Indian Army Discussion

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Jul 2009 17:29

RayC wrote:Force Veterans Sulk

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090707/j ... 205121.jsp

Really sad divide and rule ploy. This is bound to raise the hackles in IA.

SanjibGhosh · Post by **SanjibGhosh** » 10 Jul 2009 09:28

India gets its Universal soldier

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/jul/10 ... -Delhi.htm

Army 2020
The Army has envisaged a concept called Future Infantry Soldier as Combat System that aims at enhancing the capability of infantry personnel by adding special gadgets to the uniform. The project, which is still at its concept stage, is expected to become a reality by 2020.

>>The uniform will have special gadgets which will help the soldier guide the fighter aircraft to the enemy target
>>Palm top data receivers attached to the uniform. The device will get charged from the uniform
>>Guns will be more lethal with under barrel rocket launchers
>>The clothing will be modified to act as an antiseptic adhesive to heal skin and bone injuries
>>Fireproof combat uniform to protect the soldier in the battlefield
>>Uniform will have special communication devices attached to it for better coordination between troops

??? !!!!

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 10 Jul 2009 10:42

Actor Mohanlal to become a Lt.Col (Hony.)
Mallu media (and others) are going ga-ga over Mohanlal getting commissioned as a Lt.Colonel. I have a few questions regarding this whole concept of Honorary Commissions.
1. What are the privileges which is accorded to a Hony. Lt. Colonel in Territorial Army? Lal has joined the TA.
2. Do they have such honorary rank system in the regular Indian Army? I know a provision for making JCOs an Hon.Lt. or Hon.Capt, but what about other senior ranks?
3. Is this rank purely a ceremonial one, in which the holder do not have any rights to command troops or take up tasks which is generally done by a Lt. Colonel?
4. Given that these Honorary Lt.Colonels have no clue about military affairs, can we assume that they are never involved in any operational aspects of the Army (TA or regular). Are they kind of "brand ambassadors", who may induce folks to join the forces?

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Jul 2009 11:54

Given that these Honorary Lt.Colonels have no clue about military affairs, can we assume that they are never involved in any operational aspects of the Army (TA or regular). Are they kind of "brand ambassadors", who may induce folks to join the forces?

Absolutely...

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 10 Jul 2009 12:45

Honestly, I wonder what this is all about.

Gimmicks!

AmitR · Post by **AmitR** » 10 Jul 2009 13:42

RayC wrote:Honestly, I wonder what this is all about.

Gimmicks!

Mohan Lal and Antony are both Malyalis. Antony like all the politicians wants some attention from his home state hence the useless gimmick. But Mohan Lal may actually create some awareness and enthusiasms amongst the Kerala kids which is good for India.

SivaVijay · Post by **SivaVijay** » 10 Jul 2009 13:55

SanjibGhosh wrote:India gets its Universal soldier

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/jul/10 ... -Delhi.htm

Army 2020
The Army has envisaged a concept called Future Infantry Soldier as Combat System that aims at enhancing the capability of infantry personnel by adding special gadgets to the uniform. The project, which is still at its concept stage, is expected to become a reality by 2020.

>>The uniform will have special gadgets which will help the soldier guide the fighter aircraft to the enemy target
>>Palm top data receivers attached to the uniform. The device will get charged from the uniform
>>Guns will be more lethal with under barrel rocket launchers
>>The clothing will be modified to act as an antiseptic adhesive to heal skin and bone injuries
>>Fireproof combat uniform to protect the soldier in the battlefield
>>Uniform will have special communication devices attached to it for better coordination between troops

??? !!!!

Few missed ones....
- Soldiers will have rocket backpacks which will help them go zoooooommmm....
- Food capsules with one capsule for rice one for dal and one for Roti
- And the combat uniform will be such that the bullet bounces of that and hits back at the shooter and kills him(technology invented by our own capt.Vijaykanth

)

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 10 Jul 2009 14:06

SivaVijay wrote:
Few missed ones....
- Soldiers will have rocket backpacks which will help them go zoooooommmm....
- Food capsules with one capsule for rice one for dal and one for Roti
- And the combat uniform will be such that the bullet bounces of that and hits back at the shooter and kills him(technology invented by our own capt.Vijaykanth )

You are insulting Captain

- Capt does not need rocket back-pack -- he will just tap his feet and he can jump and go zoom.. Gravity does not dare interfere with captain
- When on a mission Capt does not need food or water
- Bullets bounce even if Capt winks

at them..

Anabhaya · Post by **Anabhaya** » 10 Jul 2009 16:01

Honestly, I wonder what this is all about.

Gimmicks!

Honestly, Sir, whatever little the forces/MoD do for publicity is welcome.

Compared to the amount of marketing we see in other countries Indian forces are best described incompetent. Do take a look at how Sri Lankan forces/MOD carried out publicity/propaganda. Even at the height of Kargil Indian PR was at best very formal and dour. I'd rather not visit the official websites of the forces, such a pain on one's eyes!

The forces are simply unable to present themselves as a viable alternative career. Some of my friends only know about the existence of TA after they made Kapil a Hon. Officer.

Tiny Sri Lankan forces have aced Indian forces at PR.

PR is one area Indian forces are severly lacking. One doesn't expect Chinese style propaganda but the least one expects from such a huge organization is that their PR department earns their wages.

Not saying Mohanlal is going to change everything but atleast the TA is doing something!

Nalla Baalu · Post by **Nalla Baalu** » 10 Jul 2009 17:06

Oops! My bad onlee. Please disregard earlier response.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 10 Jul 2009 17:08

^^^ RayC's comment was about mohanlal, not F-INSAS.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 10 Jul 2009 17:44

If the Chief Gunner had more time to spend on making sure the damn 155 mm guns were ordered and started entering service- woule be a much bigger service than all this TA tamasha.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 10 Jul 2009 18:14

Surya wrote:If the Chief Gunner had more time to spend on making sure the damn 155 mm guns were ordered and started entering service- woule be a much bigger service than all this TA tamasha.

Surya, you do indulge in almost non stop baiting of the current chief, not to mention that some strange fondness for baiting IA as well.

What on gods name does pulling in Mohan Lal/Kapil Dev into TA (clearly as PR exercise for IA) have anything what so ever to do with 155 mm Guns???

This is a good step, and more such steps are needed. Time and again Indian establishment shows the lack of understanding of power of good PR.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 10 Jul 2009 19:21

For whaterver it is worth..

Indian Army bought chppers with technical flaws

Damn natashas,a army's love for phoren maall..

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 10 Jul 2009 19:23

CAG is (as usual) two years behind the times. these problems were solved long back and we have also seen army acknowledgement of the same.

kidoman · Post by **kidoman** » 10 Jul 2009 19:26

India to assemble Russian “flying tanks”

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09 July, 2009, 18:50

In July India is to begin assembly of Russia's main battle tank, the T-90. Up to now the country has bought only fully assembled tanks, but now it will build them with parts supplied by Russia.

The plan was announced at the Seventh International Exhibition of Arms, Military Equipment and Ammunition which is underway in the Urals.

Uralvagonzavod, based in Nizhny Tagil in the Sverdlovsk region, and Rosoboronexport, the state intermediary agency for export and import of military production, are going to start the serial assembly of T-90S tanks in India at the end of this month, said Plant Director General Oleg Siyenko.

“This is a long-term contract,” he said. “We will be supplying the tank sets in the period until 2015. Rosoboronexport and we plan to start the serial assembly of our products in India in late July. We will work on a full-scale maintenance center in India, as well.”

The T-90 is known as the “flying tank” for its maneuverability and speed.

The event showcases the most advanced weaponry on the market.

Another highlight at the show is the Tunguska-M1, a surface-to-air gun and missile system.

The organizers of the exhibition in Russia’s Nizhny Tagil also had other surprises in store. The Kord 12.7 6P50 heavy machine gun is a weapon that can be used against light armored vehicles. Known as “KORD,” the machine gun is manufactured by Degtyarev plant in different modifications.

This wonder of military engineering is capable of working in extreme conditions ranging from -50 to 50 Celsius. It is not afraid of mud or rain and, as developers say, a 12.7 mm gun can be very effective in combat.

“If, say, terrorists are hiding in a building, you don’t need tanks or anything. You just take this machine gun and destroy the building. You don’t risk the lives of soldiers,” said Roman Spirin, a designer at V.A. Degtyarev plant.

More than 400 companies and 44 foreign delegations are taking part in the exhibition, which also attracted thousands of spectators.

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 10 Jul 2009 19:55

Kranopol ammo for Army guns proved to be duds: CAG

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 10 Jul 2009 20:15

AmitR wrote:
RayC wrote:Honestly, I wonder what this is all about.

Gimmicks!
Mohan Lal and Antony are both Malyalis. Antony like all the politicians wants some attention from his home state hence the useless gimmick. But Mohan Lal may actually create some awareness and enthusiasms amongst the Kerala kids which is good for India.

Thats an unfair discredit to Antony.. On two counts :

1. Mohan Lan is not the first actor to get army rank.. Nana Patekar was made an honorary captain of the IA after he underwent a few weeks course in NDA for his role in Prahaar. (one of my fav Nana movies).

2. "Mohan Lal may actually create some awareness and enthusiasms amongst the Kerala kids " - is not the reason.. He already did..

Though I am not from Kerala , as i do watch a lot of tamil & mallu movies - I do keep track of mallu movies.. Mohan Lal did a very good job playing a the role of a Major attached to NSG in his film "KeerthiChakra".. Incidentally the movie was directed by Major Ravi - who is a retired army commando... and that explains the better & accurate portrayal of the army/commando operation in the movie (compared to other Indian movies). MohanLal followed it up with Lt.Col role in "Kurukshetra" directed by the same Maj.Ravi.. the success of both films & the very good portrayal of brave army officer by MohanLal definitely brought great awareness & enthusiasm in Kerala & TN youth about the army..

Apparently the roles and association with Major.Ravi inspired MohanLal and he applied for TA.. despite his age - he was inducted.. Though it might seem like a gimmick - I think, IA needs all the media savvy it can...

It is nothing compared to landing playmates on aircraft carriers or bunkers on Iraqi soil to "raise" morale of troops..

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Jul 2009 20:21

sunilUpa wrote:For whaterver it is worth..

Indian Army bought chppers with technical flaws

Damn natashas,a army's love for phoren maall..

These are ALH from HAL.

What has the Army or the natashas got to do with it?

The 40 indigenously-built advanced light helicopters (ALHs) the Indian Army has bought for Rs 1,747 crore (Rs 356 million) have a technical flaw that prevents them from flying to heights of 6,500 metres, thus affecting operational preparedness in high altitude areas like the Siachen glacier, India's audit watchdog says.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 10 Jul 2009 20:29

chetak wrote:

These are ALH from HAL.

What has the Army or the natashas got to do with it?

Errr You missed the 'wink' and sarcasm..

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Jul 2009 20:34

sunilUpa wrote:
chetak wrote:

These are ALH from HAL.

What has the Army or the natashas got to do with it?

Errr You missed the 'wink' and sarcasm..

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 10 Jul 2009 21:31

Sanku

It has no more or no less relevance than what Ray mentioned about JJ. (Which was absolutely correct) -

So I would prefer the Chief do less photo ops (leave it to Anthony ) and start making some public noises about our arty position.

Thats my opinion of what he needs to do for what I feel is a dangerous gap. You are free to disagree with it.

If a Gunner Chief cannot care enough - who will??

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 10 Jul 2009 22:40

Gunner Chief with a Gunner father in law.

Gunning all the way!

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 11 Jul 2009 00:34

kidoman wrote:India to assemble Russian “flying tanks”

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09 July, 2009, 18:50

This wonder of military engineering is capable of working in extreme conditions ranging from -50 to 50 Celsius. It is not afraid of mud or rain and, as developers say, a 12.7 mm gun can be very effective in combat.

Total Bunkum, Another Tall claim by manufacturer. Has any of Russian Equipment done anything in 50 celsius temprature and soft sands of Thar Desert. Last time I checked T90 was purchased to counter paki push in punjab plains.

“If, say, terrorists are hiding in a building, you don’t need tanks or anything. You just take this machine gun and destroy the building. You don’t risk the lives of soldiers,” said Roman Spirin, a designer at V.A. Degtyarev plant.

This may work in Russia and any nation that cares about their citizens, not in 'Mera Bharat Mahan', where in moment of national crisis Human Rights Groups, Johlawala, Andhi's, commie, con-grease will come out of woodwork saying excessive force used against people of peace loving community.

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 11 Jul 2009 00:54

Baljeet wrote:
kidoman wrote: This wonder of military engineering is capable of working in extreme conditions ranging from -50 to 50 Celsius. It is not afraid of mud or rain and, as developers say, a 12.7 mm gun can be very effective in combat.
Total Bunkum, Another Tall claim by manufacturer. Has any of Russian Equipment done anything in 50 celsius temprature and soft sands of Thar Desert. Last time I checked T90 was purchased to counter paki push in punjab plains.

its 50 deg internal temperature... the external at that point will be 30 deg C....

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 11 Jul 2009 03:46

Art of waging war in golf cart - Report finds dud ammo and inadequate equipment in army’s shopping bag

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Some of its commanders have tried to hoodwink the government after new financial powers were vested in them and sought to pass off a purchase of golf carts as “recce vehicles” for its engineer regiments.

The stretchers bought by the Northern Command, which oversees Jammu and Kashmir, do not have a provision to hold intravenous fluid bottles, cannot be converted into field hospital beds and are not wheeled. The command bought the stretchers despite being told that these did not meet the requirements of the army.

The stretchers the army’s most active command has bought can result in casualties getting killed before they are transferred to hospital.
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The army’s Advanced Light Helicopter, Dhruv, flies up to a maximum height of 5,000m. The requirement was that it should fly up to at least 6,500m to service soldiers posted in high altitudes such as in the Siachen Glacier and in Arunachal Pradesh.

Krasnopol ammunition used for the army’s heavy artillery 155mm Howitzer Bofors guns was urgently bought in 1999, the year of the Kargil war, from Russian firm KBP Tula. Another 1,000 rounds were delivered in 2000.

The ammunition was expected to have a shelf life of 15 years. But during trials in 2006 all six rounds “fired blind”. Yet, the army placed orders with the same firm again, this time for 2,000 rounds. In 2003, during test-firing of the ammunition in a high-altitude area, five rounds were fired. None hit the target.

The army now has 3,000 rounds of worthless Krasnopol — duds.
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Again, the army commander, Western Command, in March 2008, sanctioned the purchase of 22 track alignment reconnaissance vehicles for Rs 1.01 crore under the army commander’s special financial powers. At the time, Lieutenant General Tej Sapru was the western commander.

The recce vehicles were ostensibly for use by the regiments of army engineers. The command bought the vehicles — named Club Car — from a sports goods dealer. They were again issued to Shivalik Environmental Park and Training Area, the new name of the Shivalik Golf Course.

The nine engineer regiments to which the Club Cars were issued were responsible for the upkeep of the Shivalik park and golf courses.
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VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 12 Jul 2009 01:11

Army Court Martial orders dismissal of lady officer

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 13 Jul 2009 12:23

Army working to fill vacancies in AFT

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 13 Jul 2009 13:03

VinodTK wrote:Army Court Martial orders dismissal of lady officer

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 13 Jul 2009 13:18

RayC wrote:
VinodTK wrote:Army Court Martial orders dismissal of lady officer
Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Ishhhhh.. hush...

Teestha, Dhoti roy, Shorba Dey will be on your back barking..

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 14 Jul 2009 01:29

Pradeep Kumar to be Defence Secretary

Mr. Kumar is a graduate in Electrical Engineering from the Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi, and Masters in Economic and Social Studies from the University of Wales, United Kingdom.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 14 Jul 2009 03:34

Army doc was also legal brain of AFMS

Colonel S M Perumal, who was killed in an IED blast by suspected National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB) militants near Tezpur on Monday morning, was not only a highly regarded doctor but also the legal brain of the Armed Forces Medical Services (AFMS).

The physician, who had reached Tezpur on Sunday after attending a medical seminar in Bangalore and was driving to his unit located in Arunachal Pradesh when his vehicle was targeted, was also a trained lawyer and handling most legal cases related to the AFMS.
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Before his assignment in Arunachal Pradesh, the officer was posted at the Chennai Military Hospital where he set up a partnership between the AFMS and one of India’s leading eye hospitals, the Sankara Nethralaya.

“The tie-up with the Sankara Nethralaya was highly beneficial for the armed services given the high number of accidents involving the eye. Several armed forces personnel and their dependants were treated free of cost as a result of the partnership,” a senior officer said.

Col Perumal is the highest ranking medical officer of the armed forces who has died in a militant attack in recent times.
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RIP Dr Perumal! Thank you for your service to the nation

Colonel killed in IED attack

The Commanding Officer of the 405 Field Ambulance Unit based at Tenga in Arunachal Pradesh, Colonel S M Perumal, was killed along with his driver, Naik Ashwini Kumar, when a powerful explosion tore apart the vehicle in which they were travelling on Monday. The incident occurred around 5.15 am, close to Bhalukpong on the Assam-Arunachal Pradesh border, about 50 km from the Army’s Four Corps Headquarters at Tezpur. Perumal was a doctor by qualification.
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Sources expressed surprise over the Colonel’s decision to take the Tezpur-Tawang road ahead of sanitisation by a road opening party, which is the norm, especially on the stretch between Rangapara and Bhalukpong. The road is regularly checked between 5.30 am and 6.30 am every day.
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Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Jul 2009 04:43

Denied UN stint, soldiers sue Army

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 14 Jul 2009 08:09

Now this kicks A%%. Even jawans want their fair share in the loot. I wonder if there is any hope for this nation. Time to apply for Green Card, White Card, Residency papers.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 14 Jul 2009 11:30

Nothing unusual.

It had to happen.

This is when you have a egalitarian, socialist, 'friendly' Army actively assisted by the Govt to subvert it!

And to imagine, they want a second UN tenure!

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 14 Jul 2009 11:45

RayC wrote:This is when you have a egalitarian, socialist, 'friendly' Army actively assisted by the Govt to subvert it!
And to imagine, they want a second UN tenure!

The news paper report mentions (IIRC) that there is a new GoI order which prohibits the same soldiers going for a second tenure in UN posting. BTW, I am really surprised that uniformed soldiers can now take any case to the courts, against the decision taken by their superior officers

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RayC · Post by **RayC** » 14 Jul 2009 11:50

Sachin,

It is no longer the army you saw!

SivaVijay · Post by **SivaVijay** » 14 Jul 2009 12:24

It is a sad development, an army is no democracy it is a hierarchial system. Courts should not entertain these behaviour and should see the uniqueness of a military establishment as apart from the general society.
That said it is the lack of strong top brass in the army that is failing to keep these influences from babudom/netas in the army in check which allows them to sow dissent among army ranks. We need another Sam who can put this babus and netas in place..

SivaVijay · Post by **SivaVijay** » 14 Jul 2009 12:41

RayC Sir,

How does the army justice system works? is there a mil legal body like the Judge advocate generals corps in the US army, or we have someother system. Is the anything like the IPC that is followed... Thank you in advance....

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 14 Jul 2009 12:42

or is it like something shown in "Shourya" movie?