Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 11:31

Punjab Govt. withdraws its case against Hafeez Saeed from Pak Supreme Court

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 14 Jul 2009 11:42

Hafeez Saeed is a big fish. The pakistanis don't have the cojones to convict him. Why they have not have the balls to convict a whole load of lesser mortals than this turd.
This inability to not convict these terrorists is not merely because these guys are useful to them against India, or even that they are fully supported by the ISI and the Pak Army. It is even deeper, who will bell the cat?
No one is going to convict these guys unless he / she has the express permission of the army for going ahead, and has the protection to do so.

This clearly shows that these terrorists have now acquired a life of their own, where the Army also desists from irritating them openly. IOW this is merely a sign of impending doom that pakistan is staring at.

For their part, if the pak army doesn't like somebody, they will simply IED Mubarak him / her - no nautanki, no court-shourt business.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 14 Jul 2009 12:17

IMF doubts Pakistani budget estimates

The International Monetary Fund has reportedly raised objections over the health of budgetary estimates, including expenditures and revenue collection figures worked out by the economic team of the PPP-led coalition government.

‘The Federal Board of Revenue target is overstated and current expenditures have been under-estimated while making projections for the year 2009-10,’ an official in the finance ministry told Dawn on condition of anonymity.

‘The collection target for the current fiscal year was projected at Rs1,380 billion, which was also tagged as over-ambitious,’ said the source.

The IMF informed the ministry of finance that the budget deficit for the next year would be in the range of 5.5 to six per cent instead of projected 4.9 per cent on the basis of measures taken in the budget.
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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... es--il--06

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Jul 2009 12:42

The IMF will do well to keep a close watch on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

When it comes to “misreporting” data to the IMF the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a history sheeter. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan "misreported" fiscal data between 1997 and 1999 to the IMF:

IMF Executive Board Reviews Pakistan Misreporting, Remedial Steps

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 12:57

p_saggu wrote:Hafeez Saeed is a big fish. The pakistanis don't have the cojones to convict him. Why they have not have the balls to convict a whole load of lesser mortals than this turd.
This inability to not convict these terrorists is not merely because these guys are useful to them against India, or even that they are fully supported by the ISI and the Pak Army. It is even deeper, who will bell the cat?
No one is going to convict these guys unless he / she has the express permission of the army for going ahead, and has the protection to do so.

That's why there is no point in talking to Zardari & Gilani because they cannot promise anything to MMS and even if they did they don't have the mandate to keep their promise. It wil all be Taqiyya.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 13:00

13 Al Qaeda terrorists arrested near Quetta

Security agencies arrested on Monday at least 13 suspected Al Qaeda militants from a place near Dera Murad Jamali.

Security personnel intercepted a bus going to Multan from Quetta after receiving information about the movement of militants and found three Turks, two Saudis, two Kuwaitis and five Afghan nationals and a Pakistani in the vehicle.

The suspects were carrying five suicide vests and an 11-kilogramme bomb in their baggage.

They were also carrying currency notes of 4,240 US dollars, 694,000 Pakistani rupees, 50,000 Iranian tumans and more than 100,000 Afghanis.

Some documents were also seized. Security officials did not announce the names of the arrested Al Qaeda suspects.

‘They were going to Multan for carrying out suicide attacks in southern Punjab,’ sources said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 13:03

More confirmation Maulvi Nazeer is not siding with GoP in South Waziristan

A militant leader in South Waziristan, who is said to be in the good books of the government, said on Monday that the peace agreement in the agency had been ‘ineffective.’

Abdul Haq, a spokesman for Maulvi Nazir said that security forces were attacking the Taliban despite the fact that they had ‘maintained peace in the agency during the past two years.’

‘We think the peace deal has lost its validity and we hold the government responsible for this,’ he said.

Maulvi Nazir was included in the government’s list of ‘good Taliban’ after he expelled Uzbek militants from the Ahmadzai Wazir area in 2007.

Security forces and militants clashed near Wana after a security post was attacked on Sunday night. Local people said that the clash continued till Monday noon.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 14:50

Pak Foreign Minister on the Indo-Pak talks

The Foreign Office spokesman said the water conflict between the two countries is of serious nature for Pakistan.

If the issues between the two countries are not resolved, then Pakistan can resort to world powers for mediation.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Jul 2009 14:59

Deadly Pakistan clashes, NATO tanker ambushed: officials

KHAR, Pakistan (AFP) — Fighting in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt killed at least 23 Taliban militants and destroyed an oil tanker supplying NATO forces posted across the border in Afghanistan, according to officials.
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The attack took place near the town of Landi Kotal on the main highway which links Pakistan to landlocked Afghanistan.

"Militants first fired a mortar on the oil tanker and then set it on fire. Meanwhile a gunfight broke out with paramilitary troops which left two civilians dead and three others wounded," Khattak said.
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arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Jul 2009 15:37

SSridhar wrote:Pak Foreign Minister on the Indo-Pak talks

The Foreign Office spokesman said the water conflict between the two countries is of serious nature for Pakistan.

If the issues between the two countries are not resolved, then Pakistan can resort to world powers for mediation.

Ashura seems to have come early to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Both “official” and “non official” Pakistan have fluid on the brain and whips themselves into a frenzy over water today:

Water theft by India pose an existential threat to Pakistan

Delhi out to divert water flow of rivers

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 14 Jul 2009 15:40

jamwal wrote:

Download full video from here

http://fileuploading.net/832788

On YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0cjJGI__gU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1CyhgZJO3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX3i-ZKv82I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs9-YX_i244

Please suggest some lines for video description, title etc.

Thanks for uploading the file on fileuploading.net
I suggest for the title , you could add the name similar as the thread on Baluchistan , that is : Baluchistan: A Discussion on yet Another Pakistan Military Genocide. In the description, the various baluch sites can be given such as balochwarna.org

The host got a reality check when the Baluch student said " Baluchistan ki civilisation toh 7000 saal purani hai, Pakistan to saath saal ka hee hai " And when she asked the invited panel, how many of you condemn the attacks on Punjab by BLA etc, only three of them raised their hands. Funny how she kept taking breaks. Tell a Pakistani a truth and s/he runs away to make peace and comes back later to stab you in the back.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 14 Jul 2009 16:44

Jamwalji. Thanks for that Video. One minor correction: There are 2 'Independence movements of Baluchistan 3"

Another thing one can notice: These guys and girls don't really think/ behave/ speak like Pakis do. They are no Pakistani. They indeed are suffering. You can see the pain. This should go right in the front for people to see. If anyone can dub it in English with American/ British accents, get this dubbed: And spread around liberal elites in the US/ Europe/ Japan..this is genocide. India must offer Moral and Diplomatic support to the oppresssed people of this Nation. We need UN watchdogs monitoringg he situation there. And yes a plebiscite too. The people must have a voice. India must voice concern.

My apologies to the brave, soft spoken people of Balucistan that i unknowingly equated you to the Paki's.

Duangkomon · Post by **Duangkomon** » 14 Jul 2009 17:28

Jamwal, number the videos properly man. You've got the fourth video numbered as no 3 again. It's got the best part where the female Baloch student calls out Naseem's hypocrisy when it comes to her apathy towards atrocities committed on Balochis compared to her reaction on Kashmir.
Also put all the details Tilak has given including the program name: Policy Matters, host: Naseem Zehra, Broadcast date and all the tags mentioned in Tilak's post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 17:39

The Pakhtun Conundrum

There are, therefore, four features of the Pakhtun conundrum that need to be addressed in order to bring peace to this area. The first is to recognise that there are many genuine grievances felt by this community concerning the way power has been apportioned by the Karzai regime among different segments of the Afghan society. Second, Pakistan has to show resolve that it will not allow those now generally referred to as stateless actors to pursue their own agendas against the country’s neighbours. Third, it also needs to make sure that the law of the land is respected by all segments of society. This means that the country will not allow itself to be fragmented to accommodate those not happy with the current political and legal orders.

Finally, there must be a clear understanding with India on what are its legitimate interests in Afghanistan. Pakistan has to recognise that India is a regional power with regional interests. At the same time India has to pay heed to Pakistan’s security interests.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Jul 2009 18:21

Breaking news on TV channels, Pak turns around and blames India for falsely blaming Pakistan for all its ills where in reality all the problems are because of various Indian bunglings within and outside the country.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jul 2009 18:32

p_saggu wrote: ...
This clearly shows that these terrorists have now acquired a life of their own, where the Army also desists from irritating them openly. IOW this is merely a sign of impending doom that pakistan is staring at.

For their part, if the pak army doesn't like somebody, they will simply IED Mubarak him / her - no nautanki, no court-shourt business.

That, IMO, should be the modus-operandi for India in AfPak area. The piss process, going thru gilani-zardari will not yield any tangible results.

Oops... Didn't see Ssridharji's comment

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 14 Jul 2009 18:34

'India should clinch Hafiz Saeed issue before talks with Pak'

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jul 2009 22:19

SSridhar wrote:The Pakhtun Conundrum
There are, therefore, four features of the Pakhtun conundrum that need to be addressed in order to bring peace to this area. The first is to recognise that there are many genuine grievances felt by this community concerning the way power has been apportioned by the Karzai regime among different segments of the Afghan society. Second, Pakistan has to show resolve that it will not allow those now generally referred to as stateless actors to pursue their own agendas against the country’s neighbours. Third, it also needs to make sure that the law of the land is respected by all segments of society. This means that the country will not allow itself to be fragmented to accommodate those not happy with the current political and legal orders.

Finally, there must be a clear understanding with India on what are its legitimate interests in Afghanistan. Pakistan has to recognise that India is a regional power with regional interests. At the same time India has to pay heed to Pakistan’s security interests.

I would like a discussion on the above two bolded sentences.

1) What are the

many genuine grievances felt by this community concerning the way power has been apportioned by the Karzai regime among different segments of the Afghan society

Is the old Ghilzai-Durrani split that is being talked about as a grievance? Is it that Karzai has not accomodated the 'others'? After 2001, the old grievance was that even though it was the NA that fought the Taliban and defeated them with US help, the US was forced to prop up a Pashtun leader to keep the tribes happy? Isnt that enough?

2) What are

Pakistan’s security interests

that India has to recognize?

Does this Paki want India to recognize the Durand Line in order to keep TSP together?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 14 Jul 2009 22:43

arun wrote:Both “official” and “non official” Pakistan have fluid on the brain and whips themselves into a frenzy over water today:
Water theft by India pose an existential threat to Pakistan
Delhi out to divert water flow of rivers

This is the Paki diplomat-retards thinking that they could rake up their own "issue" to do a equal-equal on terrorism. Now that no less than jihadi Rehman Malik has accepted that Paki nationals were involved in Mumbai attacks (and a newspaper expressing shock and awe in the editorial) that Pakistan has enough "evidence" to file chargesheets, Pakis need a "issue" against India. Hence this water issue.

One more interesting thing is that if the water issue, just like the jihadis, if not directed outwards, it will do great harm inside. For example, if all of Paki complaints vis-a-vis water is solved, the Sindh and Punjab will pick up a fight. Just like if the Jihadis cant travel to A'stan/Cashmere they would want to set up shararat in NWFP

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Jul 2009 23:38

Punjab claims to have ‘confidential evidence’ against Hafiz Saeed

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 14 Jul 2009 23:53

Pakistan-origin German jailed for eight years (Dawn)

...for helping to fund and supply Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s northwest frontier region.

The 47-year-old, identified only as Aleem N., was arrested in February 2008 and charged with giving 27,000 euros (38,000 dollars) as well as materials, including night-vision equipment, to the group.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 14 Jul 2009 23:55

ICC agrees new 2011 World Cup schedule (AFP)

World Cup 2011 organisers on Tuesday handed out Pakistan's share of the tournament schedule with the 14 matches originally set for the troubled nation split between India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

Now 29 of the 49 games will be played in India, including eight which were set for Pakistan, 12 will be in Sri Lanka (including four from Pakistan) and eight in Bangladesh (two moved from Pakistan).

A total of 13 venues will be used with eight in India, three in Sri Lanka and two in Bangladesh.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 14 Jul 2009 23:58

Pakistan: Offensive e-mail, SMS punishable (Gulf News)

Dubai: Sending indecent and provocative emails or SMS is now a punishable offence in Pakistan and violators can be jailed up to 14 years under the Cyber Crime Act, Gulf News has learnt.

Overseas Pakistanis will also face charged and will be liable to deportation to Pakistan in case of violation of the new law, according to a senior official in the Ministry of Interior of Pakistan.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Jul 2009 00:00

Anujan wrote:
arun wrote:Both “official” and “non official” Pakistan have fluid on the brain and whips themselves into a frenzy over water today:
Water theft by India pose an existential threat to Pakistan
Delhi out to divert water flow of rivers
This is the Paki diplomat-retards thinking that they could rake up their own "issue" to do a equal-equal on terrorism. Now that no less than jihadi Rehman Malik has accepted that Paki nationals were involved in Mumbai attacks (and a newspaper expressing shock and awe in the editorial) that Pakistan has enough "evidence" to file chargesheets, Pakis need a "issue" against India. Hence this water issue.

One more interesting thing is that if the water issue, just like the jihadis, if not directed outwards, it will do great harm inside. For example, if all of Paki complaints vis-a-vis water is solved, the Sindh and Punjab will pick up a fight. Just like if the Jihadis cant travel to A'stan/Cashmere they would want to set up shararat in NWFP

Very true sir.

They desperately want talks so that they can then have a very public and high profile disagreement with India and blame India for "stealin their water".

The pakjabis are the actual thieves who have stolen and diverted water from every other province in porkiland.

They need to blame India for their water management mess as usual and the slowly increasing tempo of "stealing water" articles in the porki press is a pointer that they are racheting up the tension.

It will soon become a full blown crisis with the looming poor monsoon. They urgently need a major occasion to divert the attention of their hopeless populace.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 15 Jul 2009 00:03

bart wrote:
Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan 'fatwa' on power thieves (BBC)
So theft of items other than electricity is not necessarily a sin?... Most religions simply say that theft is wrong.

Since there is no Pakistani fatwa (yet) on theft of water, India cannot be in violation of the IWT per Sharia law. We kafirs are square will allah on the issue. Bismillah.

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 15 Jul 2009 02:18

Pakistan Requests $4 Billion More IMF Aid, Tarin Says

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Jul 2009 02:44

arun wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Pak Foreign Minister on the Indo-Pak talks

Ashura seems to have come early to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Both “official” and “non official” Pakistan have fluid on the brain and whips themselves into a frenzy over water today:

Water theft by India pose an existential threat to Pakistan

Delhi out to divert water flow of rivers

Pakis forgot to add that it is India that is responsible for the sun rising from the South? AoA.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 15 Jul 2009 04:11

Bhima wrote:Pakistan Requests $4 Billion More IMF Aid, Tarin Says

So pukes are out to bankrupt IMF.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 15 Jul 2009 06:00

The Kargil debacle - Pakistani Point of View
I am not sure if this 'Brig (Retd) Muhammad Nazir' has anything personal against Gen (R) Musharraf. An interesting article

The debacle
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The Indians despite regaining the heights, held a Kargil Commission to probe the causes of their intelligence failure regarding the alleged undetected occupation of Kargil Heights by the Pakistani troops and took a number of corrective measures to plug the loopholes. These are indeed the ways of progressive nations who take stock of their affairs and learn from their mistakes.
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To assume exclusive authority and control over the conception, timing of initiation and conduct of a conflict which involves the destiny of a Nation, by a few in uniform is a highly misplaced initiative bearing no, legal, moral or professional authority and definitely calls for an exhaustive probe.
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It does present a sad story, incompetence and apathy on the part of higher command which subjected our troops to serious odds and unfavourable battlefield environment.
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The nation and history shall never forgive Musharraf for conducting an ill-conceived operation, abrogating the constitution and usurping the fundamental rights of the 160 million Pakistanis. He should be tried for high treason so that no one ever indulges in such a heinous crime against the country

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... he-debacle

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Jul 2009 06:09

Bhima wrote:Pakistan Requests $4 Billion More IMF Aid, Tarin Says

Pakistan is requesting additional aid as the war against the Taliban costs the government $8.5 billion a year, Tarin said.

The same Taliban that the Pakistanis and the US created!!

8.5 Billion US Dollars.

A year.

And, the Pakis are asking for just $ 4.0 billion.

Rich country with rich friends. Talk of funds only in billions of US dollars.

10%.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 15 Jul 2009 06:56

Shrill writes an article on the dozens of muslim women honor killed..

oh..wait..

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=188049

Are Muslims Europe's new Jews?
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Shireen M Mazari

In Europe the façade of tolerance and secular "liberalism" is so well maintained it is easy to be fooled into believing this is the reality. In fact there is an insidious social compact between the media, ruling elites and the white Christian majority to sustain this façade at all times. That is why the murder of Marwa el-Sherbini, the Egyptian Muslim lady in Dresden, Germany – simply because she wore a hijab – barely found a mention in the European press and the US media saw no reason to create a fuss. Of course had it been the murder of a Jewish lady specifically for displaying her cultural/religious Jewishness, the western media would have gone to town crying foul and the German government would have been put fairly and squarely in the dock.

The murder came shortly after French President Sarkozy gave his "secular" fatwa against the burqa and it seems that now there is open season on hijab-wearing Muslims in some parts of Europe – those parts that ironically see themselves as being more tolerant and "liberal". In fact European secular "liberalism" is being defined increasingly in terms of non-acceptance of the new multi-religious and multi-ethnic Europeans by the old white Christian Europeans. When European leaders display this characteristic in public statements, it gives leeway to the racist bigotry that still pervades in Europe – only now the Muslims have replaced the Jews as the bête noirs.

In fact the case of Marwa el-Sherbini is frightening because her only "crime" was that she wore the hijab. A year before her murder, a 28 year old man of Russian origin had insulted her by calling her a "terrorist" and "Islamist whore" for wearing a hijab when she asked him to let her son sit on a swing. At the time the man had been found guilty of abusing and insulting Marwa and had been fined 780 Euros. But he had appealed which is why the parties were all present in a Dresden court room when the gruesome murder took place in full view of Marwa's husband and her three-year old son Mustafa. As Marwa, pregnant, was in the dock recalling the incident, the accused walked across the courtroom and plunged a knife into her 18 times. What is even more horrific is that as her husband, Elvi Ali Okaz, ran to save her he, too, was brought down, shot by a police officer who declared that he mistook him for the attacker. Can anything be more ridiculous? Two serious issues arise: One, why was a man known to be violently disposed towards Ms Marwa Sherbini allowed to walk into the courtroom with a lethal knife? Two, how could the policeman have mistaken her husband for the attacker when he moved much later and separately – or was the attacker not taken into custody when he had begun his attacks? Why was he allowed to stab Marwa 18 times? Where was the same policeman and why did he not shoot at the accused when he was stabbing the lady?

Whichever way one looks at it, the acceptable racism cannot be denied – both at the official and unofficial levels. The German government's only reaction was to sweep it all under the carpet. There was a shameful silence on the part of all the "liberals" and human rights activists who are so ready to condemn the misdeeds of Muslim extremists anywhere in the world. Ironically, apart from the Central Council of Muslims' leadership, it was the Central Council of Jews General Secretary, Stephan Kramer who decried the "inexplicably sparse" reaction of the media and German politicians. After all, the Jews of Europe know only too well that it begins with one incidence after another and, if one remains silent, the victimisation becomes collective.

Does that not make one wonder if Muslim women in hijab are now going to be targeted with impunity by extremists, racists and others of the lunatic fringe in Europe? Why has the EU leadership not condemned this act of religious hatred? Is Marwa el Sherbini going to be the first of many headscarf martyrs – as her native Egyptian media is calling her – of Europe, especially in the wake of the Sarkozy statement? It would be a pity if the grand tradition of French freedom and equality is reduced to a superficiality covering an underlying intolerance towards cultural and religious diversity.

Perhaps the most shameful has been the reaction of the Muslim World including Pakistan. Why have we seen no official condemnation when we see the EU leaders and their media waste no time in issuing condemnatory statements whenever any incident of a crime against women or religious minorities occurs in Pakistan? It is good that they seek to act as our conscience on these occasions, but there has to be reciprocity and we should not shy away from acting as their conscience when they lose their way or shy away from exposing such crimes! Interestingly, there was a very high-powered electronic media delegation that had gone on the German government's invitation to Berlin around this time. So why was this issue not raised? In fact, as a protest the delegation should have given up this summer freebie or at least have given the case due publicity at home. When we can – and rightly so – take strong issue with the flogging of women by the Taliban, can we not also condemn the equally vile act of murder committed by a secular or Christian extremist? Or does a crime against a woman in hijab or against the "Taliban" not move our public in quite the same way – especially our elite?

After all look at our silence on the mass murder of Taliban prisoners by that murderous warlord Rashid Dostum – and ally of the US after 9/11. Even President Obama is hesitant to take too strong a stand in this issue and we seem to be least bothered to raise it widely in our media. Why? Are we now accepting the double standards and hypocrisy of the west in terms of human rights – so that the killing of certain types of Muslims is more acceptable outside of the bounds of law?

As long as we remain selective about condemning violence and crimes against women, whomsoever they are and wherever they are, we will have little credibility to our protest. After all, the crimes of the Baloch sardars in burying women alive, or the Tumandars of southern Punjab cutting off the noses of women or the Sindhi feudals setting dogs on women to kill them are as horrific as the Taliban crimes against women – and they happen with as regular a frequency. And now this new wave of crimes against our Muslim sisters in Europe simply because they choose to wear hijab is no less despicable. So where are our voices now?

Of course, in terms of our leadership, one has no expectations given the bizarre statements coming from that quarter whether it is relating to the US in Afghanistan – "what the US does in Afghanistan is its own business, it is a sovereign state", implying that the US can continue to wreak havoc on Pakistan through Afghanistan – or the rise of the Taliban. Apart from being hazy on the facts, no leader makes admissions of past covert policies whatever they may have been – especially when his Party was so deeply involved in these policies, as General Babar had once admitted! If nothing else, the many Yanks he deals with should at least tell him how the US to date has never even admitted to any CIA killings, let alone so many other covert deeds of horror at the level of the Presidency!

This is not to say that we should not recognise our mistakes and learn from them rather than repeating them over and over again. But our leaders do not have to make it a habit to go through a full confessional especially when being interviewed by the foreign media. One can alter direction without yelling and screaming just to prove one's loyalty to, at best, a dubious foreign ally.

But looking beyond our hapless leadership and before we become the next victims of European history, the nation should ask why it continues to be part of an apathetic Muslim Ummah?

The writer is a defence analyst. Email: [email protected]

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 07:45

The taller-than-the-tallest-mountain and deeper-than-the deepest-ocean friend is not amused

On Tuesday, the Chinese government “strongly urged” countries in South and Central Asia to step up efforts to clamp down on terror groups operating in the region. China said “some countries had supported and indulged” activities by extremist groups, without directly naming the countries.

Last week, Chinese officials “briefed” their Pakistani counterparts about the unrest in Xinjiang, reportedly expressing concern that Uighur groups based in Pakistan had a role in the unrest. Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang on Tuesday said Pakistan and China had “stayed in close communication” following the unrest on July 5. “Regional countries like China and Pakistan should enhance cooperation in combating the Three Forces [separatism, terrorism and extremism] and jointly safeguard peace and tranquillity,” he said.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 15 Jul 2009 08:39

Err,
Wouldn't it be sad, if the weapons intended for the Maoists and the Northeastern terror groups in India ended up with the Uighur separatists in Xinjiang?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 15 Jul 2009 08:42

Are Muslims Europe's new Jews?
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Shireen M Mazari

Indeed Europe, USA and India are all not secular countries. They are always against the Ummah....

Oh, let us not go anywhere near the KSA which is the most secular country, you see, all Islamic countries are very secular, if they allow minorities to survive in these countries then they would have had their rights, it is not the mistake of the Islamic countries that there are not many minorities in them...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 09:08

terror's Free Run in South Punjab - Editorial in DT

Apparently, Seraikistan is becoming another FATA with a non-existent writ of the State.

Mian Channu in Khanewal offered on Monday another glimpse into the outreach of terrorism in South Punjab. The house of a local teacher of the Quran blew up, destroying all the houses in the vicinity and killing 12, including five children, and wounding 61. When the police reached the spot the local people attacked them out of anger for having neglected them, but not without displaying all the symptoms of a besieged population acting under intimidation.

Massive quantities of weapons discovered from the house of the teacher Riaz Kamboh — explosives, suicide jackets, rockets, etc — clearly indicate that the man was involved in terrorism and was probably a part of the plan for future terrorist activities targeting Punjab. Local witnesses said the man was involved in suspicious activities, that strange vehicles used to be parked in front of his house, and that he used to receive non-local guests. The local DPO said Riaz and his brother both used to indulge in unlawful activities but the administration had treated then leniently. Riaz was also an Afghan war veteran and had taken training in Afghanistan. All this was known.

This requires comparative analysis. The terrorist did not set up a madrassa but a school where pre-teen boys and girls were being taught the Quran by him. It is to be noted that the local people agreed to send their children to his school while knowing that the man was involved in suspect activities and that he and his brother had indulged in crime in the city. This is a behaviour syndrome also seen in Swat: intimidation not only deters reaction but elicits support as it “empowers” local people while the administration doesn’t. Seeing the people on the side of the terrorist, the police looked the other way and let him and his brother off the hook.

At one level, Riaz Kamboh disarmed suspicion by not opening a madrassa; at another level, he took advantage of the people’s submission to him and the consequent immunity given him by the local police. The attack by the citizens of Mian Channu on the police emanates from two kinds of anger, including one relating to their support of Kamboh “because the administration was weaker than the man”. This is what is happening all across the region of South Punjab where the writ of the province runs particularly thin. (And Punjab is the best province in terms of administrative writ.) The recently raised slogan of “Seraiki Province” in South Punjab is being championed by politicians with a significant slant: they want a separate province, not to eliminate terrorism from it, but to give it “development”. This needs some discussion.

Mr Muhammad Ali Durrani who has revived the movement for a Seraiki province has carefully stayed away from the issue of terrorism. In fact he has taken great pains to assert that there was no terrorism in South Punjab. Why has he said this in the face of all the evidence to the contrary? Yet he is not alone in the region to say this. Many local politicians refuse to acknowledge the truth. {The whole of Pakistan believes that terrorist attacks in India are not from Pakistan. They also believe that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy, that there is no Al Qaeda in Pakistan, the problems in Pakistan are India's making etc.} The reason is clear to see: intimidation from the extraordinary dominance of the terrorist organisations there and the secret desire to seek “empowerment” by not talking against them. It is difficult to accept that Mr Durrani is ignorant of the extent of penetration of the Al Qaeda and Taliban among the local extremists who were once used by the state in covert wars.

The truth is that no Seraiki province movement will succeed unless it is endorsed by the terrorist organisation whose biggest leader {JeM's chief Masood Azhar} is still ensconced in Bahawalpur city beyond Farid Gate and unapproachable unless you cross three security pickets. Official statements about him have varied in content: his whereabouts are not known, he is not in Pakistan and, according to newspapers, has made his way to North Waziristan. But the local rumour is that he still runs a training camp of “non-state actors” in Cholistan. The disease is now quite familiar. Its first symptoms occurred in Swat. It is now erupting in South Punjab. We are forewarned.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 09:14

p_saggu wrote:Err,
Wouldn't it be sad, if the weapons intended for the Maoists and the Northeastern terror groups in India ended up with the Uighur separatists in Xinjiang?

p_saggu, Pakistan operates at two levels.

At one level, the major enemy is India and so India must be destroyed on a priority basis. Those operating at this level will ensure that the Maoists, NE militants and sleeper cells are not starved of whatever they want. There will be no curtailment in the flow of funds, RDX, motivation etc.

At another level, there is a worldwide ambition which will take care of Uighur. The India-centric wing has the wherewithal, if push comes to shove from the Chinese friends, to take some serious action against the support for the Uighurs. Musharraf did that to a large extent.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 09:21

Yogi_G wrote:Oh, let us not go anywhere near the KSA which is the most secular country, ...

It is OT here but I will stop with this post. A decade or so back, the US did say that. On being questioned about lack of religious freedom, it was stated that people could follow their religion within their homes and there was no restriction !

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Jul 2009 09:37

Vivek_A wrote:Shrill writes an article on the dozens of muslim women honor killed..

oh..wait..

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=188049

Are Muslims Europe's new Jews?

No love from Madam Shrill for the Weegour wimmens beaten and killed by the Han ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 09:55

What's wrong with Pakistani cricketeers ?

It is simple. After Inzamam's retirement, the team is praying less.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2009 13:12

Home Ministry warns of another terror attack from Pakistan

The Intelligence Bureau, in its alert, warned that at least seven places in Maharashtra—including a reputed bank in Mumbai and an important railway junction in Navi Mumbai—could be attacked. The alert, dated July 8, also contains photographs of the seven ‘targets’.

Home minister P Chidambaram had warned that Pakistan-based terrorists could launch another sea-borne attack despite the bad weather and choppy seas. While the minister did not give details, sources in the central intelligence agencies described the threat as specific and the most serious in two years. A massive coastal patrol was launched following that alert.

The fresh alert, officials said, also mentioned four dates on which the terrorists planned to carry out the strikes. TOI has a list of the dates (one passed last week) and details of the targets.