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Calling IAF pilots for Dhruv surveillance

What a shame! Our state govt. can't even get one Helicopter in to air! Just imagine, entire state without a single helicopter for use by Police or other emergency services!
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This is a good move. I must say that AK Antony is really making some good moves here.
It is about that we have an integrated defense system in place bu connecting all of them in a network like the US has done.
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http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/w ... en/3237557

This link shows more detailed conversation between gunmen and their handlers on mumbai attack. Seems they had an operations specialist guiding them and motivating them.And for the guys seems were poor and extremists probably had brain washed and exceptionally trained.
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Kahuta's Blueprint: According to the September 18-24, 1988 issue of the weekly Indian Magazine Sunday, RAW agents claim that in early 1978, they were on the verge of obtaining the plans and blueprint for Kahuta nuclear plant that was built to counter the Pokharan atomic blast, but the then Indian Prime Minister Morarji Desai not only refused to sanction the $ 10,000 demanded by the RAW agent, but informed Pakistan of the offer. According to the report, Pakistanis caught and eliminated the RAW mole.
Plan to assassinate General Zia-ur-Rahman: According to the September 18-24, 1988 issue of the weekly Magazine Sunday (Calcutta), RAW was on the verge of assassinating Bangladesh's President General Zia-ur-Rahman (with Mrs Gandhi's approval) when the Congress government fell. RAW briefed the new Prime Minister Morarji Desai about it who was appalled at the idea and stopped the murder. General Zia continued to rule Bangladesh for many more years.
Above quotes are from a paki website.
Morarji Desai should have been charged with treason. If someone like him had been the PM during Kargil conflict, he would have handed over the entire area to pakistan

Read FWIW
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^^^ Morarji Desai was just the kind of leader that India has suffered because of - he was idealistic beyond all reason, and beyond all help; something that is bound to cause problems. Nehru was also similar, but he did have a bit of pragmatism. However, the times when he allowed that to be overruled by his ideals was when India lost.

Gandhi on the other hand, used his ideals very very cleverly, padded with heavy doses of pragmatism - Some think that he was completely idealistic, with a bit of pragmatism. Its the opposite - he was completely pragmatic, with enough idealism for spin and a strong spine for the movement. he was, after all, a lawyer.

The problem with Desai is that he confused the means with the end (India's security and development). similar to Cato and Cicero in Ancient Rome - while Cicero was flexible enough to change tack when it suited him, his end remained the same - protect the republic. cato on the other hand, through his obstinacy, destroyed it.
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National Intelligence Grid, NCTC to be set up.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090702/8 ... -to-b.html
The Union Home Minister on Thursday said that it would set up a National Intelligence Grid (NIG) and National Counter-Terrorism Centre (NCTC) by September end in order to strengthen the intelligence sharing and analysing mechanism in the country.
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And who may I ask will manage them and take care of their daily maintenance.
Another make it rich scheme from useless babus and netas. Knee jerk reactions from the people who can't find their own asses when the terrorists strike.
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This issue of "The Week" magazine has a cover story on interrogation centres which our agencies maintain.

The magazine claims to have identified 15 such centers with the maximum being in Mumbai. Makes for interesting reading.
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AmitR wrote:
And who may I ask will manage them and take care of their daily maintenance.
Another make it rich scheme from useless babus and netas. Knee jerk reactions from the people who can't find their own asses when the terrorists strike.
You may be interested to know that Londonistan is now completely under video coverage. Whether tracking individuals is a good or bad thing is another discussion.
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NIA gets Rs 15 crore budget allocations
The NIA has been asked to fill up all posts and finalise issues like declaring NIA as a police station and setting up of special courts.
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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htseam ... 90706.aspx

China Ocean Shipping Co

That's not all COSCO does for the Chinese government. The company also provides cover for Chinese spy operations, and any "special operations" the Chinese Navy needed help with. However, it appears that COSCO is more into espionage than previously thought. As American counter-terrorism activities increased in out-of-the-way places, they often found that, not only was COSCO already there, but so were plenty of Chinese intelligence personnel, operating under the cover of COSCO employees. It was a near-perfect fit. Port operations are the center of much of what goes into, and comes out of, a country. In many poor countries, the local officials who oversee foreign operators like COSCO can be bribed to look the other way when "special" cargo goes in, or out. COSCO also moves sensitive people, and material, for the Chinese military. It's never been a secret that COSCO works closely with Chinese military and intelligence agencies, but the degree of cooperation has been increasing. COSCO has also been caught smuggling illegal cargos
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sum wrote:This issue of "The Week" magazine has a cover story on interrogation centres which our agencies maintain.

The magazine claims to have identified 15 such centers with the maximum being in Mumbai. Makes for interesting reading.
Scans anyone?
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guys, don't touch strategypage with a barge-pole. it's complete garbage.
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MI-6's head exposed through wife's "Facebook acct." in an apalling lapse of security!

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/british ... count.html

MI6 chief and his wife's Facebook account
MI6 chief blows his cover as wife's Facebook account reveals family holidays, showbiz friends and links to David Irving | Mail Online

The new head of MI6 has been left exposed by a major personal security breach after his wife published intimate photographs and family details on the Facebook website.

Sir John Sawers is due to take over as chief of the Secret Intelligence Service in November, putting him in charge of all Britain's spying operations abroad.

But his wife's entries on the social networking site have exposed potentially compromising details about where they live and work, who their friends are and where they spend their holidays.

Amazingly, she had put virtually no privacy protection on her account, making it visible to any of the site's 200million users who chose to be in the open-access 'London' network - regardless of where in the world they actually were.

There are fears that the hugely embarrassing blunder may have compromised the safety of Sir John's family and friends.

Lady Shelley Sawers' extraordinary lapse exposed the couple's friendships with senior diplomats and well-known actors, including Moir Leslie, who plays a leading character in The Archers. And it revealed that the intelligence chief's brother-in-law - who holidayed with him last month - is an associate of the controversial Right-wing historian David Irving.

Immediately after The Mail on Sunday alerted the Foreign Office to the astonishing misjudgment, all trace of the material – which could potentially be useful to hostile foreign powers or terrorists - was removed from the internet.

The move suggests that MI6 or the Foreign Office, which is also responsible for the GCHQ electronic eavesdropping centre in Cheltenham, had not vetted what sort of information Sir John and his family were distributing over the internet.

Nor does it appear that the new intelligence chief - who will be codenamed 'C' once he takes up his post - had considered the potential risks of what his family was revealing to the world.

Foreign Office staff are warned about their use of social networking sites when they join the department but MI6 expects its agents to maintain an even tighter secrecy, telling them not to reveal their true role to all but their closest family.

Sir John Sawers, currently Britain's Ambassador to the United Nations, where he sits on the highly sensitive Security Council, began his working life in MI6 but has spent the past 20 years building a career as a diplomat rather than a spy.

Senior politicians said the security lapse raised serious doubts about Sir John's suitability to head the intelligence service - and raised questions over whether an outsider should have been appointed to such a sensitive role.

Despite the security implications, Lady Sawers revealed on Facebook the location of the London flat used by the couple and the whereabouts of their three children and of Sir John's parents.

On June 16, the very day Sir John's MI6 appointment was announced, she posted 19 pictures of the couple on holiday with their friends in the West Country earlier that month.

The following day, she added a further 26 pictures, including one of Sir John playing on the beach in his swimming trucks, posing with his wife and children and chatting with friends and his mother.

Among those who joined the Sawers on the break were actors Moir Leslie, who plays both Sophie Barlow and vicar Janet Fisher in Radio 4 soap opera The Archers, and Alister Cameron, a character actor who has appeared on The Bill and Footballers' Wives.

Lady Sawers' Facebook 'friends' have also used the account to send messages of congratulations to Sir John on his new job, with one relative joking that he will now be known as 'Uncle C'.

On the day his appointment was announced, she wrote: 'Congrats on the new job, already dubbed Sir Uncle "C" by nephews in the know!'

Over the past year, Lady Sawers has been regularly updating anyone who cared to read her page - which could be found via internet search engines - on everything from family parties and holidays to the health of their pets and her views on the crisis in the Congo.

She also posted 22 photographs from Sir John's mother's 80th birthday party, showing the future spy chief with his closest friends and extended family, including his 86-year-old father, his two sons, aged 25 and 24, their girlfriends, and the couple's daughter Corinne, 22, a recent Oxford University graduate who is now an aspiring actress.

Corinne recently began touring with Jenny Seagrove in the play Pack Of Lies, coincidentally about a middle-class household suddenly at the centre of an espionage drama when an MI5 spy turns up at their house.

Among those featured in family photographs on the website is Lady Sawers' half-brother Hugo Haig-Thomas, a former diplomat.

Lady Sawers met her husband after visiting her brother when he was posted to Yemen in the late Seventies. She liked the country and decided to stay, landing a secretarial job at the Embassy, where Sir John later succeeded Mr Haig-Thomas.

Mr Haig-Thomas is an associate and researcher for revisionist historian David Irving, who was jailed for three years in Austria in 2006 for 'glorifying the Nazi Party' because he questioned whether the Holocaust took place.

The historian describes Haig-Thomas as 'a researcher who has done fine work for me'. His work includes examining the papers relating to the capture of Heinrich Himmler, the man behind Hitler's plan to exterminate the European Jews.

A recent post by Mr Haig-Thomas on Irving's website includes a translation of the testimony of a German officer who claimed to have built fake gas chambers at Sachsenhausen concentration camp on Soviet orders.

But Mr Haig-Thomas said he had never considered his views controversial, nor did he regret his connection with Irving.

He said: 'We are not close friends. I am interested in history, particularly German history, and I was engaged to carry out research for Irving. I have also attended several of his talks, but I do not necessarily share his views.

'In my experience, the Foreign Office are very sensible about these things and will see that our connection does not amount to much.'

Edward Davy, the Liberal Democrat Foreign Affairs spokesman, called on Gordon Brown to launch an inquiry into whether the Facebook disclosures had compromised Sir John's ability to take up his MI6 post.

He said: 'Normally, I would welcome greater openness in Government for officials or politicians but this type of exposure verges on the reckless.

'The Prime Minister should immediately commission an internal inquiry as to whether this has breached the security of the incoming head of MI6 too seriously to allow him to take up the post.'

And Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, an adviser to Government Security Minister Lord West, said the MI6 chief had left himself open to blackmail.

He said: 'Sir John Sawers is in a very sensitive position and by revealing this sort of material his family have left him open to criticism and blackmail.

'As a long-serving diplomat and ambassador, his whole family have been involved in his line of business for decades. I would have hoped they would have been much more sensitive to potential security compromises like this.'

The Foreign Office refused to discuss the affair and declined to answer questions, including whether the department warned Ambassadors and other staff about social networking sites; whether the details Sir John's family published on the internet had come up in security checks before he was appointed as head of MI6; and whether he had made officials aware of his brother-in-law's links to David Irving.

A spokeswoman said: 'We have nothing to add.'

PS:To those unfamiliar with Irving's writings,he has been accused of being a Nazi apologist who has stoutly defended the fuhrer's innocence in the Holocaust,blaming the final solution on Himmler,saying that there is no written evidence of Hitler authorising the murder of millions of Jews and other unfortunates.Irving has produced in his books evidence to support his claim that Hitler wanted to move the Jews out of Germany,lock,stock and barrel to first the island of Madagascar (!) and then to achieve "lebensraum",into the vastness of Russia after he defeated Stalin.Irving has thus been treated as an "untouchable" by the British establishment and for him to have possible access to the head of MI-6 through his friend appears beyond the pale.
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US to build new massive NSA facility in Utah.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12735293

Spies like us: NSA to build huge facility in Utah
Civilian jobs » The facility could offer more than 1,000 high-tech jobs for the state.
By Matthew D. LaPlante

The Salt Lake Tribune

Updated: 07/02/2009 09:10:38 AM MDT
NSA center
Jul 2:
New NSA center unveiled in budget documentsHoping to protect its top-secret operations by decentralizing its massive computer hubs, the National Security Agency will build a 1-million-square-foot data center at Utah's Camp Williams.

The years-in-the-making project, which may cost billions over time, got a $181 million start last week when President Obama signed a war spending bill in which Congress agreed to pay for primary construction, power access and security infrastructure. The enormous building, which will have a footprint about three times the size of the Utah State Capitol building, will be constructed on a 200-acre site near the Utah National Guard facility's runway.

Congressional records show that initial construction -- which may begin this year -- will include tens of millions in electrical work and utility construction, a $9.3 million vehicle inspection facility, and $6.8 million in perimeter security fencing. The budget also allots $6.5 million for the relocation of an existing access road, communications building and training area.

Officials familiar with the project say it may bring as many as 1,200 high-tech jobs to Camp Williams, which borders Salt Lake, Utah and Tooele counties.

It will also require at least 65 megawatts of power -- about the same amount used by every home in Salt Lake City combined. A separate power substation will have to be built at Camp Williams to sustain that demand, said Col. Scott Olson, the Utah National Guard's legislative liaison.

He noted that there were two significant power corridors that ran though Camp Williams -- a chief factor in the NSA's desire to build there.

The NSA bills itself as the home of America's codemakers and codebreakers, but the Department of Defense agency is perhaps better known for its signals intelligence program, which is reported to have the capacity to tap into a significant amount of the world's communications. The agency also has been the subject of significant criticism by civil libertarians, who have accused it of unwarranted monitoring of the communications of U.S. citizens.

The NSA's heavily automated computerized operations have for years been based at Fort Meade, Maryland, but the agency began looking to decentralize its efforts following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Propelling that desire was the insatiable energy appetite of the agency's computers. In 2006, the Baltimore Sun reported that the NSA -- Baltimore Gas & Electric's biggest customer -- had maxed out the local grid and could not bring online several supercomputers it needed to expand its operations.

About the same time, NSA officials, who have a long-standing relationship with Utah based on the state Guard's unique linguist units, approached state officials about finding land in the state on which to build an additional data center.

Olson said NSA officials also seemed drawn to Utah's increasing reputation as a center of technical industry and the area's more traditional role as a transportation hub.

"They were looking at secure sites, where there could be a natural nexus between organizations and where space was available," he said. "The stars just kind of came into alignment. We could provide them everything they need."

The agency is building a similar center in San Antonio at the site of a former Sony microchip plant.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, the longest-serving member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, refused to answer questions about the project. Officials from Hatch's office said they were not at liberty to discuss a classified matter, though it is referenced in several public documents and has been spoken about openly by state officials for the past week.

NSA officials also declined to comment immediately on the project, but pledged to answer questions later this week.

Tribune reporter Matt Canham contributed to this story
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The nos. should be opposite.

Police Forces are still like medival ages' chowkidaars.
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Jamal K. Malik wrote:AP sanctions land to its anti-terror force 'Octopus' near Hyderabad
CoBRA
Force One
Octopus
What next? :)
Quick Reaction Team in Delhi http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Citi ... 805067.cms
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A tactics wing for training IPS officers is also being setup by union ministry.
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Folks the implied vision for this thread is to focus on Indian Intel and NS discussion. Other countries are nice to have but lets nto lose focus.
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Rupesh wrote:

Read FWIW
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Ashok A Biswas, a Delhi-based research scholar, in his recently compiled study RAW - An Unobstructive Instrument of India's Foreign Policy, (as quoted by Pakistan Observer in 'A RAW deal for South Asia, 03 May, 1998) states that 'the aim of RAW is to keep internal disturbances flaring up and the ISI preoccupied so that Pakistan can lend no worthwhile resistance to Indian designs in the region.' He concludes, 'RAW over the years has admirably fulfilled its task of destabilizing target states through unbridled export for terrorism. The 'Indian Doctrine' spelt out a difficult and onerous role of RAW. It goes to its credit that it has accomplished its assigned objectives. The Indian government spelling out the task for RAW in this regard has stated, 'Pakistan should be so destabilized internally that it could not support the 'Kashmir cause even morally, diplomatically or politically'. Keeping the size of Pakistan in view, the task seems a difficult one for RAW. But it appears, RAW has taken it as a challenge and is working assiduously and speedily to accomplish this task'.
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Wouldn't read too much into what the "analyst", fondly called Khali Hali by BR, barfs in his articles(if his other articles are to go by)...
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Tanaji wrote:
sum wrote:This issue of "The Week" magazine has a cover story on interrogation centres which our agencies maintain.

The magazine claims to have identified 15 such centers with the maximum being in Mumbai. Makes for interesting reading.
Scans anyone?
http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... Id=5670071

Labeling fifteen two-three room structures as "India's Gitmo" is just hyping it?
THE WEEK has identified 15 such secret interrogation centres-three each in Mumbai, Delhi, Gujarat and Jammu and Kashmir, two in Kolkata and one in Assam. (One detention centre that is shared by all security and law enforcement agencies is in Palanpur, Gujarat.)
The biggest of the three detention centres in Mumbai, the Aarey Colony facility in Goregaon, has four rooms. Another secret detention centre maintained in the city by the ATS at Kalachowky has a sound-proof room. The smallest of the three facilities at Chembur has just two rooms.
Kolkata has its own Gitmos in Bhabani Bhawan, now the headquarters of the Criminal Investigation Department, and the Alipore Retreat in Tollygunj, a bungalow that is said to have 20 rooms.
Delhi's secret detention centres are located at Dwarka in south-west Delhi, the Inter-state Cell of the Crime Branch in Chanakyapuri in central Delhi, and the Lodhi Colony police station in south Delhi.
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Labeling fifteen two-three room structures as "India's Gitmo" is just hyping it?
Absolutely no doubt in that. The author is clearly having some issues with the agencies/is a human rights wallah going by all his previous articles.

However, the article at least tells us where the "gitmos" are and the kind of tactics our men use to make the pigs squeal.
Also, the CIK finds a mention in the article.
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sum wrote:Absolutely no doubt in that. The author is clearly having some issues with the agencies/is a human rights wallah going by all his previous articles.
And some of his pearls of wisdom and are actually in praise of the terrorist suspect, and the article in general has a tone that all this is used by only 'members from a specific community'. :evil:
Little Terrorist, as the intelligence sleuths came to call him, turned out to be a hard nut to crack. No amount of torture would work on 20-year-old Mohammed Issa, who was picked up from Delhi on February 5, 2006.
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sum wrote:This issue of "The Week" magazine has a cover story on interrogation centres which our agencies maintain.
This is far more than simple Human Rights nonsense - this is, if true, a clear compromise of our intell assets, locations and operations. Syed Nazakat, Anupam Dasgupta and the Editor must be proud of doing the devil's (puki's) work... so send them to where they belong - jail and a long OSA term.

One wonders where the hell are the other presswallahs who keep toting about freedom, freedom...
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k prasad wrote:This is far more than simple Human Rights nonsense - this is, if true, a clear compromise of our intell assets, locations and operations.
I dont think our Intelligence Agencies are so foolish enough
1. To reveal all the details of the interrogation centres. Who knows if they are still in use?
2. To openly go on record that the instituitions are in place. I noticed that none of the serving officers have openly committed on any thing mentioned in this report. Lone exception is M.K Dhar who is now any way retired.

Though this may slander the "reputation" :roll: of our Intel agencies, this could also be stale data which has been fed to gullible reporters ;).
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This is far more than simple Human Rights nonsense - this is, if true, a clear compromise of our intell assets, locations and operations.
I really dont think that too much has been given out by our agencies.

Most of the centers listed are anyways police camps, stations. There will be other "safehouses"/weekend retreats for the special guests.
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Bhai Log
Why lose your temper over some report. That's what happens in free nation. People have right to know. Now most people know so no one can accuse govt of doing her bidding in secret. Its just a news report how can we verify that all that was told to them was just false information. We are master of denial. Lets keep these people in good humor they have a purpose to serve that is keep telling govt who is the 5th column.
Remember even bad publicity is a publicity.
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The massive on-going cyber attacks against the US should give us fair warning at developing our own fail safe cyber proof C4I systems for both military and civilian targets.That most of it is coing from the Far East could easily come from the same source.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/massive-cybe ... te]Massive cyber attack affects government Web sites in US, SKorea; NKorea suspectedUS
Lolita C. Baldor July 8th, 2009
Government Web sites attacked; NKorea suspected

WASHINGTON — A widespread computer attack that began July 4 knocked out the Web sites of the Treasury Department, the Secret Service and other U.S. agencies, and South Korean government sites also came under assault.


South Korean intelligence officials believe the attacks were carried out by North Korean or pro-Pyongyang forces. U.S. officials so far have refused to publicly discuss details of the attack or where it might have originated.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that its own Web site was among several commercial sites also hit.

The U.S. government sites, which included those of the Federal Trade Commission and the Transportation Department, were all down at varying points over the holiday weekend and into this week. South Korean Internet sites began experiencing problems Tuesday.

South Korea’s National Intelligence Service, the nation’s main spy agency, told a group of South Korean lawmakers Wednesday it believes that North Korea or North Korean sympathizers in the South were behind the attacks, according to an aide to one of the lawmakers briefed on the information.

The aide spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the information. The National Intelligence Service — South Korea’s main spy agency — said it couldn’t immediately confirm the report, but it said it was cooperating with American authorities.

Amy Kudwa, spokeswoman for the Homeland Security Department, said the agency’s U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team issued a notice to federal departments and other partner organizations about the problems and “advised them of steps to take to help mitigate against such attacks.”

Others familiar with the U.S. outage, which is called a denial of service attack, said the fact that the government Web sites were still being affected three days after it began signaled an unusually lengthy and sophisticated attack.

Attacks on federal computer networks are common, ranging from nuisance hacking to more serious assaults, sometimes blamed on China. U.S. security officials also worry about cyber attacks from al-Qaida or other terrorists.

This time, two government officials acknowledged that the Treasury and Secret Service sites were brought down, and said the agencies were working with their Internet service provider to resolve the problem. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the matter.

Ben Rushlo, director of Internet technologies at Keynote Systems, said problems with the Transportation Department site began Saturday and continued until Monday, while the FTC site was down Sunday and Monday.

Keynote Systems is a mobile and Web site monitoring company based in San Mateo, Calif. The company publishes data detailing outages on Web sites, including 40 government sites it watches.

According to Rushlo, the Transportation Web site was “100 percent down” for two days, so that no Internet users could get through to it. The FTC site, meanwhile, started to come back online late Sunday, but even on Tuesday Internet users still were unable to get to the site 70 percent of the time.

Web sites of major South Korean government agencies, including the presidential Blue House and the Defense Ministry, and some banking sites were paralyzed Tuesday. An initial investigation found that many personal computers were infected with a virus ordering them to visit major official Web sites in South Korea and the U.S. at the same time, Korea Information Security Agency official Shin Hwa-su said.

Associated Press writer Hyung-Jin Kim in Seoul, South Korea, contributed to this report.

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CIA spy in Indian cabinet
A minister of Indira Gandhi’s cabinet betrayed India’s “war objectives” to the Central Intelligence Agency in December 1971, causing an abrupt end to the Bangladesh war under vicious US arm twisting.

This is the highlight of the book CIA’s Eye on South Asia by journalist Anuj Dhar. Published by Delhi-based Manas Publications, which is facing government’s ire for coming out with a book on the R&AW, the book compiles declassified CIA records on India and her neighbours. It specifically spotlights what arguably has been India’s biggest spy scandal.

In the run up to the 1971 India Pakistan war over what was then East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), The New York Times first hinted at the presence of a CIA operative in the Indian government. By December The Washington Post had reported that US President Richard Nixon’s South Asia policy was being guided by “reports from a source close to Mrs. Gandhi.”

Records and telecons declassified recently - but not properly explained up till now - show that a dramatic turnaround came on December 6 when a CIA operative, whom Dhar pins down as a minister of the Indira Cabinet, leaked out India’s “war objectives” to the agency. Prime Minister Gandhi told Union Cabinet that apart from liberating Bangladesh, India intended to take over a strategically important part of the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and go for the total annihilation of Pakistan’s armed forces so that Pakistan “never attempts to challenge India in the future.”

When he came to know of the CIA report, a furious Nixon blurted out that “this woman [Indira Gandhi] suckered us,” thinking that Mrs. Gandhi had promised him that India won’t attack East Pakistan - not to speak of targeting West Pakistan and PoK. “But let me tell you, she’s going to pay,” he told his National Security Advisor Dr Henry Kissinger even as he tried to leak out the CIA report to give her bad press.

The CIA went on assess that fulfillment of India’s “war objectives” might lead to “the emergence of centrifugal forces which could shatter West Pakistan into as many as three or four separate countries.”

As a direct result of the operative’s information, the Nixon administration went on an overdrive to save West Pakistan from a massive Indian assault. Because the President felt that “international morality will be finished - the United Nations will be finished - if you adopt the principle that because a country is democratic and big it can do what the hell it pleases.”

Nixon personally threatened the USSR with a “major confrontation” between the superpowers should the Soviets failed to stop the Indians from going into West Pakistan. Kissinger secretly met Chinese Permanent Representative at the UN to apprise him of the CIA operative’s report and rub in that what India was planning to do with Pakistan with the Soviet backing could turn out to be a “dress rehearsal” of what they might do to China.

Dhar quotes in the book the official records showing that USSR’s First Deputy Foreign Minister Vasily Kuznetsov visited Delhi after Nixon’s threat and told the “Indians to confine their objectives to East Pakistan” and “not to try and take any part of West Pakistan, including Azad Kashmir” as “Moscow was concerned about the possibility of a great power confrontation over the subcontinent.” Kuznetsov also extracted a guarantee from Prime Minister Gandhi that India will not attack West Pakistan. This decision was promptly conveyed to Nixon. On 16 December 1971 when Nixon was told that India had declared a ceasefire, he exulted: “We have made it… it’s the Russians working for us.” Kissinger congratulated him for saving West Pakistan - India’s main target, as per the operative’s report to the CIA.

Dhar repudiates recent assertion by a former Indian Navy chief that showing up of America’s biggest nuclear powered carrier into the Bay of Bengal during the war had something to do with the accidental destruction of a US plane in Dhaka during an Indian strafing. “Declassified records make it unambiguously clear that the month-long show of strength by the USS Enterprise and accompanying flotilla was a byproduct of the CIA operative’s reports,” he writes, reproducing chunks from official records detailing how Nixon ordered a naval task force towards the subcontinent to “scare off” India from attacking West Pakistan.

In subsequent years, former Prime Minister Morarji Desai, and two deputy PMs - Jagjivan Ram and Y B Chavan - were alleged to be the CIA operative active during the 1971 war. However, all such charges lacked any substantiation because there was no confirmation whether or not such an operative ever existed. As such no constructive discussion on the issue ever took off. This has changed now given the unassailable evidence in the form of US records making it clear that the CIA had a “reliable” agent operating out of the Indian cabinet in 1971.

In declassified records the name of the operative has been censored because the CIA Director has “statutory obligations to protect from disclosure [the Agency's] intelligence sources.” Dhar writes: “Naming the Indian operative even after so many years will adversely impact the Indo-US relations, and hit the Agency’s prospects of recruiting new informants.”

However, he suggests that Indian government may have known the identity of the operative. “R&AW under the most capable R. N. Kao could not have missed the reference to the ’source close to Mrs. Gandhi’ and must have dug deeper,” he writes, adding that in 1972 Mrs. Gandhi herself charged that “she had information that the CIA had become active in India”.

More pertinently, Dhar quotes from the declassified record of a 5 October 1972 meeting between Indian Foreign Minister Swaran Singh and US Secretary of State William Rogers. During the meeting, Singh asserted that “CIA has been in contact with people in India in ‘abnormal ways.’” and that India had information that “proceedings of Congress Working Committee were known to US officials within two hours of meetings”.
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All these declassified documents of yesterday not only explains the current Indo-US relations up to an extent , but the main concern is that the confidence of general Indian public about the "Establishment" is hit and loosens up. We will look at our leaders with a sleuth's eye with complete mistrust and yet we accept them as our leaders. This kind of development in educated masses is dangerous for a growing nation.

We have to grow beyond funding US elections or dropping Kashmir from Holbrooke's portfolio.

slightly OT..I finished reading The conquest of Mind by Eknath Easwaran in which he beautifully explains how our mind is the remote control of our emotions and actions based on those emotions..and our aim is to take back the remote from the mind's influence...philosophy freaks will love this book...

Well in this case, D.C. has the remote, GoI is the TV and we are the public(victims)...was that a flop analogy? :oops:
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Publication of this Book and its so-called info on the CIA mole in cabinet,could be another warning to India not to interferre in Pak as it is in a trauma combating a virtual civil war within the country with the Taliban.The opportunity for "dismembering " Pak,or aiding sepoaratist movements there has come around again. Frankly,I do not believe that mrs.G. would've given up so easily even if the report is true.A few more days of fighting to capture some strategic posts in J&K would've been enough not to give Nxion a bayonet up his nether end.Mrts.G could've even delayd the capture of dacca by a few days while pursuing the pakis in the west to achieve the same purpose.Had she been that ruthless,the Simla agreement would never have taken place.Once again Indians must never forget who pak's giodfather is and who had always come running to Pak's aid when the country was on the point of collapse.The US.The double speak of the US with its "forked tongue" mentality has not ghanged an iota since Nixon and '71.The US is trying to dupe India in the region.

Meanwhwile the US's top spook gets exposed in NZ as he makes a secret vist there for talks on their secret communications network!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politic ... -uncovered
Top US spy's secret visit uncovered
By MARTIN KAY - The Dominion Post Last updated 05:00 10/07/2009SharePrint Text Size Relevant offers

PoliticsHospitality goes down a treat Key laughs off Niue aid swipe Blame the boogie on the sunshine Top US spy's secret visit uncovered Talks held on growth of Kiwibank NZ signs tax information deal with Cook Islands MPs eye interest rates China raised in aid dispute Goulden's late-night visit Pacific to get Tamiflu help Secrecy surrounding the clandestine visit of a top American spy was blown when the cavalcade taking him and his Kiwi counterpart to lunch dropped them off in front of a journalist.

Lieutenant General Keith Alexander, head of the United States National Security Agency, was in Wellington yesterday for talks with local intelligence and security officials a visit the Government and the US embassy hoped to keep under wraps.

But his cover was blown when the convoy of four Crown limousines carrying him and Government Communications Security Bureau head, Air Marshall Sir Bruce Ferguson, stopped outside the Reserve Bank Building.

The building houses the domestic and external security group among its many tenants and was also where a journalist from online news service Newsroom had agreed to meet a friend for lunch.

She recognised Air Marshall Ferguson and matched General Alexander's face to pictures on the NSA website.

A spokesman for Prime Minister John Key, who is on a tour of the South Pacific, said he was aware that General Alexander would be in town and it was usual for such visits to be kept secret. "We just don't comment on security issues."

A spokeswoman for the US embassy said General Alexander was here for talks with government officials but would not elaborate.

The NSA is responsible for electronic eavesdropping and protecting the US's security information systems. The GCSB runs electronic spy stations at Waihopai and Tangimoana, which feed into the US spy network known as Echelon.
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Good old FSB at it again. Love this cat and mouse stuff. When do we get to see "leaked" Paki diplomat videos(similar to the leaked Prachanda video which shut him up for good)?
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UK envoy quits after sex video surfaces on Net
Luke Harding, The Guardian:

A British diplomat in Russia has resigned after allegedly being filmed having sex with two prostitutes, in a classic sting operation apparently masterminded by the country’s security services.

A British diplomat in Russia has resigned after allegedly being filmed having sex with two prostitutes, in a classic sting operation apparently masterminded by the country’s security services.

James Hudson quit as deputy consul general in Yekaterinburg after the video — entitled Adventures of Mr Hudson in Russia — mysteriously surfaced on a local website.

The film, lasting four minutes and 18 seconds, appears to show Hudson entering a brothel.

He lies down on a sofa, opens a bottle of champagne and cavorts with two blonde women in their underwear. The video then shows him having sex with both women. As well as prostitutes, the website accused the 37-year-old diplomat of gambling and taking “light drugs” — hinting it had further damaging material.

The high quality of the video suggests that this was the work of professionals.The security services have a track record of such endeavours. British diplomats arriving in Russia are routinely briefed about the dangers of entrapment and told to avoid nightclubs and other compromising situations.
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