Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 05 Jul 2009 14:42

durgesh wrote: without shame going around begging for alms

As long as Pakistan is getting f*cked, it will keep getting more AID(S).

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 05 Jul 2009 15:43

ISI continues to maintain links with LeT, JuD

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 05 Jul 2009 17:21

Pak diverted over USD 5 bn aid into nuke programme

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2009 17:29

Rohit_K wrote:new high-tech gadgetry to aid security in Karachi:

Source

How about these gems:

The Port Grand, which is being developed on sea, is Pakistan’s only short break food and fun destination which is offering an unrivalled selection of attractions for the whole family to enjoy together.

Hindu community had also put the hurdles and were up to politicise the issue.

This world-class attraction has been designed and developed by the leading US architects, ‘Nework’ of New Jersey.

50 restaurants with an endless variety of ethnic and international style, cuisine, cultivating everything from Gourmet Food, a cheesy steak, to the award winning ‘Nihari’ and ‘Kebab’. The ‘Chaat’ or fries or ‘Murgh Choolay’ are as important a part of Karachi’s street culture as the ‘Rubri’.

Lalu should be happy. His wife now has a dish in pukistan named after her.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2009 17:42

British Islamists plot against Pakistan

British militants are pushing for the overthrow of the Pakistani state. Followers of the fundamentalist group Hizb ut-Tahrir have called for a “bloodless military coup” in Islamabad and the creation of the caliphate in which strict Islamic laws would be rigorously enforced.

Members of the group, which describes itself as the Liberation party in Britain but is banned in Pakistan, revealed last week that it had targeted the country as a base from which to spread Islamic rule across the world.

commuting between Britain and Pakistan.

Tayyib Muqeem, an English teacher from Stoke-on-Trent, said he had moved to Lahore to convert Pakistanis to the movement.

he said the organisation’s aim was to subject Muslim and western countries to Islamic rule under sharia law, “by force” if necessary. In a caliphate, “every woman would have to cover up” and stoning to death for adultery and the chopping off of thieves’ hands would be the law, he said.

“It is the military who hold the power (in Pakistan) and we are asking them to give their allegiance to Hizb ut-Tahrir,” he said. “I can’t explain to you in detail how we are trying to influence the military . . . We never disclose our methodology of change. You may say it’s a coup.”

“Pakistan was neglected and ignored until it had a nuclear bomb and then the global leader realised it would be a good strategic base for the caliphate,” said Maajid Nawaz, one of the organisation’s pioneers in Pakistan, who has since renounced the group.

Nawaz claimed at least 10 British activists were planted in each of Pakistan’s main cities.

Hizb ut-Tahrir sets the mood music for suicide bombers to dance to.

“This organisation was brought to Pakistan by Pakistani Britishers. People were impressed that these young, educated Brits were so committed to Islam that they came to Pakistan.”

Londonistan and LaWhore-on-Ravi are now sister cities.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jul 2009 18:41

Pakistani Cricket Board shouldn't blame India for its isolation: ex-PCB Chief

He has said some unpalatable truth

"Whether we like it or not India is a big strength and influence in world cricket and we need to have cordial relations with them to find solutions to our problems {That hurts Pakistani ego. For so long, they had pretended and done everything to show to their own citizens and the rest of the world that Pakistan was equal to, if not better than, India in every sphere of activity. This was programmed into every Pakistani by going to great lengths and that cannot be reversed so easily.}," Mehmood, who was PCB Chairman between 1996 and 1999, said.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 05 Jul 2009 19:05

Tayyib Muqeem, an English teacher from Stoke-on-Trent, said he had moved to Lahore to convert Pakistanis to the movement.

Isn't that like sending coals to Newcastle?

bart · Post by **bart** » 05 Jul 2009 19:44

Ajatshatru wrote:
that some 12 to 13,000 people were expected to visit this grand segment all over the Asia which had been built with Rs2 billion.
Pak-English?

Officially known as Pinglish.

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 05 Jul 2009 19:47

Gerard wrote:
Tayyib Muqeem, an English teacher from Stoke-on-Trent, said he had moved to Lahore to convert Pakistanis to the movement.
Isn't that like sending coals to Newcastle?

Boss
Agree, we shall do the honors and provide the fuse and lit the fire???

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jul 2009 20:13

Taliban impose Section 144 in North Waziristan

Taliban on Saturday warned people of North Waziristan against holding public gathering, including jirgas. Pamphlets distributed in Miranshah bazaar by the Taliban in the tribal agency said no tribe was allowed to hold a gathering of more than five people in any area of the agency. The Taliban said any public gathering would be considered a pro-government committee, warning that group leaders would be killed and suicide attacks would be carried out against such groups. They also banned people from entering the FC Fort and government offices in the agency. The pamphlets said the people visiting public offices for any purpose “should be ready to face the consequences”.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Jul 2009 20:20

SSridhar wrote:Taliban impose Section 144 in North Waziristan

Hafiz Gul Bahadur

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2009 20:35

Gerard wrote:
Tayyib Muqeem, an English teacher from Stoke-on-Trent, said he had moved to Lahore to convert Pakistanis to the movement.
Isn't that like sending coals to Newcastle?

Or in this case, sending Newcastle to coal. Oh, the irony!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jul 2009 20:36

Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline

Responding to a question, Dr Asim confirmed that two powerful countries — one a Western power and the other an all important brother Islamic country — were putting pressure on Pakistan to ditch the project but he vowed that the national interests would not be compromised no matter what.

The Islamic brotherly country is exerting pressure on Islamabad for the concern that the export of its fuel to Pakistan, which is used in the country’s thermal powerhouses for electricity generation, will stand reduced to a naught.

This country also does not want Pakistan to develop close ties with Iran because of other ‘politico-religious’ differences.

Moreover, it is significant that Pakistan is considering the sea-route, rather than the Balochistan land route, for the Iranian gas. When the IPI was proposed, may of us here had said that a land route through TSP would be a no-go for India. It is ironical that Pakistan itself considers the sea-route now.

According to sources, the prime minister was informed that the sea route was comparatively more secure and also cost effective as it would not only save $2 billion but also reduce the pipeline stretch by 150 km.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2009 20:38

SSridhar wrote:Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline
According to sources, the prime minister was informed that the sea route was comparatively more secure and also cost effective as it would not only save $2 billion but also reduce the pipeline stretch by 150 km.

If that is the case, how come the pookies missed out on the obvious math back then? What factor has changed since then? Let me guess: more kickbacks?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 05 Jul 2009 22:00

Extremism not linked to Islam, asserts Imran

“No religion can allow suicide bombing”, he said adding that there is no solution to this problem in Islam as he termed the suicide bombing an entirely political issue....“The growing extremism in Pakistan cannot be curbed as long as US stays in Afghanistan”.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 05 Jul 2009 22:21

Rohit_K wrote:new high-tech gadgetry to aid security in Karachi:

“The most interesting thing is that it is designed with latest technology, which has been used in Holland.” For security measures we have installed a camera which can smoke any explosive material within the range of 500 meters and make the culprits paralysed through its rays for 30 minutes, thus it is easy to cop with the security issue there, he added.
Source

Me thinks that Mr. Khan went to Holland to conduct a comparative study of the Amsterdam cafes produce vs. NWFP's finest. I wonder exactly what those wily Dutch have sold him

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 05 Jul 2009 22:50

Anupmishra wrote:If that is the case, how come the pookies missed out on the obvious math back then? What factor has changed since then? Let me guess: more kickbacks?

SSridhar wrote:Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline
According to sources, the prime minister was informed that the sea route was comparatively more secure and also cost effective as it would not only save $2 billion but also reduce the pipeline stretch by 150 km.

It could be more simpler,

The pookis don't have any money to build any pipeline. They don't have any money to buy any gas (All the gas they are getting is 'khairaat' from umma brother Saudi Arabia - or soft loan for which they are seeking a debt relief)
There is going to be no IPI gas pipeline without India.

There is going to be no pakistani in IPL-cricket either without giving a "salaam sahib" to India. India is where the money is you paklurks, see your brave martial country bend over backwards to your "humsaaya mulk".

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 05 Jul 2009 22:53

^^ The Muslim Ummah country opposed is Saudi. I'm still curious why and how the gas pipeline through the sea is cheaper for the Paki's. Balochistan factor?

one a Western power and the other an all important brother Islamic country — were putting pressure on Pakistan to ditch the project but he vowed that the national interests would not be compromised no matter what.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 05 Jul 2009 22:58

I wonder if the pakistanis have thought this out.
After this round of begging and 'friends of pakistan is concluded', things are going to be OK for 8 - 10 months at the most.
After then what?
Another round of "Friends of Pakistan"? Another round of wailing for debt relief? No one is even willing to buy pakistan's state lead industries. Where is the money going to come from?
The pak fauj is certainly not cutting down on its AWACS or attack helicopters or its missiles and tanks. How long is ummah brother going to supply oil on loan?
The only export that pakistan seems to have are fulfilling current orders. No new orders seem to be coming in, no new investment in Pakistan is there. There are no new power projects.

What is going to happen 6 - 8 months down the line?

It seems the gloom is only going to get darker. The Pak fauj is going to wrap up and sit quietly in punjab's cities, with the talibs ruling all over. Sharia will come to all the states of pakistan very quickly.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 05 Jul 2009 22:59

Life and Death in Swat Valley

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 05 Jul 2009 23:02

U.N. sanction on Lashkar operative a blow to Pakistan

For the past year, Indian investigators, probing the deadly attack on the Lahore-bound train in which 68 people, mostly Pakistanis, were killed have been exploring various theories, including the involvement of the Lashkar.

The unravelling of a Hindutva terrorist cell following investigations into the Malegaon bombings generated leads which also prompted some speculation about their possible role in the Samjhauta incident.

Though the trail of evidence from Panipat and Indore eventually ran cold, external intelligence agencies — presumably from the United States — clearly had information the Indian side didn’t. And they seem to have found the fingerprints of the LeT and the Al-Qaeda all over the wrecked train.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 05 Jul 2009 23:03

harbans wrote:^^ The Muslim Ummah country opposed is Saudi. I'm still curious why and how the gas pipeline through the sea is cheaper for the Paki's. Balochistan factor?

There is going to be no pipeline if India doesn't take part. India is not willing for the pipeline via pakistan. (There goes pakistan's dream of millions of dollars of transit fees from kafir India). The pipeline will probably be more expensive to india via the sea route, but will be free of disruptions from pakistan. Also perhaps India envisages disruption along the Balochistan route in the near future

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Basically a move by pakistan to protect EchanDee.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 05 Jul 2009 23:07

Gerard wrote:U.N. sanction on Lashkar operative a blow to Pakistan

I fail to understand how this will be a blow to a terrorist or even his organization. These guys are not exactly international bankers, that their bank accounts being closed / international travel restrictions in place, is going to stop their trade.
Pakistan seems to be doing fine even with all the sanctions in place.
How have sanctions on LET or MUD ever affected their functioning? A resolution by UN - of all agencies, on a piece of paper doesn't mean much in downtown terror central.

komal · Post by **komal** » 05 Jul 2009 23:40

Pakistan seems to be doing fine even with all the sanctions in place.

Amazing stuff! Pakistan is a bankrupt nation forced to kill its own people to please the US, cede portions of its territory to the Chinese, and seek the approval of Saudi masters for any major governmental decision.

I know the accepted view is that the GOI are shameless pacifists continually fooled by the dynamic and brilliant Pakistani mililtary and diplomatic elite. Many posters on this forum would like nothing more than a frontal assault on few 'base camps' in POK.

Since the Mumbai Massacre the degeneration of the Pakistani state has accelerated. And only the hardcore here would assume that RAW has had nothing to do with any of this becuase Sonia Gandhi is an Italian and MMS isn't from the Lok Sabha.

Pakistan is a state coddled by Saudia Arabia and China and to a large exent by the USA. The Chinese Commies would love nothing more than a shooting war between India and Pakistan. Pakistan becomes even more a client state willing to ethnically cleanse large areas to make room for the Han in return for few obsolete missles. India's economic growth slows dramatically as the West leaves Bangalore, Madras, Mumbai for safer regions in Hunan.

In response to 9/11, Bush's inept attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan managed to cripple the USA with a punishing debt burden. Bush provided an air lift to take the ISI and their loved ones out of harms way. He was deathly afraid of alienating Saudia Arabia and China.

However, China can only sit and watch in agony as its best laid plans go to waste as civil war engulfs Pakistan and as the "Taliban" somehow is now able to target ISI and even Pakistani nuclear assets with impunity.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 05 Jul 2009 23:46

http://blog.dawn.com:91/dblog/2009/04/2 ... %E2%80%A6/

I get it now, it ain't the Paki that is the terrorist, it is the Pathan.

Read the comments to discern the deep ethnic cleavage in Pakistan-soon to get worse as evidenced by more Pathans running into more buildings all over Pakistan. Maybe India should settle the Swatis (heeheheheheeheeee).

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 05 Jul 2009 23:48

That "pakistan seems to be doing fine" is more in reference to them continuing their International Terror (IT) business, than any thing else. In this field, no matter what sanctions they have on them, no matter what state of bankruptcy they are in, their terrorist training and execution of terrorist acts goes on unabated!

Of course Pakistan is not 'doing fine' in all other areas that matter.

Vivek Kumar · Post by **Vivek Kumar** » 06 Jul 2009 00:57

Pak terrorists fire rockets at Punjab border villages

Pakistan-based terrorists attacked two villages, Dhandae and Baherwal, in Attari block in Amritsar with rockets late on Saturday night, injuring one youth and spreading panic in the region. One of the three rockets fell within the Pakistani territory.

This is the first time that Indian villages along the International Border have been targeted during peace time from Pakistani soil

Two bombs hurled from Pakistani side; youth injured

BSF investigates blasts near Attari border

Three rockets fired from Pak side, two land in Indian villages

BSF shoots Pak national near Attari post

India protests firing along Punjab border

India has called on Pakistan to strengthen security along the international border in Punjab, following a mysterious rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) attack on Saturday night.

Sources in the Border Security Force said an RPG exploded in a field near the Pul Kanjari Border Observation Post, shortly before 10:30 p.m. on Saturday. Its fragments were later recovered.

Both incidents followed an early-afternoon shooting, in which a Pakistani attempting to cross the fencing was killed. It is unclear, however, if the shooting and the subsequent explosions were linked.

“Based on the trajectory of the rockets, our best guess is that both were aimed at the KS Wallah Post, but one missed its target and landed on our side of the border,” a senior BSF official said.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Jul 2009 01:50

Why Obama's Afghan War is Different

One HAS to wonder why no one in the US did part with this knowledge to the Pakistanis just a few months earlier!!!!!

While Pakistan, enacting the very same thing, has a devastating result, the US-Afghan team is doing a FAR better job.

So far, so good in the first major offensive of President Barack Obama's war in Afghanistan. For the past four days, 4,000 U.S. Marines and 650 Afghan soldiers have been fighting their way into the southern reaches of Afghanistan's Helmand River Valley, hoping to clear out insurgents there. But other than one limited area of fierce resistance, the fighting has generally been limited to small-scale skirmishes in which few Taliban have been killed, because most of the insurgents appear to have slipped away — as guerrillas tend to do when confronted by overwhelming firepower. More important to U.S. goals, however, is that no civilians have been hurt, because the purpose of the operation is to secure the local population against the Taliban.

Talk of disconnects.

Of course, India IMHO, needs to propose that the US hand over all those predators to the Pakis.

James B · Post by **James B** » 06 Jul 2009 02:06

This is an interview of Taariq Ali who wrote the book 'The Duel:Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power". Here he exposes the Pakistani history, non-identity, its corrupt leaders etc and American perfidy in all of this. Nice watch.

James B · Post by **James B** » 06 Jul 2009 02:18

Musharraf got no cheap gifts for himself or his Mrs

Former president General Parvez Musharraf, following in the footsteps of his hand-picked prime minister Shaukat Aziz, has taken away 168 expensive gifts worth about Rs 40 million (at the pitifully low official price) given by top foreign dignitaries along with him (mostly free of cost) before leaving Pakistan to settle in London. These gifts include dozens of boxes of jewellery, necklaces, pearls, diamonds, four American revolvers, Rolex watches, gold, earrings and rings.

Musharraf even set a new record by retaining a gift of only Rs 15 instead of depositing it with the Toshakhana.(Pakis are so cheap ) Thus, now Shaukat Aziz appears more respectable to us, who had priced a gift given by the governor of Nepal at Rs 25, and then retained it free of cost.

The list of the gifts given to Musharraf revealed that he was the only ruler who was given one of the most expensive jewellery sets in gold and diamond (Rs 10.153 million), necklace (Rs 2,470,500), bracelet (Rs1,773,900) and a pair of ring (Rs 484,200) when he went to visit Saudi Arabia in 2007. He retained this expensive gift by paying Rs 2.2 million from his pocket. Saudis again gave him a jewellery set in gold diamonds and blue sapphire whose price was Rs 2.4 million. One necklace (Rs 0.8m), one bracelet (Rs 0.356m) and one pair of earrings (Rs 127,500) were also given to him. Musharraf paid Rs 560,025 from his pocket to retain gifts worth Rs 3.7 million.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 06 Jul 2009 03:08

^^^What was Musharraf's salary as President and Army Chief ???

Akshut · Post by **Akshut** » 06 Jul 2009 03:32

Rohit_K wrote:new high-tech gadgetry to aid security in Karachi:

“The most interesting thing is that it is designed with latest technology, which has been used in Holland.” For security measures we have installed a camera which can smoke any explosive material within the range of 500 meters and make the culprits paralysed through its rays for 30 minutes, thus it is easy to cop with the security issue there, he added.
Source

Went to Deaf and Dumb. And the creatures there are actually wondering and discussing that how this technology works?

Why God? Why? Was there so much scarcity of humour on Earth that you have to make 170 million of them?

I can't explain. It's a mixture of so many emotions put together. It makes me laugh, a bit angry(on how could some Human beings possibly be so dumb?), makes me have a little pity on their ignorance, makes me sad that they were here 62 years ago, makes me wonder what actually their life would be like, thinking that they are world-beaters, when in actual, according to Normal Human Society, they are dysfunctional pri*ks.

How do you guys feel about it?

komal · Post by **komal** » 06 Jul 2009 04:06

In this field, no matter what sanctions they have on them, no matter what state of bankruptcy they are in, their terrorist training and execution of terrorist acts goes on unabated!

The two are not unrelated. It is GOP active role in executing terrorist acts that has led to their current state. The more terrorists acts they foment, the worse their situation becomes.

It is all the GOP has at this point -- a terrorist act that incites the Indian Army to move into Pakistan. Pakistan then threatens to use its 'nukes' and the whole world falls at their feet, offers them Kashmir, the headwaters of the Indus, and Hyderabad Deccan in exchange for a ceasefire.

Any rational observer can see that the Pakistan's descent into chaos has accelerated since the Mumbai Massacre. True, the GOI is viewed as cowards, wimps, incompetents and worse by the cognoscenti because they didn't take the bait and send a few divisions to slaughter some expendible mujahdeen (while the key elements conveniently go to Riyadh or Beijing for urgent consultations) and bomb some huts.

Alas, the slurs of a few are probably the least price paid by India.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Jul 2009 04:18

raghunath wrote:This is an interview of Taariq Ali who wrote the book 'The Duel:Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power". Here he exposes the Pakistani history, non-identity, its corrupt leaders etc and American perfidy in all of this. Nice watch.

says he was shocked about a UNDP report saying the newer generation P'stanis are shorter and he was unprepared to hear that news.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Jul 2009 04:40

sanjaykumar wrote:http://blog.dawn.com:91/dblog/2009/04/2 ... %E2%80%A6/

I get it now, it ain't the Paki that is the terrorist, it is the Pathan. Read the comments to discern the deep ethnic cleavage in Pakistan-soon to get worse as evidenced by more Pathans running into more buildings all over Pakistan. Maybe India should settle the Swatis (heeheheheheeheeee).

I left a comment on the Blog:

I don’t understand what the problem is in Pakistan. Over 97% Pakistanis are Muslim. The Taliban are some of the most pious Muslims on Earth, and they are only encouraging Pakistanis to stick to Islam as has been revealed in the Qu’ran and the Hadiths.

All Pakistanis should be happy to be shown the way of true Islam, and instead of that you Pakistanis have started cursing the Taliban and even waging war on them, having been misled by the Pakistani military, which everybody knows is just doing America’s bidding. All the Generals are filling their pockets with dollars, and covering their hands with the blood of the innocent.

So I urge all Pakistanis to heed the Taliban and to follow Islam. You all have chosen of your own free will to be Muslims and Pakistanis, so why are you running away from it.

Bloodshed is part of Islamic history, and so is Jihad. Accept the truth. Why do you try to be something you’re not? There is no need to try to be democratic like India or advanced like the West. Accept Taliban’s straight-jacket and bring an end to this daily suicide attacks. No Muslim can withstand the call of Allah. Sooner or later, you will all have to succumb to the will of Taliban.

Congratulations!

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 06 Jul 2009 05:01

^^^ i too urge all pakilurkers, to roll up their sleeves, sorry, roll up their salwars upto their ankles, and join the revolution.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Jul 2009 05:20

komal wrote: The two are not unrelated. It is GOP active role in executing terrorist acts that has led to their current state. The more terrorists acts they foment, the worse their situation becomes.

It is all the GOP has at this point -- a terrorist act that incites the Indian Army to move into Pakistan. Pakistan then threatens to use its 'nukes' and the whole world falls at their feet, offers them Kashmir, the headwaters of the Indus, and Hyderabad Deccan in exchange for a ceasefire.

Any rational observer can see that the Pakistan's descent into chaos has accelerated since the Mumbai Massacre. True, the GOI is viewed as cowards, wimps, incompetents and worse by the cognoscenti because they didn't take the bait and send a few divisions to slaughter some expendible mujahdeen (while the key elements conveniently go to Riyadh or Beijing for urgent consultations) and bomb some huts.

Alas, the slurs of a few are probably the least price paid by India.

Excellent observation. I would like to add that it would be nearly impossible for Pakis to go back to their old ways of sponsering terror, even against India. If India can withstand pressure from Amirkhan about giving more concession to Pakis on Cashmere, given their predicament, Pakistan will arguably be the worst looser.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 06 Jul 2009 06:30

RajeshA

Apparently, your comment has been deleted

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 06 Jul 2009 06:41

As I said India did not walk into the Mumbai trap. However I am not sure if its agency are engaged in this civil war. There may well be camps somewhere for "mukti bahini".

Well rajesh most Indians posting there seem to be somewhat naive and not a little foolish.I don't understand why the secular brigade are not concerned. Ordinarily mahesh Bhat can't keep his mouth shut.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 06 Jul 2009 06:41

jamwal wrote:RajeshA

Apprently, your comment has been deleted

Just proves that they and the US do not know a good advice when they get one.