Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby bala » 20 Jun 2009 02:29

US actress Angelina Jolie is the new Ambassador of goodwill to TSP, she having weeped/cry'ed/lectured/consoled openly amongst the august UN crowd. She doled out 1 Million dollars to the useless Taliban sympathizers in TSP, now displaced because TSP ISI/Army are out to get the "Bad Taliban". Anderson Cooper of CNN kept asking her about refugees in Afghanistan but she evaded the question, she evaded the question about Sri Lankan Tamils.

The pukes are in line for gratuitous sympathy from the unknowing US public. After enough bombs descend on the area from US Predators, pukistan will portray themselves as victims and curry favor with the US public at large.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 20 Jun 2009 02:30

RD, our Yehoodi Bhais here are expert at moulding Public opinion , how come they are unable to do so in case of our retarded neighbour . Are they unwilling or not capable of doing so ,IOW ,what are gaps which need to be filled with right kind of material so that Demise of Pakistani Enity (DOPE) happen in our life time.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby svinayak » 20 Jun 2009 02:34

bala wrote:US actress Angelina Jolie is the new Ambassador of goodwill to TSP, she having weeped/cry'ed/lectured/consoled openly amongst the august UN crowd.
The pukes are in line for gratuitous sympathy from the unknowing US public. After enough bombs descend on the area from US Predators, pukistan will portray themselves as victims and curry favor with the US public at large.

This is now a public relations game going on for the image of Pukistan and its pure people. Imran and other prominant people will be in the queue to give talk for the support of the refugees
General US public is really confused about the whole thing.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby svinayak » 20 Jun 2009 02:35

Prem wrote:RD, our Yehoodi Bhais here are expert at moulding Public opinion , how come they are unable to do so in case of our retarded neighbour . Are they unwilling or not capable of doing so ,IOW ,what are gaps which need to be filled with right kind of material so that Demise of Pakistani Enity (DOME) happen in our life time.


This is actually a psy ops played by SD and YY on the Pukis so that they sweat it out and beg and confirm before they get anything.
THey are looking for compliance by the Paki state. Can it work.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 20 Jun 2009 04:31

Time to move on, Dr Singh
Duffer -Hilaley

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=183908

Singh would do better to drive not so much a hard as a fair bargain; and strive for a just rather than a one-sided peace. He has a choice; he can remain, and be forgotten, as a transactional leader or aspire to become a transformational one.

If the chance for peace that exists today is squandered, as it was on at least one earlier occasion, it is unlikely that another opportunity will arise for another generation. Faced by a hostile India, Pakistan will likely revert to the path on which it had been launched by a number of military dictators with, in due course, the current febrile democracy giving way to authoritarian government, militarism and eventually a national security state that will depend as its raison d'etre on continued confrontation or worse with the eternal enemy India.

Surely that is a prospect that India neither relishes nor desires for the subcontinent. And surely to avoid that prospect taking a chance at forging peace, even if it amounts to bucking the establishment at home, is worth the effort. Dr Singh and the Congress have an opportunity to rewrite the sad saga of relations that has plagued our lands and if they decide to rise to this challenge then among the people and the present government in Pakistan they will find willing partners. ( Duffar Hilali , GoP is insignificant, Power rest with the Fauj and they remain terrorist)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 20 Jun 2009 04:38

Would 8% a year be good enough to move on?

WRT talking with Pakistan, what good has it done so far?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby KLNMurthy » 20 Jun 2009 05:33

Prem wrote:Time to move on, Dr Singh
Duffer -Hilaley

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=183908

Singh would do better to drive not so much a hard as a fair bargain; and strive for a just rather than a one-sided peace. He has a choice; he can remain, and be forgotten, as a transactional leader or aspire to become a transformational one.

If the chance for peace that exists today is squandered, as it was on at least one earlier occasion, it is unlikely that another opportunity will arise for another generation. Faced by a hostile India, Pakistan will likely revert to the path on which it had been launched by a number of military dictators with, in due course, the current febrile democracy giving way to authoritarian government, militarism and eventually a national security state that will depend as its raison d'etre on continued confrontation or worse with the eternal enemy India.

Surely that is a prospect that India neither relishes nor desires for the subcontinent. And surely to avoid that prospect taking a chance at forging peace, even if it amounts to bucking the establishment at home, is worth the effort. Dr Singh and the Congress have an opportunity to rewrite the sad saga of relations that has plagued our lands and if they decide to rise to this challenge then among the people and the present government in Pakistan they will find willing partners. ( Duffar Hilali , GoP is insignificant, Power rest with the Fauj and they remain terrorist)


The guy uses the future tense, as if TSP isn't an India-hating entity now. The idiotic thing is that our people buy this idiotic argument.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby John Snow » 20 Jun 2009 07:00

The name is apt Duffer! :rotfl: :rotfl:

(a: anything inferior, counterfeit, or useless.
b: a peddler, esp. one who sells cheap, flashy goods)
:mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 20 Jun 2009 07:11

RajeshA wrote:
@Shiv ji
IMHO, a smaller military force, as is deployed at the moment against the Pakiban, is more likely to commit genocide, than a larger force, the current supplemented by more troops from the Indo-Pak border, as the larger force can put more boots on the ground and overwhelm the enemy thus, but a smaller military force has to rely on aerial bombings, bombardment from a distance, because of which there is far less 'surgicality' to it and far more collateral damage.
India should not allow the Pakistani troops to disengage from the border, by lessening our own troop strength there. However as you say, nothing wrong in toning down the anti-Pak rhetoric in India.


Rajesh that is an interesting theory. But the reality of the history of military ops in the area shows that the Soviets and the US have not been able to eliminate the fighters. The reason of course is geography and a situation that is similar to what the Indian army found itself in during Kargil, except that it is over a far larger area.

Oh I am sure that in theory all the Taliban can be eliminated. But once again let me use the Kargil analogy. India had to use overwhelming odds against a small established force. Putting on my Armchair Field Marshal hat I can see only three possible alternatives

1) Giving up and letting the Taliban win - as occurred after the Soviets left
2) Fighting them to a standstill but being unable to eliminate them because they have too many hiding places dispersed over too large an area. This is what has happened to the Brits, the Soviets, NATO and Amirkhan and now the Paki army
3) Eliminating them: I would like to post some thoughts about eliminating the Taliban

I am not sure if you have heard of "Khedda" operations that were used even upto the mid 20th century in the forests of Karnataka to capture elephants. An area of forest was surrounded by a ring of people with drums and torches and the ring was made smaller and smaller to scare the elephants towards a central area - eventually cornering them for captivity and training as beasts of burden.

The Taliban will have to be eliminated using multiple khedda like operations around thousands of hills, valleys, ridges, caves and rock formations. Even the entire Paki army - 650,000 men will not be able to achieve this in less than fifteen years (my own guesstimate).

Nothing would make me happier than to see the entire Pukistani army combing the hills of Pakistan's wild Northwest in a prolonged exercise of genocide. I believe that we must get the entire Pakistani army engaged in this. After all :twisted: :roll: "India and Pakistan have the same enemy and face the same problems. We will be forever grateful to the heroic Paki army for doing this humanitarian task"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 20 Jun 2009 07:34

krishnapremi wrote:The army desertions and the imran statement are happy auguries.A few days back I was worried that Pakjabis might turn the corner.Psaggudin shared my worries.But the Pakjabis have been Tactically Brilliant.Trust them to continue with their TB.


I hope so too krishnapremi, and I agree that both news items are the stuff of "aapke mooh mein ghee-shakkar"

There are other subtle hints of desperate carrot and stick. Obama makes the payoff 1.5 billion a year, and Amirkhan begs India to be less threatening to Pakistan so that Pakistan cannot give the same old India excuses to Amirkhan to do the work.

The appointment of Angelina Jolie is also an interesting move. It is an endorsement of the Paki army's scorched earth tactics where villages and towns are being emptied of residents (who become refugees) and then destroying the village. That is why Imran Khan is concerned about what he refugees will say after the go back to their villages. Amirkhan is teling Pakis - we will appoint an ambassador for refugees and get you more money - you keep doing what you are doing.

The US knows fully well that it does not have the number of troops needed to clear out the Taliban. Hundreds of thousands of Paki troops will be needed. The US knows fully well that the only way to get the Taliban quickest is to remove their human support. Rather than Amirkhans causing "collateral damage" - let Pakis create refugees (which cannot be called collateral damage :rotfl: ). And this will have to be done over thousands of square km. Goody Goody. :twisted:

More troops! We need more troops! More money!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 20 Jun 2009 09:33

Pak's new strategy: Target only Mehsud

Call it a war strategy or a ploy to divide the Taliban conglomerate, Pakistan seems to be focusing only on outlawed Tehrik-i-Taliban's leader Baitullah Mehsud — at least five other prominent militant groups don't figure in government's hitlist.

Post-9 /11, Waziristan, where Pakistani forces have luanched an operation called Rah-e-Nijat (the path of salvation ), has served as a safe haven for al-Qaida and Taliban militants fleeing relentless bombardment of US-led forces in Afghanistan.

Besides Mehsud, the other militant groups are led by Sirajuddin Haqqani, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir. Recently , two other groups, led by Qari Zainuddin and Turkistan Bhittani, have emerged in the region. These groups run their separate training camps.

Excluding Mehsud, all other groups are said to be pro-Pakistan and are fighting in Afghanistan. The current operation, analysts say, can be successful if it targets all other militant groups as well.

In February, Taliban groups formed a United Council of Mujahedeen under the leadership of Mehsud. Sirajuddin Haqqani, the most wanted person in Afghanistan, was the architect of this alliance.

In an attempt to drive a wedge among the groups, the government tried to isolate Mehsud before launching the operation in Waziristan. So far, two Taliban commanders, Qari Mehsud and Turkistan Bhittani, have taken clear positions against Mehsud and announced to fight against him.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Prem » 20 Jun 2009 09:47

Deoband ulema term all Taliban actions un-Islamic (WTHeck)

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... slamic--bi

KARACHI: Senior clerics of India’s top seminary whose version of Islam the Taliban claim to follow have denounced the actions of the hardline militia, saying the group does not qualify to enjoy affiliations with the historic madressah.

In an interview with a correspondent of the BBC Urdu Service, the rector and the head of faculty of Darul Uloom (Waqf) Deoband said attacks by ‘vigilantes’ in which innocent people died was not jihad but ‘individual zulm (oppression)’.

Seen in this light, attacks on shrines, barber shops and educational institutions were all un-Islamic. Maulana Saalim Qasimi went to the extent of characterising the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, which was ousted by the US forces in 2001, as ‘un-Islamic’.

He said the Taliban did not comprehend fully the tenets of Islam even though much was made of their ‘Islamic government’.

He said Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who supported the Afghan regime, was not a religious scholar. ‘He is more of a politician than a scholar.’ ‘However, his father, Mufti Mehmood, was a scholar,’ he said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 20 Jun 2009 09:55

The Taliban diaries of war making

The obvious question that comes to mind is from where they obtained this information. Even a chemist would need to be pointed in the right direction to collect the relevant data and schematics. This information has to come from an intelligence agency. Mossad, CIA, RAW or ISI: take your pick.

As far as Pakistan’s future is concerned, the question of who trained them pales in insignificance when compared to the implication: it lends credence to a conclusion I arrived at in an earlier article, that we are not destined to see the end of murder, mayhem, and suicide attacks in Pakistan for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 20 Jun 2009 10:10

The Kingdom in Pakistan
While returning from Hajj three years ago, I had my first encounter with the pernicious evangelism of the Saudi brand of Wahhabi Islam. Before boarding the flight from Jeddah to Islamabad, each passenger was handed a book in Urdu, free of charge, by the Saudi boarding agent in which allegations of heresy were made against any Muslims who did not adhere to the “pure” Saudi brand of Islam. If each Haji returning to Pakistan is to be gifted such vitriol against pluralism, imagine what is going on in madrassas that receive funds from Saudi sources.
The Saudi government and Wahhabi sympathisers have recently attempted to differentiate Wahhabi Doctrine from “Qutbist” doctrine, named after the Egyptian Muslim Brother Syed Qutb, who travelled extensively in Western countries as well. They have argued that Al Qaeda leaders follow Qutbist views rather than Wahhabi views. However, this argument is not as compelling if one reads some of the writings of Syed Qutb, in books with misleading titles such as Islam and Universal Peace (1977). Much of this book follows a supremacist ideology that can be found in the Wahhabi tradition as well.


One doesn't need to split hairs on fine differences among Salafism, Wahhabism and Muslim Brotherhood. For the rest of the world, wracked by terrorists espousing any of these varieties of Islam, it hardly matters.

King Abdulaziz Al Saud created the Ikhawans with whom he fought the tribes and founded KSA. When it was time to close the Ikhwani shop, they resented and so King Abdulaziz located them in desert oases and introduced them to farming. Al Qassim, which today is a hotbed of Salfism/Wahhabism/Muslim Brotherhood, is a prime example of one such settlement. Later, KSA gave refuge to activists of Muslim Brotherhood who were hounded out of Nasser's Egypt. Nasser, in turn, created problems for KSA through Yemenis in the South. Osama bin Laden was influenced by teachings of Muslim Brotherhood in a Jeddah school and became a member (which was by invitation only).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Dipanker » 20 Jun 2009 10:17

shiv wrote:
1) Giving up and letting the Taliban win - as occurred after the Soviets left


Actually Najibullah's forces were able to hold them out for 3 more years and did score some notable victories againsts them such as in Jalalabad.

The rag tag afghan army proved more than a match to the Mujahids, that goes to show how pathetic the mujahids were in their fighting skill. No wonder the Soviets slaughtered over 1 million of them for a measley tally of about 13,000 Soviets dead.

And the Paki idiots believe that they defeated the Soviets! :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Anujan » 20 Jun 2009 10:33

How to create sarkari taliban from non-sarkari taliban:

Pakistan's offensive opens new forum for militants: refugee camps

Even as Pakistan's Army wraps up operations to clear the Taliban from Swat Valley, religious groups with militant ties or sympathies have set up shop among the war's refugees – and are winning popular support with their truckloads of aid. Among the organizations providing relief is the Falah-e-Insaniyat Foundation (FIF), the charity wing of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the banned militant group blamed for last November's Mumbai (Bombay) attacks.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Dipanker » 20 Jun 2009 10:55

Obama refuses Kashmir mediation, favours Indo-Pak dialogue
20 Jun 2009, 0942 hrs IST, PTI

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Obama-rules-out-any-mediation-on-Kashmir/articleshow/4679223.cms

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 20 Jun 2009 18:32

If Seraikistan is not created, there will be NWFP-like situation in South Punjab

PML-F parliamentary leader Makhdoom Ahmed Mehmood has warned of an NWFP-like insurgency in the Southern Punjab if reasons behind demand for Saraekistan are not thrashed out.

In his 25-minute-long speech during the post budget session of the Punjab Assembly on Friday amid pin drop silence in the House, the PML-F leader demanded an allocation of at least Rs 50 billion for the highly populated Southern Punjab and warned a "fight between the haves and have-nots" could be really detrimental for the province. Besides, he also called for the need to open debate on the issue of Saraeki province to diminish the chances of any insurgency in the future.

He said the country was passing through very critical phase of its history as the elected representatives in most parts of the NWFP and other troubled areas could not even visit their constituencies. Similarly, he said situation was not that good in Punjab and asserted the "country could slip from our hands if serious and honest efforts" were not made.

Makhdoom Ahmed said it was really unfortunate that for a district like Rahimyar Khan which comprises of a population of 3.6 million, only a few colleges were functioning which were established by his father in the past.

On the other hand, he said, Gujranwala district had 37 degree colleges. It showed the disparity between the two parts of Punjab, he added.

He said in the Southern Punjab, several industries were established but it must be known to all that majority of people working there did not belong to the area. He said majority of the worker either hails from upper Punjab or Sindh.

Coming hard on the bureaucracy sitting in the provincial capital Lahore for ignoring Rahimyar Khan and other districts of the highly populated Southern Punjab, Ahmed Mehmood said it had become really hard for an ordinary citizen to meet a bureaucrat for the solution of his problems. He added even the office of an emperor was not that established and decorated as that of the WAPDA chairman.

Criticising the undue protocol for VIPs, he said huge cavalcade of the Prime Minister and the Chief Minister comprising dozens of cars was another example of the "glory and splendor". We must put an end to it and pay attention to issues of the people, he said.

He said the authoritative politics must come to an end now, otherwise, the voices heard in Balochistan and NWFP could be heard in Punjab as well. He even went on to say that this "could be the last batch of parliamentarians" if proper steps were not taken by the authorities. Terming the demand of a province of Southern Punjab a mild anti biotic, he said the governance could improve if a province was made but added the need of the hour was to open a debate over the issue. He said insurgency could not be ruled out if the issue was not addressed.

The country is in a very critical condition and we have to take the bull by the horns now,í said Makhdoom.


Jai Ho Seraikistan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby SSridhar » 20 Jun 2009 18:40

Pakistani federal minister financing terrorism

FIA authorities are grappling with the alarming possibility of a large part of the Rs 15 billion laundered through the forex firm of minister Raziq having been dispensed to the volatile tribal areas during the past seven months. The billions were transferred from the 21 secret bank accounts in nine private banks of Lahore by the three employees of Malik Exchange owned by the Minister of State, Abdul Raziq.

The Minister of State for Kashmir and Northern Areas, Abdul Raziq was elected Senator as an independent and himself belongs to the Fata and was rewarded with a ministerial slot for lending his support to the PPP government at the Centre.

Talking to The News, DG FIA Tariq Khosa mincing no words said, “This not only a national issue as there are international dimension of this forex scam too”. Khosa said the “outward diversion of these billions from the accounts of three employees of Malik Exchange is worrisome for me. It’s a matter of further inquiry at this stage if this money was also being sent to Afghanistan”.

However, to a question, the DG FIA said that at this stage he was not sure whether these billions were being used to finance terrorism in those areas through Hundi and Hawal business based in Lahore, as he believed only further inquiry would help the investigators answer this scary question.

What was earlier being viewed by investigators as just another massive illegal fund transfer operation is now being investigated as a serious national security threat after it was revealed that billions of rupees were being quietly transferred from the 21 secret bank accounts to the tribal areas where the forces are fighting a full blown war against the militants.

In private conservations with this correspondent, official sources told that out of a colossal Rs20 billions transactions from the accounts during last seven months, about 80 percent of the amounts were found to have been sent to the troubled tribal areas. Sources in FIA Lahore Circle said the investigators are not precluding the very real possibility of billions of rupees having been sent to Afghanistan {and Kashmir and other parts of India perhaps} and other troubled areas of the country.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby anupmisra » 20 Jun 2009 19:33

Trapped in debt
Pakistan locked in debt cycle: Economic Survey

ISLAMABAD: The budget documents and the figures available in Economic Survey of Pakistan for 2008-09, revealed that Pakistan has now trapped into vicious circle of debt repayments as debt liabilities have been exceeding the estimates of total foreign receipts.


In the fiscal year 2009-10, the government is expecting a supply of $2.5 billion dollars as loans from donor countries and multilateral agencies, whereas the total allocation for debt repayments and servicing of foreign debt in 2009-10 stands at $2.53 billion dollars.


Hence, the government is raising debt to pay debt and the relief impact of the expected foreign loan is difficult to see
.

The total outstanding debt is therefore $119.9 billion dollars; roughly 57.6 per cent of the total Gross Domestic Product (GDP).


Keeping in view these statistics, Pakistani citizens per head debt is about 55.2 per cent of the per capita Gross National Income (GNI). Pakistan’s debt is about five times more than total average annual exports earnings, six times its budgetary revenues and sixteen times more than foreign investment inflow.


Solution: simple! Get a bigger begging bowl and grease up.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby p_saggu » 20 Jun 2009 22:25

With this economic situation, how are they going to pay for those U-boats? The Eff solah upgrade?
The chinese I know have given them free loans on the F-22 frigates, the Saab AEW aircraft are already paid for I think.

How do the economics of these mil purchases work?

All these years of begging, and it has increased manifold these last few years, they have not developed any industry to be able to export any thing significant and earn hard foreign currency. Any hopes of foreign investment have evaporated with the lack of trust in the Pakistan brand name as a whole. No amount of Angelina Jolie or Imran Khan will help in that.

Someone deep into economics needs to elaborate on how does a nation go to from going broke. What's going to happen in the cities and towns in pakistan if the economic situation continues to deteriorate.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Gerard » 20 Jun 2009 23:09

War calls back princess to a long-ago homeland
Although she often wears a chaddor so that she can go unnoticed in the camps, she was recognised once by a woman whose mother used to work as a maid in her grandfather’s house. Her own home had been destroyed by a missile. Over and over the young woman wailed: “Why, why did your family abandon us? Why did you hand us over to the Pakistani government? Why? Now we have nowhere to go.”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby rajsunder » 20 Jun 2009 23:27

SSridhar wrote:The Taliban diaries of war making

The obvious question that comes to mind is from where they obtained this information. Even a chemist would need to be pointed in the right direction to collect the relevant data and schematics. This information has to come from an intelligence agency. Mossad, CIA, RAW or ISI: take your pick.

As far as Pakistan’s future is concerned, the question of who trained them pales in insignificance when compared to the implication: it lends credence to a conclusion I arrived at in an earlier article, that we are not destined to see the end of murder, mayhem, and suicide attacks in Pakistan for the foreseeable future.


I am not sure how informed the author of this article is, but u canfind out that info of what he is attributing to CIA, MOSSAD, RAW on google.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Satya_anveshi » 20 Jun 2009 23:29

Still no one posted the claim of PA about sending 32 militants to jannat?

Here it is:
Thirty-two militants killed in South Waziristan: military

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Anujan » 20 Jun 2009 23:34

p_saggu wrote:With this economic situation, how are they going to pay for those U-boats? The Eff solah upgrade?
The chinese I know have given them free loans on the F-22 frigates, the Saab AEW aircraft are already paid for I think.

How do the economics of these mil purchases work?


Thats why the recent hullabullao about "Dont give us aid, forgive our debts onlee".
BTW how come they are in so much debt. Wasnt a bulk of it forgiven, rescheduled on very favorable terms during Mushy era post 9/11 ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Gerard » 21 Jun 2009 00:54

Seeking Truth and Trust in Pakistan
U.S. envoy Richard C. Holbrooke, red-faced and sweaty, sat on the dirt floor of a stifling tent as Aslam Khan, a 38-year-old laborer, spoke haltingly of his family's panicked flight from a Pakistani army offensive against Taliban forces in their mountain village, three hours north of here.
"Your daughter is beautiful," Holbrooke continued, nodding toward a young woman who sat quietly at the edge of the family. Her head was covered in a royal-blue scarf that revealed only her stunningly dark eyes.

"That's not my daughter," Khan said abruptly. After an awkward silence, the woman explained that she was a Pakistani police officer. It was unclear whether she was there to protect Holbrooke from the refugees, or to monitor what they told him.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby vera_k » 21 Jun 2009 01:30



Progress in Pakistan. They are no longer using multiples of 10 for the body count.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 21 Jun 2009 02:20

Gerard wrote:Seeking Truth and Trust in Pakistan
"Your daughter is beautiful," Holbrooke continued, nodding toward a young woman who sat quietly at the edge of the family. Her head was covered in a royal-blue scarf that revealed only her stunningly dark eyes.

"That's not my daughter," Khan said abruptly. After an awkward silence, the woman explained that she was a Pakistani police officer. It was unclear whether she was there to protect Holbrooke from the refugees, or to monitor what they told him.


What do you know. Even the Pakistanis do not trust the Americans!!

http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?p ... sh0188.jpg

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby NRao » 21 Jun 2009 02:29

Seems to far worse than I thought.

God bless.

IMHO, they ALL need India.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Anujan » 21 Jun 2009 04:33

Not a profound article, but the gems in it forced me to post

After Karachi’s cruel blackout
Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah .... said the fault lay with “those who had privatised the KESC”,...Federal Water and Power Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf came up with the answer: it is not easy for the government to take over KESC because its privatisation has the “involvement of some friendly countries”.

KESC was privatised by the Musharraf regime when Pakistan was not such an attractive place for investment. The interested party had come in and then tried to run away after grasping the enormity of challenge of a system that state ownership had allowed to run down. The sale was therefore “leveraged” with friendship and this is what the federal water and power minister is referring to :lol:


What exactly is "leveraged with friendship" and who exactly owns electricity generation and power distribution in Krachi ?


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 21 Jun 2009 06:30

Anujan wrote:What exactly is "leveraged with friendship" and who exactly owns electricity generation and power distribution in Krachi ?



Well you are my friend. I have a white-domed building with four minarets for sale in Agra. I sell it to you at a discount. You are having some trouble talking possession of your property in Agra.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby shiv » 21 Jun 2009 06:31



The United States would give all it could in monetary and material aid, he told the refugees, but would send no troops. "It's up to the Pakistani army to give you security," he said. "It's not our job."

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby Pranay » 21 Jun 2009 08:16

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124545596378432975.html

French bombing inquiry into deadly blast in Karachi takes a bizarre new turn...

By DAVID GAUTHIER-VILLARS

PARIS -- Prosecutors investigating a 2002 bombing in Pakistan that killed 11 French citizens are taking their probe in a new direction, looking into whether the attack was retaliation for a failure to pay alleged bribes, according to a lawyer and people close to the probe.

Prosecutors are also looking into whether the arrangement involved planned kickbacks to the campaign of a French prime minister who was running for president.


This week, Paris-based antiterrorist investigative magistrates informed families of the 11 French victims that they were looking into whether the attack happened because France allegedly reneged on a pledge to pay alleged commissions related to the lucrative submarine-building contract, according to Olivier Morice, a lawyer for the families. The new line of inquiry was also confirmed by people close to the probe.

"There was a terrorist act in which French citizens were killed," Mr. Morice said Friday after a meeting with investigators. "But the motive may be that France did not pay commissions it had pledged to pay."

After examining documents from the time, prosecutors are looking into whether -- as part of the overall submarine contract -- French officials allegedly agreed to pay $33 million to intermediaries who had helped France secure the contract, say Mr. Morice and the people close to the probe.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby arun » 21 Jun 2009 09:14

Journalist David Rohde of the New York Times escapes after being kidnapped and held captive for 7 months by Islamic terrorists, the Taliban, in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Times Reporter Escapes Taliban After 7 Months

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Postby sum » 21 Jun 2009 09:41

This week, Paris-based antiterrorist investigative magistrates informed families of the 11 French victims that they were looking into whether the attack happened because France allegedly reneged on a pledge to pay alleged commissions related to the lucrative submarine-building contract, according to Olivier Morice, a lawyer for the families. The new line of inquiry was also confirmed by people close to the probe.

Just when you think you have seen it all, the Pakis spring new surprises...

Wish that at least these kind of things force the arms dealers from staying away from Pak.


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