed by self praise. The entire line of thinking on this forum revolves around thee 3 premises and if something does not fit - a conspiracy theory has to be invented to make it fit.
How many of us honestly believe that our leaders (across the political spectrum) would put country before self?
KV Rao wrote: in fact it may be a very clever and subtle thing to do. But when we do that, we completely ignore the overall strategic and ideological equation and the part that projection of strength and inflexibility play in it.
Hilary Clinton as ‘ustani’
Columnist Irfan Siddiqi wrote in Jang that President Zardari had called journalists nabaaligh (pre-puberty) but the fact was that the rulers of Pakistan are all pupils of a school where adult education (taleem baalighan) was being imparted by Hillary Clinton acting as ustani (school teacher). This ustani wields the stick over them and tells them who is Pakistan’s enemy and who is not.
Against celebrating ‘days’
Daily Jang featured columnist Ataul Haq Qasimi saying that we were copying the West in celebrating various ‘days’ meant to increase sales in shops in the capitalist system. There is mothers’ day, fathers’ day, sisters’ day, etc, while for Muslims every day was the day of all these people. But Pakistan deserved only one day: Day of Honesty.
Columnist gives warning
Writing in Jang Hamid Mir stated that he had heard Swat refugees criticising Maulana Fazlur Rehman for not leaving the government and Mian Nawaz Sharif for becoming friendly with Americans. They also posed questions about the MQM and said things that the Baloch used to say in the past about Pakistan.
America funding Taliban!
Great strategist General (Retd) Hamid Gul told Nawa-e-Waqt that the Taliban who were beheading Pakistani citizens and using suicide-bombers to kill innocent Muslims were not Taliban but criminals who were taking money from America and India to inflict violence inside Pakistan.
Get your bomb ready
A columnist in Nawa-e-Waqt said the Quran had said that Muslims should keep their horses ready in case of war, but in today’s world horses mean atom bombs and Pakistan has an atom bomb meant for its enemy. And who is Pakistan’s enemy? India.
Don’t give trade route to India
Veteran columnist Irshad Haqqani wrote in Jang that he was grateful to God that Pakistani nuclear weapons were safe as assured by the Pakistan and that Pakistan was not about to give transit facility to India for its trade with Afghanistan as assured by the Foreign Office.
Sufi Muhammad grieves his son
Reported in Khabrain Sufi Muhammad of TNSM in Swat Malakand was said to be hiding but he was in deep mourning because of the death of his son at the hands of the Pakistan Army. The Sufi was also suffering from kidney infection. This was disclosed by his spokesman Izzat Khan.
Who is Baitullah Mehsud?
Baitullah Mehsud was born in early 1970 in Landi Dhok, Bannu district of the Frontier Province. He hails from the Shabikhel sub-tribe of the Mehsud. He has four brothers. Baitullah is not formally educated in a school. He went to a madrassah in Akora Khattak for some years {Maulana Sandwich Sami ul Haq's Jamia Darul Uloom Haqqania}, the alma mater of all Taliban, and during this time often traveled to Afghanistan to assist the Taliban in their implementation of the shariah. When Nek Muhammad, the then leader of the Taliban was killed by an American missile strike in 2004, Baitullah stepped into his shoes.
Nek Muhammad made a crucial mistake when he began giving interviews to the Western press using a satellite telephone. Soon, his co-ordinates were picked up by US intelligence, and sources say in those naïve and innocent days when the Bush administration still believed that the Musharraf regime was serious about fighting the Taliban
In December 2007, Baitullah was declared the first leader of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan. Many terrorist attacks have been laid at his door, including the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. While every agency worth its salt believes this to be true, Baitullah has denied it because he knows how revolted Pakistanis were at Benazir’s brutal killing. Conversely, he has accepted responsibility for the most unlikely events simply to curry favour with his anti-American domestic audience. He has claimed responsibility for the shooting in Binghamton, New York on Friday, April 3, 2009. 13 people were killed, after which the attacker committed suicide. In a phone interview, Mehsud confirmed: “I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to US drone attacks”. The CIA rubbished Baitullah’s claim saying the Binghamton slayings were the work of one man who was Vietnamese!
It is worth remembering that General Musharraf signed a peace deal with Baitullah in Feb 2005. Under the terms of the agreement, the army withdrew from the areas controlled by Baitullah and gave him US $ 20 million as “compensation”. {That money was given to Baitullah to 'distribute' among those 'affected' by Army operation and Baitullah took all the money because his guys were also affected !} He took the opportunity offered by the peace deal and built up his power base and a fighting force of several thousand. In August 2007, Baitullah announced that the army had violated the agreement. And so the war games began.