India-Australia News and Discussion

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Jul 2009 00:29

This guy dont spare any moment to attack India and especially Hindus. i am surprised that he and his family have not moved to their islamic heaven Pakisatan .

Removing the culpable beam in our own eyes
Jhandu Naqvi

marked feudal upbringing of India’s burgeoning middle classes has brought with it a culture of prejudices. The steeper the economic climb, the greater the chances of atavistic social traits tagging along. This is most obvious on college campuses. In a residential school in Ajmer an old feudal rivalry between the Baniya and the Rajput clans could easily take a threatening tone, regardless of the grades a student of either community may have got. Similarly Delhi University harbours in its fold simmering rivalry between Jats and Dalit students, among other feudal streaks.

Caste snobbery is evident among Muslim students too, as any old student of Aligarh Muslim University familiar with the perpetual standoff between the perceptibly diffident Bihari students and the loud and pushy Pathans from the Rohilkhand region of Uttar Pradesh would testify. I am told the Biharis have become more assertive now, as have the Dalits in Delhi.

Add an inbuilt gender bias together with

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 08 Jul 2009 11:34

Sanku wrote:
arnab wrote: As an analogy - are the marathi manoos inherently racist? Or did the Shiv Sena capitalise on the rampant unemployment due to mill closures in the 70s and started targeting south indians? Or why did the 'dot busters' suddenly come into limelight in US during the early eighties?.
Ridiculous comparison, outside of MNS sponsored nonsense, how many "racial" attacks have taken place on regular basis in Maha ? ZERO?

All this is finding reasons to blame the victim to take the focus away from the fact that a very large number of Australians and probably a significant proportion of their total population is racist enough to start target attacks on a particular community when a reason exhibits itself.

A large enough % to render their law enforcement completely ineffectual.

er - why don't you do a little bit of research on the Shiv Sena? more specifically on their concept of Bhumi putr (son of the soil). MNS is a very recent entrant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Sena

Early years of Shiv Sena
The political approach of the Shiv Sena was centred around the concept of bhumiputr (sons of the soil), the idea that Maharashtra inherently belonged to the Marathi community. The Shiv Sena was thus born out of a feeling of resentment about the relative marginilization of the native Marathi people in their own state by people whom they perceived as outsiders.[3]

The Shiv Sena especially attracted a large number of disgruntled and often unemployed Marathi youth, who were attracted by Thackeray's charged anti-migrant oratory. Shiv Sena cadres became involved in various attacks against the South Indian communities, vandalising South Indian restaurants and pressuring employers to hire Marathis

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jul 2009 12:36

arnab wrote:er - why don't you do a little bit of research on the Shiv Sena?

I suggest you start looking up the dictionary with meaning of race and racism and then we may be able to talk about Australian racism. Further more the fact that Shiv Sena do or do not behave as idiots has no bearing what so ever on the extant "racism" in Australia.

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 08 Jul 2009 12:46

Sanku wrote:
arnab wrote:er - why don't you do a little bit of research on the Shiv Sena?
I suggest you start looking up the dictionary with meaning of race and racism and then we may be able to talk about Australian racism. Further more the fact that Shiv Sena do or do not behave as idiots has no bearing what so ever on the extant "racism" in Australia.

Saar then by your hair-splitting reasoning, even the 'MNS sponsored nonsense' ain't racism - so why bring it up? I guess in an alternate world 'Aussie-Rakshaks' would claim that they are better onlee because New south Wales people don't beat up Victorians (like they do in India)

bart · Post by **bart** » 08 Jul 2009 13:36

arnab wrote: Saar then by your hair-splitting reasoning, even the 'MNS sponsored nonsense' ain't racism - so why bring it up? I guess in an alternate world 'Aussie-Rakshaks' would claim that they are better onlee because New south Wales people don't beat up Victorians (like they do in India)

This thread is about Australia, so please focus on that and stop trying to score own goals. Whatever racism, real or imagined, may be on display in India, that does not excuse the Australians in any way or make Indians deserving victims of racist or other abuse. The 'my fly is open but your shirt is torn' logic is very well known on BR and mostly used by Pakis.

Going by that logic we should not complain about the 26/11 terrorist attacks from Pakistan, in fact such attacks are par for the course, since lots of Indians have been killed by their own countrymen (Maoists, Gujarat Riots etc).

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 12 Jul 2009 07:15

Australia plans subsidised travel, stay for Indian students

A small price for ignoring problem since quite long time.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 13 Jul 2009 15:35

The coconut uvacha:

Offensive Indian students to be blamed for attacks

Not much different that what Arnab is saying

mmasand · Post by **mmasand** » 13 Jul 2009 21:34

Gaurav_S wrote:Australia plans subsidised travel, stay for Indian students

Gaurav...ALP has refused to provide concession in Victoria,this was communicated to Universities Australia(UA) & G8 unis in Vic 12 days back.Besides in NSW it is a law not to provide concessions to overseas and postgrads after the SUPRA case outcome at the ADT.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Jul 2009 07:58

After going coyly virginal and crossing their legs tightly over the issue of supplying uranium to India even while dropping their knickers so readily for the PRC, the Australians have only themselves to blame for mortgaging the prospects of their mineral exports to the PRC

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Business alarmed by Chinese Rio arrests

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 14 Jul 2009 14:05

Indian hacks Australian Air Force web site

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 15 Jul 2009 14:06

Oz rules force foreign students to become 'economic slaves'
Jul 15, 2009 at 1257 hrs IST

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 21 Jul 2009 05:31

Australia hints at raising the bar for Indian students

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It is learnt that Australia has conveyed to India that it's planning to take steps to raise the bar for entry of students in educational institutions. New Delhi is already aware of the fact that many Indians do take the student visa route to migrate to Australia as it is considered an easy way.
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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jul 2009 02:55

What is the trade relationship with Australia? What are the products and the quantities? Are there alternates?

rahulm · Post by **rahulm** » 23 Jul 2009 08:34

India imports mainly resources from resource rich Oz including high grade anthracite coal.

Major Australian exports to India (2007-08):

* Gold – A$4,022 million (alternatives SA, USA, Peru, Russia))
* Coal – A$2,709 million (alternates Indonesia, China, SA, Russia - need to check quality)
* Copper ores and concentrates – A$1,005 million (need to find out)
* Crude petroleum – A$177 million (small by value)

Major Australian imports from India (2007-08):

* Rotating electric plant and parts– A$154 million
* Pearls and gems – A$107 million
* Jewellery – A$67 million
* Made-up textile articles – A$53 million

All the above statistics from DFAT.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 25 Jul 2009 04:20

Lobby calls for nuclear submarines

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 25 Jul 2009 04:30

Gerard wrote:Lobby calls for nuclear submarines

can anyone explain the rules regarding nuclear submarines wrt NPT?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 25 Jul 2009 04:36

See
http://cns.miis.edu/npr/pdfs/cmoltz61.pdf
CLOSING THE NPT LOOPHOLE ON EXPORTS OF NAVAL PROPULSION REACTORS
by James Clay Moltz

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 25 Jul 2009 04:38

Gerard wrote:Lobby calls for nuclear submarines

Didn't know that the aussies didn't have good civilian nuclear industry. The article laments the lack of technical expertise in nuclear field.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Jul 2009 12:24

Indian journalist attacked in Australia

A young Indian journalist was threatened and attacked after she went underground to reveal migration and education scams in Australia that try to defraud international students, including those from India.

"The program, to be aired tonight (local time), will reveal several cases where international students, especially those from India, have lost thousands of dollars," the article said.

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 27 Jul 2009 12:32

Sanku wrote:Indian journalist attacked in Australia

A young Indian journalist was threatened and attacked after she went underground to reveal migration and education scams in Australia that try to defraud international students, including those from India.

"The program, to be aired tonight (local time), will reveal several cases where international students, especially those from India, have lost thousands of dollars," the article said.

The 'program' is being aired on ABC. An update:

Title: Update: Holy Cash Cows

Reporter:

Published: 27/07/2009

On the afternoon of the first broadcast (27 July 2009) of Holy Cash Cows, search warrants were executed at the offices of Migration Agent Mr Sanjay Deshwal, in a joint operation conducted by the Australian Federal Police, Department of Immigration and Citizenship and the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Jul 2009 09:53

Telegraphindia.com

Sydney attack on scribe

Sydney, July 27 (PTI): An Indian woman journalist who was working undercover to expose migration and education scams in Australia was threatened and punched by an unidentified person outside her office.

The young woman, a reporter with ABC TV, was stalked near her office over the weekend. Someone came up from behind and hit her hard in broad daylight, a colleague said.

An ABC Network spokesperson said the reporter was “safe and sound”. The official did not reveal the identity of the woman.

The reporter had been threatened during the making of her programme Four Corners, which reports on alleged scams, the channel said.

“She was physically assaulted when someone hit her body quite brutally from behind and her attacker then ran away,” Mark Bannerman, the programme’s executive director, said.

“We immediately reported it to police and they are treating the incident very seriously. As yet, no formal investigation has been launched but they are looking at the matter and taking down all the details,” he said.

The attack comes soon after racially motivated assaults on 22 Indian students in various Australian cities over the past two months.

In an article on its website, ABC said the reporter went to two different migration agents posing as a customer wanting to take an English language test without having the skills, and told them she was willing to buy a fake work certificate.

She was asked to dish out between $3,000 and $5,000.

The report said it was not clear whether the migration agents or the colleges identified in the Four Corners programme were behind the threats or the attack.

Australia’s deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard condemned the assault.

“Any attack like that which has been reported is cowardly and completely abhorrent. An attack seemingly on a journalist working for ABC News going about her work is particularly disturbing,” she said.

A colleague of the Indian journalist said she had been getting “threatening calls” and was “assaulted in broad daylight on the street when nobody was around”.

“She was walking the street and somebody ran up behind her and hit her hard on the back and she was shocked and upset and disturbed,” Wendy Carlisle, an ABC News correspondent, said.

Carlisle said it appeared that the attacker was Indian. The police did not comment on that.

The last attack on an Indian took place about a fortnight ago when three students were assaulted in Sydney and Adelaide. The attacks have continued despite assurances from the Australian government that it would crack down on the attackers and ensure that foreign students were safe.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 29 Jul 2009 00:42

Dodgy colleges for International Students in Australia
The article below appears in this morning's The Age. The writer is Sushi Das, a 'senior writer' with The Age. She is of Indian-Origin from Britain.

Millions trump truth about dodgy schools
THERE’S a private training college for international students in Melbourne whose chief executive is reputed to be illiterate.
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If I can confirm details of the shambolic practices this person is allegedly overseeing, I’ll be blowing the lid on that college too. But if my experience of researching dodgy colleges is anything to go by, I am confident I will be frustrated and stonewalled by all those who don’t want such stories to see the light of day.
I’m talking about the federal Department of Education, which refuses to let staff speak out; the Brumby Government {i.e. the government of the state of Victoria whose capital is Melbourne}, whose spin doctors offered me information in exchange for positive coverage; the state’s education regulator, who won’t answer questions unless they are in writing; the college operators who don’t answer my calls; the teachers who fear losing their jobs if they are identified; and the students who remain silent because they are either complicit in scams or terrified they will be deported for blowing the whistle.
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Some might consider it too politically incorrect to mention, but it’s a glaring reality that a number of dodgy colleges are run by Indian Australians exploiting young Indians.
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Few want the real story on international education to be told

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Aug 2009 23:07

I was watching the movie "Australia "and was quite shocked. Of all the Anglo-Saxon people the Aussies are the most late in getting Enlightenment. And even when the commit a crime take decades to own up and atone for it.

As the Australian outback was being opened up the whites used to have live-in relationship with native women and the State decided to segregate the off-spring from their mothers and people to assimilate them into Aussie soceity. These people wer called the Forgotten people. It was in 1970 that they stopped the policy and in 2008 the Aussie PM apologized for all the broken families. The worst thing was the some of the white fathers would turn in the childrne as vengence on their mates.

My point is Aussies are the lowest on the Enlightenment curve and yet throw more weight than their worth.

SM Krishna should use the students' murders to force open the Aussie society and not be a WKK and let them off.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 01 Aug 2009 23:33

ramana wrote:I was watching the movie "Australia "and was quite shocked. Of all the Anglo-Saxon people the Aussies are the most late in getting Enlightenment. And even when the commit a crime take decades to own up and atone for it.

As the Australian outback was being opened up the whites used to have live-in relationship with native women and the State decided to segregate the off-spring from their mothers and people to assimilate them into Aussie soceity. These people wer called the Forgotten people. It was in 1970 that they stopped the policy and in 2008 the Aussie PM apologized for all the broken families. The worst thing was the some of the white fathers would turn in the childrne as vengence on their mates.

My point is Aussies are the lowest on the Enlightenment curve and yet throw more weight than their worth.

SM Krishna should use the students' murders to force open the Aussie society and not be a WKK and let them off.

Fat chance of that happening, unless he takes Gambhir, Harbhajan and Sreesanth along as his media managers

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 Aug 2009 09:48

ramana wrote:
SM Krishna should use the students' murders to force open the Aussie society and not be a WKK and let them off.

Why do you think the Australian govt is being forced to act and change with these news reports of attacks. Who is behind those embarrassing reports on Australian govt. Somebody wants to change the policy and change the society inside Australia so that it can become global.

rahulm · Post by **rahulm** » 05 Aug 2009 04:15

The correct term is "stolen generation" and was state policy. The people of the Lord (The Church) were also willing participats and did nothing to stop this atrocity. http://reconciliaction.org.au/nsw/educa ... nerations/ has more. The stolen generation episode is better viewed as a component of the Aboriginal genocide which started with the wholesale slaughter of the Aboriginals after Cook landed on Australian shores.

There was a demand from aboriginals and a good section of the public for an apology for the stolen generations and was rejected under the liberal leadership of John Howard. The Liberals are actually conservative. It was also he who very cleverly prevented Australia from becoming a republic.

The apology came through recently when Labor moved into Canberra under the leadership of Kevin Rudd.

Aboriginal welfare and standard of living are appalling and are comparable to so called 3rd world standards. Its a blot on Australia.

Australia punches above its weight due to it being the US's official sheriff in the East carrying out Unkil's instructions. Being the middle east of the west (resource rich) makes it a wealthy nation. It punches way above its weight in sport due to sport being a defining identity for Australians and Australia.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Aug 2009 06:03

when did the Brits atone for their savagery?? Unless I missed it I have never seen any official apology from the Brit King\Queen - in whose name the rape andplunder of the colonies took place?? The way Germany and Japan were forced to atone for their crimes - should be the way the Brits should be forced to.

Only Canada and New Zealand amongst the anglo saxons have any sense of decency. New Zealand had no choice - the Maoris were just too ferocious and the whites needed to make peace.

To be fair to the Aussies - they were moving in the direction of an apology earlier when Keating came to power - Unfortunately the turn to Howard delayed it. Australian Labour has generally been more open to reaching out to other groups,

Since it is down under

Labour = Liberals

Liberals = Conservatives

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Aug 2009 11:15

Foreign Minister S.M.Krishna:

Krishna says Oz will provide adequate security to Indians

8 Aug 2009, 1624 hrs IST, PTI

……………. "We appreciate the fact that they have stepped up police patrolling in the problematic areas and have taken several other measures to deal with the safety issue,"…………..

Economic Times

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 10 Aug 2009 09:41

Man jailed over racist killing of university researcher
Posted by: Adrian Lowe for 3AW.com.au | 29 July, 2009 - 4:33 PM

A Melbourne man who killed a university researcher in a racially motivated gang assault last year has been jailed for 15 years.

John Caratozzolo, 21, of Melton South told his group of friends he wanted to get a mobile phone from an Indian student, because they had better phones.

They then attacked 41-year-old Dr Zhongjun Cao, who they took to be of Indian descent, although he was actually Chinese.

The court heard Caratozzolo and a group of six others set upon Dr Cao as he walked home from his work at Victoria University, Footscray, last January. Dr Cao fell to the ground before a laughing Caratozzolo kicked him in the head with enough force to damage his own foot.

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/blog-with-d ... -e19b.html

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 10 Aug 2009 09:49

if you go to australia, don't hang around drinking bars, sporting events or other such places where a mob of locals gather. you could end up being beaten up pretty severely if you look different.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 10 Aug 2009 18:40

One more and counting

Indian in Aus attacked with baseball bats, beer bottles

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 10 Aug 2009 18:50

Why dont they carry knife ? Atleast it will help them fighting chance and send one of them into coma or long sleep or permenant stamp of Republic of India on their face

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Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 10 Aug 2009 19:14

Has Indian govt. yet issued travel advisory for Australia ?

Had it been the other way around an alert would have been sounded way earlier.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Aug 2009 19:16

Sumeet wrote:Has Indian govt. yet issued travel advisory for Australia ?

Had it been the other way around an alert would have been sounded way earlier.

Let us be thankful the noble aussies have not yet pulled out of the world badminton championship underway in Hyd......Or maybe the deal with SMK is that 'you scratch my back (i.e. issue no advisory) and i'll scratch yours (i.e. have my team play)'.

Or have i spoken too soon, as my info is upto this morning onlee....

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 11 Aug 2009 07:20

Australia is handling India badly

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Aug 2009 07:59

Gerard wrote:Australia is handling India badly

Excerpting....

Layton believes the overall situation is not yet irretrievable, with the incidents involving attacks on Indian students being met with a grain of salt by more sophisticated Indians.

{Yup, that is sophist-cated indeed}

“The refrain I have heard is ‘well, do you see how we Indians treat our people in our own country’?” she says.

{IOW, its OK to have phoreners kick our beepal in the teeth in phoren lands since some of our own have done that at home. Brilliant sophist-cation only.}

The new age water-carriers (aka 'gungadins') are at it in the service of the remnants of empire. Lage raho, lage raho....

Now, however, Indians are confronted by a Mandarin-speaking Australian Prime Minister who appears to be putting an awful lot of eggs in the China basket. One Indian official in Canberra, who did not wish to be named, said Indians are watching the situation over the arrest of Australian mining executive Stern Hu in China with interest.
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“Even so, there is an overarching view that Australia will make concession to China that it would never make to India.”

Weigold says India has every reason to treat Australia with suspicion. “From our reaction to their nuclear program, to selling Mirage jets to Pakistan, now the problem with students, it just goes on and on,” she says.

“It seems to me that India is in a position where we need it more than it needs us, and as long as we stick with the principles of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and don’t sell it uranium, India is probably quite rightly, going to keep us at arms’ length.

{Re the bolded part, how so? I doubt that is yet the case. They would have been less imperious and more serious in their response to racial attcks on yindfians o/w. IMVHO, of course}

“It’s just another example of the parlous state of our current relationship.”

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Aug 2009 06:37

Send more troops 'to remain key US ally'

Australia has been advised to increase its military commitment to Afghanistan as it slips below Washington's horizon in the new priorities of President Barack Obama's Democrat Administration.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 30 Aug 2009 09:36

Slump in Indian student numbers
MARK RUSSELL
August 30, 2009
INDIAN student enrolments at Victoria's universities are expected to plunge by up to 50 per cent next year following a spate of violent attacks in Melbourne.

The shortfall - comprising existing students who plan to abandon their courses here and hundreds more who intended to enrol but are now seeking positions at universities in other countries - will cost the Victorian economy tens of millions of dollars.
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''A lot of Indian parents are now willing to pay $10,000 or more extra to send their children to the UK or the US rather than Australia.

''Australia needs to rebuild its brand in India but … it's going to take years.''

http://www.theage.com.au/national/slump ... -f3cj.html

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 30 Aug 2009 09:44

a_bharat wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/national/slump ... -f3cj.html

AoA!!!

Drevin · Post by **Drevin** » 30 Aug 2009 14:49

Yes, its happening. Better late than never ...... They have to jump continents.