Then what was shitaram yechury doing hobnobing with prachanda??"We did not have any working relation with the Indian Maoists in the past and also we will not establish such links in future," he clarified.
But, surprisingly, and probably for the first time, the CRPF has shown in Lalgarh that it possesses the CGRL, the Carl Gustav Rocket Launcher, of Bofors heritage. The 51mm mortar should ideally fall in the category of light artillery. Never was a police force in India — the CRPF is after all a police force — known to be equipped with such a weapon.
Indeed, the CRPF’s 66 battalion in operation here looks like an infantry battalion of the army from the 1990s. The army’s infantry battalions today are far better equipped and their tactics, too, are different, probably even more time-consuming. But the CRPF is ranged against the Maoists who, by their own admission, have only a militia or, at best, a guerrilla army.
More weapons to policemen. No sarcasm, I am real.Gerard wrote:Sledgehammer versus fly swatterBut, surprisingly, and probably for the first time, the CRPF has shown in Lalgarh that it possesses the CGRL, the Carl Gustav Rocket Launcher, of Bofors heritage. The 51mm mortar should ideally fall in the category of light artillery. Never was a police force in India — the CRPF is after all a police force — known to be equipped with such a weapon.Indeed, the CRPF’s 66 battalion in operation here looks like an infantry battalion of the army from the 1990s. The army’s infantry battalions today are far better equipped and their tactics, too, are different, probably even more time-consuming. But the CRPF is ranged against the Maoists who, by their own admission, have only a militia or, at best, a guerrilla army.
My understanding is Yes. US has pretty liberal gun laws, so it is natural that policemen also should be equally equipped. From what ever I read, policemen do carry personal weapons (pistol, revolver) with them, and also there are more powerful assault rifles etc. secured safely inside their cars. Specialist teams like SWAT are better trained and armed to the teeth.Rahul Mehta wrote:Btw, do US policemen have such weapons?
I have seen AR-15/M-16 used for a drug bust.... and cops did not seem to be part of SWAT.Sachin wrote:My understanding is Yes. US has pretty liberal gun laws, so it is natural that policemen also should be equally equipped. From what ever I read, policemen do carry personal weapons (pistol, revolver) with them, and also there are more powerful assault rifles etc. secured safely inside their cars. Specialist teams like SWAT are better trained and armed to the teeth.Rahul Mehta wrote:Btw, do US policemen have such weapons?
Major police departments have helicopters and also some highway police agencies. I don't know whether their pilots etc. are classified as policemen, or contracted as civilians to fly these machines.
Jamal,Jamal K. Malik wrote: When children is dying for food, father/mother/brother/sister will have energy left to fight.
This is a fight to survive.
The force that pulled back after coming under fire in the Godamouli forest in Sijua included 10 members of the Cobra, the unit that specialises in combating Maoists.
Caught in a series of explosions and sustained gunfire, the force — made of 10 Cobras and 50 BSF and state troopers — called off the mission for the day. On June 20, a state police team was beaten back at Kadashole. But the group that fell back today did not have jawans of the CRPF, which has more experience in battling the Naxalites.
Looks like the West Bengal police are absolutely clueless and ill trained to fight any major armed insurgencies. CRPF seems to be the champions here. How much is the contribution of the ruling CPI(M) government in making the West Bengal police a bunch of sissies?On June 20, a state police team was beaten back at Kadashole. But the group that fell back today did not have jawans of the CRPF, which has more experience in battling the Naxalites.
400 % !How much is the contribution of the ruling CPI(M) government in making the West Bengal police a bunch of sissies?
I was not trying to belittle any specific police force. Today in Kerala, I see that the Police is now getting solid drubbings from every single commie hoodlum. Communist party workers (DYFI,SFI primarily) just barge into police stations and get away with "arrested" commie cadre. Yesterday one lady constable got her hand twisted and broken, and an SI was assaulted. No visible action has been taken so far. The home minister is acting like an ignoramus as usual. The police in most cases have given up all resistance. For these "police station attacks" even proper severe charges are not filed. I just wanted to know if this is the situation in the other socialist republic (West Bengal) as well. A police force so much low on morale, that they have given up even on all aspects of policing. DYFI,SFI may have acted as the state police in WB for some time, but now they find no match for the Maoists. The state police has been ruined any ways. So only hope seems to be to cry for CPMF.Sanjay wrote:Sachin, to be fair, how many State Police forces in India are really capable of COIN warfare ?
My gut feeling is that the political will, the society's general attitude towards having a crime free and secured life all plays an important role. In many of the naxal infested states, the social indexes have always been at lower levels, the people themselves don't know or have the will power to rise up against criminals. With the people having no great expectations, the police (most of them from the very same society) too take it lightly.The worst ? Possibly. But remember the Orissa police ? In the late 1990s when Bihar had its Naxal problem out of control, it requested cops from other states
Maoists & Writers' Marxists are ideological comrades
1 Jul 2009, 0440 hrs IST, Tarun
……………….. The fact of the matter is, there is hardly any difference between the Maoists and the Marxists ruling from Writers'. Both are invariably ideological comrades one operating from the jungles and the other enjoying urban amenities. Both have alien heroes and adore Lenin, Stalin and Mao, who were responsible for the killings of millions of people. They all have an extra amount of love and loyalty for the alien powers and have no qualms accepting their support. They have never condemned China for 1962 and still have no clear policy on its claim over Arunachal Pradesh and Aksai Chin. And the poor tribals remain cannon fodder for demonstrations, with half-clad villagers wielding indigenous weapons and singing international for a CPM magazine.
One has to go and see the abject poverty and nothingness in areas adjoining Lalgarh. Jungle, soil, leaves, small huts completely synchronizing with the nature and tribal men and women, semi-clad, working day and night to eke out an existence. You will be amazed, what meticulous design it takes to keep your own people so low? It becomes a vested interest for the Red revolutionaries and their art-paper magazine producers to keep people poor, backward, so that they are always ready to provide the crowd and the boys for mass struggle and revolutionaries zeal while the leaders enjoy Padma's Ilish. And then the usual page 3 clique in metros, would say with an oomph: "Oh, these Marxists are fighting for the poor, like Buddha ji, a very nice man'." If votes were not diverted in this Lok Sabha election to other non-CPM parties, the CPM tally would have come down from 30 MPs to just one under Mr Nice. ……………..
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I do agree with you here. The state governments missed out on their obligations and the naxalites marched in. The common man, most likely was not in a position to comprehend the true intentions of the naxalites (or whose foot soldiers they were) and backed them up. The state governments in that way have faulted on two counts. One is that they did not take care of the people, plus they also were not keen on maintaining any sort of good police force which can fight armed militants/criminals.Sanjay wrote:The failure of state governments to deal with human development - water, food security, employment and dignity - as opposed to economic development in terms of industry etc - is the biggest problem sapping the will of the people to resist
The CPI in Kerala are a bunch of oldies who are now practically surviving by licking the boots of its big brother CPI(M). The CPI(M) is becoming more like a mafia, with the main interest in running business establishments (and terrorising rivals). So CPI's stand is not going to make any impact on the mafia culture now prevailing in CPI(M).With regards to the situation in Kerala, I wonder what happens now that the CPI is on the decline ?
.Perhaps the J&K police (or its SOG) thanks to the Jehadis, and the AP Police Grey hounds who if I am not mistaken pioneered the concept of police commandos in India.But again - of the police forces in India which one is properly adapted to the COIN role ?
When handful of terrorists - mere 2 or 3 - were moled in Akshardham Temple. Modi had called NSG for rescue. A few days later in a meeting, I cursed Modi for keeping Gujju policemen so weak that NSG had to be called. At that time, a retired IPS explained to all that the strength (numbers, weapons, training, bullets etc) of policemen in a given state is decided by Centre, not by State. eg if Center has said that only 1000 policemen in Gujarat will have AK-47, CM cant make it 1001. So yes, some state's policemen may be worse than others. And some State HomeMin may be worse than others. But at core, it is defunctness of the Centeral Govt why policemen in India are so toothless and nailless.Sanjay wrote:The worst ? Possibly. But remember the Orissa police ? In the late 1990s when Bihar had its Naxal problem out of control, it requested cops from other states. Orissa responded with several companies of the Orissa SAP. They came - 40% without rifles and the others with only 20 rounds each ! Bihar told them to go back home - I mean being rejected by the Bihar Police under Lalu ? Given their performance to date - with the exception of a few special units - I am uncertain as to whether any improvement has been made.
Perhaps we should re-draft Sec.144 Cr.PC to read that when it says people should not be entering certain areas "people" means special species like self-declared human rights champions, movie directors etc. and not just "commons/neta/pandu/judiciary" etcTanaji wrote:Just because you claim you are an "activist" does not entail you special rights...
. I liked the reader's comments sections, people are now asking stuff like "where is teests" .These activists have zero public support. But they have MNC/Christianist funding, and many newspapers such as ToI/IE who also get huge MNC/Christianist funding give them huge publicity. So many youth who never get chance to actually know commons' priorities and only read English newspapers get attracted towards these NGOs and join them. Thats what keeps them going.Tanaji wrote:http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/ ... rested.htm
Cue the usual suspects....
So , you try to enter an area where prohibitory orders are in force, get arrested and then you complain of police high handedness? Just because you claim you are an "activist" does not entail you special rights...
The steady rise in sophistication of the attacks by the naxals and the increasing casualties suffered by the security agencies is very worrying.At least 23 policemen have been killed in an attack by suspected Maoist rebels in eastern India, police say.
It happened in Chhattisgarh state, 90km (56 miles) west of Raipur.
Two officers were killed initially, and a larger force sent to the scene was then attacked, police say. The district police chief is among the dead.
The rebels are fighting for communist rule in a number of Indian states. More than 6,000 people have died during the 20-year insurgency.
Speaking from Raipur, the deputy inspector general of police, Pawan Dev, said a total of 23 bodies had been recovered after the attacks in Rajnandgaon district.
The senior officer who died was named by state government officials as VK Choubey, French news agency AFP reported.
RAIPUR: Twenty-six police personnel, including a Superintendent of Police, were on Sunday killed in two separate attacks by Maoists in Maoists shifting bases from Chhattisgarh to Orissa
The state police said that 24 of its men, including SP V K Choubey, were killed when Maoists ambushed a party led by him while it was on the way to a police camp at Madanwada.
The militants had on Sunday morning killed two police personnel in a separate attack.
The Toll has now risen to 36 with 13 Policemen more missing.
Well said! this Ostrich mentality is everywhere, including on BR. Unfortunate but a certain reality.Viv Sreenivasan wrote:Quite unbelievable really, 6 people die due to collapse of the Delhi Bridge and its national headlines. 36 Policemen killed and another 13 missing and it barely registers on the airwaves. Why? Probably because its in some remote area in Chattisgarh and who cares what goes on there anyways? This head in the sand attitude is going to come back to bite big time.
RamaY wrote:Well said! this Ostrich mentality is everywhere, including on BR. Unfortunate but a certain reality.Viv Sreenivasan wrote:Quite unbelievable really, 6 people die due to collapse of the Delhi Bridge and its national headlines. 36 Policemen killed and another 13 missing and it barely registers on the airwaves. Why? Probably because its in some remote area in Chattisgarh and who cares what goes on there anyways? This head in the sand attitude is going to come back to bite big time.
It appears to me that the political class and naxals have a gentlemen (sic) agreement. Do not target each other and who cares what happens to common people? In the past decade Naxals used to target politicians and now they changed tactic and are targeting security personnel and social leadership.
Then it shall receive the same treatment...chetak wrote: ...
"cross" linked to some noble organisations abroad.
just like the ltte!
Show how rabidly anti-India the communist parties were. And they have maintained that to this day!...
To blunt the campaign accusing the comrades of being Chinese agents, VS mooted the idea — in a routine weekly party meeting in jail — of donating blood for the jawans, and contributing money from the sale of prison rations saved by inmates to the defence kitty of the government.
O J Joseph, convener of the party’s jail committee and a latter-day member of the Rajya Sabha, rejected the proposal.
In the next meeting, Achuthanandan tried again. He argued hard and lobbied harder, and the meeting ended in a scuffle among the two groups led by Achuthanandan and Joseph.
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The issue did not get dropped, however. In October 1965, after being released from jail, a party worker filed a formal complaint with the leadership about Achuthanandan’s anti-party activities. A probe panel was formed, which found Achuthanandan guilty. In December that year, the Kerala committee ratified the findings of the panel: that Achuthanandan’s approach was anti-communist, and he should be demoted from the central committee to the branch level. Subsequently, Achuthanandan was sent to the Alappuzha district secretariat, where he spent a year.
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Nice one Ramay..RamaY wrote: Made this chart to study the Naxal/Maoist problem. The state of AP is a good indicator. But need to get the data for CBN's (TDP) rule...
kidoman wrote:Nice one Ramay..RamaY wrote: Made this chart to study the Naxal/Maoist problem. The state of AP is a good indicator. But need to get the data for CBN's (TDP) rule...
My god, it seems that my state has witnessed the sharpest increase in the no of SF's killed!!
