International Military Discussion

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 30 May 2009 16:42

Administration blocks helicopters for Israel due to civilian casualties in Gaza

Government sources said the administration has held up Israel's request for the AH-64D Apache Longbow attack helicopter. The sources said the request was undergoing an interagency review to determine whether additional Longbow helicopters would threaten Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 31 May 2009 01:58

US lab debuts super laser

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 31 May 2009 02:00

Cyberwar Contractors Vie for Plum Work, Hacking for the United States

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 May 2009 19:36

Sigh.

http://www.paf.gov.pk/:

HackeD By ZombiE_KsA and Cyber-Criminal

Pakistan Air Force Offical Website HackeD By Pakistani l33t H4x0rz

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 31 May 2009 19:41

Can't stop laughing.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 01 Jun 2009 03:54

Russian arms exports to grow by up to $800 mln in 2009

Varlamov confirmed that the Chinese and the Indian share of Russian arms exports decreased to 16-18% last year and could dwindle even further. However, Russia is expanding its presence on other markets, including in the Middle East and in Latin America.

"We are increasing our arms exports by penetrating the markets of other countries," Varlamov said, adding that the U.S. remains Russia's key competitor in global arms sales.

In military-technical cooperation with India and China, Russia has shifted focus to joint development of weaponry and defense technologies, he said.

Russia and India, in particular, have developed the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, and agreed to jointly develop a medium-haul military transport plane and a fifth-generation fighter jet.

viveks · Post by **viveks** » 01 Jun 2009 17:00

NRao wrote:Sigh.
http://www.paf.gov.pk/:

If this is a government website....then it appears they openly declare india to be the enemy.
Inku...dera dera ke inka dimaag kharab kar ke rakh dena chahiye. musti hoga...FBI log jaise karte hain.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 01 Jun 2009 18:19

China's moving its AWACS to the NK border...What says gurus? A sign of things to come?
http://www.alert5.com/2009/06/photo-chi ... -city.html

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 01 Jun 2009 21:59

The French equivalent of MARCOS. No particular reason for posting this. Just thought it looked grand and felt like sharing it with you guys. Please let me know if its forbidden to do so.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9379/610xwm3.jpg

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Jun 2009 09:08

Please let me know if its forbidden to do so.

The forbidden thing would be commenting on their helmets v/s our "scooter helmets"!!!

(sorry for the OT but couldn't resist

)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Jun 2009 09:37

One of the modernised SA-3 with improved radio command control , surprisingly manouverable , look at the cork screw manouver and the aglity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcmn7Pl4 ... re=related

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 02 Jun 2009 10:08

note the distinctive feature of GIGN forces, their heavy ballistic shield on their helmets. I think it can stop even a 9mm at close range. it gives unprecedented protection but its also heavy.

but heck if they can hold it why cant our boys.

also one of the operators is holding an unusual buttstock for MP5 (AK 47 style). they sure have wide variety of weapons/accessories to choose from.

PranoyG · Post by **PranoyG** » 02 Jun 2009 14:34

Dmurphy wrote:The French equivalent of MARCOS. No particular reason for posting this. Just thought it looked grand and felt like sharing it with you guys. Please let me know if its forbidden to do so.

Hey is it just me or do those MP5's look like they've had their barrels modified to look like the HK416

PranoyG · Post by **PranoyG** » 02 Jun 2009 14:35

Sid wrote:note the distinctive feature of GIGN forces, their heavy ballistic shield on their helmets. I think it can stop even a 9mm at close range. it gives unprecedented protection but its also heavy.

but heck if they can hold it why cant our boys.

also one of the operators is holding an unusual buttstock for MP5 (AK 47 style). they sure have wide variety of weapons/accessories to choose from.

Are you talking about the guy in the middle coz he looks like he's carrying the SIG SG552

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 02 Jun 2009 17:57

But I think that we ought to review the pics of all major counter terror and Commando units the world over. The equipment they carry is for reasons of their operational doctrine and needs.
considering that our own special forces don't exactly lack funds, we need to see where we can upgrade / build commonality.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 Jun 2009 11:38

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4044893/The-N ... y-Politics

As a result of the emergence of infantry, artillery, and the trace italienne, armies increased in size and
complexity. Table 3.1 shows the tremendous increase in military manpower for various emergent, European
territorial states from the fifteenth to the eighteenth century.
Table 3.1 Increase in Military Manpower, 1200–1800
Code: Select all
Date Spain France England Prussia Sweden Holland
1200s 50,000 25,000
1300s 37,500 60,000 32,000
1400s 60,000 40,000 25,000
1500s 200,000 80,000 30,000 15,000 20,000
1600s 300,000 120,000 70,000 30,000 70,000 30,000
1700s 98,000 400,000 200,000 162,000 100,000 100,000
1800s 600,000 347,000 1,200,000 
Source: Karen A. Rasler and William R. Thompson, War and State Making (Boston:
Unwin Hyman, 1980), 66, and Brian M. Downing, The Military Revolution and
Political Change (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1992), 69.

dorai · Post by **dorai** » 04 Jun 2009 02:01

Here's a video compilation about the "weird" Norwegian jet purchase that went to JSF but no journalist can really find out why their gov thought it would not only be the best but also the cheapest jet... even parliament don't know. Later they also admit it might not be the cheapest at all.. lol.

Full version 15min http://blip.tv/file/2181069/
Short version 10min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZkt-Gx1ST4&fmt=22

Some interesting comments by Eurofighter, Jane's defence, SIPRI, Saab... SIPRI says something about US political pressure they had seen in other competitions aswell... makes me wonder what kind of pressure is going on around the world right now...

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 Jun 2009 07:55

Austin wrote:One of the modernised SA-3 with improved radio command control , surprisingly manouverable , look at the cork screw manouver and the aglity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcmn7Pl4 ... re=related

I would think ALL good missiles in this era could do that with ease. After all they ALL have to chase the same hare.

As long as they do not come back and hit the launcher that launched them ..............................

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 04 Jun 2009 16:09

Dmurphy wrote:China's moving its AWACS to the NK border...What says gurus? A sign of things to come?
http://www.alert5.com/2009/06/photo-chi ... -city.html

No... its just the regime change in NoKo, and PRC is worried about sneak attacks by Khans, SoKos or anyone else....

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 04 Jun 2009 17:13

^^what if china interferes in any quick attack by usa/sk, ?
who will hold the ground and who will run away?

Mihir · Post by **Mihir** » 04 Jun 2009 19:47

Exclusive: The unseen photographs that throw new light on the First World War

By John Lichfield

Friday, 22 May 2009

A treasure trove of First World War photographs was discovered recently in France. Published here for the first time, they show British soldiers on their way to the Somme. But who took them? And who were these Tommies marching off to die?

dorai · Post by **dorai** » 05 Jun 2009 02:01

war of words?

After Lockheed said the JSF was far more A2A capable vs +4th gen jets Saab went and did 50 simulations pitting the JSF/Gripen against SU-35...

Saab says during a typical 4 vs 4 the team of SU-35's would beat team JSF 8 times out of 13.

Big reason being the number of missiles they can take to a fight.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... sment.html

DATE:03/06/09
SOURCE:Flight International

Peter Nilsson, vice-president operational capabilities for Gripen International, says the results quash Lockheed's marketing claims that the JSF is over six times more capable than current-generation fighters in air-to-air combat.

Imagine JSF vs PAK-FA...

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 08 Jun 2009 17:30

IDF tells officers: Lose the PowerPoint presentations

The deputy chief of staff, Brig. Gen. Erez Weiner, wrote a damning indictment of such presentations in last month's issue of the IDF journal Maarachot. PowerPoint presentations, he wrote, represent "a strong point that has turned into a weak point. The Americans have concluded that using them makes discussions shallower and compromises analysis. The IDF remains addicted to this tool, and is paying for it dearly."

Weiner also quoted U.S. military scholar Col. Douglas Macgregor, who has published reports on senior defense figures discovering that the officers were simplifying complex ideas with "sound bites and amusing pictures." Since they were not forced to explain their positions over several written pages, the officers tended to resort to less coherent arguments.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Jun 2009 17:57

I thought this disease was localized to itvity but apparently the most tfta army is also prone to it.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Jun 2009 18:36

Crucial role of MI-35 attack helos during the Eelam War 4.

http://www.island.lk/2009/06/08/news3.html

EXcerpt:

Mi 24s role in eelam war IV emphasised
by Shamindra Ferdinando

The Hingurakgoda-based Mi 24 helicopter gunship squadron played a critical role in the recently concluded eelam war IV with nearly 400 missions in the Northern and Eastern theatres. Known as the No 09 squadron, it had caused devastating losses in coordinated attacks directed at fortified LTTE positions situated close to what Wing Commander Sampath Thuycontha, Commanding Officer of the squadron called forward location of own troops.’

In an interview with The Island, the veteran flyer said that despite having a range of weapons, including dedicated anti-aircraft guns the LTTE never succeeded in threatening their operations. "Of course, they hit our choppers on many occasions, maybe about 35 instances during the entire offensive. Some times, damaged choppers had to come down in areas where fighting was raging," he said, adding that their engineering section always responded swiftly and decisively to any emergency........

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 10 Jun 2009 04:19

Paris Air Show 2009 Exhibitor Profiles

China becomes world's second military spender

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Jun 2009 06:57

Dashed Hopes for Poland's Defence

It seems that Polish hopes have been dashed two-fold recently. During talks in Brussels, Polish Defence Minister Bogdan Klich was told that Poland will not receive MRAP-type vehicles, and while they will receive the promised Patriot missiles, the missiles will be unarmed.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 14 Jun 2009 18:47

Weapons makers look overseas as Pentagon cuts back

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 15 Jun 2009 01:38

The Israeli military has reportedly designed a robotic snake which can spy on enemies and plant bombs.

A robotic snake

The robotic snake can even stand up vertically to peer over obstacles

The remote-controlled reptile is able to sneak through cracks in buildings to gather information on enemy combatants, according to Israel's Channel 2 TV.

It can even stretch its neck up vertically to peek over obstacles in its way.

Researchers studied the movements of snakes to ensure that the robotic equivalent mimics them correctly.

A soldier controls the snake from a remote laptop and can follow what it sees via video cameras.

Footage posted online shows the six-foot long snake in camouflage gear, winding its way through rocks and tree stumps.

The video is getting thousands of hits on YouTube after a user called "Korozzz" posted it.

A very very interesting weapon concept indeed , that fact that Israel have developed this fives me hope that maybe we could acquire it and use it in forests of Kashmir to greatly reduce our soldiers casualties and even other marshy areas like NE and BD border.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... n_Enemies_

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-dzZBa6TQE&feature=fvhl

Andrew DeCristofaro · Post by **Andrew DeCristofaro** » 15 Jun 2009 03:15

now US supplying new mi17 to iraq and apkistan to fight terror

now mi17 is much cheaper than similar western helicopter and reliable too,so US wanted to save some millions over this

anand_sankar · Post by **anand_sankar** » 16 Jun 2009 19:42

Found this interesting site which has some brilliant archival photographs of the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Check links below

http://englishrussia.com/?p=972

http://englishrussia.com/?p=1778

http://englishrussia.com/?p=408

http://englishrussia.com/?p=1958 --- Note heavy MANPAD damage to Su-25

http://englishrussia.com/?p=2311#more-2311 -- Has VDV and Spetznaz troops

This is MAKS 2007, simply stunning aerobatics http://englishrussia.com/?p=1344

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Jun 2009 19:57

Nice pics of the Soviet era, buddy..

didn't have the mind to IB4TL it after seeing the pics.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 16 Jun 2009 20:16

Perhaps this should be posted to the International Mil Discussion thread unless these pics spark off a discussion here. Very nice pics, thanks!

A long time back I remember seeing some of the really gory pics of Russians in captivity getting buggered and tortured. At the time of those pics, US would gleefully point how the 'gallant' Afghans were giving it to the Russians and supporting the free world. Now that the US troops are the the receiving end, the same 'gallant' Afghans have now conveniently become terrorists! - you reap what you sow

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 18 Jun 2009 00:08

Times they are a-changing: US Air Force training more drone operators than fighter or bomber pilots combined

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/16/ ... 245153649/

Highlights:

More troops will be trained as unmanned airplane operators than as fighter or bomber pilots combined, the U.S. Air Force said.

The Air Force said it will train 240 pilots to fly Predator and Reaper drones compared with 214 fighter and bomber pilots for fiscal year 2009 ending Sept. 30. Officials said there are 550 drone operators compared with 3,700 fighter and 900 bomber pilots.

"The capability provided by the unmanned aircraft is game-changing," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz told USA Today. "We can have eyes 24/7 on our adversaries. The importance of that is clear in the feedback from the ground troops -- this is a capability they don't want to be without."

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Jun 2009 01:03

June, 2009 :: Defence giants clash over US tanker contract

soutikghosh · Post by **soutikghosh** » 18 Jun 2009 10:50

Ballistic and Cruise Threat-2009

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/missil.../NASIC2009.pdf

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 19 Jun 2009 22:49

The US is moving a radar on a offshore platform like this over to Hawaii in view of a possible North Korean Missile test aimed at the Hawaii Islands.

Gives you ideas for protection of Bombay High.

Vinito · Post by **Vinito** » 22 Jun 2009 23:21

dorai wrote:war of words?

After Lockheed said the JSF was far more A2A capable vs +4th gen jets Saab went and did 50 simulations pitting the JSF/Gripen against SU-35...

Saab says during a typical 4 vs 4 the team of SU-35's would beat team JSF 8 times out of 13.

Big reason being the number of missiles they can take to a fight.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... sment.html

DATE:03/06/09
SOURCE:Flight International

Peter Nilsson, vice-president operational capabilities for Gripen International, says the results quash Lockheed's marketing claims that the JSF is over six times more capable than current-generation fighters in air-to-air combat.
Imagine JSF vs PAK-FA...

a 2007 version of Janes Defence Weekly mentioned that the JSF was good only for A2G use and the A2A was just being used to marketing. In the A2A role the JSF has serious limitations...Let me post the edition number for reference once I find it

viveks · Post by **viveks** » 22 Jun 2009 23:40

waah...fancy that...only unkil can think of things like this. Who knows...they would already have those secret ocean bed stations...spending zillions of dollars.....and then telling their "my fellow americans....we are in a recession". You dont have jobs...y ...cause we need replacements.....

I think this recession is one big-ass lie....self induced...intentionally created!!!! hmm...sala...useless...make the lives of every one hell!!!

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 26 Jun 2009 04:55

An interesting read.

Assessments of Selected [US] Weapon Programs

GAO report - PDF format - 190 pages