Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

[shiv]

The count has gone up to 41. How many people does an M17 carry?

Just wait for the final tally and you will know how many Pakistani Mi 17s carry.

[NRao]

Sorry if dup:

Pak Army helicopter crashes in tribal belt, 26 killed

[Prem]

The count has gone up to 41. How many people does an M17 carry?

ja maay Jaanda 41 ne mar Jaan ta ek de maay 10 maandee
BC Pookeaaaaaa , izlam ne huun tera ghar Phhookia.
The Heli must be flying UnIslamically, so Allah crashed it. Please make sure Suunat is done on Heli per Book or it will remain kaffir .

[Paul]

This helicopter shootdown reminds me of the never ending bragging from the pakis about how they shot down soviet mi24s and MIGs in Afghanistan. A Paki taxi driver in SF was describing to me (an ignorant rice eating yindoo) just before 9/11 how he himself with his own eyes he saw 17 helos shot down by stingers over Charasyab and Khost. When I told him that I knew Abdul Haq (killed by Taliban after 911) was the mujahideen commander there and he had lost a leg, the look on his face wa priceless. He did not even ask for a tip

pretty soon these stingers will be put to good use by the Taliban and we will hear these same stories repeated eat of the durand.

How long before Paki aerospace becomes unusable due to the stingers.

[NRao]

How long before Paki aerospace becomes unusable due to the stingers.

Obama must be contemplating sending (free of cost of course) a few F-18Gs to Pakistan.

[p_saggu]

The count has gone up to 41. How many people does an M17 carry?

Just wait for the final tally and you will know how many Pakistani Mi 17s carry.

Reminds me of the story where the chopper crashed on a graveyard. The pakistanis will dig up 200 bodies by next week.

The taliban are said to have captured the pilot alive. What is going to happen to him? The trend these days is that the taliban slowly and painfully executes its pak fauj captives - because the martial pak fauj of course does not negotiate with 'terrorists'.

I am torn between whom to pity more - the ones who died in the crash or the one the taliban caught alive.

[Paul]

That woman sitting in the middle is looking for trouble.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg1_14

[SSridhar]

That woman sitting in the middle is looking for trouble.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 009_pg1_14

From both sides, Gilani as well as ulema, for being the 'uncovered meat'; though for different reasons.

[Amber G.]

Just wait for the final tally and you will know how many Pakistani Mi 17s carry.

Not necessarily. I (or any panchatantra reader) will not believe it unless they prove it by crashing at least another one (or two) .

[Pranay]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

Seems to be a case of an overloaded helo, in bad weather, possibly shot down?

“So it could either be due to bad weather or because of excess weight, but nothing can be ruled out,” the security official said. According to the Web site of the Federation of American Scientists, the helicopter, an MI-17, can carry 24 troops. If 41 people were aboard, the aircraft would have been harder to maneuver, making it difficult to deal with bad weather and mountainous terrain.

The security official said that flying low could have made the helicopter vulnerable to being hit by militant fire. “The attack and transport helicopters usually fly high to avoid fire from the ground,” he said.

[SSridhar]

The Seraiki question - edit in DT

After the “Seraiki Suba” question was raised last month in the Punjab Assembly, it has quickly become politicised, reflecting the covert wars going on among the parties represented in the Assembly. The ruling PMLN first saw some PMLQ politicians shaking up the southern region with renewed demands for devolution in the shape of a new province; then it started seeing the PPP too trying to corner its central Punjabi leadership in an extension of the Sharif-Zardari conflict going on over the head of a Seraiki prime minister.

One newspaper column summed up the scenario: “The Seraiki issue has burst at the centre stage for the first time on account of the ongoing tripartite fight between the PPP, PMLN and the Q League. With the PMLN having established itself firmly in Punjab, which is considered crucial in national politics, elements in the PPP hope to revive the party’s fortunes by seeking a separate Seraiki province where they believe the party would win hands down. Others hope to use the issue as a lever to extract favours from the Punjab government”.

The PPP has reacted. Its central information secretary Ms Fauzia Wahab has warned that disciplinary action will be taken against party legislators favouring “division” of Punjab, and pointed to some South Punjab current and former leaders of the PMLQ who had actually gone to the Punjab Assembly and the media to talk about a separate Seraiki province. She said the Seraiki province had never been brought up by the central PPP leadership in its discussions.

In the process, the question of devolution has been buried once again. The centre did not devolve its powers to the provinces, the provinces did not devolve too as they obstructed the local governments, and now a region long protesting lack of devolved interest has been put on the back burner. National politics pays lip service to devolution but is opposed to the creation of more provinces and the hardships the common man feels under the current administration of the provinces are not going to go away.

[anupmisra]

Mumbai massacre revisited: By Irfan Husain

Posting in full.

ALL too often, natural disasters and human atrocities make only a fleeting impression. We watch fascinated and horrified as TV anchors give us their impressions while images of death and disaster roll across our screens.

But soon, one particular crisis is overtaken by another, and relentlessly, the news cycle moves on.

It is not until one sees and hears the survivors that the magnitude of a disaster really sinks in. This is what I experienced while watching Channel 4’s programme on its Dispatches series. Called Terror in Mumbai, the documentary retraces the steps of the terrorists as they first landed in Mumbai by boat, and then made their way across the city, spreading mayhem over a period of 60 hours.

We were shown clips from CCTV cameras that had captured the killing spree. Casually the killers shot everybody who moved. At the VT railway station, where 52 people died, they massacred a family, and a young boy who survived later recounted who had died: “My father. My mother. My aunt. My uncle. Their two sons. What had we done to them? So many dead. What had they done to the terrorists?” What indeed?

When I wrote a couple of columns after the atrocity last year, expressing sympathy for the victims and condemning the killers and those behind them in Pakistan, I got a flood of angry emails, demanding to know the proof that linked the terrorists to Pakistan. Our government was in similar denial. And although it has grudgingly accepted that the controllers and planners of the attack were based in Pakistan, and has even arrested some members of the Laskhar-i-Taiba that has morphed into the Jamaatud Dawa, very little progress has been made on punishing those responsible.

The most chilling part of the documentary was the constant voice contact between the terrorists and their handlers. Talking on cell phones, the controllers urged on their pawns in Punjabi and Urdu, interspersed with the odd English words and phrases. They certainly did not sound like graduates of a madressah. Rather, they were professionals doing a job, instructing the young terrorists to kill as many people as possible; urging them to move from one target to another; and repeating that they must not allow themselves to be captured.

Soon after his arrest, Ajmal Kasab was questioned by the police, and admitted that he had been sent by the Lashkar-i-Taiba. Asked why and how he had joined the group, he said his father had ‘sold’ him to the Lashkar. He said his father had explained that the money would lift the family out of poverty, and pay for his sisters’ weddings. How many more young men are being sold to terror outfits across Pakistan?

One Turkish couple, spared because of their faith, recount how the bodies of massacred guests at the Trident Oberoi piled up around them, and how slippery it was to walk over the pools of blood. A neighbour of the rabbi and his wife who were murdered at the Jewish Centre describe how one by one, the couple said “shoot me” to the killers, and were duly shot. After the terrorists had left, the two-year old son of the murdered couple is filmed in a heart-breaking sequence, walking around in the room, clearly confused.

After Kasab had been captured, the controllers realised what would happen if he spilled the beans. They ask two of the killers to take a hostage and get her to call the authorities with a demand to free Kasab in exchange for her life. After an hour or so, when there is no response from the government, they are told to finish off the hostage.

All through the atrocity, the handlers — obviously watching the drama on TV — keep urging their foot soldiers on, encouraging them by descriptions of what they are seeing on TV. “The whole world is watching your deeds…. Remember this is a fight between the believers and the non-believers…. If you speak to the authorities, tell them this is only the trailer and the real film is yet to come.…”

And when the terrorists are clearly exhausted, the controllers urge them on: “Throw some grenades, my brother, there’s no harm in throwing a few grenades. How hard can it be to throw a grenade? Just pull the pin and throw it. For your mission to end successfully, you must be killed. God is waiting for you in heaven.” After each such exhortation, the young terrorist at the receiving end says, “Inshallah”. At the start of the programme, the handler asks the landing party if they have eliminated the captain of the hijacked boat, and if so, how? “Zibah kar diya,” is the chilling response. (Literally: “We have slit his throat”; but there is a ritualistic connotation to ‘zibah’ that does not translate well into English.)

This repeated use of Islamic phrases and responses underlines the extent to which the faith has been cynically used to spread violence. While Muslims argue that Islam does not condone this kind of terrorism against unarmed, innocent civilians, most do not condemn it in clear, unequivocal terms. After agreeing that such acts are un-Islamic, there is all too often a lingering ‘Yes, but…’ hanging in the air.

It is this ambiguity that has given terror groups in Pakistan and elsewhere the space and legitimacy they need to operate. Now that Pakistanis have seen the true face of terrorism in Swat, and have begun to support the government in its drive to rid us of this cancer, the lesson needs to be reinforced. One way would be to dub the Channel 4 documentary and show it extensively on various TV channels in Pakistan. We need to hear ordinary people who survived or lost close relatives, and see their pain.

We need to see the horrors inflicted in the name of Islam. Above all, we need to share the agony of our neighbours.

[Pranay]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8133517.stm

Some more details on the helo crash...

The BBC's Mike Wooldridge in Islamabad says it is understood the MI-17 helicopter had been flying back to Peshawar from the Afghan border region when the pilot put out a Mayday alert.

The helicopter then came down "in a hostile area" where it was fired upon by militants, according to officials.

Troops were sent in and exchanged fire with the insurgents.

[Prem]

Mumbai massacre revisited: By Irfan Husain

We need to see the horrors inflicted in the name of Islam. Above all, we need to share the agony of our neighbours.

[/quote]

Obviously Irfan Hussain do not know his Islam . Suffering of kaffir is not to be shared and should i remind him Islam forbids prayer to Allah for the welfare of kaffirs. If any doubt, please open your Hadith Sharif .
. Mr Husain, dont act like Unpakistani/ Unislamic , we neither expect nor demand sympathy , when time come we shall do what we need to do and may be put you guys on the path of human evolution..... in next birth.

[CRamS]

Mumbai massacre revisited: By Irfan Husain

We need to see the horrors inflicted in the name of Islam. Above all, we need to share the agony of our neighbours.

No, TSPians and their piglets are irremediable; Indian blood is their nirvana. They knew from day 1 that their 'boys' were behind it, and were ecstatic as India's 'super powerdom' came tumbling down like nine pins. (Recall, this is exactly what the 'enlightened' among them, Jihadi Sethi said). The people who need to watch this graphic slaughter of us SDREs include UK terrorist and spokesman for LeT David Miliband, well-fed, well-sexed colonial master honcho cowboy Holbrooke, madam Hilary Clinton, and of course Uncle Tom Barak Obama; I wonder if they have even an iota of conscience, and will re-think their trash talk to India about surrendering to TSP just because thats a price they are willing to offer TSP RAPE so that they go after Taliban and so called "Al Queda".

[shravan]

Taliban’s ‘disabled’ teenage suicide bombers may target Chinese nationals in Pak

The circular said that disabled suicide bombers in the guise of beggars could target the Chinese.
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It has also asked the agencies to ensure the safety and security of around 5000 Chinese working in Pakistan currently. (ANI)
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To save the Chinese they might kill all the Disabled children in Pakistan.

[Paul]

TTP seems to be doing a spectacular job taking on the job of rolling back Paki nuclear capabilities....http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r3290.html

6.If it turns out that those traveling by the bus were scientists and engineers and not ISI personnel as claimed by Amir Mir and if it further turns out that it was the Pakistani Taliban which carried out the attack, why did it take the risk? The only possible answer is that the Taliban had calculated that the only way of exercising pressure on the military to slow down, if not halt, its military operations against the Taliban is by threatening to target strategic establishments such as the HMC and the KRC. The Armed Forces and the Police have so far taken in their stride the increasing suicide attacks on their personnel and establishments. Will they treat with equal equanimity attacks on scientists and engineers and strategic weaponry establishments if such attacks are repeated or will they once again make peace with the Taliban to halt such attacks? An answer to this question will depend on the Taliban's capacity to keep such attacks sustained.

7. The attack on the scientists and engineers, if true, coming in the wake of the suicide attack on some Army personnel in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir can be interpreted as indicating the Taliban's determination to fight with no holds barred----- even to the extent of damaging the strategic capabilities of Pakistan either in respect of Kashmir or in respect of its nuclear, missile and other military arsenal --- in order to force the army to stop its operations in the Pashtun tribal belt.

[Paul]

We cannot blame GOI next time a mumbai carnage repeats as the people have signalled their acquiescence by re-electing the INC in terror hotspots like Mumbai and Dlehi....but at the same time our brothers and sisters in Taliban occupied territories and Sindh have to pay jizya now, let us spare a moment to reflect on their pain sufferings.

[shravan]

Officials say 16 killed in clashes in NW Pakistan

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — Clashes between tribesmen and Taliban militants left 16 people dead in Pakistan's northwest on Saturday, officials said, in the latest violence between pro-government tribal militias and insurgents.

Also Saturday, the Taliban said it shot down a helicopter that crashed Friday in the northwest, killing 26 government troops. The government blamed it on a technical problem.

[shaardula]

i saw the videos. this should be mandatory viewing for all.

[SSridhar]

12 volunteers killed in Mohmand clash with the Taliban

Does the term 'volunteer' mean tribal lashkars or the PA soldiers ?

[shaardula]

it is not that the west does not know of pakistan's perfidity. its just that wont act on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDbGn4jTTGI

[SSridhar]

Taliban Tactics

The following is a brief attempt to capture the reasons for the Taliban's apparent demise in Swat.

First, the Swat Taliban were always a ragtag force, whose numbers were boosted by some hardliners from Punjab, foreigners and militants from Waziristan and other tribal agencies. Most of them were, however, recruited from the local madrasas by force or by offering money, lots of it. Also, it seems they were joined in large numbers by opportunists and criminals, who grew long beards and, like other militants, took up weapons. In all, there may have been 4,000-5,000 Taliban in Swat when the operation began. However, unlike the Army, all of them did not have the same ideology, commitment, training and education. The Taliban had little coordination with their commanders, did not trust each other and had little idea what they were up against. As such, for the Taliban resisting a well-trained force and matching the force, scope and scale of the operation was simply out of the question.

Second, few people realise that the Swat Taliban never had the majority of the people on their side. While the locals certainly wanted the enforcement of Nizam-e-Adl in the valley, they had not foreseen the gory killings–beheadings, in particular–torture of women and the other cruelties meted out by the Taliban militants. Many people, it seems, came to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, identifying with the militants out of sheer terror. Had they not, their lives and families would not have been safe. The local people did not stay back and fight with the Taliban and opted to flee once the operation loomed. The others, as the Army cleansed their areas, sided with the forces. For any guerrilla force to survive, it needs support from people. In the case of Swat, once the operation started, the support for the Taliban largely vanished.

Third, the Swat Taliban did not have the vast and highly sophisticated intelligence apparatus that the Army had. While the Army could mount reconnaissance flights on its own and with the help of the PAF, also launch drones, monitor the Taliban communication equipment and jam them at ease, the Taliban could only rely on old-fashioned human intelligence (HUMINT) about the security forces. In 21st Century warfare, even for guerrilla forces, this may simply not be enough. So while security forces in most cases certainly knew where the Taliban were and the defence they had mounted, the Taliban had little idea what security forces were up to.

Fourth, the Swat Taliban lacked air power , a key ingredient in today's warfare. On the other hand, the security forces could employ any number of fighter aircraft and, apparently, combat helicopters in the war theatre. The forces softened up their targets, after bombing and strafing, making the job of the ground troops easier. Also, laser-guided bombs employed by the PAF took out the Taliban hideouts with accuracy and ease. Those who have seen strafing, bombing and pummelling by fighter aircraft in real life and followed the two Gulf Wars can well understand the importance of air power and the terror it can create among regular troops, to say nothing of a ragtag terrorist force. It seems to have been the case that many of the Taliban changed their minds, lost the will to fight and decided to abandon the cause once hearing the thunder of the exploding bombs and the massive shockwaves they produced.

Fifth, the Swat Taliban had no known supply line and could not replenish their arms like mortars, rockets, sniper rifles and also food stocks. Security forces, on the other hand, had no problem in this regard. The Army enjoyed combat logistics capability, enabling sustained operations in war theatre while the Taliban had none. One wonders if the likes of madrasa-trained Maulana Fazlullah ever realised the importance of logistics in peacetime and battlefield.

At some places, the Taliban unquestionably stood their ground and fought the forces. They planted mines and IEDs, fired at troops from rooftops, but, after offering some resistance, were eliminated. At others, they simply ran off, shaving their beards, changing their clothes and mingling with internally displaced persons. With limited military operation also continuing in Waziristan, Buner, Dir, Orakzai, Bajaur and other areas, the Swat militants cannot hope to get help from anywhere. While they may have a nuisance value, their glory days, short as they were, are over. The surviving pockets of militants, however, in future could adopt hit-and-run tactics, using IEDs and attacking far off military outposts. Though the Army has apparently routed the Taliban in the valley, now a bigger challenge -- to keep intact the gains it has made -- looms ahead.

[RajeshA]

Sorry if dealt with earlier.

US freezes assets of 4 Lashkar operatives: Economic Times

NEW DELHI: The US has slapped sanctions on four Pakistani militants, including Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) operative Arif Qasmani, who is suspected to have facilitated the 2006 Mumbai train bombing and the Samjhauta Express blasts. Qasmani is suspected to have strong links to the al-Qaida and underworld don Dawood Ibrahim.

“Qasmani conducted fundraising activities on behalf of LeT in 2005 and utilised money that he received from Dawood Ibrahim, an Indian crime figure and terrorist supporter, to facilitate the July 2006 train bombing in Mumbai, India,” it said.

Apart from Qasmani, the US treasury department has also frozen the assets of LeT operatives Mohammed Yahya Mujahid, Nasir Javaid and Fazeel-A-Tul Shaykh Abu Mohammed Ameen al-Peshawari, who has close links to the Taliban and al-Qaida.

LeT operative Mohammed Yahya Mujahid is the head of the LeT media department and has served as an LeT media spokesman since at least mid-2001. After the 2001 Parliament attack and November 2008 attacks in Mumbai, Mujahid had issued statements to the press on behalf of LeT. As of late 2007, Mujahid was influential among the LeT central leadership, the treasury department said.

The other LeT operative is Nasir Javaid who has served as an LeT commander in Pakistan. From 2001 to at least 2008, Nasir Javaid was also involved in LeT military training and in 2001 he took command of an LeT training centre in Pakistan.

The fourth terrorist, Al-Peshawari was providing assistance, including funding and recruits, to the al Qaida network and the Taliban.

Actually it is quite surprising that the US decided to act against these individuals, and destroyed the case, that Pakistan was making by connecting the prosecution into the Mumbai Attacks of 26/11/08 to the investigation of Samjhauta Train on 18/02/2007. After the self-goal that India had scored by casting aspersions that Col. Purohit could have been involved not just in the Malegaon case, but also in the Samjhauta Train blasts, India needed the US to pull its coals out of the fire. Shame on our handling of that case.

Of course Hafiz Mohammed Saeed is never going to be prosecuted in Pakistan, but it is nice to see how the Pakistani Govt. keeps on falling over its own shoelaces. With this, they will have a much more difficult time explaining it to others why they let the perpetrators of Mumbai Attacks go scot free. This takes away another piece of the burka behind which they hide their lies.

U.N. sanction on Lashkar operative a blow to Pakistan by Siddharth Varadarajan: Hindu

[brihaspati]

SSridhar wrote
Taliban Tactics

Yes the Swat Taliban lacked air-power - sooo important in modern warfare. But does this mean the Afghan Mujahideen had fighter jets to be successful?

Air power would be effective only against concentrated populations as targets. The Talebs have not been defeated. More likely, the PA airforce took out the common populace and settlements. The Talebs have simply fanned out into their mountain bases and hideouts. Just as they did when USA claimed to have bombed them out of existence in AFG. Cities can be blackmailed at air-power-point, as regimes could be installed in Kabul, or at Mingora. But thats about all.

[Dipanker]

Yes the Swat Taliban lacked air-power - sooo important in modern warfare. But does this mean the Afghan Mujahideen had fighter jets to be successful?

Afghan Mujahideen were not as successful a bunch as you are making them to be. If you look at the kill ratio, the Soviets actually slaughtered them. After the Soviet withdrawal in 1989, even the rag tag Afghan military was able to successfully fight them on untill 1992.

[Jamal K. Malik]

Pak N-weapons face threat from insiders

[Jamal K. Malik]

Is Lashkar the new al-Qaida?

[Pranay]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/world ... &ref=world

So, which bus was hit anyways? The problem with accuracy of facts in Pakistan...

Immediately after the attack, the police said the bus, which was idling at a busy traffic intersection when it was hit, was carrying workers from the nuclear lab. But since then, government officials have said that the bus belonged to the country’s Heavy Mechanical Complex, a military engineering lab at Taxila.

An official at the complex, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, denied that, and, in another indication that the bus carried nuclear workers, several of them are being treated at a hospital run by the nuclear labs, according to officials at the scene.

On Saturday, the Nation newspaper — a conservative English daily newspaper — reported the workers were from the lab and, in an editorial, expressed fears about the government’s ability to handle its increasing security challenges.

“The militants have now started attacking the very basis of the country’s conventional as well as nuclear defense,” the newspaper’s editorial stated. “The fact that the employees of one of the major nuclear facilities are not provided proper security is a serious comment on the working of our law enforcement apparatus.”

[Guddu]

Sorry if dup:

Pak Army helicopter crashes in tribal belt, 26 killed

If 26 were killed as claimed originally, admitting that would have meant raising the suspicion that the copter was shot down. By admitting that 41 were killed and based on quick madarsa math (4000 kg carrying capacity), the pukis decided that 41 is the right number for it would imply that it was a technical malfunction. So can the gurus comment, would the pilot not know that he was overloading the copter and not fly with 41 pukis (assuming they fit in). Any thoughts ?.

[atma]

The displaced women of Pakistan

(Video clip with stills, and audio)

Stephanie Nolan reporting from the Swat and NWFP.

Talks about how the Mard TFT Army of the pure has inflicted the greatest current humanitarian disaster in the world, on it's own people.

Also reports about how the Genie may not go quietly back into the bottle, how women are excited, almost giddy, with relatively less enforcement of purdah, and accesss to healhcare & education in the camps, while men are horrified.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/video/th ... le1206023/

[Chinmayanand]

Decline and fall

My friend Dr Khan, who doesn't have the answers to all the mysteries of life, is nevertheless confident that, at last, he has managed to put his finger on the very essence of what ails Pakistan. He is of the opinion that every single Pakistani awakens every morning with one intention: how to shaft the next Pakistani.

What has been unleashing in Karachi is horrific, yet KESC thought nothing of blowing a wad of notes on a full-page ad following Pakistan's T20 win. The ad insultingly informed the readers that they could perhaps now understand what power is all about! Not surprising in a country where the finance advisor tells the people to use the hallucinatory public transport and stop complaining about rising oil prices.

This is a country in serious crisis, rocked by civil war, an erosion of all its few tattered value systems, bankrupt, powerless, running on huge credit bills, without shame going around begging for alms and unable to provide even a semblance of good governance to its poor wretched citizens. Yet does anyone spot this crisis, looking at the suited-booted gents and empty-headed ladies who strut about the national and provincial stages? Not a worry on their face, not a crease of anxiety on their mugs. Beyond shame and beyond caring, only waiting to milk the system and fatten the purse.

[Rohit_K]

new high-tech gadgetry to aid security in Karachi:

“The most interesting thing is that it is designed with latest technology, which has been used in Holland.” For security measures we have installed a camera which can smoke any explosive material within the range of 500 meters and make the culprits paralysed through its rays for 30 minutes, thus it is easy to cop with the security issue there, he added.
Source

[SSridhar]

Plea against release of Hafeez Saeed to be filed on Monday

Look at the perfidy Pakistan is playing before the Egypt meeting. From what is stated below, it is obvious that Pakistan has no intention of prosecuting Hafeez Saeed at all. If GoI continues with its peace talks, it would amount to lying to the people of India.

The government petition against the release of Hafiz Saeed is now to be filed in the Supreme Court on Monday as the legal officials who were to submit it on Saturday arrived at the court only after it closed for the day.

Two identical petitions, one from the federal government and another from the Punjab provincial government, are to be filed pleading for leave to appeal {so, it is not the actual appeal} against the Lahore High Court order releasing Mr. Saeed

According to the draft petition seen by The Hindu, the government will argue that the Lahore High Court did not consider the “sensitivity” of the case in the context of the prevailing situation of “combat against internal and external terrorism” that Pakistan faces, and has ignored the “true import” of the U.N. Security Council resolutions.

The petition argues that the Lahore High Court placed too much emphasis on evidence against Mr. Saeed. {All the above arguments are meant to get Hafeez Saeed escape imprisonment. It is following the same technique as in the Lahore High Court. By arguing this same way, GoP is telling the judges that it doesn't have any concrete evidence, though on the contrary it must have tons of it. It obviously means that GoP is unwilling to present the evidence}

[Guddu]

British Islamists plot against Pakistan, AoA
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 638483.ece

[rohiths]

Beginning of a new type of terrorism
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pak- ... 740176.cms

[bart]

Sorry if dup:

Pak Army helicopter crashes in tribal belt, 26 killed

If 26 were killed as claimed originally, admitting that would have meant raising the suspicion that the copter was shot down. By admitting that 41 were killed and based on quick madarsa math (4000 kg carrying capacity), the pukis decided that 41 is the right number for it would imply that it was a technical malfunction. So can the gurus comment, would the pilot not know that he was overloading the copter and not fly with 41 pukis (assuming they fit in). Any thoughts ?.

4000kg means ~ 100 kg per person.

Who was travelling on that chopper? Inzamam ul Haq's relatives?

[bart]

new high-tech gadgetry to aid security in Karachi:

“The most interesting thing is that it is designed with latest technology, which has been used in Holland.” For security measures we have installed a camera which can smoke any explosive material within the range of 500 meters and make the culprits paralysed through its rays for 30 minutes, thus it is easy to cop with the security issue there, he added.
Source

That is well worth a full read, if only to enjoy the Pinglish grammar and what passes for 'fact' and the standard of journalism in Pakistan.

[bart]

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ultry-farm

KARACHI - A black cobra (obviously an Indian infiltrator) was finally caught by Edhi volunteers on Saturday which had entered a poultry farm at Rahim Goth on Saturday.
According to details, a black cobra spread scare at Rahim Goth, Sarjani Town, on Saturday evening at around 6:00pm.

Tauba Tauba, Pakis running scared? That is impossible as Islam does not allow fear of animals.

However, all you paklurks can take comfort in the fact that Indians are 10 times more scared of snakes (and everything else). Here is a picture of an SDRE cowering before a snake (notice the expression of terror on their face):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... nakes.html

[chetak]

This guy's been smoking some pretty fancy stuff


‘UK-based extremists' group plot to overthrow Pak Govt: Report’

At Lahore's Superior College, where Muqeem has set up a Hizb ut-Tahrir student group, he said the organisation's aim was to subject Muslim and western countries to Islamic rule under sharia law, "by force" if necessary.

He said Islamic rule would be spread through "indoctrination," and by "military means" if non-Muslim countries refused to bow to it and "waging war" would be part of the caliphate's foreign policy.

Muqeem said one of Hizb ut Tahriri's strategies in Pakistan is to influence military officers. Shahzad Sheikh, a Pakistani recruit and the group's official spokesman in Karachi, spoke about persuading the army to instigate a "bloodless coup" against the present government who, he said, were "worse than the Taliban".

"It is the military who hold the power (in Pakistan) and we are asking them to give their allegiance to Hizb ut-Tahrir," he said.

In a caliphate, every woman would have to cover up and stoning to death for adultery and the chopping off of thieves' hands would be the law, the paper said.

Nawaz claimed at least 10 British activists were planted in each of Pakistan's main cities. "The traffic has been increasing ever since and people are always going back and forth (to the UK)," he said.

"Hizb ut-Tahrir sets the mood music for suicide bombers to dance to," said Nawaz, who has now started an initiative to "claim Pakistan back" from extremists.

The report also quoted Hasan-Askari-Rizvi, a former professor in Lahore who is now a security analyst, saying: "This organisation was brought to Pakistan by Pakistani Britishers. People were impressed that these young, educated Brits were so committed to Islam that they came to Pakistan."